TWG LXXXI: Pokémon X & Y

[Brawler4Ever]

I'd say that my not knowing of the strongarm mechanic points to my favour.

Not really. You're one of several people that have gotten the rules mixed up (no offense, SP). For all the humans know, a wolf could feign ignorance of a rule, while simultaneously exploiting the belief of this ignorance to their advantage. Using this ignorance as a defense is shaky ground, at best, imo.

[Brawler4Ever]

In addition to that, he mistakenly believes that Wolves had a seering Night 1 and I'm doubting he did so intentionally.

That includes this, as well.

[Dudeman]

ohaidere

I understand the suspicion on me; I just really haven't had a lot to say. B4E has been doing most of the talking and after going over things most of my opinions line up with his. There's just not a lot to go off of currently. Noc's gone, davy's gone, and FA's gone. Really the only things I'm riding on are BDS's suspicious post the beginning of Day 1 and Mashi's continual discouragement of an alliance. Yes, an alliance would be useless, but the way he was so adamant about it shot up my suspicions. Other than that, sorry guys, nothing to contribute. It's kinda hard to play along when I'm standing among veterans tossing around statistics :/ (no offense, it's actually really impressive)

So I'm gonna go out on a limb and vote BDS. Also that post against Brawler because the whole "power=activity" thing was a mistake and I should've thought it through more.

ninja'd 2x

[BlackDragonSlayer]

I'd like to hear more from Dudeman. He hasn't contributed much of anything from what I've seen, even though he made that wall of text last day phase. It wasn't much of a look at his feelings as it was a recap of everything that's happened; basically just a list of facts. Earlier to that post he suggested lynching brawler for possibly being a special, which raised my suspicions on him. Sure it could've been a rookie mistake, but I can't just ignore that. I said last phase that I was going to give him a little more time but with this quiet spell I've lost my patience lol
Summary: he's been fairly quiet and that's a strategy for a newbie wolf

Hmmm, true- it seems like he disappeared once the spotlight was off of him... though, to be fair, there are quite a few people who also haven't posted. This day phase has been somewhat unproductive; nobody really stands out at the point (I think that's why nobody is posting, which only helps to fuel the vicious cycle), because a lot of the focus last phase was on Nocturne/Brawler.

Ninja'd. DERE HE IS.

I can't remember the last time I was targeted, this is kinda exciting I'm not much of a player for analyzing myself, but I'd love to hear why you think I'm a human or a wolf and I'll answer accordingly.

The reason I voted for you at first was because I don't really get any particular sentiment one way or the other; to me, the combination of your actions through the game so far are "null," I'd say...

[Olimar12345]

So here's the current vote count:

Bubbles: 1 (BDS)
Dudeman: 2 (Bubbles & Mashi)
Olimar12345: 1 (Jub3r7)
Brawler4Ever: 1 (Brawler4Ever)
Jub3r7: 1 (Latios)
BDS: 1 (Dudeman)

[Mashi]

Switching to Latios212.  The people I've spoken to so far feel Human to me, so it's mostly a process of elimination vote for me.  Dudeman's seemed fairly Human to me in the chat and Olimar12345 as well (to a lesser extent).

[Olimar12345]

Edit: Ninja'd

Latios, for reasons seen in this chat

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18:39      *** Olimar12345 joined #TWG
18:39   Olimar12345   hi mashi
18:57      *** Brawler4Ever joined #TWG
18:57   Brawler4Ever   hey
18:58   Olimar12345   HOLY SHIT
18:58   Olimar12345   SOMEONE IS TALKING
18:59   Olimar12345   mashi is dead I think : /
18:59   Brawler4Ever   very true
18:59   Brawler4Ever   he's been like that since last night
18:59   Brawler4Ever   I think?
18:59   Olimar12345   This introduction sounds familiar...
18:59   Brawler4Ever   ikr?
18:59   Olimar12345   lol
19:00   Brawler4Ever   i dont have much time
19:00   Brawler4Ever   packing and stuff
19:00   Olimar12345   do you not have a lynch vote either?
19:00   Brawler4Ever   im voting for myself
19:00   Brawler4Ever   right now the bandwagon is against dudeman
19:00   Olimar12345   safety then, huh?
19:00   Brawler4Ever   I don't blame them, but I don't agree with them enough to join them
19:00   Olimar12345   how noble of you lol
19:01   Olimar12345   I don't want to bandwagon, but I also don
19:01   Olimar12345   t want to safety
19:01   Brawler4Ever   what's wrong with safety-ing?
19:01   Brawler4Ever   other than the appearance
19:02   Olimar12345   nothing's wrong with it, but it doesn't move the game forward.
19:02   Olimar12345   the game seems to be very sill, you know?
19:02   Brawler4Ever   soooo many rules
19:02   Olimar12345   maybe "still" isn't the best word...
19:02   Brawler4Ever   did you mean silly or still?
19:02   Olimar12345   yeah, it is a bit of a complex game...
19:03   Olimar12345   still* sry
19:03   Brawler4Ever   which is good
19:03   Brawler4Ever   lol
19:03   Brawler4Ever   I like complex
19:03   Olimar12345   I'm not that good at these overly complex ones. I think I rely too much on cardflips d:
19:03   Brawler4Ever   i've never played a cardflip TWG game
19:04   Brawler4Ever   nvm
19:04   Brawler4Ever   i did, once
19:04   Brawler4Ever   i can see dudeman being a wolf
19:04   Brawler4Ever   from his initial post against me, following NoS
19:05   Brawler4Ever   it might have just been another complex rule thing though
19:05   Brawler4Ever   or it might not
19:05   Brawler4Ever   i have to go
19:05   Brawler4Ever   i might check in one more time after dinner
19:06   Olimar12345   okay, I'll try to be here.
19:06   Brawler4Ever   but then I'll be out of chat for several days
19:06   Brawler4Ever   cya
19:06   Olimar12345   there goes the game lol
19:06   Olimar12345   bye!
19:06   Brawler4Ever   lol
19:06      *** Brawler4Ever quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
19:13      *** Dudeman42 joined #TWG
19:13   Dudeman42   Hello?
19:14   Olimar12345   OMG SOMEONE CAME
19:14   Olimar12345   You just missed Brawler
19:14   Dudeman42   Crud.
19:14   Dudeman42   I like that guy.
19:14   Olimar12345   but he wasn't here that long
19:14   Olimar12345   same lol
19:14   Dudeman42   Also I have massive suspicion on my head, so I thought I'd show up.
19:15   Olimar12345   and it looks like ppl are bandwagon-ing you
19:15   Dudeman42   That's what I thought.
19:16   Olimar12345   thought what?
19:16   Dudeman42   Just the bandwagon-ing thing. I really haven't done much other than make an incredibly flawed post for distrusting Brawler.
19:17   Olimar12345   yeah, I don't get it either. Though checking the thread, it looks like only mashi and Bubbles are voting for you
19:17   Olimar12345   (granted, I think thats the most agreement in a lynch we've come to so far...)
19:17   Dudeman42   Yeah. I do have some suspicion on Mashi anyway, not related to his votes on me.
19:18   Olimar12345   oh yeah?
19:19   Dudeman42   It's his repeated shooting down of the alliance. I understand that it would just end up killing all the specials, but the way he immediately said it shouldn't happen on the grounds that "this isn't an alliance game" and even went so far as to calculate chances of survival is weird.
19:19   Mashi   hello
19:19   Dudeman42   Unless that's how Mashi normally plays, idk
19:20   Dudeman42   ohaidere
19:20   Mashi   I helped SlowPokemon design the setup.
19:20   Mashi   Though, he apparently made a bunch of changes.
19:20   Olimar12345   Oh sure, chow up when you're being suspected, but when I offer a kid greeting...
19:21   Olimar12345   show*
19:21   Olimar12345   kind*
19:21   Mashi   sry i just came back
19:21   Olimar12345   (damn I should proofread these...)
19:21   Mashi   Dudeman, you claimed being suspicious of me before alliance discussion began, no?
19:22   Dudeman42   No.
19:22   Dudeman42   Least, I don't believe so.
19:22   Dudeman42   I hardly posted.
19:23   Mashi   http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=7230.msg296669#msg296669
19:23   Dudeman42   Yeah, no, I just checked.
19:23   Mashi   At the end of this post.
19:23   Dudeman42   This came after the alliance discussion.
19:23   Mashi   Okay, which is after.
19:23   Mashi   Why didn't you just say that was why you suspected me in the same post?
19:23   Dudeman42   I was tired
19:24   Dudeman42   I feel that whenever I vote someone I should voice my opinions on someone else later.
19:24   Dudeman42   I guess that's a dumb tactic?
19:24   Mashi   It's not necessarily dumb
19:24   Mashi   But it's generally better to voice all your opinions.
19:25   Dudeman42   Ah. I'll keep that in mind.
19:26   Mashi   Is there anyone you feel is Human, Dudeman?
19:26   Mashi   Olimar12345, you too!
19:26   Dudeman42   Bubbles, I guess.
19:26   Dudeman42   Nothing sticks out to me as wolfy about his behavior.
19:27   Olimar12345   Brawler seems pretty human to me
19:27   Dudeman42   Same.
19:27   Mashi   I don't like any of the votes so far.
19:27   Mashi   Except for feeling beutral on Olimar12345.
19:27   Mashi   neutral*
19:27   Olimar12345   but until now he's the only person I have really chatted with so : /
19:27   Dudeman42   Half hour till the phase ends.
19:28   Mashi   I'm doubting Dudeman is a Wolf.
19:28   Dudeman42   Aw, thank you. I'm touched.
19:28   Mashi   Wolves, assuming they want to win, would have pushed any other wagon if he were one.
19:29   Olimar12345   "Except for feeling beutral on Olimar12345." I guess that's fair, I've been pretty silent this game : /
19:29   Olimar12345   Though, I've never played a game like this before, so I feel kind of alienated.. idk
19:31   Mashi   I'm thinkinggg
19:31   Mashi   Latios212 and Maelstrom right now
19:31   Mashi   sry brb quickly
19:32   Olimar12345   Latios is pretty active elsewhere, it is kind of odd that he's not participating as much
19:32   Olimar12345   or, at least I expected to see more from him.
19:32   Dudeman42   True. Last game he was human and really active. I'm surprised.
19:33   Dudeman42   He was the most active player next to me.
19:33   Olimar12345   was he?
19:33   Dudeman42   Yeah. He was the miller with a death vigi.
19:34   Olimar12345   has he been a wolf in a past game?
19:34   Dudeman42   Not sure...
19:34   Olimar12345   maybe we can compare his playing styles
19:34   Dudeman42   I'll check.
19:35   Olimar12345   i'm checking too...
19:36   Dudeman42   Ah!
19:36   Dudeman42   TWG 76.
19:36   Olimar12345   yep- wolf painter
19:38   Dudeman42   Ooo, it's looking a bit similar. Short posts making an accusation with little explanation. I'm only a few pages in...
19:38   Olimar12345   13 posts in 18 pafes
19:39   Dudeman42   Lemme look at some of his human games...
19:40   Mashi   Back.
19:40   Mashi   Latios212, Maelstrom, BlackDragonSlayer, Bubbles, Yugi
19:41   Mashi   I think the 2 or 3 of the Wolves are within those 5.
19:41   Olimar12345   Yo mashi, remember anything in particular about Latios' participation in TWG 76?
19:41   Olimar12345   looks lke you were the host
19:41   Mashi   Uhh
19:42   Mashi   What was the title?
19:42   Mashi   nvm
19:42   Mashi   Okay, so
19:42   Mashi   Latios212 was playing his first or second game
19:42   Mashi   And he was Wolf Partners with Bird
19:42   Mashi   And I think he was pretty active, but people became suspicious of him early on in the game.
19:42   Mashi   I think due to a Red seering?
19:43   Mashi   No, he wasn't seered.
19:43   Olimar12345   that's unlucky.
19:43   Mashi   But others were seered and he was suspected through process of elimination and probably the tone of his posts.
19:43   Dudeman42   I'm looking through TWG 78 where he was a human. He's literally posted nothing.
19:43   Dudeman42   In about 10 pages.
19:43   Olimar12345   Well, that seems to be the only game in which he was been a wolf before
19:44   Olimar12345   oh? 10 pages...
19:44   Olimar12345   was he not replaced?
19:44   Dudeman42   Make that 14 pages.
19:44   Dudeman42   Oh wait, he died and I missed it
19:44   Dudeman42   XD
19:44   Dudeman42   my bad
19:45   Olimar12345   it looks like he was wolf'd night 1
19:45   Olimar12345   ninjad
19:45   Mashi   lol
19:45   Dudeman42   Yeah, there it is. Whoops.
19:45   Dudeman42   Gotta go to dinner; might be back?
19:45   Olimar12345   I just checked the postgame lol
19:45   Olimar12345   I'll be here
19:46   Mashi   Dudeman, vote someone you're suspicious of first if you haven't already.
19:46   Olimar12345   oh shit, phase ends in 15 minutes, right?
19:47   Mashi   Yeah.
19:48   Mashi   Oh, Dudeman voted already lol
19:48   Olimar12345   I only have vague latios suspicions, I don't want to incriminate him too quickly...
19:48   Olimar12345   oh wait no one else voted for him
19:49   Olimar12345   I guess that's better than nothing : /

[close]

tl;dr: weak suspicions based on similar post-styles in TWG 76, his only game thus far as a wolf.

[Latios212]

I do have a life outside of TWG, and although I'm online a lot it's often me checking in for a few minutes say, during work or on my phone during my commute.

Also I apologize for most of my activity being in the chat and idk what happened to the transcripts.

I was also a wolf in the two games prior to that, don't forget.

I also realize there's like a few seconds left before phase end so if I survive I'll explain a little

[Latios212]

...or I could be dead x.x

[BlackDragonSlayer]

Hmm. That was interesting.

[Olimar12345]

Last half of the chat, had to go:

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19:49   Olimar12345   I guess that's better than nothing : /
19:51   Mashi   idk
19:51   Olimar12345   "stops post"
19:51   Olimar12345   what?
19:51   Mashi   Oh
19:51   Mashi   No, vote Latios212 if you want
19:51   Mashi   I'm trying to decide for myself, lol
19:51   Mashi   I don't want Dudeman lynched.
19:52   Mashi   My vote was just to pressure him and I got what I wanted.
19:54   Mashi   Voted.
19:55   Mashi   brb again
19:55   Olimar12345   now my vote looks like I copied you! : O
19:55   Olimar12345   k
19:58      *** Brawler4Ever joined #TWG
19:58   Brawler4Ever   hey
19:58   Olimar12345   OMG SOMEONE IS HERE
19:58   Brawler4Ever   OMG PEOPLE
19:58   Olimar12345   lol jk
19:58   Brawler4Ever   nailed it
19:58   Olimar12345   ppl are actually chatting!
19:58   Brawler4Ever   i like your last chat
19:58   Olimar12345   Dudeman/mashi stepped out for a bit
19:58   Brawler4Ever   very interesting stuff
19:59   Olimar12345   oh yeah?
19:59   Olimar12345   Latios /is/ online rn...
19:59   Olimar12345   (at least in skype...)
19:59   Brawler4Ever   he just doesn't care about the game?
19:59   Brawler4Ever   or...... (Suspiciously speaking)
19:59   Olimar12345   who knoes
20:00   Brawler4Ever   he does all of his talking through wolf pm's!!!
20:00   Brawler4Ever   dun dun DUUUUUUNNNN
20:00   Olimar12345   
20:00   Olimar12345   ew that smiley
20:00   Brawler4Ever   lol
20:00   Brawler4Ever   19:44   Dudeman42   Oh wait, he died and I missed it
20:00   Brawler4Ever   loved that xD
20:00   Brawler4Ever   no offense, dudeman
20:00   Olimar12345   lol that was funny
20:01   Brawler4Ever   20 pages is a great deal to go through
20:01   Brawler4Ever   I would have probably done the same thing
20:01   Brawler4Ever   but still
20:01   Olimar12345   lol I went straight to the postgame xD
20:01   Brawler4Ever   latios going from perfectly safe to #1 target
20:02   Brawler4Ever   i have seen him in chat, once
20:02   Brawler4Ever   i think?
20:02   Olimar12345   lol his last post
20:02   Brawler4Ever   it might have been FireArrow.
20:02   Brawler4Ever   yeah
20:02   Olimar12345   and two games?
20:03   Olimar12345   'I only saw that one...
20:03   Brawler4Ever   doesn't Day end in an hour?
20:03   Brawler4Ever   nvm
20:03   Olimar12345   I think it just ended
20:03   Brawler4Ever   it should be done now
20:04   Brawler4Ever    I wonder if SP will announce that dudeman is dead, not seeing the update xD
20:07   Dudeman42   No offense taken, Brawler.
20:07   Brawler4Ever   lol
20:07   Olimar12345   lol Latios just Skyped me " Thanks Olimar, now I'm dead [8:05:35 PM]"
20:07   Brawler4Ever   you have to admit though, it would be pretty funny
20:07   Olimar12345   was like, I was in chat for an hour and a half....
20:07   Brawler4Ever   why doesn't he say that here?
20:08   Olimar12345   IK
20:08   Brawler4Ever   he's been in this chat
20:08   Brawler4Ever   he even said so
20:09   Brawler4Ever   to be fair, this has been a week day
20:09   Brawler4Ever   latios possibly dies at a majority of two
20:09   Olimar12345   ^yeah
20:09   Brawler4Ever   weak*
20:09   Brawler4Ever   and a week day
20:09   Brawler4Ever   both correct
20:10   Dudeman42   I'm so proud of you, Brawler.
20:10   Brawler4Ever   i m 2
20:10   Dudeman42   so r u
20:14   Olimar12345   I think I'm going to go practice the horn before it gets to late to do that. bbl tonigh maybe
20:14   Brawler4Ever   ok
20:15   Mashi   bak
20:15   Dudeman42   ohaidere
20:15   Brawler4Ever   hey

[close]

[Maelstrom]

And I played EarthBound through the end of the phase -_-
I'll post my thoughts a little bit later on the whole latios thing. (not that it will change anything)

[Brawler4Ever]

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18:16      *** Olimar12345 quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
18:18   Mashi   Ugh, sorry, need to brb AGAIN
18:18   Dudeman42   Have fun.
18:19   Dudeman42   So...how's life, Brawler?
18:19   Brawler4Ever   good
18:19   Brawler4Ever   going to Cali to visit my sister
18:19   Brawler4Ever   fun times
18:19   Dudeman42   Awesome.
18:20   Brawler4Ever   yours?
18:20   Dudeman42   Just fine. Rather uneventful.
18:20   Brawler4Ever   the best kind of life, imo
18:20   Dudeman42   I did buy a 3DSXL off of a friend yesterday, though.
18:20   Brawler4Ever   oh nice
18:20   Brawler4Ever   any good games?
18:21   Dudeman42   I went out and got Pokemon Y.
18:21   Dudeman42   He didn't include any.
18:21   Brawler4Ever   sweet
18:21   Brawler4Ever   i haven't played a Pokemon game since Sapphire
18:21   Dudeman42   Sapphire is my bae
18:21   Brawler4Ever   and even then, I didn't finish it
18:21   Dudeman42   Sorry, what?
18:21   Brawler4Ever   ?
18:22   Dudeman42   Oh nothing.
18:22   Dudeman42   Nothing at all.
18:22   Brawler4Ever   alrighty then
18:22   Brawler4Ever   i agree with olimar
18:22   Dudeman42   
18:22   Dudeman42   About...?
18:22   Brawler4Ever   those smileys....are evil
18:22   Brawler4Ever   he just doesn't like them
18:22   Brawler4Ever   I think they're evil
18:23   Dudeman42   They stare into your soul.
18:23   Brawler4Ever   and then eat it
18:23   Dudeman42   And then steal your credit card information.
18:23   Brawler4Ever   and then eat that too
18:23   Dudeman42   XDDD
18:24   Brawler4Ever   i don't agree with latios' lynching
18:24   Brawler4Ever   i understand it, but I don't agree with it
18:24   Dudeman42   Who else is there? BDS, I guess.
18:24   Brawler4Ever   kind of like yours, if I may be so crude
18:25   Dudeman42   And I suspected Mashi, but after this chat I'm not so sure anymore.
18:25   Brawler4Ever   i still suspect mashi
18:25   Brawler4Ever   but there's not enough to go on
18:25   Dudeman42   He's still on my list, just maybe not as high.
18:25   Brawler4Ever   same
18:25   Dudeman42   Also can we just lynch Dude and be done with it
18:25   Dudeman42   he's done nothing
18:25   Brawler4Ever   LOL
18:25   Brawler4Ever   he's done less than latios, I think?
18:25   Dudeman42   Hey, what if he's a wolf?
18:26   Brawler4Ever   I'm not going to change my vote or anything
18:26   Dudeman42   It's too late to do that anyway.
18:26   Brawler4Ever   what happens in a tie? do you know?
18:26   Brawler4Ever   is it random between the two?
18:27   Dudeman42   Yes. It's called a Knife in the Box, or KitB for short.
18:27   Brawler4Ever   i don't know if SP would allow a vote now, anyway
18:27   Brawler4Ever   ok ty
18:27   Dudeman42   I wouldn't count on it.
18:27   Dudeman42   Who'd you vote for again?
18:27   Brawler4Ever   me
18:27   Brawler4Ever   safety
18:27   Dudeman42   oh yeah XD
18:27   Brawler4Ever   sorry about last night, btw
18:27   Brawler4Ever   I had to leave right when we were getting to the juicy stuff
18:28   Brawler4Ever   or was it two nights ago?
18:28   Dudeman42   Oh yeah. No worries. Life happens.
18:28   Dudeman42   Doesn't matter anymore...
18:28   Brawler4Ever   true
18:28   Brawler4Ever   you suspected mashi because he didn't want an alliance?
18:28   Brawler4Ever   correct?
18:29   Dudeman42   Yeah.
18:29   Dudeman42   And it was the way that he didn't want it.
18:29   Brawler4Ever   "this is not an alliance game."
18:29   Brawler4Ever   never felt right to me
18:29   Dudeman42   Same here.
18:29   Brawler4Ever   is it common for players to give each other Human leans?
18:30   Brawler4Ever   I've noticed Mashi do it a great deal
18:30   Dudeman42   How do you mean?
18:30   Brawler4Ever   "he said this, so I think that he's human"
18:30   Brawler4Ever   "Very Human post; it's analytical and reflects that Brawler4Ever is thinking about something he finds confusing.  In addition to that, he mistakenly believes that Wolves had a seering Night 1 and I'm doubting he did so intentionally." - Mashi
18:31   Brawler4Ever   other such things, not related to this specific post, as well
18:31   Brawler4Ever   i'm not familiar with TWG jargon
18:31   Dudeman42   That's normal. It's not as useful as a post that says someone might be a wolf, but it takes away suspicion.
18:31   Brawler4Ever   i've never liked it
18:31   Brawler4Ever   it feels like they're trying to cover up for each other
18:32   Dudeman42   It's not very useful and puts words in people's mouths, but it's not necessarily bad.
18:32   Brawler4Ever   but that's probably just me
18:32   Dudeman42   It's bad if they then accuse someone else.
18:32   Brawler4Ever   how so?
18:33   Dudeman42   They've just cleared someone's name. A sudden turnaround attack on someone else will shift the spotlight and put the first person out of harm.
18:33   Brawler4Ever   yeah, I can see that
18:33   Brawler4Ever   I see that if somebody accuses Mashi, they go after me next
18:33   Brawler4Ever   just a random, non-specific example
18:33   Dudeman42   I need to do an indepth analysis of Mashi's posts soon.
18:34   Brawler4Ever   it goes other ways
18:34   Brawler4Ever   that was just a bad example.
18:34   Dudeman42   I see your point.
18:34   Brawler4Ever   my point is Nocturne
18:34   Brawler4Ever   he said that Mashi was a good human, twice
18:34   Brawler4Ever   not necessarily in those words
18:34   Brawler4Ever   I see that as a wolf building the reputation of another wolf
18:34   Brawler4Ever   but, others do it as well
18:35   Dudeman42   Yeah. It's more of a newbie move to say, "okay, that guy's human." No need to state the obvious.
18:36   Brawler4Ever   isn't it the same thing, though?
18:36   Brawler4Ever   he acts human, therefore he is human
18:36   Brawler4Ever   makes no sense to me
18:37   Brawler4Ever   a wolf also acts human, otherwise there wouldn't be a game
18:37   Dudeman42   But a wolf can act like a flawed human.
18:37   Brawler4Ever   yeah
18:37   Brawler4Ever   exactly my point
18:38   Brawler4Ever   "acting" human, or doing "human" things, means nothing
18:38   Brawler4Ever   to me, anyway
18:38   Dudeman42   Then everyone's a wolf.
18:38   Dudeman42   That's where the balance lies.
18:38   Brawler4Ever   and that's how I see the game xD
18:38   Dudeman42   If everyone is suspicious because everyone acts like a human, then how can we find out anything?
18:38   Brawler4Ever   everybody's a wolf, until the scoreboard says they're not
18:38   Brawler4Ever   people make themselves suspicious
18:39   Brawler4Ever   they are not inherently suspicious
18:39   Brawler4Ever   i may be completely wrong
18:39   Dudeman42   If they aren't inherently suspicious, are they then human?
18:39   Brawler4Ever   expert TWG-ers may be doing the biggest facepalm ever
18:40   Dudeman42   And by extension via your logic, they are then wolves?
18:40   Dudeman42   It's okay, you're new to it.
18:40   Dudeman42   I'm new to it to. This is only my second game.
18:40   Brawler4Ever   oh really?
18:40   Brawler4Ever   oh wait, you mentioned that...
18:40   Dudeman42   I guess I just think more logically.
18:40   Brawler4Ever   i thought that that was what I was doing
18:41   Brawler4Ever   not looking into *how* they say, but what  they say
18:41   Dudeman42   Exactly. You're saying that anything "human" is by extension "wolfy."
18:41   Dudeman42   So no one's human.
18:41   Dudeman42   That makes no sense.
18:42   Brawler4Ever   not necessarily everything *is* wolfy
18:42   Brawler4Ever   or *is* human
18:42   Brawler4Ever   but *can be* wolf
18:42   Dudeman42   So everyone's suspicious.
18:42   Brawler4Ever   to a certain extent
18:42   Dudeman42   AAAAAAAAAAND FULL CIRCLE!!
18:42   Brawler4Ever   xD
18:43   Dudeman42   That's the thing with a game of bluffs. Some people are good at bluffing. Some are not. Some aren't bluffing.
18:43   Brawler4Ever   i rprefer to look at *why* things are said
18:43   Dudeman42   Your job is to figure out the difference.
18:43   Brawler4Ever   right
18:43   Brawler4Ever   what's the motive?
18:43   Dudeman42   Yeah.
18:44   Dudeman42   But just confirming that someone's human doesn't really have a lot of suspicion behind it.
18:44   Dudeman42   Unless it creates a false sense of trust.
18:44   Dudeman42   That's it!
18:44   Brawler4Ever   that's what I wanted to know
18:44   Brawler4Ever   so it's not uncommon/suspicious for somebody to give someone else a human lean
18:44   Dudeman42   Absolutely not.
18:44   Dudeman42   Wow, that took forever.
18:44   Brawler4Ever   i just see that too easily misused by the wolves
18:45   Dudeman42   There are a lot of things that the wolves can use. Human confirmations are one of them.
18:45   Brawler4Ever    that's true
18:45   Dudeman42   Counterclaiming's another.
18:45   Dudeman42   Which hasn't happened at all in this game.
18:45   Brawler4Ever   i've used that before
18:45   Brawler4Ever   didn't end well xD
18:45   Dudeman42   Obviously none of the specials have claimed, so why haven't the wolves tried?
18:46   Brawler4Ever   well, nobody's claimed
18:46   Brawler4Ever   because we'vve decided it's not worth it for them
18:46   Dudeman42   True.
18:46   Dudeman42   Any claims now would be suspicious.
18:46   Brawler4Ever   they trade 1 for 1, if their counter is still alive
18:46   Brawler4Ever   for better or worse, I believe that it's too late for an alliance
18:47   Brawler4Ever   worse being that the alliance fails anyway
18:47   Dudeman42   So now we just wait for SP to update...
18:47   Brawler4Ever   and apparently the Guardian agrees
18:47   Brawler4Ever   or is dead
18:47   Brawler4Ever   yeah
18:47   Dudeman42   And the Night Phase to happen...
18:48   Dudeman42   tbh, I bet fank was the guardian.
18:48   Brawler4Ever   that would be hilarious
18:48   Brawler4Ever   "Guardian, come out!"
18:48   Brawler4Ever   "I can't! I'm dead!"
18:49   Dudeman42   You know? I feel that the Guardian would have said something by now if they were alive. Maybe even baiting the guardian to claim.
18:49   Brawler4Ever   that would be best case scenerio, I beleive
18:49   Brawler4Ever   baiting the wolf to claim?
18:49   Dudeman42   Yeah.
18:49   Brawler4Ever   ok
18:49   Dudeman42   That happened in the last game I was in.
18:49   Dudeman42   Bubbles was a role and he kept asking for that role to claim.
18:50   Dudeman42   When the night phase was up he claimed.
18:50   Brawler4Ever   he claimed the role he was requesting?
18:50   Dudeman42   Yeah. And that's who he was.
18:50   Brawler4Ever   lol
18:50   Brawler4Ever   makes no sense to me, but ok
18:50   Brawler4Ever   the strategy, I mean
18:51   Dudeman42   Sure. If the Guardian wanted someone to suspect, they wait for a wolf to false claim so they can counterclaim.
18:51   Dudeman42   It's fairly common.
18:51   Brawler4Ever   ah ok
18:51   Brawler4Ever   then they both get lynched, but the humans come out ahead. Correct?
18:52   Dudeman42   Sure, unless shenanigans happen.
18:52   Brawler4Ever   lol
18:52   Brawler4Ever   shenanigans always happen
18:56   Brawler4Ever   i don't like how yugi used his ignorance in his defense
18:56   Dudeman42   How so?
18:57   Brawler4Ever   it seems manipulative, to me
18:57   Brawler4Ever   "I didn't know! It couldn't be me!"
18:57   Brawler4Ever   I don' buy it
18:57   Brawler4Ever   don't*
18:57   Brawler4Ever   of course, he's not the only one to make a mistake like that
18:57   Dudeman42   Oh, you mean how instead of apologizing he was all like, "lol I guess that means I'm cleared"?
18:57   Brawler4Ever   but he's the first to claim as human because of it
18:58   Brawler4Ever   yeah
18:58   Dudeman42   I can see it.
18:58   Brawler4Ever   it's a simple mistake, but it doesn't in any way dispute wolfship
18:59   Brawler4Ever   if it did, we could remove basically half of the players right now
18:59   Brawler4Ever   as potential wolves
18:59   Dudeman42   Yeah.
18:59   Brawler4Ever   including both of us xD
18:59   Dudeman42   That's what happened to FireArrow...
18:59   Brawler4Ever   the difference is that FireArrow made a call to action
18:59   Brawler4Ever   "Guardian, you're safe! Come out now!"
18:59   Brawler4Ever   that's very different than speculation
19:00   Dudeman42   True, true.
19:00   Brawler4Ever   and he did it on two different occastions
19:00   Brawler4Ever   occasions*
19:01   Brawler4Ever   Is SP an hour late, or were we an hour early?
19:01   Dudeman42   He's late, though he did say something about the ending time changing for convenience? I'll have to check.
19:02   Dudeman42   He did post an hour late last time.
19:03   Brawler4Ever   oh yeah...
19:03   Brawler4Ever   i forgot about that
19:03   Brawler4Ever   if it was Night, I would be anxious
19:04   Brawler4Ever   you know?
19:04   Dudeman42   Same.
19:04   Brawler4Ever   this, this is just patiently waiting for the inevitable
19:05   Brawler4Ever   On Day 3, I'm considering voting for Yugi
19:05   Brawler4Ever   just bothers me way too much
19:05   Dudeman42   Hm. I'm still hanging on Mashi.
19:06   Brawler4Ever   yeah, I can see that as well, in all honesty
19:06   Dudeman42   I'll have to make a case after Night 3.
19:07   Brawler4Ever   what if you don't survive the Night?
19:07   Brawler4Ever   I wouldn't be surprised if you were targeted by the vigi, all things considered
19:08   Dudeman42   Really? How so?
19:08   Brawler4Ever   your initial post against me, for the most part
19:08   Brawler4Ever   and a slight history of bandwagon-ing
19:09   Dudeman42   A slight history meaning that one post on you, right?
19:09   Brawler4Ever   and against noc, soon after
19:09   Brawler4Ever   but yeah, including yours against me
19:10   Dudeman42   Sure, but Noc had good reason to be voted against.
19:10   Brawler4Ever   like I said, slight
19:10   Dudeman42   I don't think I've been active enough to warrant a vigi.
19:10   Dudeman42   Or maybe that's the point...
19:10   Brawler4Ever   I'm just saying, if the whole thing with latios didn't come up, you'd be lynched right now
19:10   Brawler4Ever   by a majority of 2
19:11   Dudeman42   Sure, but those votes were to pressure me into talking. I talked, so they were rescinded.
19:11   Brawler4Ever   i agree
19:11   Dudeman42   Latios came up 'cause I fell out of the picture and they needed someone to vote for.
19:11   Brawler4Ever   I don't see you likely as a wolf
19:11   Brawler4Ever   but I'm not the vigi
19:12   Dudeman42   We'll just have to wait and see.
19:12   Brawler4Ever   that's why I posted the chat log between me and mashi during my fight with noc
19:12   Brawler4Ever   if I'm going to die, why not post everything that I can?
19:12   Dudeman42   True, true.
19:12   Brawler4Ever   hopefully it would be useful to someone in the future
19:14   Brawler4Ever   or maybe the vigi has someone else on his mind
19:14   Brawler4Ever   there's lots of things to consider
19:15   Brawler4Ever   or he's dead xD
19:15   Dudeman42   That's what I was about to say.
19:15   Brawler4Ever   lol
19:15   Dudeman42   Actually he can't be dead unless it was Latios.
19:15   Dudeman42   No, wait.
19:15   Brawler4Ever   or davy/FA
19:15   Brawler4Ever   yeah
19:15   Dudeman42   Both the wolfing and the vigi happen even if the vigi dies. My bad.
19:15   Brawler4Ever   yep
19:16   Brawler4Ever   so there's a 1/5 chance that the vigi has died recently
19:16   Dudeman42   Something like that.
19:17   Brawler4Ever   i have to go
19:17   Brawler4Ever   i'll go ahead and post this log
19:17   Dudeman42   Not that it reveals much
19:17   Dudeman42   Or discusses much
19:17   Brawler4Ever   but it brings some discussion
19:17   Dudeman42   We talked like noobs and went in circles
19:17   Dudeman42   Sure.
19:17   Brawler4Ever   and that's better than what happened Today xD
19:17   Dudeman42   ^
19:18   Dudeman42   Well, see ya.
19:18   Brawler4Ever   cya

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tl;dr This is a LONG one! And there's basically nothing in here! xD

[Maelstrom]

From what I can tell, the logic against Latios was kind of solid, but not really, as it was mostly based on activity.
However, I would like to add that there have been a lack of posts with any substance to them from him. I know I'm far from the first person to say that, but it's quite true.

[Brawler4Ever]

However, I would like to add that there have been a lack of posts with any substance to them from him. I know I'm far from the first person to say that, but it's quite true.

as dudeman pointed out, the same could be said of Dude.