TWG LXXXI: Pokémon X & Y

[Brawler4Ever]

Olimar12345. This time my runner up is Maelstrom??

Where did this come from? 

[Brawler4Ever]

Let me be more clear: Why did you vote for someone without a reason? Why did you vote for Olimar? In terms of this discussion, why did you not vote for Mashi? And why did you wait until the last minute to cast your vote?

That's what I meant by "where did this come from?"

[Maelstrom]

Olimar12345. This time my runner up is Maelstrom??

You do know the phase ended 50 minutes ago, right?

I'd like to hear some reasoning. This literally came out of nowhere.

[SlowPokemon]

Player: Number of votes (People who voted for Player)

Olimar12345: 2 (BlackDragonSlayer, Mashi)
Mashi: 2 (Dudeman, Maelstrom)
Yugi: 1 (Brawler4Ever)

People who abstained from voting: Olimar12345, Dude, Jub3r7, Yugi
(Jub3r7, your vote was after the phase end by about 40 minutes, so it was not counted)

This results in a Knife in the Box situation between Olimar12345 and Mashi.

Day Three is over. Olimar12345 is dead. It is now Night Four. Night Four will end Tuesday, July 14, 2015, at 9:00 PM EST.

Players:
1. BlackDragonSlayer
2. Dudeman
3. Latios212
4. Maelstrom
5. Brawler4Ever
6. NocturneOfShadow
7. Olimar12345
8. FireArrow
9. Bubbles
10. Mashi
11. davy
12. Dude
13. fank009
14. Jub3r7
15. Toby Yugi

[Brawler4Ever]

I feel that it's relevant to note that Olimar did not vote for Mashi, which would have saved himself.

Or it could be that he just forgot to vote, but I highly doubt it.

Until Jub does some explaining, he's my prime target. That was a horrible play.

[Mashi]

Ninjad^lol, I think you wrote that backwards, mashi. We're actually trying to kill wolves, in case you haven't noticed xD

I don't have to "convince" anyone. If I seem like the best option, then so be it. I've got no quote or chat log up my sleeve that'll magically confirm my humanity. I've contributed and done my part for our team.

You're dead now, but in case you're keeping up with the topic; yes, you do.  If you're Human, then the only thing you know absolutely for sure this game is that you're Human, so you should never want to be lynched.  You haven't done your part for your Team if you get mislynched without bothering to defend yourself.  By similar logic, if you're a Wolf, you're responsible to your Wolf Team to do your best to keep yourself alive.  TWG is a Team game, after all.

Doesn't change the fact that you still cast a vote without intention to lynch. And sure, who wouldn't be afraid of being lynched when they take the game seriously? Plus I'm among a larger pool of people who were also inactive.

I probably would have kept my vote on you if you remained inactive and you weren't leading in lynch with only two votes.
But in case you're comparing that to my accusation to Olimar12345, the contexts are different.  When you're placing a vote a few minutes before the Day Phase ends, you're making a vote to lynch.  That's what the vote is for.  It has multiple purposes (and as I repeatedly mentioned, it was meant to pressure you, and it worked), but the fact that Olimar12345 failed to use it as it was supposed to be used was why I was suspicious of him.

Dude. Latios. Maelstrom to an extent. And I did take the vote seriously; that's why I joined that chat session and posted saying there hasn't been much to say.I see it that you switched the vote because it would have been suspicious if you didn't.

And how would it have been suspicious?  I went out of my way to be in the chat and discuss the game despite being busy and having to leave and return to my laptop, decide that I should remove my vote off of you because I felt you were Human, and then figure out a new person to place my vote onto, despite time constraints.  And you find that my putting in that work despite not having to is suspicious?

I posted and showed up actively in the chat, which is what you pressured me to do. What other reason would you have had to keep the vote then? You wanted to hear from me, and you did.

Pressure votes are used when you want to hear more from a Player and use the lynch to make them feel threatened.  If after discussing with you, I had felt you were a Wolf, I would have just left my vote on you.

Could you direct me to that? I looked through the thread but probably missed something.

It was in a chat somewhere.  I thought it was posted, but perhaps it wasn't.  I can't seem to find the discussion in my own logs though.

Sure, it would have been detrimental to the Humans, but it would be detrimental to the wolves if it had formed successfully. I'm gonna point out that two of your first three points were "not an alliance game" and "it kills activity." And the risks you pointed out are risks that exist with any alliance.

I'm getting tired of repeating points about strategy talk.  davy didn't convince me that an alliance wouldn't kill activity or that it would benefit the Humans more than it would benefit the Wolves.  If you want to provide your reasoning, go ahead, but this discussion is too far gone at this point since we can't really create an alliance anymore.  But if you're going to suspect me for being against a strategy that I literally helped SlowPokemon design the game against, then I don't know what to tell you.

I feel that it's relevant to note that Olimar did not vote for Mashi, which would have saved himself.

Or it could be that he just forgot to vote, but I highly doubt it.

Until Jub does some explaining, he's my prime target. That was a horrible play.

If it were any other Player, I would agree with you about Olimar12345.  Except that Olimar12345 voted for himself in TWG LXXII: Agents of Shield for no explained reason.  And he was a Wolf.  And he got lynched.
Granted, the alternative leading wagon in that game was on his Wolf Partner, but it was still a poor Wolf play on his part.


Jub3r7, I would like to hear your explanation for voting for Olimar12345 as well.  I remember you mentioning that you felt I was Human in the chat a few days ago, but that was a while ago.

[Brawler4Ever]

Just got back home. It's 10 pm and I'm tired. I'll be in chat in the morning. Roughly 8 hours from now, probably.

[Brawler4Ever]

If it were any other Player, I would agree with you about Olimar12345.  Except that Olimar12345 voted for himself in TWG LXXII: Agents of Shield for no explained reason.  And he was a Wolf.  And he got lynched.
Granted, the alternative leading wagon in that game was on his Wolf Partner, but it was still a poor Wolf play on his part.

Normally, I would disagree with you on the grounds that Olimar was apparently trying to save his Wolf Partner, the Wolf Seer. However, he did vote for FireArrow (the Wolf Seer in that game) one minute after the Day ended. I'm not sure if that was intentionally after it ended, so as to create confusion, or if he just plain messed up, since FA was pretty much not trusted by the community after that (as far as I can tell). Toby accurately analyzed what happened soon after (even if he didn't know it at the time).

So yeah. I have no idea what goes through Olimar's head.

[Brawler4Ever]

Spoiler

14:32      *** Brawler4Ever joined #TWG
14:32   Dude   lost 6 out of 7 for glory matches
14:32   Brawler4Ever   hey
14:32   Dude   orz
14:32   Dudeman42   B4E! Welcome.
14:33   Brawler4Ever   ty
14:33   Dude   osu
14:33   Brawler4Ever   how are we all doing?
14:33   Dudeman42   Fine, thank you.
14:33   Dude   playing games
14:33   Brawler4Ever   nice. Smash bros?
14:33   Dude   no
14:33   Dude   not anymore
14:33   Brawler4Ever   ah ok
14:33   Dude   gave up on that haha
14:33   Brawler4Ever   i just saw your last comment
14:33   Dudeman42   I'm playing Y Version as we speak.
14:33   Dude   was playing smash earlier
14:34   Brawler4Ever   i dont even know what I'm playing nowadays
14:34   Dude   playing touhoumon now
14:34   Brawler4Ever   too busy with stuff
14:34   Dudeman42   Is it the kind of stuff that's good to be busy with?
14:34   Brawler4Ever   yeah
14:34   Brawler4Ever   original Starcraft
14:34   Brawler4Ever   Warcraft 3
14:35   Dudeman42   Oooo.
14:35   Dudeman42   Fun.
14:35   Brawler4Ever   just random classic games
14:35   Brawler4Ever   getting ready to move out this weekend
14:35   Dudeman42   Wow. Big step.
14:35   Brawler4Ever   ikr? so excited
14:36   Brawler4Ever   what do you guys think about jub's almost ninja vote?
14:36   Dudeman42   It's really odd.
14:36   Dudeman42   Really really really odd.
14:36   Dudeman42   All vote Jub next phase?
14:37   Brawler4Ever   I want to hear his explanation
14:37   Brawler4Ever   but yeah, my vote's on him atm
14:37   Dude   probably good to hear him out first
14:37   Dudeman42   I dunno if we'll get one. He's very sporadic.
14:37   Brawler4Ever   lol
14:37   Dude   ah
14:37   Brawler4Ever   it's almost like he was defending mashi
14:37   Brawler4Ever   potential wolf partners, possibly?
14:37   Dude   hmm
14:37   Brawler4Ever   i had believed mashi to be human, but he might just be really good
14:37   Dudeman42   My suspicions on Mashi aren't gone completely, for the record.
14:37   Brawler4Ever   neither are mine
14:37   Dudeman42   That was a very solid rebuttal he gave me, though.
14:38   Brawler4Ever   very logical
14:38   Brawler4Ever   very efficient
14:38   Dudeman42   He's been around since game one.
14:38   Brawler4Ever   has he?
14:38   Dudeman42   Close to it, I'm sure. Bird and him are the two most experienced players on the board.
14:39   Brawler4Ever   he joined in 2010.
14:39   Brawler4Ever   but yeah, he's very good
14:39   Brawler4Ever   very analytical
14:39   Dude   ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
14:40   Brawler4Ever   ?
14:40   Dude   nothing
14:40   Dude   i keep typing
14:40   Dude   and deleteing
14:40   Brawler4Ever   alrighty then
14:40   Brawler4Ever   lol
14:40   Dude   lol
14:40   Brawler4Ever   i just did the same thing xD
14:41   Brawler4Ever   why do you think that Olimar didn't vote?
14:41   Dudeman42   I guess 'cause he had nothing to prove?
14:41   Dudeman42   Accepting one's death is the ultimate human play.
14:41   Dudeman42   It's a stupid play, but it does wonders.
14:41   Brawler4Ever   mashi tried to downplay it with a similar example of Olimar's
14:41   Brawler4Ever   but it doesn't add up, imo
14:42   Brawler4Ever   that death was to try to save the Wolf Seer, while Olimar was just a wolf
14:42   Brawler4Ever   mashi would have known that, since he was in the game...
14:42   Brawler4Ever   but then again, it was a while ago, and he probably didn't remember all of the details
14:43   Dudeman42   I just noticed that Olimar didn't vote at all.
14:43   Brawler4Ever   he didn't
14:43   Dudeman42   That's really weird.
14:43   Brawler4Ever   he could have saved himself with a mashi vote
14:43   Dude   oh
14:43   Dudeman42   I guess he was human?
14:43   Brawler4Ever   i would be amazed if he turned out to be a wolf
14:43   Brawler4Ever   cause a mislynch? remove a potential blue?
14:44   Brawler4Ever   too good for a wolf to pass up under the circumstances
14:44   Brawler4Ever   and there's no way that Olimar and Mashi were partners
14:44   Dudeman42   Absolutely not.
14:44   Brawler4Ever   therefore, Olimar was human
14:44   Dudeman42   And Mashi's wolf?
14:44   Brawler4Ever   if mashi is a wolf, then jub is definitely a wolf
14:45   Brawler4Ever   but not necessarily the other way around
14:45   Brawler4Ever   I believe that jub knew the consequences of his actions
14:45   Brawler4Ever   a late vote on a heated debate?
14:45   Brawler4Ever   way too wolfish to be ignored
14:45   Dudeman42   Stupid from all angles.
14:46   Brawler4Ever   exactly
14:46   Brawler4Ever   it *could be* that he read a pm too late and posted without looking at the...
14:46   Brawler4Ever   context
14:46   Brawler4Ever   that's the word
14:46   Dudeman42   Hm. Well, that means we've figured out two of the wolves.
14:46   Dudeman42   Who's the third?
14:46   Dudeman42   Noc?
14:46   Brawler4Ever   I'm hoping noc, for pride's sake
14:47   Dudeman42   Same.
14:47   Dudeman42   Lat was an unfortunate casualty, then.
14:47   Brawler4Ever   but I'm not *counting* on it
14:47   Brawler4Ever   i believe that latios was the vigi
14:47   Brawler4Ever   or another blue
14:47   Brawler4Ever   inactive in the game? active everywhere else?
14:47   Brawler4Ever   that tells me that he wanted to stay out of the spotlight
14:47   Brawler4Ever   why? because he had a power
14:48   Dudeman42   It makes sense.
14:48   Brawler4Ever   I'm guessing vigi, but I might be wrong
14:48   Brawler4Ever   it really doesn't matter; all blues are basically useless this game now
14:49   Dudeman42   Did Mashi intentionally design the game to ruin the blues?
14:49   Brawler4Ever   which makes the Wolf Seer and Painter equally useless
14:49   Brawler4Ever   from what he says, he didn't want an alliance
14:49   Brawler4Ever   which means that the blues had to be underpowered
14:49   Brawler4Ever   it's human opinion vs wolf opinion
14:50   Brawler4Ever   that was the setup from the beginning, before Mashi even knew his role
14:50   Dudeman42   Interesting way to build things.
14:50   Brawler4Ever   I like it, lol
14:50   Brawler4Ever   makes normal people stronger
14:51   Dudeman42   Kinda just makes the game slower, imo.
14:51   Brawler4Ever   mashi will have a good argument if we go up against him
14:51   Brawler4Ever   logically, it won't make sense
14:51   Dudeman42   So what do we pin on him?
14:51   Brawler4Ever   but everything feels too convenient
14:51   Dudeman42   Olimar was human, therefore Mashi wolf?
14:51   Dudeman42   How do you mean?
14:51   Dudeman42   Convenient?
14:52   Brawler4Ever   don't know how to say it properly
14:52   Dudeman42   Just word vomit. I'll make sense of it..
14:52   Brawler4Ever   lol ok
14:52   Brawler4Ever   everything that we've brought up against mashi has come up empty
14:52   Brawler4Ever   why would jub's last minute vote be any different?
14:53   Brawler4Ever   why would olimar's "sacrifice" be any different?
14:53   Brawler4Ever   we wold essentially be wolf-mongers, aiming to lynch someone without reason
14:53   Dudeman42   We have this chat log.
14:53   Brawler4Ever   suspicious without reason
14:53   Dudeman42   It's something.
14:53   Brawler4Ever   true
14:54   Brawler4Ever   but, in this chat log is found a conspiracy
14:54   Brawler4Ever   us against mashi
14:54   Brawler4Ever   an informal alliance
14:54   Dudeman42   Goodly pointeth.
14:54   Brawler4Ever   with not evidence other than a gut feeling
14:54   Brawler4Ever   no*
14:54   Dudeman42   Well, the evidence is that Olimar was human (probably) and Mashi was against him.
14:55   Dudeman42   It's not solid unless we prove Olimar was human beyond reasonable doubt.
14:55   Brawler4Ever   i never agreed with mashi's argument against olimar
14:55   Brawler4Ever   it's one thing to say "I think he's a wolf" to actively voting for him (meaning voting for latios)
14:56   Brawler4Ever   where did Olimar say that he didn't want latios lynched?
14:56   Dudeman42   Wait, you lost me. Are you saying Mashi's argument doesn't make sense because Olimar's vote was reasonable?
14:57   Dudeman42   'Cause I agree in that sense.
14:57   Brawler4Ever   i'm saying that there was no argument, in a sense
14:57   Dudeman42   Ah.
14:57   Brawler4Ever   there was no communication between them
14:57   Brawler4Ever   ...
14:57   Brawler4Ever   they weren't being clear with one a nother
14:58   Dudeman42   Before we start taking any action, who's alive still?
14:58   Dudeman42   BDS
14:58   Dudeman42   Maelstrom
14:58   Dudeman42   Ygui
14:58   Dudeman42   *Yugi lol
14:58   Dudeman42   Dude
14:58   Dudeman42   and Jub.
14:59   Dudeman42   Aside from us and Mashi.
14:59   Brawler4Ever   yeah
14:59   Dude   oh
14:59   Dude   yeah
14:59   Dude   i'm here
14:59   Dudeman42   XD
14:59   Dudeman42   hi
14:59   Dude   i'm just busy
14:59   Dude   sry
14:59   Dudeman42   Don't worry about it.
14:59   Brawler4Ever   yeha no problem
15:00   Dude   i'm kinda hungry and i'm by myself for dinner :<
15:00   Dude   so yeah
15:00   Dude   I'm gonna go
15:00   Dude   byeeeee
15:00   Brawler4Ever   cya
15:00   Dudeman42   Nice talking witch'a.
15:00   Dude   for what little it was lol
15:00   Dude   sry again
15:00      *** Dude quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
15:00   Dudeman42   Nah, it's cool.
15:02   Brawler4Ever   just reading through the forum posts...
15:02   Dudeman42   Oh hold up, I found something.
15:02   Dudeman42   Mashi did say that he intentionally designed the game against alliances.
15:02   Dudeman42   So that's confirmed.
15:03   Dudeman42   Doesn't make him a wolf by any means, but at least it clears it up.
15:03   Brawler4Ever   right
15:03   Brawler4Ever   this was designed to not be an "alliance game"
15:03   Brawler4Ever   or so he says, I don't know
15:04   Dudeman42   It was. It makes sense from every angle not to have an alliance. Counterclaims kill the game.
15:04   Brawler4Ever   the game is already dead
15:04   Brawler4Ever   so I don't buy "alliances kill the game" argument
15:04   Brawler4Ever   but its not really relevant
15:05   Dudeman42   Not anymore. Every time I bring it up as an argument against him he shuts it down by saying that the discussion is long over.
15:06   Brawler4Ever   very convenient, like I said before
15:06   Brawler4Ever   when we need an alliance, it's a bad idea
15:06   Brawler4Ever   but when we can't have an alliance, it becomes impossibly
15:06   Brawler4Ever   impossible*
15:07   Brawler4Ever   to be fair, I said the same thing, but it wasn't related to activity
15:07   Brawler4Ever   it was flawed from the beginning, as Mashi pointed out
15:07   Brawler4Ever   we would trade 2 blues for one wolf
15:07   Dudeman42   ...welp, we're nowhere near closer to solving this riddle definitively.
15:08   Dudeman42   Though I'm certain Olimar's death means Mashi's wolf.
15:08   Brawler4Ever   we won't be, until the game is over
15:08   Dudeman42   ^^^^^^
15:08   Brawler4Ever   I'm not so certain
15:08   Brawler4Ever   but Jub is definitely pointing me in that direction
15:08   Dudeman42   Same.
15:10   Brawler4Ever   I'm considering the thought that jub is a wolf, trying to frame Mashi
15:10   Brawler4Ever   but that doesn't make sense
15:10   Brawler4Ever   that's a 1:1 trade, which is helpful to the humans
15:10   Brawler4Ever   so either Jub and Mashi are both wolves, or this event is just a coincidence
15:11   Brawler4Ever   frankly, I'm more in line with them both being wolves
15:11   Dudeman42   I don't believe in coincidence in a game like this.
15:11   Dudeman42   Same.
15:11   Dudeman42   Mashi's more dangerous, though.
15:11   Brawler4Ever   very true
15:11   Brawler4Ever   but the bandwagon is against Jub, currently
15:12   Brawler4Ever   I think?
15:12   Dudeman42   If you count you and Mael as a bandwagon, then yes.
15:12   Brawler4Ever   and you as well
15:12   Brawler4Ever   is that a majority yet? xD
15:16   Brawler4Ever   olimar knew that his suspicion was weak
15:16   Brawler4Ever   but he never said that he "didn't want to lynch" latios
15:16   Dudeman42   Very true.
15:16   Dudeman42   Where did Mashi say that he did?
15:16   Brawler4Ever   I don't know where Mashi got that from
15:16   Brawler4Ever   his initial accusation of olimar
15:16   Brawler4Ever   let me get it...
15:17   Brawler4Ever   http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7230.msg297488#msg297488
15:17   Brawler4Ever   "It might also explain why Latios212 contacted Olimar12345 right at the lynch."-Mashi
15:17   Brawler4Ever   nvm
15:17   Brawler4Ever   was going to ask when that happened, but I just remembered
15:17   Dudeman42   When what happened?
15:17   Brawler4Ever   basically, latios blaming olimar for his death
15:18   Brawler4Ever   in one of the chat logs
15:18   Dudeman42   Ah.
15:18   Brawler4Ever   it was through Skype
15:18   Brawler4Ever   I replied, "Why doesn't he say that here?"
15:19   Brawler4Ever   "Hell, you [Mashi] never did explain why you thought Latios and Maelstrom were such good lynch candidates." -Olimar
15:19   Brawler4Ever   Mashi never did answer this
15:19   Brawler4Ever   I think?
15:20   Dudeman42   Ooo, here's a good post from Olimar on the subject. It clearly says that his vote wasn't for pressure.
15:20   Dudeman42   http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7230.msg297402#msg297402
15:22   Brawler4Ever   very true
15:22   Brawler4Ever   mashi saw that as trying to protect latios as a potential wolf partner
15:22   Brawler4Ever   which makes no sense
15:22   Dudeman42   He said that he didn't feel good about about it, but he did follow through with it.
15:23   Brawler4Ever   because there was not other vote on latios, as he said
15:23   Dudeman42   Latios' lynch wasn't guaranteed until Mashi voted last second for him.
15:24   Brawler4Ever   "23:07   Mashi   I wasn't into the lynch"
15:24   Brawler4Ever   23:07   Mashi   I wasn't into the lynch. 23:07   Mashi   Because the game's inactive. 23:08   Mashi   And you can't find Wolves when the game is inactive. 23:08   Mashi   But I had like 10 minutes left in the Phase. 23:08   Mashi   And I didn't want Dudeman lynched anymore.
15:24   Brawler4Ever   sorry
15:24   Brawler4Ever   that came out weird
15:24   Brawler4Ever   but mashi is basically confessing to the same thing for which he condemned olimar
15:25   Brawler4Ever   not taking the vote seriously
15:25   Brawler4Ever   i.e. not actually wanting to lynch latios
15:25   Dudeman42   Boom.
15:25   Brawler4Ever   source:http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7230.msg297402#msg297402
15:26   Dudeman42   Anything else we need to discuss?
15:26   Brawler4Ever   his defense at 23:09 in the chat log is irrelevant
15:26   Brawler4Ever   as a wolf, why not lynch latios?
15:26   Brawler4Ever   i can post this chat log right now
15:26   Brawler4Ever   and confront mashi in the forum
15:26   Brawler4Ever   sound good?
15:27   Dudeman42   Hold up, I'm not seeing the chat log you're referencing. Did you post the right link?
15:27   Brawler4Ever   yes
15:27   Brawler4Ever   it's my source post
15:27   Brawler4Ever   at 23:07
15:27   Brawler4Ever   source:http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7230.msg297402#msg297402
15:28   Brawler4Ever   i have to go right now
15:28   Brawler4Ever   so I'll post the log and confront him afterwards
15:28   Dudeman42   All right. I can log it if you'd like instead.
15:28   Brawler4Ever   I've got the whole thing
15:28   Dudeman42   lol, okay.
15:29   Brawler4Ever   cya

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Don't have time to explain right now (I'm busy, sorry). This is a chat log between me and dudeman (and Dude, technically). I'm going to vote on Mashi when Day comes. Start at 15:16 for the reasoning.

[Mashi]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

[SlowPokemon]

Night Four is over. BlackDragonSlayer and Dudeman are dead. It is now Day Four. Day Four will end on Thursday, July 16, 2015, at 9:00 PM EST.

Players:
1. BlackDragonSlayer
2. Dudeman
3. Latios212
4. Maelstrom
5. Brawler4Ever
6. NocturneOfShadow
7. Olimar12345
8. FireArrow
9. Bubbles
10. Mashi
11. davy
12. Dude
13. fank009
14. Jub3r7
15. Toby Yugi

[Maelstrom]

Welp. Looks like the vigi's alive and kicking.

[Brawler4Ever]

Doesn't change the facts. My accusation of you resides in 3 reasons:

1) Your accusation of latios was without cause. You had declared that he was on your watchlist, but you never explained why. When asked about it, you changed the subject to my "Flare Gun" and it was never addressed again. Same goes for Maelstrom; your reasoning was never explained. But then you used your comment that they were on your watchlist as an argument against Olimar anyway. Why were they on your watchlist in the first place?

2) Olimar's accusation of latios being of a weak suspicion does not equal it being "without intent," as you put it. He acknowledged that it was a weak suspicion, and that there was not enough proof to lynch latios. But, it was a start (that ended in latios' death). You voted on dudeman for the same reason, and I did the same with Yugi. However, of all of these cases, the only one where anyone was accused was Olimar's with latios. What makes Olimar's accusation so different?

3) You accusation against Olimar resided wholely in your belief that they (Olimar and latios) were wolf partners. This reasoning came from Olimar's uneasiness with latios' death. By your logic, because he didn't want to go through with the lynching outright, he must not have wanted the lynching at all. Therefore, there must be a reason why that is. Your reason was that they must be wolf partners. However, you are also on record saying that you had only voted for latios to get rid of the post on dudeman. And Olimar was on record with his explanation. A last-minute vote is, I believe anyway, to be a dirty move. Olimar was uncomfortable with it because it put latios at an unfair position; he had no real time to defend himself. You also voted for latios, but you claim that you had ample reason to do so. Why was your accusation different than Olimar's?

Also, I apologize. My lastest chat log has the same post 3 times in a row. The second and third one should be this one. At 23:08 is my reference. Dudeman couldn't find it. Apparently I forgot to re-copy the link. My bad.

[Brawler4Ever]

Welp. Looks like the vigi's alive and kicking.

I'm honestly surprised. I was fairly certain that latios was the vigi, because he pretty much fit the bill, imo. Oh well. It is irrelevant in my accusation against Mashi.

[Brawler4Ever]

2) Olimar's accusation of latios being of a weak suspicion does not equal it being "without intent," as you put it.

Forgot the link. Source.