TWG XCIII: Get in the Fucking Bag

[Dudeman]

1. What does it mean for Lillie to be captured two times in a row?  Doesn't capture=wolf in your game's lingo?

I guess in the wording change I omitted some important previous stuff I meant to keep in, sorry, gosh dang it. Lillie cannot die/be wolfed like the other Pokémon and survives when captured. Her Bagging votes get stolen at this time too.

2. Correct me if I'm wrong: say we bag Noc tonight, and he turns out to be Exeggutor.  This then means that Maelstrom would be forced out, and able to be lynched the next day phase?  But then you say the other Pokémon becomes so confused that it cannot be captured.  Doesn't that defeat the purpose of Exeggutor forcing the other Pokemon out, then?

This was a balancing issue davy brought to my attention, in that the wolves can just get lucky and wolf Nebby on the same night that Exeggutor was put in the Bag. With nobody knowing who Exeggutor was, this could lead to an accidental wolf win. He suggested that a Pokémon gain capturing immunity the first time Exeggutor is stuffed in the Bag so that its identity could be revealed without incident. Once the wolves got to a point where they could influence the Bag vote in a significant manner, they could then put Exeggutor in the Bag and potentially force out Nebby at that point.

[Olimar12345]

^That part about Lillie: when you say she cannot be wolf'd like the others, does this mean that she is immune to wolfings all together, or is there a way to wolf her that is different from the norm? Also, when you say her bag votes get stolen, do you mean that they become void that phase (or longer), or that the wolves get them somehow? Please reexplain these two things in great detail because at this point in the game it's rather gamechaning for both teams.

[Dudeman]

If the wolves wolf Lillie: her Bagging votes are taken from her entirely (like any other wolfed Pokémon). The Bag is limited to one space on the next Night phase. She can no longer give Bagging votes during Night phases. She can vote for screenings during the day and communicate like any other live player, and she still gets color updates at the end of each Night phase.

[mikey]

Woah Woah so then we should have Lillie claim right?  I think if Lillie is someone with a decent amount of suspicion that having them claim to knock off another potential wolf is worth it.  Lillie getting captured and losing her bagging votes is no different than another human getting captured if I'm understanding correctly.  I think Lillie should claim, especially if there's some amount of suspicion on her already.

[FireArrow]

I'd wait till at the very least next day phase to do that. We have nothing to gain from that information tonight.

[Dudeman]

TWG XCIII: Get in the Fucking Bag

Game starts on a Day phase. Each Day phase, every player votes for a player to send to Looker for screening. If that player is a bad guy, Looker puts them in the Ultra Wormhole FOREVER (they ded). Otherwise, the player is sent back and nothing happens. At Night, the Bad Guys can try to capture (wolf) one player. At the same time, each player will vote via PM for two players to put in the Bag. Players put in the Bag will not be wolfed at the end of the Night phase, and will be publicly announced at the beginning of the next Day phase. Bagged players also cannot be sent for screening. Wolves start out with 0 Bagging votes, but will gain two votes collectively for each Human they capture. If they capture Lillie, the Bag will only have one open spot on the next Night Phase (this cannot occur two Night Phases in a row; capturing Lillie twice in a row will do nothing). Bagged Pokemon exit the Bag at the start of the next Night phase.

Bad Guys (Wolves):
Wolves know each other.
1. Lusamine: Has memory problems and can't remember who Lillie is. She's a President-type human so her screening votes can count for two, but only if she PM's the host stating so each Day phase.
2. Ya Boi Guzma: Every Night phase, he can get Team Skull to check what Pokémon a player is. They're not that smart, so all they can get is the color.

Pokémon:
3. Exeggutor: Its neck is so long that it takes up an extra spot in the Bag and the other Pokémon is forced out (at random, if the Bag has three spots). The first time this occurs, the other Pokémon becomes so confused that it cannot be captured that phase.
4. Metapod: Metapod's just here to make the game harder.
5. Toucannon: Angry. Very angry. Angery reacts only.
6. Nebby: Pokémon lose if Nebby is captured.
7. Mimikyu: Mimikyu creates a realm of spoopy scary shadows inside the Bag that it hides the other Pokémon in (chosen at random, if the Bag has an extra spot). This lets the Bag keep both spots if Lillie is captured, but spoops the Pokémon so bad that they refuse to go in the Bag for the rest of the game. Unless it's Nebby, 'cause then the game would break.
8. Dugtrio: HEYYEYAAEYAAAEYAEYAA
9. Popplio: The starter nobody wanted. Capturing Popplio causes Lillie to have an extra spot in her Bag the next Night phase.

Lillie:
10. Lillie: Is told who Nebby is. She's a super important character with plot relevance so she's told how many of each color of player are left at the end of each Night phase.

Things that will be announced in the thread:
1. Popplio decided to go back to the "Pending Designs" pile where it belongs. An extra spot opened in the Bag! (Day after Popplio's capture)
2. [player] hid in the Bag's shadows and refuses to GET BACK IN THE FUCKING BAG! (Day after Mimikyu is Bagged)
3. Exeggutor's neck defies explanation! It forced a Pokémon out of the Bag! (Day after Exeggutor is Bagged)

Wolves win when Nebby is captured.
Humans win when both Wolves die.
Nebby wins if it never gets put in the Bag.


Everybody loses if somebody forgets to capitalize the words Bag, Bagging, Bagged, etc.

1. davy
2.NocturneOfShadow
3. Maelstrom
4. BlackDragonSlayer
5. TheZeldaPianist275
6. dajwxp
7. Olimar12345
8. Dude
9. FireArrow
10. E. Gadd Industries


dajwxp and Maelstrom were stuffed in the Bag. They cannot be sent for screening today.
NocturneOfShadow was captured by the bad guys, oh no!

It is now Day 3. Day 3 will end in 48 hours, or approximately 1 PM PST on 1/4/17.

[mikey]

now people can shut up about me not helping

[Olimar12345]

I'm sorry noc :c

[Olimar12345]

Woah Woah so then we should have Lillie claim right?  I think if Lillie is someone with a decent amount of suspicion that having them claim to knock off another potential wolf is worth it.  Lillie getting captured and losing her bagging votes is no different than another human getting captured if I'm understanding correctly.  I think Lillie should claim, especially if there's some amount of suspicion on her already.

I think this plan would be nice to do if we mislynch again today (or if we come close to accidentally lynching Lillie). Thoughts?

[FireArrow]

Noc getting being the wolves choice gives us some insight I think. I think TZP and Olimar respect Daj as a player more, so if he was the wolf he'd probably want to target him. On the other hand, I think E gadd, Dude, and maybe BDS would be more afraid of noc, and therefore would want him wolfed. This isn't really much go on by itself, and there's always the possibility that the wolf team is a mix of the two.

Right now I'm leaning Dude, BDS, and E gadd not so much because of that, but because they're also the only three players thus far that don't seem to be putting much efford forward in actually finding a wolf. Since that's somewhat normal for Dude and he was presenting his suspicions (although, not really pushing for them in the slightest) I'm thinking BDS + E Gadd. Olimar is also pretty up there but he also has a few things that make him look human to me which I can't really say about BDS and E Gadd. I'll make a better a case when I have more time.

[FireArrow]

Dudeman:

Can we stack our Bagging votes? (i.e. I vote for maelstrom twice)
When someone is captured, do the votes they cast that night count?

[Dudeman]

Can we stack our Bagging votes? (i.e. I vote for maelstrom twice)

Sure, but two people have to end up in the Bag. The top two most-voted-for people go in the Bag.

When someone is captured, do the votes she casted that night count?

Yes, 'cause it's just simpler that way.

[Dudeman]

Sure, but two people have to end up in the Bag. The top two most-voted-for people go in the Bag.

ON SECOND THOUGHT: After running through the balancing implications of this, this makes things way too human-sided. No, you cannot double your votes.

[Olimar12345]

^not really, it just means that they can't control both bag spots every night after a certain point.

[FireArrow]

Dang it dudeman