TWG LXXXI: Pokémon X & Y

[Olimar12345]

Triple post, here's a log (me & Mashi)

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22:03      *** Olimar12345 joined #TWG
22:06   Olimar12345   yo mashi you there?
22:06   Mashi   Yes, I'm here.
22:06   Olimar12345   k cool. I'm going to go get food and I'll be right back
22:07   Mashi   Roger that!!!
22:09      *** Dude joined #TWG
22:09   Mashi   Doodleeeeeee.
22:09   Dude   I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaack
22:09   Dude   For like 3seconds
22:09   Dude   I should sleep
22:09   Dude   Sry
22:09   Dude   Nifht
22:09      *** Dude quit (Quit: Bye)
22:10   Mashi   lol
22:47   Olimar12345   lol I missed dude
22:47   Olimar12345   finally back, btw
22:48   Olimar12345   you there?
22:52   Mashi   Yes.
22:53   Olimar12345   what are you thinking for this phase?
22:53   Mashi   tbh
22:53   Mashi   I haven't even looked at NSM since days ago lol
22:53   Olimar12345   aw..
22:53   Mashi   I'll put in work in a bit though.
22:54   Mashi   The FFR TWG's over now.
22:54   Mashi   And Day Phase ended today on LLF.
22:54   Mashi   You said in the topic that you think we got a hit
22:54   Mashi   Who do you think was the hit?
22:54   Olimar12345   Bubbles died last nightphase
22:54   Olimar12345   huh?
22:55   Mashi   I mean
22:55   Mashi   You mentioned that you thought a Wolf was killed
22:55   Mashi   So who do you think is the dead Wolf? lol
22:56   Olimar12345   oh, well I'm not sure, but we must have hit one, at least. I'm also still hoping we were right about Latios
22:56   Mashi   We must have?
22:56   Mashi   Well, let's say Latios212 was a Wolf
22:56   Mashi   Who do you think would be good Partners for him?
22:57   Olimar12345   with 7/15 people dead SURELY one was a wolf. odds are in our favor
22:57   Olimar12345   for Latios?
22:57   Mashi   Yes.
22:57   Mashi   And not necessarily in our favour.
22:57   Olimar12345   Probably someone that has been really talkative.
22:58   Olimar12345   idk
22:58   Olimar12345   haven't really thought about it
22:59   Mashi   Hmm.
22:59   Olimar12345   I've been thinking about how you would be a wolf, though.
22:59   Mashi   Well, if you think that I'm a Wolf, it's high unlikely that Latios212 was one.
22:59   Olimar12345   there was that though xD
23:00   Mashi   What have I done that you think is suspicious?
23:00   Mashi   Oh yeah, while on that note
23:00   Mashi   When you, Brawler4Ever, and Dudeman discussed being suspicious of me in the chatlog
23:00   Mashi   One of you should have made a formal post summarising the reasons why you were suspicious of me.
23:01   Mashi   Because I'm like 99% sure I was the only person that actually read the chatlog.
23:01   Olimar12345   wait, which log?
23:01   Olimar12345   and your vote against Latios that ninja's mine was really odd imo
23:02   Mashi   The log Dudeman posted, I think?
23:02   Mashi   The one where I said brb and then disappeared forever lol
23:02   Mashi   What did you find odd about it?
23:03   Olimar12345   i
23:03   Olimar12345   I'm having a hard time finding that log, it must not have been dudeman that posted it...
23:04   Olimar12345   and the vote
23:04   Olimar12345   well,lemme find THAT log
23:04   Mashi   Sorry, Brawler4Ever
23:04   Mashi   http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7230.msg297185#msg297185
23:04   Mashi   That's the log I was referring to.
23:04   Olimar12345   I'm not in that chat
23:04   Olimar12345   I left before that happened
23:05   Mashi   oops
23:05   Mashi   lol
23:05   Mashi   Sorry!
23:05   Olimar12345   My post above that was the last I had there lol
23:06   Mashi   So what did you find odd about my vote?
23:07   Olimar12345   Idk, you didn't seem that into a Latios lynch before I said I was going to vote, and I had just said that I didn't want to condemn someone if I didn't have to
23:07   Olimar12345   (sorry, slow typer xD )
23:07   Olimar12345   typist*
23:07   Mashi   I wasn't into the lynch.
23:07   Mashi   Because the game's inactive.
23:08   Mashi   And you can't find Wolves when the game is inactive.
23:08   Mashi   But I had like 10 minutes left in the Phase.
23:08   Mashi   And I didn't want Dudeman lynched anymore.
23:08   Olimar12345   Idk, you just seemed eager to me.
23:08   Mashi   I seemed eager?
23:08   Mashi   In what way?
23:08   Mashi   I seemed eager to delay my vote until there were 10 minutes remaining in the Phase?
23:09   Olimar12345   I didn't think it was that strong a lynch vote, though it was better than nothing : /
23:09   Olimar12345   eager to change it knowing that I'd change mine to him
23:09   Mashi   Why would it matter who you were voting for?
23:09   Mashi   Let's say I was a Wolf
23:09   Mashi   And you voted for Latios212
23:10   Olimar12345   okay
23:10   Mashi   I can literally choose to kill anyone I want since, discounting my vote, everyone had 1 vote at the time
23:10   Mashi   Which means that if I wanted to save a Wolf Partner or something
23:10   Mashi   I don't even need to do anything.
23:10   Mashi   I can just vote for whomever.
23:10   Mashi   But evidently, that's not what ended up happening.
23:11   Olimar12345   but you couldn't have killed Latios without my vote : /
23:11   Mashi   I did discuss with you suspicions and whom I believed were Human, right?
23:11   Mashi   Why does it matter that Latios212 was killed?
23:11   Olimar12345   uhh... (looks for log..)
23:12   Mashi   Bubbles: 1 (BDS)
23:12   Mashi   Dudeman: 2 (Bubbles & Mashi)
23:12   Mashi   Olimar12345: 1 (Jub3r7)
23:12   Mashi   Brawler4Ever: 1 (Brawler4Ever)
23:12   Mashi   Jub3r7: 1 (Latios)
23:12   Mashi   BDS: 1 (Dudeman)
23:12   Mashi   These were the votes before the vote switch happened.
23:12   Mashi   I switched off of Dudeman because I didn't want him lynched anymore.
23:12   Olimar12345   yeah
23:12   Mashi   And if I were a Wolf and I wanted a mislynch
23:13   Mashi   Assuming Dudeman is Human, I could have kept my vote there
23:13   Mashi   Or I could have switched to literally anyone else
23:13   Mashi   And they would be lynched with a whopping two votes.
23:13   Olimar12345   yeah, but to the actives in the chat it would have looked pretty human to go with the flow
23:14   Olimar12345   and the active ppl's opinions are more important rn : /
23:14   Olimar12345   everything happened too quickly
23:14   Olimar12345   it just didn't seem right.
23:16   Mashi   Yes, generally things are rushed when lynches are decided at the last minute while everyone is inactive.
23:17   Mashi   Olimar12345, tell me this though
23:17   Olimar12345   that's why I don't want to wait again lol
23:17   Mashi   If I were a Wolf, what motive do I have to removing my vote off of Dudeman in an inactive game?
23:18   Olimar12345   It would be a display of activity towards those who saw it.
23:18   Olimar12345   teamwork
23:18   Olimar12345   humanity
23:18   Mashi   Why would I care about that in an inactive game?
23:19   Mashi   And why do you assume that my intentions are those of a Wolf rather than those of a Human?
23:19   Olimar12345   becasue there are less people who can suspect you
23:19   Olimar12345   I don't know
23:22   Olimar12345   I'm not that experienced of a TWG-er, but in the past you've always been the hardest person to read, or the one that surprises me the most.
23:22   Olimar12345   Maybe subconsciously I'm just taking extra precautions...
23:23   Mashi   I guess I can understand that but
23:23   Mashi   If I'm ever lynched, it shouldn't be because people are afraid of me
23:23   Mashi   It should be because someone was clever and deductive enough to figure out that I was a Wolf.
23:23   Mashi   And to add to that
23:24   Mashi   NSM TWG can't operate if the NSMers themselves can't be active
23:24   Mashi   I could work to entice people to be active and get people in here
23:24   Mashi   But if I'm the only factor keeping people into being active on NSM, then NSM TWG isn't really self-sustaining.
23:24   Olimar12345   true.
23:26   Mashi   Will you be here 10 minutes from now?
23:26   Olimar12345   maybe, why?
23:26   Olimar12345   (I.ve had a request to check out an arrangement for someone...)
23:27   Mashi   Because I'm actually distracted and watching an anime with a friend right now lol
23:27   Mashi   And I was planning on posting a suspicion list when we finish in ~10 minutes.
23:27   Olimar12345   i'll hang around then.
23:28   Mashi   Hype!!!

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tl;dr, me suspicious of mashi

[Mashi]

My main concern right now is Yugi. His claim as a human due to his misunderstanding is, in my opinion, very suspicious. Several players have made mistakes, but why does making a mistake show that one is human? It seems to me that Yugi is trying to build a cover in this case more than honestly defend himself.

The logic he's following is that a Wolf wouldn't unintentionally mistaken the Piercing as a second wolfing, since they would generally have a good idea of what their powers are.  I don't think it's necessarily alignment indicative in this case, since Yugi had just joined the game and could have misinterpreted a power as a Wolf, however.  I think his excitement at the start of the Phase he entered might reflect a Human excited to trying to catch Wolves, however.

[Brawler4Ever]

Like I said, it's an incredibly weak reason and I'm open to suggestions.

I'll try to write a longer post concerning my thoughts. It's difficult to read/write/quote on a phone. So my thoughts have been pretty concise.

Also Olimar, I meant inactive in TWG. You're right about latios being active elsewhere, which is incredibly strange. Sorry if my comment came out in the wrong way.

[Brawler4Ever]

Mashi acting like bird ftw

Mashi's log is human points for him

I think NocturneOfShadow's being contributive early on is a good sign and I'm willing to give him a Human lean for it, but it's anomalous behaviour regardless.

I mentioned before that I considered there to be a friendship between mashi and noc. This is the reason for it. In a conversation between me and dudeman, we discussed this behavior. Forgot which one. Sorry. Apparently, it's common in the TWG community.
My retort is that it can be used by wolves to gently lift another. If, for example, we believe that mashi is human and backs noc, then we can believe that noc has a much better chance of being human. When in reality they're both wolves. That's just how I see it, and I'm not sure how stable this reasoning is. To me, it feels wrong. But that may just be my inexperience talking.

[Olimar12345]

More formal post about mashi suspicions:

My mashi suspicions go back to the Latios lynch. As already said, him, dudeman and I were comparing his past playing styles in the chat and came up with some similarities. Being that I had no other suspicions at the time, and that no one else had voted on him, I decided to place my vote on him (attempting to get more into the game, I was trying not to lazily safety-vote again). Since it wasn't that strong of a suspicion to go on (having little evidence), I didn't feel good about incriminating him last second, so I mentioned that I was only glad to vote on him since he had no other votes (all of this seen in the log below).

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19:31   Mashi   I'm thinkinggg
19:31   Mashi   Latios212 and Maelstrom right now
19:31   Mashi   sry brb quickly
19:32   Olimar12345   Latios is pretty active elsewhere, it is kind of odd that he's not participating as much
19:32   Olimar12345   or, at least I expected to see more from him.
19:32   Dudeman42   True. Last game he was human and really active. I'm surprised.
19:33   Dudeman42   He was the most active player next to me.
19:33   Olimar12345   was he?
19:33   Dudeman42   Yeah. He was the miller with a death vigi.
19:34   Olimar12345   has he been a wolf in a past game?
19:34   Dudeman42   Not sure...
19:34   Olimar12345   maybe we can compare his playing styles
19:34   Dudeman42   I'll check.
19:35   Olimar12345   i'm checking too...
19:36   Dudeman42   Ah!
19:36   Dudeman42   TWG 76.
19:36   Olimar12345   yep- wolf painter
19:38   Dudeman42   Ooo, it's looking a bit similar. Short posts making an accusation with little explanation. I'm only a few pages in...
19:38   Olimar12345   13 posts in 18 pafes
19:39   Dudeman42   Lemme look at some of his human games...
19:40   Mashi   Back.
19:40   Mashi   Latios212, Maelstrom, BlackDragonSlayer, Bubbles, Yugi
19:41   Mashi   I think the 2 or 3 of the Wolves are within those 5.
19:41   Olimar12345   Yo mashi, remember anything in particular about Latios' participation in TWG 76?
19:41   Olimar12345   looks lke you were the host
19:41   Mashi   Uhh
19:42   Mashi   What was the title?
19:42   Mashi   nvm
19:42   Mashi   Okay, so
19:42   Mashi   Latios212 was playing his first or second game
19:42   Mashi   And he was Wolf Partners with Bird
19:42   Mashi   And I think he was pretty active, but people became suspicious of him early on in the game.
19:42   Mashi   I think due to a Red seering?
19:43   Mashi   No, he wasn't seered.
19:43   Olimar12345   that's unlucky.
19:43   Mashi   But others were seered and he was suspected through process of elimination and probably the tone of his posts.
19:43   Dudeman42   I'm looking through TWG 78 where he was a human. He's literally posted nothing.
19:43   Dudeman42   In about 10 pages.
19:43   Olimar12345   Well, that seems to be the only game in which he was been a wolf before
19:44   Olimar12345   oh? 10 pages...
19:44   Olimar12345   was he not replaced?
19:44   Dudeman42   Make that 14 pages.
19:44   Dudeman42   Oh wait, he died and I missed it
19:44   Dudeman42   XD
19:44   Dudeman42   my bad
19:45   Olimar12345   it looks like he was wolf'd night 1
19:45   Olimar12345   ninjad
19:45   Mashi   lol
19:45   Dudeman42   Yeah, there it is. Whoops.
19:45   Dudeman42   Gotta go to dinner; might be back?
19:45   Olimar12345   I just checked the postgame lol
19:45   Olimar12345   I'll be here
19:46   Mashi   Dudeman, vote someone you're suspicious of first if you haven't already.
19:46   Olimar12345   oh shit, phase ends in 15 minutes, right?
19:47   Mashi   Yeah.
19:48   Mashi   Oh, Dudeman voted already lol
19:48   Olimar12345   I only have vague latios suspicions, I don't want to incriminate him too quickly...
19:48   Olimar12345   oh wait no one else voted for him
19:49   Olimar12345   I guess that's better than nothing : /

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Dudeman still seemed set with BDS though, but Mashi surprised me when he Ninjad my vote-post with a Latios vote of his own. After he voted, he promptly went AFK before I could confront him about it:

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19:51   Mashi   idk
19:51   Olimar12345   "stops post"
19:51   Olimar12345   what?
19:51   Mashi   Oh
19:51   Mashi   No, vote Latios212 if you want
19:51   Mashi   I'm trying to decide for myself, lol
19:51   Mashi   I don't want Dudeman lynched.
19:52   Mashi   My vote was just to pressure him and I got what I wanted.
19:54   Mashi   Voted.
19:55   Mashi   brb again
19:55   Olimar12345   now my vote looks like I copied you! : O

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He didn't seem to share the suspicion or interest as much as dudeman and I had. He also knew that I was interested in voting on someone that didn't already have a vote. Out of time with no other suspicions, I kind of just let it happen, hoping we were right. Looking back on it, it seems that he might have only switched his vote as a mild-bandwagon, go-with-the-flow-of-the-chat route to take. As he said, as a wolf, he could have voted for anyone since there were enough single votes to control a mislynch. Switching to Latios abruptly and unannounced in the chat just didn't sit well with me...

the more tired I get, the less sense this makes and the less I can think straight about the matter, so I apologize if this makes no sense xD I'll pick this back up in the morning, hopefully.

[Brawler4Ever]

Yeah, I never understood [davy's] reasoning behind being suspicious of Mashi. Something along the lines of davy saying "I am least certain of [Mashi's] humanity," but the subject was soon changed and didn't come up again. I was suspicious of Mashi because of a subtle friendship, per se, with NoS. They repeatedly complimented each other throughout the game. However, other players, like Latios, did the same with other players. So I believe that I was overthinking their "friendship." Possibly. I don't see it as a viable enough reason to pursue Mashi's lynching, that's for sure.

[Brawler4Ever]

Hypothetically speaking, why would a wolf care about who is lynched, as long as it's not another wolf?

If anything, mashi's post feels like a bandwagon. He says he's going through a "process of elimination" and agrees with what was said in the chat log. This happens near the end of Day 2, when latios has very little time to defend himself. This, to me, gives me the appearance of a dirty move. Granted, it was inspired by Olimar and dudeman's conversation. And Olimar also cast a vote for latios, which he says is unrelated to mashi's.

Also note that I have not changed my vote from Yugi. However, I am willing to change my vote before the Day ends. My phone is about to die. Tomorrow morning (6-8 hours from now) I will try to write a post on the problem that I see with mashi's opinion on an alliance. I will be first to say, though, that he had some good points about why an alliance would be a risky endeavor.

[Mashi]

I mentioned before that I considered there to be a friendship between mashi and noc. This is the reason for it. In a conversation between me and dudeman, we discussed this behavior. Forgot which one. Sorry. Apparently, it's common in the TWG community.
My retort is that it can be used by wolves to gently lift another. If, for example, we believe that mashi is human and backs noc, then we can believe that noc has a much better chance of being human. When in reality they're both wolves. That's just how I see it, and I'm not sure how stable this reasoning is. To me, it feels wrong. But that may just be my inexperience talking.

I read the part of the log where you expressed your suspicion of me, I was waiting for you to make a post.  It's good to get your thoughts in the open and generally better to post them in a well thought post than lost in a chatlog.

Wolves saying they think other Wolves are Human is definitely a potential Wolf strategy, but you can't assume that it's always the case; the other three possibilities are Wolves defending Humans, Humans defending Wolves, and Humans defending Humans.  For example, I noted that I believed you were Human a few times in the thread

And since you asked in the chatlog; yes, naming who you think is Human is generally a good strategy.  If you feel like certain Players are Human, you can focus on the Players you're unsure of when you decide to pursue a suspicion and make a lynch. 

If you recall, I urged you to pressure NocturneOfShadow since you were suspicious of him.  When people started suspecting you, I posted stating that I was surprised and believed you were Human yourself.  Do you think I would have done any of that if NocturneOfShadow were my Partner?

More formal post about mashi suspicions:

My mashi suspicions go back to the Latios lynch. As already said, him, dudeman and I were comparing his past playing styles in the chat and came up with some similarities. Being that I had no other suspicions at the time, and that no one else had voted on him, I decided to place my vote on him (attempting to get more into the game, I was trying not to lazily safety-vote again). Since it wasn't that strong of a suspicion to go on (having little evidence), I didn't feel good about incriminating him last second, so I mentioned that I was only glad to vote on him since he had no other votes (all of this seen in the log below).

You realise that the purpose of voting is to vote for the person you want lynched, right?

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19:31   Mashi   I'm thinkinggg
19:31   Mashi   Latios212 and Maelstrom right now
19:31   Mashi   sry brb quickly
19:32   Olimar12345   Latios is pretty active elsewhere, it is kind of odd that he's not participating as much
19:32   Olimar12345   or, at least I expected to see more from him.
19:32   Dudeman42   True. Last game he was human and really active. I'm surprised.
19:33   Dudeman42   He was the most active player next to me.
19:33   Olimar12345   was he?
19:33   Dudeman42   Yeah. He was the miller with a death vigi.
19:34   Olimar12345   has he been a wolf in a past game?
19:34   Dudeman42   Not sure...
19:34   Olimar12345   maybe we can compare his playing styles
19:34   Dudeman42   I'll check.
19:35   Olimar12345   i'm checking too...
19:36   Dudeman42   Ah!
19:36   Dudeman42   TWG 76.
19:36   Olimar12345   yep- wolf painter
19:38   Dudeman42   Ooo, it's looking a bit similar. Short posts making an accusation with little explanation. I'm only a few pages in...
19:38   Olimar12345   13 posts in 18 pafes
19:39   Dudeman42   Lemme look at some of his human games...
19:40   Mashi   Back.
19:40   Mashi   Latios212, Maelstrom, BlackDragonSlayer, Bubbles, Yugi
19:41   Mashi   I think the 2 or 3 of the Wolves are within those 5.
19:41   Olimar12345   Yo mashi, remember anything in particular about Latios' participation in TWG 76?
19:41   Olimar12345   looks lke you were the host
19:41   Mashi   Uhh
19:42   Mashi   What was the title?
19:42   Mashi   nvm
19:42   Mashi   Okay, so
19:42   Mashi   Latios212 was playing his first or second game
19:42   Mashi   And he was Wolf Partners with Bird
19:42   Mashi   And I think he was pretty active, but people became suspicious of him early on in the game.
19:42   Mashi   I think due to a Red seering?
19:43   Mashi   No, he wasn't seered.
19:43   Olimar12345   that's unlucky.
19:43   Mashi   But others were seered and he was suspected through process of elimination and probably the tone of his posts.
19:43   Dudeman42   I'm looking through TWG 78 where he was a human. He's literally posted nothing.
19:43   Dudeman42   In about 10 pages.
19:43   Olimar12345   Well, that seems to be the only game in which he was been a wolf before
19:44   Olimar12345   oh? 10 pages...
19:44   Olimar12345   was he not replaced?
19:44   Dudeman42   Make that 14 pages.
19:44   Dudeman42   Oh wait, he died and I missed it
19:44   Dudeman42   XD
19:44   Dudeman42   my bad
19:45   Olimar12345   it looks like he was wolf'd night 1
19:45   Olimar12345   ninjad
19:45   Mashi   lol
19:45   Dudeman42   Yeah, there it is. Whoops.
19:45   Dudeman42   Gotta go to dinner; might be back?
19:45   Olimar12345   I just checked the postgame lol
19:45   Olimar12345   I'll be here
19:46   Mashi   Dudeman, vote someone you're suspicious of first if you haven't already.
19:46   Olimar12345   oh shit, phase ends in 15 minutes, right?
19:47   Mashi   Yeah.
19:48   Mashi   Oh, Dudeman voted already lol
19:48   Olimar12345   I only have vague latios suspicions, I don't want to incriminate him too quickly...
19:48   Olimar12345   oh wait no one else voted for him
19:49   Olimar12345   I guess that's better than nothing : /

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I was the first person to suggest an alternative lynch and the two names I suggested were Latios212 and maelstrom.  I was already considering voting for Latios212 before you even brought up your own suspicion.

Dudeman still seemed set with BDS though, but Mashi surprised me when he Ninjad my vote-post with a Latios vote of his own. After he voted, he promptly went AFK before I could confront him about it:

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19:51   Mashi   idk
19:51   Olimar12345   "stops post"
19:51   Olimar12345   what?
19:51   Mashi   Oh
19:51   Mashi   No, vote Latios212 if you want
19:51   Mashi   I'm trying to decide for myself, lol
19:51   Mashi   I don't want Dudeman lynched.
19:52   Mashi   My vote was just to pressure him and I got what I wanted.
19:54   Mashi   Voted.
19:55   Mashi   brb again
19:55   Olimar12345   now my vote looks like I copied you! : O

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As I mentioned previously, I had already mentioned maelstrom and Latios212 as the two I was thinking of lynching at the beginning of the chat.  It shouldn't have been surprising to you.

He didn't seem to share the suspicion or interest as much as dudeman and I had.

I was the person in the chat who stated that I wished to take the lynch off of Dudeman.  And considering that the Day Phase was ending promptly and I was preoccupied with something (you'll notice that I brbed multiple times that day), I didn't really have time to comment to you as I would want.

He also knew that I was interested in voting on someone that didn't already have a vote. Out of time with no other suspicions, I kind of just let it happen, hoping we were right. Looking back on it, it seems that he might have only switched his vote as a mild-bandwagon, go-with-the-flow-of-the-chat route to take. As he said, as a wolf, he could have voted for anyone since there were enough single votes to control a mislynch. Switching to Latios abruptly and unannounced in the chat just didn't sit well with me...

Again, you should be voting for people you want lynched; if you vote for someone you don't want lynched, you're wasting your vote.
How was my vote abrupt or unannounced?  Read the log again!  Not only did I state that I was thinking of lynching between Latios212 and maelstrom, but I also made a list of 5 Players I believed at least 2 Wolves were in.

[Yugi]

Just going to say, the forum is refusing to load for me 99% of the time, so I'll need to be replaced, if you don't want inactivity

[Brawler4Ever]

I read the part of the log where you expressed your suspicion of me, I was waiting for you to make a post.  It's good to get your thoughts in the open and generally better to post them in a well thought post than lost in a chatlog.

...

If you recall, I urged you to pressure NocturneOfShadow since you were suspicious of him.  When people started suspecting you, I posted stating that I was surprised and believed you were Human yourself.  Do you think I would have done any of that if NocturneOfShadow were my Partner?

Right. Sorry about that. I've been crazy busy lately and I have had the time to make a "clean" accusation. This is one main reasonwhy you don't have my vote.

Concerning noc, I still believe him to be a wolf. But I might entirely wrong. You, as a potential wolf, wouldn't care if he was lynched. So I'm still open to the idea that i was wrong about noc, although I'm not a particular fan of the idea.

I promised a text wall, but I don't have a text wall. My phone didn't charge and now I'm packing to go home. So sorry about that as well.

[Brawler4Ever]

I had presumed that SlowPokemon made the piercing a one-use active (rather than passive) ability on the Wolves's side, but too late to change it now, so oh well.  If that's the case, then the Guardian actually may as well be used as an alliance head, but it might be too late for that.  Sorry, davy!  That was my fault.

One question, though, mashi: why would a passive flare gun be weaker than an active Flare Gun? With an active Flare Gun (not automatic) the wolves might hit a target that wasn't guarded and waste their ability. But a passive ability would guarantee that they hit their target, even if guarded, with no extra work on their own. I just want to know your thought process on that.

To be fair, I also thought that the Flare Gun was an activated ability, not as passive one. But SP's revelation led me to believe that this was an upgrade to the ability, not a downgrade. So I'm curious about what you meant earlier.

[Brawler4Ever]

Just going to say, the forum is refusing to load for me 99% of the time, so I'll need to be replaced, if you don't want inactivity

I took a leaf out of your book, mashi. I only voted for Yugi to get a conversation going, but it seems to have backfired. Now Yugi is going to potentially die by a majority of one because I don't have any other leads currently. And in light of having no other targets, I believe that claiming human due to a misunderstanding is worthy of death, if the alternative is having nobody else to lynch.

Any help from the community would be appreciated. 

Also, what happens in a tie? Or if nobody is voted on? Is it then random as to whom gets lynched?

[Mashi]

BlackDragonSlayer - I mentioned Day 1 that I didn't like this post, particularly the language expressing that the wolfing was unexpected.

Dudeman - Spoke to him in the chat Day 2; I think he's Human for the two reasons being that he seemed disinterested in self-preservation (Wolves generally care about that most) and because he remained the top lynch candidate with 2 votes for practically the entire Day Phase.  I would have figured his Wolf Partners push another wagon sometime, if he had any.

Maelstrom - His posting asking if fank009 knew there was no vigi comes off as slightly Human to me; it reflects a Human mindset to wonder why the wolfing was made and ask follow-up questions towards the reasoning why he might have.

Brawler4Ever - He's felt Human to me in the chat Day 1.  I think the fact that a wagon developed so quickly on him Day 1 is telling, particularly that he's probably Human.

Olimar12345 - His suspicion of me feels like it's piggybacking on that of Dudeman and Brawler4Ever to me.  Similarly, he quickly bandwagoned a Brawler4Ever vote Day 1 and I didn't like that either.  I'm willing to overlook my suspicion of him, however, because I feel like Latios212 might have been a successful Wolf hit.

Dude - I think he's Human solely because his disinterest seems to stem from laziness in finding Wolves than anything (plus, he willingly got a Phantom), if his message to me at the end of the Day Phase is of any indication.

Jub3r7 - I don't know why I didn't notice before, but, this sounds forced.  That aside, contribute more!!!

Yugi - No opinion of him.  He misinterpreted a Wolf Mechanic, but I can't give him a Human lean for that since he had just entered the game and may not have yet had time to catch up with his Partners.

[Mashi]

One question, though, mashi: why would a passive flare gun be weaker than an active Flare Gun? With an active Flare Gun (not automatic) the wolves might hit a target that wasn't guarded and waste their ability. But a passive ability would guarantee that they hit their target, even if guarded, with no extra work on their own. I just want to know your thought process on that.

I meant exactly what you do.  I'm not sure where you get the impression that I implied a passive was weaker than an active, but in my post stating that I thought the ability was one-use active, it basically made the Guardian useless (it would be too difficult, or cumbersome rather, for me to calculate, but I think the chances of two successful guards in one game is about 0.5%, if not even less than) and effectively a Herring.

[Mashi]

Also, what happens in a tie? Or if nobody is voted on? Is it then random as to whom gets lynched?

Oh, oops, I thought I answered this.

If nobody's voted, it's a KitB between all Players in the game.

If there's a tie for most votes, it's a random lynch among those tied.