TWG LXXXI: Pokémon X & Y

[Mashi]

Day 1:
I vote for BlackDragonSlayer
NocturneOfShadow votes for Brawler4Ever
Jub3r7 votes for NocturneOfShadow
Dude safeties on himself
Brawler4Ever votes for NocturneOfShadow
Dudeman votes for Brawler4Ever
Olimar12345 votes for Brawler4Ever
FireArrow votes for Latios212
I vote for Dudeman
BlackDragonSlayer votes for FireArrow
Dude votes for Toby/Yugi
davy votes for NocturneOfShadow
Dudeman votes for NocturneOfShadow
maelstrom votes for NocturneOfShadow
Olimar12345 safeties on himself

Day 2:
BlackDragonSlayer votes for Bubbles
Bubbles votes for Dudeman
Jub3r7 votes for Olimar12345
Brawler4Ever safeties on himself
I vote for Dudeman
Latios212 votes for Jub3r7
Dudeman votes for BlackDragonSlayer
I vote for Latios212
Olimar12345 votes for Latios212

[Mashi]

I've been ruminating over it and I take back what I said about Olimar12345 not being suspicious for his Latios212 vote; I realize now why his mannerisms are bothering me.

He votes for Latios212 without the intention to lynch him and becomes suspicious of me because I actually went through with the lynch.  This type of thinking would make some sense if the two of them were Wolf Partners and Olimar12345 was trying to distance himself from Latios212.  It might also explain why Latios212 contacted Olimar12345 right at the lynch.  It would also be a fair explanation towards why Olimar12345 was so awkward in the chat with respect to trying to suspect Latios212 and me at the same time.  It would also explain why he feels the need to grasp for straws in his accusations of me.

Assuming I'm correct, I think a good potential Partner for Olimar12345 and Latios212 might be Yugi or BlackDragonSlayer.  For the time being though, I'll vote Olimar12345.

[Olimar12345]

Your argument works both ways, though. I could have easily changed my vote as well to steer a mislynch if I didn't want Latios to die. : /

[Mashi]

Your argument works both ways, though. I could have easily changed my vote as well to steer a mislynch if I didn't want Latios to die. : /

Unless you were nervous about people associating you with Latios212 if the lynch with to him.  The difference between you and me is that I declared intent on voting for Latios212 or maelstrom, whereas you walked around the issue.  You've already mentioned that the reason you voted him but didn't want him lynched, so it doesn't seem to me that you cared much about who was lynched, so long as Latios212 wasn't the majority lynch.  In the chat, you had weird reservations with suspecting him, mentioning that you didn't want to "incriminate him too quickly" despite the Day Phase ending and the majority lynch vote being on a Player whom I felt was Human and whom you hadn't commented on.  You didn't seem to vote as if you wanted to lynch a Wolf, but simply because you wanted to get a vote out of the way.

Even if Latios212 isn't a Wolf, it doesn't really justify the awkward behavior you've exhibited thus far.  With your abrupt bandwagon vote Day 1 and general aloofness (voting for someone and complaining about their being lynched, your suspicion of me, etc.), I think you being a Wolf is highly potential now.

[Olimar12345]

You are overthinking it. I didn't want to hastily incriminate anyone because I had been inactive, and didn't want to screw us over with an unjust vote. Hell, you never did explain why you thought Latios and Maelstrom were such good lynch candidates.

In the chat!

[Mashi]

Brawler4Ever, why have you been referring to the Piercing as a Flare Gun?

[SlowPokemon]

I think he's referring to how in order to fit the Pokémon X & Y theme, I justified the piercing as Team Flare's prototype of the Ultimate Weapon.

[Maelstrom]

Hell, you never did explain why you thought Latios and Maelstrom were such good lynch candidates.

This is something I'd like to know.

I've read most of the whole mashi vs olimar thing, and I'm not entirely sure what to think.

Both of them voted for Latios, despite knowing that two votes would likely kill them, yet both knew the other was going to vote for Latios.
Mashi claims he didn't want to lynch dudeman anymore, while Olimar claims he didn't want a "boring safety."
Yes, it would have been a 7 way kitb if either one wouldn't have voted for Latios, but both agreed that the suspicion against Latios was weak at best, iirc. Mashi could have done a vote on someone other than dudeman, or vote for no one. Olimar could have done the same (basicly).
What would be so bad about a kitb? If you have no strong suspicions, a shot in the dark can help. If a wolf partner was included in the kitb votes, it would be favorable to shove the lynch onto Latios. Which one is the wolf? Idk.
It is worth mentioning that Olimar was included in the near-kitb vote, while Mashi was not. And that Olimar was also the second one to vote. (But also the first one to announce his intentions)

[Olimar12345]

le Chat log:

Spoiler

14:24      *** Olimar12345 joined #twg
14:24   Olimar12345   So you /are/ here
14:26   Mashi   Yes.
14:26   Mashi   Now that I've gotten your attention!
14:26   Olimar12345   so basically your whole rebutal post to my light suspicion was that you suggested Latios before we looked into him, it would seem
14:26   Mashi   Whom are you suspicious of?
14:26   Olimar12345   You, for one.
14:26   Mashi   Why?
14:27   Olimar12345   (well, tbh you and brawler are the only two actually playing, and I think brawler looks more human than you)
14:27   Mashi   That's not a reason for being suspicious of me.
14:27   Mashi   Why are you suspicious of me over everyone else in the game?
14:30   Olimar12345   I was saying that having a suspicion on a member solely based on activity isn't a suspicion worth having : /
14:30   Olimar12345   Idk, you seem still so flustered that I suspected you
14:30   Olimar12345   you've tripled your posting since then, too
14:31   Olimar12345   (and I didn't even vote on you lol)
14:31   Mashi   I seem flustered for triple posting?
14:31   Mashi   You realise that Brawler4Ever's done that a bunch of times already, correct?
14:31   Olimar12345   all within 15 minutes of eachother : /
14:31   Mashi   Yes.
14:32   Mashi   Tell me how that implies I'm flustered.
14:32   Mashi   I've added new content in each post and kept them distinct from each other.
14:32   Mashi   And I think it was a quadruple post btw lol
14:32   Mashi   First post was a suspicion list, next two were answered questions, fourth was a vote count.
14:32   Olimar12345   (missed the page turn lol)
14:33   Mashi   Oh, and a fifth was a vote on you too, I think.
14:33   Mashi   Further still, why would you even think I have reason to feel flustered?
14:33   Mashi   There's a vote on Yugi and that's all that's happened so far.
14:35   Olimar12345   you appear pretty human to me, but like I said with the history of games I've played with you, I'm just being cautios : /
14:36   Mashi   When I asked you whom you were suspicious of, you responded me.
14:36   Olimar12345   yez
14:36   Mashi   Why do I seem Human to you?
14:39   Mashi   Olimar12345
14:43   Olimar12345   sorry, I'm here
14:43   Olimar12345   subs things in another chat
14:44   Olimar12345   anyway, which question are you asking first?
14:44   Olimar12345   I see seversl
14:44   Olimar12345   several*
14:44   Mashi   All of them, technically, but just answer the last one for now.
14:44   Olimar12345   "Why do I seem Human to you?"
14:45   Olimar12345   (and I said first >.< )
14:45   Mashi   Yes.
14:45   Mashi   What other chat were you doing subs things in?
14:47   Olimar12345   Well, you ALWAYS look human to me. You do a good job of presenting yourself logically and covering tracks, so the more active I got, the more I thought to keep an eye on you, just in case. Then the Latios thing happened and red flags went off and I wanted to see what you'd say if I confronted you/posted about it
14:48   Olimar12345   and it was one of the updated chats in skype.
14:48   Olimar12345   (geeze, one question at a time man xD )
14:48   Mashi   Okay; whom do you want lynched this Phase then?
14:51   Olimar12345   updater chats* I don't know yet. There are still too many inactives... I need to read through the topic again, but I'd like to see more from Jub/dude/bds.
14:51   Mashi   Why not Yugi?
14:52   Olimar12345   but the way you put it, you and I /do/ look like perfect wolf partners xD
14:52   Mashi   Not at all.
14:52   Olimar12345   Idk, he hasn't posted that much, I'll have to go back and reread his posts
14:52   Olimar12345   well not now lol
14:52   Mashi   There would be no point in us chatting with each other so frequently one-on-one if we were Partners.
14:52   Mashi   Yugi has posted maybe 2 or 3 posts.
14:53   Mashi   And Toby (whom he replaced) never posted at all.
14:53   Olimar12345   so frequently? this is the second time
14:53   Mashi   Wrong choice of word then, but my point remains.
14:53   Olimar12345   and I was speaking from an ousider's perspective, not our own
14:54   Olimar12345   ofc WE know we're not wolf partners
14:54   Mashi   An outsider's perspective would be very silly to suspect us both as Wolves.
14:54   Olimar12345   "well not now lol"
14:54   Mashi   Regardless
14:54   Mashi   It's odd that you somehow neglected to name Yugi among the inactives
14:55   Mashi   He even explicitly stated in the thread that he would need to be replaced.
14:55   Olimar12345   haven't gotten there yet...rereading posts
14:57   Olimar12345   hm, I guess yugi just seems really uninteresting atm. And it is hard to base a suspicion on inactivity.
14:58   Mashi   Whom do you want lynched most of the inactives?
14:58   Olimar12345   but yeah, he did need a replacement probably.
14:58   Olimar12345   I wonder if he has an important role or something
14:59   Mashi   Why do you wonder if Yugi has an important Role and not any one of the other inactives?
15:00   Olimar12345   because he asked for a replacement. Maybe he wants the game to be able to continue, idk
15:00   Olimar12345   I ws just wondering
15:00   Olimar12345   the other inactives aren't asking for replacements
15:01   Mashi   The other inactives at least weren't as inactive as him.
15:01   Mashi   I think the fact that he asked for a replacement stems more from being incapable of accessing NSM than anything else.
15:01   Olimar12345   okay, so then why is that suspicious?
15:02   Mashi   It isn't, I just think you two are Partners because you seem to be making excuses not to lynch him.
15:02   Olimar12345   I didn't say I wouldn't lynch him, I just have no reason to suspect him
15:03   Olimar12345   he's made like three posts
15:03   Mashi   You didn't mention him in your original mention of inactives and you seem to also be attempting to steer away from a lynch of him by 'worrying' that he's a Special Role.
15:03   Olimar12345   and it would be an inactive-lynch, which is a weak lynch
15:03   Mashi   An inactive lynch isn't really a weak lynch when the entire game's inactive.
15:03   Olimar12345   like you said, he was MUCH more inactive
15:04   Olimar12345   and I said: "but I'd like to see more from Jub/dude/bds."
15:04   Mashi   Whom do you want lynched?
15:04   Mashi   Just give me a name or names of anyone you're okay with seeing eliminated this Day Phase.
15:05   Olimar12345   these players (with the exception of dude) have been much more active than Yugy/toby, so naturally I would like them to come back.
15:05   Olimar12345   grah too slow at typig >.<
15:06   Olimar12345   \well now yugi doesnt seem to bad, likie you said, he's been so inactive I guess it wouldn't change the game much if he weren't here : /
15:06   Olimar12345   This is hard, I don't have any strong leads
15:06   Mashi   I'm fine with a Yugi lynch.
15:07   Olimar12345   well I guess a yugi lynch would be better than a KITB
15:08   Olimar12345   I would be fine with lynching him, but it would strictly be because of inactivity : /
15:09   Mashi   Do you then disagree with Brawler4Ever point about him?
15:10   Olimar12345   which post?
15:11   Mashi   The post he voted Yugi in.
15:11   Mashi   Regarding his mistake about the Piercing.
15:14   Olimar12345   his mistake seems pretty understandable to me. FA made a mistake, and we didn't lynch him. Who knows, he might have done it just to appear human, but there isn't much to go by other than that : /
15:14   Olimar12345   not to mention, slow did a good job at making this game confusing in the op
15:14   Mashi   Olimar12345, do you know what a Flare Gun is?
15:15   Olimar12345   no
15:15   Mashi   Hmm.
15:15   Mashi   I noticed that Brawler4Ever was referring to the Piercing as a Flare Gun.
15:15   Olimar12345   you guys were mentioning it a bit, thoguh
15:15   Mashi   I didn't make note of it before because I thought it was some flavour name in the first post.
15:15   Mashi   But I can't find the name anywhere.
15:16   Olimar12345   maybe that's what he meant?
15:16   Mashi   Why would he be referring to it as a Flare Gun and not a Piercing?
15:16   Olimar12345   I have no idea
15:16   Olimar12345   is that another twg mechanic or something?
15:16   Mashi   No.
15:17   Olimar12345   well that would have been my guess : /
15:17   Mashi   The Mechanic name is called a "Piercing" or "Strongman Kill."
15:17   Olimar12345   do you know?
15:17   Olimar12345   (ninjad)
15:17   Mashi   I'm wondering if the Wolf PM referred to the Piercing as a Flare Gun.
15:17   Olimar12345   : O
15:18   Olimar12345   has anyone else called it a flare gun?
15:18   Mashi   No.
15:19   Olimar12345   is it called that on any other forum?
15:19   Mashi   My Internet has only two bars.
15:19   Olimar12345   it def. looks like that's what he meand
15:19   Olimar12345   meant*
15:19   Mashi   No, it isn't.
15:20   Mashi   Is NSM being really slow for you too?
15:20   Olimar12345   not particularly.
15:23   Olimar12345   Do you agree with Brawler on a Yugi lynch?
15:26   Mashi   I did when my top suspect was you.
15:26   Mashi   But now I want him to explain the Flare Gun thing.
15:28   Olimar12345   Do you have any other urgent questions for me? Because I have to get going soon : /
15:29   Mashi   No, you can go now, sorry for keeping you.
15:29   Mashi   Good luck with whatever it is you need to attend too though!
15:30   Olimar12345   at this point, I'll either vote yugi or safety, unless this Brawler thing turns into something, or I find a better option not involving inactives xD
15:30   Olimar12345   bye!

[close]

[Mashi]

Thanks, SlowPokemon.  I was figuring that too, but I figured I may as well ask.

maelstrom, I just looked at the Player list and thought you two might make good Partners for people in the thread.  Your plays seems a bit under the radar to me and Latios212 had stated in the thread a couple of times that he was going to be active only to show up with a random vote and then leave.  I was originally thinking of adding Doodle as a potential lynch candidate, but for reasons explained in my suspicion list, I felt he was Human.

Also, a KitB is bad (particularly in our previous Day Phase) because it's more likely to kill a Wolf than a Human.  Wolves are going to be okay with KitBs if none of them are in serious danger.

[Maelstrom]

Also, a KitB is bad (particularly in our previous Day Phase) because it's more likely to kill a Wolf than a Human.  Wolves are going to be okay with KitBs if none of them are in serious danger.

There is something seriously wrong with this statement.

You do have a point. I have been under the radar recently. Latios has been playing pretty sporadically. It kind of makes sense to link the two together. For some reason, I just haven't felt that engaged in this TWG. So far, it's just basically been opinions thrown around by the same few players with little regard to anyone else. I'm not entirely sure I care that much about the outcome of this game anymore.

[BlackDragonSlayer]

Bleh, the game is definitely stalling. The only person who I can think to vote for is Olimar (for his reasoning behind the Latios lynch, which I found to be a bit "rushed" or to establish a dominant lynch so there wasn't a giant KitB, implying at least one of his partners was at risk of being lynched; the lack of cardflips in this game certainly doesn't help my decision).

[Brawler4Ever]

Mashi: you're right. My question on your standing on the alliance makes no sense. I just wanted to know where you stood on the subject, but it didn't come out anywhere near where I wanted to. Also, you had answered my question on the kitb, but I wasn't sure if that reflected a nonvote as well. Thank you!

Flare Gun: it's more fun to write than "Ultimate Weapon." Nobody seemed concerned about it before, so I just kept using it. I can use "the Piercing" if that would be preferred; I've never played a game with this mechanic before.

Just a thought: latios was active elsewhere but not here. What if he did that intentionally? He gets lynched, and then there's no vigi on the next night. I'm considering the possibility that he was the vigi. However, it might just be a coincidence.

[Dudeman]

Just a thought: latios was active elsewhere but not here. What if he did that intentionally?

That was the strategy Olimar and I were leaning on for our suspicions against Latios. And while him being the vigi could be possible, there's just as good a chance that davy or FireArrow were the vigi, as noted previously.

I'm gonna follow through on my suspicions finally and vote Mashi. His argument not to have an alliance stemmed (before the statistcs) from the statement "this isn't an alliance game." Who cares? That's for the specials to decide. He's been very logical apart from that, but I agree with Mael: that sentence about KitB's has something very weird behind it. That and

Again, you should be voting for people you want lynched; if you vote for someone you don't want lynched, you're wasting your vote.

This when he agreed with Bubbles vote the last Day Phase when Bubbles was just pressuring me into talking. Did you want me lynched, Mashi? No. Proof:

I share Bubbles concerns regarding Dudeman, so I'll throw on a vote for pressure.

I rest my case.

[Olimar12345]

I'm still deciding on where to place my vote, but for now here's a current count:

Yugi: 1 (Brawler4Ever)
Olimar12345: 2 (Mashi & BDS)
Mashi: 1 (Dudeman)