TWG LXXXI: Pokémon X & Y

[FireArrow]

And? The wolf painter can only paint Red and it's not permanent. So unless he manages to predict every seering, I don't see the problem.

Dude. There's a wolf painter.

[Bubbles]

I don't think it says anywhere they can only paint red?

[Brawler4Ever]

Lysandre ... is able to influence the Seers to misinterpret one player's color every night phase.

[FireArrow]

Lysandre, their leader, is a distinguished businessman and is even considered a friend by the esteemed Professor Sycamore, so as such is able to influence the Seers to misinterpret one player's color every night phase. He and his henchmen, fashionable though they may be, will be Seer'd red, though the elite Celosia can herself Seer other players.

I somehow combined these two sentences... Ok then. >_>
Now that I stand corrected, I really don't see the point of an alliance at all as we don't really have anything to gain from it. We're united two PRs at the price of one to do what exactly? The don't even have a way to communicate to the thread. I'll just go back to being useless now.

[Brawler4Ever]

Random Chat Log

17:22      *** Brawler4Ever joined #TWG
17:22   Brawler4Ever   hey
17:23   Olimar12345   "People said things!"
17:23   Olimar12345   OMG
17:23   Brawler4Ever   ikr?
17:23   Olimar12345   It has been so quiet : c
17:23   Olimar12345   Dudeman is dead I think
17:23   Olimar12345   : /
17:23   Brawler4Ever   lol
17:23   Brawler4Ever   maybe afk or something?
17:24   Olimar12345   hasn't said anyhting in the hour I've been here
17:24   Brawler4Ever   wow
17:24   Brawler4Ever   that's intense
17:24   Olimar12345   Maybe he hates me...
17:24   Olimar12345   xD
17:24   Brawler4Ever   pretty sure dudeman hates everybody
17:25   Brawler4Ever   xD
17:25   Olimar12345   aww
17:25   Brawler4Ever   jk
17:25   Brawler4Ever   he's just not here to defend himself
17:25   Olimar12345   poor dudeman
17:25   Brawler4Ever   is it considered talking behind his back if he's literally right here?
17:25   Olimar12345   Sure, if he's turned around
17:26   Brawler4Ever   oh well, i'll stop either way
17:26   Brawler4Ever   true
17:26   Brawler4Ever   enjoying the text walls, olimar?
17:26   Olimar12345   =____=  I've had to take a few breaks...
17:26   Brawler4Ever   lol
17:26   Olimar12345   my eyes...
17:26   Brawler4Ever   i've never had to debate so fiercely about something so...
17:27   Brawler4Ever   irrelevant?
17:27   Brawler4Ever   i guess?
17:27   Brawler4Ever   that's not the right word
17:27   Olimar12345   like there will be all this text, then it basically comes down to a tl;dr of nothing important
17:27   Olimar12345   : /
17:28   Brawler4Ever   "he said, he said" WOLF!!!!
17:28   Brawler4Ever   was really annoying
17:28   Olimar12345   I have like no strong leads still
17:28   Brawler4Ever   but I stick with my belief; I believe that NoS was a wolf
17:28   Brawler4Ever   and if not, then I owe him a huge apology
17:29   Brawler4Ever   right now, the main discussion concerns an alliance
17:29   Olimar12345   I literally can't tell if he's being wolfish or just his usually trolly self : /
17:29   Brawler4Ever   no idea
17:29   Olimar12345   but it sure will be less annoying without him, thats for sure.
17:29   Brawler4Ever   his behavior made no sense to me
17:30   Brawler4Ever   but if that's just how he is, then, I guess, whatever
17:30   Brawler4Ever   I'm not *counting* on him being a wolf
17:30   Brawler4Ever   I'm still looking for either a trio or a duo of wolves
17:30   Olimar12345   any suspicions?
17:30   Brawler4Ever   lol
17:31   Olimar12345   I can't get a read on anyone : /
17:31   Brawler4Ever   i've been so caught up with noc, i have no idea who's even in the game xD
17:31   Olimar12345   Not to mention, it's a BIG game
17:31   Olimar12345   15 ppl
17:31   Brawler4Ever   davy really wants an alliance, even though the consensus is that it wouldn't work
17:32   Olimar12345   oh yeah. Won't that really not work out, though?
17:32   Brawler4Ever   I like the idea of an alliance, but I don't see it as worth it now
17:32   Brawler4Ever   yeah
17:32   Olimar12345   no cardflips will make that hard..
17:32   Brawler4Ever   the way I see it, we lose two blues for one wolf
17:32   Brawler4Ever   no matter what we do
17:32   Brawler4Ever   if NoS was a wolf, then I would see it as worth it
17:33   Brawler4Ever   but I don't think that we can prove it either way
17:34   Olimar12345   I wonder if we can seer the dead!
17:34   Olimar12345   lol
17:34   Brawler4Ever   lol
17:34   Brawler4Ever   it's worth a try!
17:34   Brawler4Ever   can the dead be painted?
17:34   Brawler4Ever   lol
17:34   Olimar12345   who knows.
17:34   Brawler4Ever   CAN THE DEAD BE VIGI'D???
17:35   Olimar12345   *CAN THE DED VIGI US???
17:35   Brawler4Ever   o.0
17:35   Olimar12345   mysterious mystery is mysterious
17:36   Brawler4Ever   plot twist: SlowPokemon is the wolf and hes slowly watching us all tear eachother apart
17:36   Brawler4Ever   Twilight Zone style
17:36   Olimar12345   So THAT'S why everything has been in black-and-white!
17:37   Brawler4Ever   I didn't even see it coming...
17:37   Brawler4Ever   well played, SP. Well played.
17:38   Olimar12345   Latio and FA are online...why then no chat?
17:39   Olimar12345   :C
17:39   Brawler4Ever   
17:39   Brawler4Ever   FA just posted too
17:39   Brawler4Ever   we both said we're in chat
17:40   Olimar12345   our riveting and useful logs are going to waste
17:40   Brawler4Ever   maybe... they don't WANT to be in chat?
17:40   Brawler4Ever   suspicious suspiciousness is supsicious
17:40   Olimar12345   lol Latios is even active and posting in Skype.
17:40   Brawler4Ever   nice
17:40   Olimar12345   traitor!
17:41   Brawler4Ever   maelstrom's latest post
17:41   Brawler4Ever   epic win
17:41   Olimar12345   I literally just read xD
17:41   Brawler4Ever   so bad
17:41   Brawler4Ever   but so good
17:42   Brawler4Ever   this is the point where I start getting suspicous of FireArrow
17:42   Olimar12345   but yeah, an alliance does not sound like a good idea
17:42   Brawler4Ever   we'd gain too little for so much risk
17:42   Olimar12345   mashis post said it all
17:45   Olimar12345   "[Lysanre] is able to influence the Seers to misinterpret one player's color every night phase."
17:45   Olimar12345   Where does it say it can only be red?
17:45   Brawler4Ever   i just posted that
17:45   Brawler4Ever   it doesn't
17:45   Olimar12345   ninjad
17:45   Olimar12345   I didn't even bother post-you beat me to it xD
17:49   Brawler4Ever   xD
17:49   Brawler4Ever   i feel bad for FA now
17:50   Olimar12345   well, he tried.
17:50   Brawler4Ever   lol
17:50   Brawler4Ever   Night ends in an hour, right?
17:50   Olimar12345    1 minutes, I think
17:51   Olimar12345   10*
17:51   Olimar12345   if I have my time-zones correct
17:51   Brawler4Ever   even better!
17:51   Brawler4Ever   SP is EST, I believe
17:52   Olimar12345   yep, 8 minutes.
17:52   Brawler4Ever   ssweeeet
17:52   Olimar12345   Here's to still being alive then!
17:52   Brawler4Ever   in case either of us get wolfed, it's been fun
17:52   Olimar12345   indeed!
17:54   Brawler4Ever   if someone is killed, are they allowed to be in this chat room?
17:54   Brawler4Ever   or is it considered off-limits to them?
17:55   Olimar12345   I think they can watch, but can't participate or chat
17:55   Olimar12345   I wonder if a death post is allowed... Nos kind of did one anyway...
17:56   Brawler4Ever   that makes sense
17:56   Brawler4Ever   i have to go
17:56   Brawler4Ever   i'll be back on later though
17:57   Brawler4Ever   cya

[close]

Not really worth anything, but I thought it would be worth a good laugh (this chat log took place an hour ago)

[Dudeman]

For the record, I was gone that whole time so I wasn't aware of the conversation. I did show up later and see it though. No hard feelings.

And no, I don't hate everyone. Here's a smiley face to prove it:

[Brawler4Ever]

For the record, I was gone that whole time so I wasn't aware of the conversation. I did show up later and see it though. No hard feelings.

And no, I don't hate everyone. Here's a smiley face to prove it:

 

[SlowPokemon]

I apologize for the late phase ending. However, the 9:00 PM is actually the more convenient time for me (tonight was a fluke) and as such, the phase will be roughly 47 hours instead of 48, unless anyone has any objections.

Night Two is over. davy and FireArrow are dead. It is now Day Two. Day Two will end on Friday, July 12, 2015, at 9:00 PM EST.

In addition, Yugi will be replacing Toby and his role PM has been sent out. I've also removed the Phantoms (I guess it's been awhile since I've played because I didn't know their functions had changed, haha).

Players:
1. BlackDragonSlayer
2. Dudeman
3. Latios212
4. Maelstrom
5. Brawler4Ever
6. NocturneOfShadow
7. Olimar12345
8. FireArrow
9. Bubbles
10. Mashi
11. davy
12. Dude
13. fank009
14. Jub3r7
15. Toby Yugi

[Bubbles]

We're not told who was the wolfing and who was the vigi? I'm going to assume davy was the vigi and FA was the wolfing, since that makes the most sense I guess

[Brawler4Ever]

We're not told who was the wolfing and who was the vigi? I'm going to assume davy was the vigi and FA was the wolfing, since that makes the most sense I guess

It could be that the vigi thought that davy was a wolf because of his continual support for an alliance, even when everybody else believed it to be a mistake.

FireArrow? I have no idea. Either way. I have nothing against him, but I don't see why he would be wolfed/vigi'd.

[Brawler4Ever]

17:42   Brawler4Ever   this is the point where I start getting suspicous of FireArrow

FireArrow? I have no idea. Either way. I have nothing against him, but I don't see why he would be wolfed/vigi'd.

While I don't believe that anybody would make this connection, I feel that it would be better to clarify now, rather than later. My suspiciousness of FireArrow in my latest post was serious. In an earlier post (I believe it was Mashi's first chat log?) I was joking.
In this case, I really don't see enough evidence to vigi/wolf him. That's what I meant in my previous post. To be fair though, he did make a remarkable number of mistakes, almost like he was trying to make others fall into a trap. Or maybe I'm giving him way too much credit. In either case, I do not see the reasoning behind the wolves getting him, or the vigi getting him.

davy, on the other hand, makes complete sense to me. I'm fairly certain his death is a direct result of his continual support of an alliance. Both the vigi and the wolves would see this as a threat.

If davy was not a wolf, the wolves would see him as an obstacle in the future; it's much easier for the wolves to win if the humans don't have an alliance. So they would have reason to wolf him, thus basically stopping all support for an alliance, and making their job easier in the long run.

The vigi would see his continual support of an alliance as a huge mistake, presumably. Almost everybody was against it, except FireArrow, ironically. If the alliance is doomed to fail from the beginning (as everybody but davy believed) why continue to support it, and publicly call for the Guardian to reveal himself? It would seem, to the vigi in this specific case, that davy was a wolf, trying to get the Guardian to reveal himself so that they would have an easy kill, at the very least.

So one death makes perfect sense to me. The other makes no sense to me. Anybody else have any ideas? I'm going back into chat.

[BlackDragonSlayer]

davy, on the other hand, makes complete sense to me. I'm fairly certain his death is a direct result of his continual support of an alliance. Both the vigi and the wolves would see this as a threat.

If davy was not a wolf, the wolves would see him as an obstacle in the future; it's much easier for the wolves to win if the humans don't have an alliance. So they would have reason to wolf him, thus basically stopping all support for an alliance, and making their job easier in the long run.

The vigi would see his continual support of an alliance as a huge mistake, presumably. Almost everybody was against it, except FireArrow, ironically. If the alliance is doomed to fail from the beginning (as everybody but davy believed) why continue to support it, and publicly call for the Guardian to reveal himself? It would seem, to the vigi in this specific case, that davy was a wolf, trying to get the Guardian to reveal himself so that they would have an easy kill, at the very least.

I can't say I agree with your reasoning here; I'm not sure why potentially supporting an alliance would somehow threaten the vigi or prompt them to vigi Davy. While I do admit that I found some of Davy's behavior in the chat a bit strange (you should know what I'm talking about, as you were there; as a specific example, how much his opinions lined up with Mashi's, yet he seemed to be suspicious of him... just because...?), I'm not sure if it as "strange" enough to warrant him being vigi'd. I could see him being wolfed though, because despite any of his arguably strange behavior, he was definitely putting effort forth, which would certainly be threatening to the wolves- just look at his giant post(s)!!!

[Yugi]

Hey everyone. What d'ya need me to do?

[Brawler4Ever]

(you should know what I'm talking about, as you were there; as a specific example, how much his opinions lined up with Mashi's, yet he seemed to be suspicious of him... just because...?)

Yeah, I never understood his reasoning behind being suspicious of Mashi. Something along the lines of davy saying "I am least certain of [Mashi's] humanity," but the subject was soon changed and didn't come up again. I was suspicious of Mashi because of a subtle friendship, per se, with NoS. They repeatedly complimented each other throughout the game. However, other players, like Latios, did the same with other players. So I believe that I was overthinking their "friendship." Possibly. I don't see it as a viable enough reason to pursue Mashi's lynching, that's for sure.

Hey everyone. What d'ya need me to do?

Depends. If you're a wolf, we'd greatly appreciate a confession. It'd make our Day 2 lynching very easy.

[Yugi]

Also, its entirely possible that the wolves used the strongarm kill tonight, to push us to an odd number of players and making it so the game ends on a night phase.