Debate Topic

[Altissimo]

He is within copyright law because he gets permission before using someone else's work.

He doesn't even need permission. Parodies are exempt from permission from what I know. He does it to be nice.

anyway i must say TooFarGann you seem to have a beef with communism, care to elaborate? :p

[TooFarGann]

"Weird Al always contacts the creators of the songs he parodies before parodying them to get full permissions. He is within copyright law because he gets permission before using someone else's work.

You're right but he legally does not have to. Have you ever heard of "Dumb Starbucks" it was a legit business, again no royalties etc.

[mikey]

anyway i must say TooFarGann you seem to have a beef with communism, care to elaborate? :p

I mean, it's literally impossible to pull off, that's a good reason to hate it

[Pianist Da Sootopolis]

If you really don't think intellectual property exists, I'm surprised that your idea hasn't bested all the world's lawyers who are dedicated to the cause..

[Altissimo]

I mean, it's literally impossible to pull off, that's a good reason to hate it

i disagree but that's also not quite my point, i'm talking more along the lines of "how can you have a beef with communism and its land ideology when claiming IP doesn't exist"

[TooFarGann]

anyway i must say TooFarGann you seem to have a beef with communism, care to elaborate? :p

Yes. It's not a very good idea. In Communism the government owns you. When in reality mankind has created the government; the government answers to man not the other way around.

[mikey]

that's socialism
communism has no government

[Pianist Da Sootopolis]

Yes. It's not a very good idea. In Communism the government owns you. When in reality mankind has created the government; the government answers to man not the other way around.

In Communism there is no state. In fact, Communism has no state, class, money, or private property.
Marx was a huge believer in such small gov't that there isn't one: he often parroted Rousseau, who famously said something like "Man is born free, but is chained everywhere". The system you're thinking about is Authoritarianism, which historically has been paired with Communism, but is actually counter intuitive to Marxist theory.

It's important to differentiate between "only works in theory" and "hasn't been done successfully yet". IMO Communism is great if you can keep human beings perfect, but throughout its history it's distorted by people who take power to establish a Communist state but never give it up (see Lenin, Stalin, & his successors until the dissolution of the Soviet Union).
What I'd be curious to see is how Trotsky would've run the Soviet Union had he not been assassinated and had he taken Stalin's place.

[mikey]

yeah communism works if people are perfect, but people aren't perfect and that makes murica better

[Dudeman]

IMO Communism is great if you can keep human beings perfect, but throughout its history it's distorted by people who take power to establish a Communist state but never give it up (see Lenin, Stalin, & his successors until the dissolution of the Soviet Union).

I couldn't agree with this more. Communism is amazing on paper, but put humans into the mix, who are notorious for usually making poor decisions and being greedy to an extent, and everything falls apart.

ninja'd by Noc with less words and more patriotism

[Pianist Da Sootopolis]

The thing that bugs me is that most of the time what people think of when they hear "Communism" is actually far left authoritarianism, which is COMPLETELY different than Communism, but again has been historically paired with it so, helped along via Red Scare tactics, has become interchangeable.

[TooFarGann]

In Communism there is no state.

I believe you mean anarchy where as there are no leaders or chiefs.

[Pianist Da Sootopolis]

No, I mean Communism. Please learn political science terms before you try to correct people and invariably come off as a know-it-all. Thanks

[Dudeman]

The thing that bugs me is that most of the time what people think of when they hear "Communism" is actually far left authoritarianism, which is COMPLETELY different than Communism, but again has been historically paired with it so, helped along via Red Scare tactics, has become interchangeable.

I think the reason this occurs is that historically, Communism has almost always dissolved into authoritarianism (if you've got any good counterexamples, I'd love to hear them). I personally don't think that's gonna change any time soon, as patterns are pretty good indicators. But who knows. I'm waiting on a benevolent Communist nation to rise up and save the world any day now.

[Altissimo]

I believe you mean anarchy where as there are no leaders or chiefs.

n... no

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_society

this is as Marxism dictates, notice "A communist society is characterized by common ownership of the means of production with free access to the articles of consumption and is classless and stateless[...]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stateless_society

"A stateless society is a society that is not governed by a state, or, especially in common American English, has no government. In stateless societies, there is little concentration of authority; most positions of authority that do exist are very limited in power and are generally not permanently-held positions; and social bodies that resolve disputes through predefined rules tend to be small."