TWG 69: You Were Expecting A Sexual Innuendo, But It Was I, Dio!!!

[mikey]

Maelstrom

[Maelstrom]

NoS

[davy]

mainly going back to the quiet twilight phase. wolves have no reason to really contribute to discussion. that and somewhat of a meta, of back when we were scum buddies, dont know if its me, but just that vibe of staying out till needed, made you top priority over others.

Well, it's not as if humans had that much of a reason to contribute. Also I have been inactive night one nearly every game since TWG LVII, the only times I wasn't inactive since that game was when I was trying to set up an alliance.

Me and BDS are Masons.  The argument I had about masons claiming was kinda pointless, since I was going to claim anyways!!!

Guess I'll remove my vote from Liggy and put it on bird for

going after the players discussing the wolf choices why you were discussing them yourself as well.

Anyway, I'll safety on davy or something for now.

Don't safety someone that already has a vote on him.

[Bird]

Things have come up and I need to drop out.

I guess it's good you weren't hosting then.

[Olimar12345]

Don't safety someone that already has a vote on him.

Sorry, didn't see the vote for you already. I guess safety on Funnygurl555 since no one's voted for her yet d:

[Bird]

Dude: The possibility that you were making a Cirno reference crossed my mind, but I figured you would have used ⑨ instead of 9 if that were the case. Either way, that makes sense.

Olimar: wut? Who is funnygurl555?

I'm gonna change my vote to Davy. My suspicions on Dude and Maelstrom weren't motivated by me thinking that discussing the wolf strategies was something suspicious. Rather, it was suspicious for either of those two players (especially Dude) to talk about it. Either way, I'm not suspicious of either of them anymore.

[Bird]

Oh, I see that Funnygurl has replaced someone. That's too bad, since now we don't have a replacement for Maestro.

You should edit the OP to include that information!

[Dude]

Dude: The possibility that you were making a Cirno reference crossed my mind, but I figured you would have used ⑨ instead of 9 if that were the case.

I was too lazy to change the keyboard format for it lol.

[Mashi]

Absurdly Awesome Person (aka Bubbles) has replaced MaestroUGC.

[Bird]

 

[Mashi]

thx bird

[Liggy]

[Liggy]

So, I find it really odd that Nocturne of Shadow and Maelstrom voted for each other within 12 minutes of each other, with no explanation or anything else in the post.

Yeah, there were a lot of meaningless votes this phase, and it is entirely possible Maelstrom voted for Nocturne in response to being voted for, but I feel like if that was a human exchange there would have been more words said.

Here's that log I said I would post:

Spoiler

[2014-08-04 00:17:13] <Maestro> You know, there should be absolutely no claims.
[2014-08-04 00:17:22] <fank009> ^
[2014-08-04 00:17:26] <Liggy> normally I would agree 100%
[2014-08-04 00:17:41] <Liggy> but there are some roles such as mason and friendly neighbor which exist only to be claimed
[2014-08-04 00:17:49] <Maestro> Too many factors and alternate possibilities and ways for people to interlope and muddy the data.
[2014-08-04 00:18:14] <fank009> masons and friendly neighbours can easily be counter claimed.
[2014-08-04 00:18:25] <Maestro> All of them can.
[2014-08-04 00:18:31] <fank009> but putting the claims now,
[2014-08-04 00:18:47] <fank009> does force wolves to put their money where their mouth is.
[2014-08-04 00:18:59] <fank009> and stick a foot down in the cement and keep it there.
[2014-08-04 00:19:14] <Liggy> masons and friendly neightbors WANT to be counterclaimed
[2014-08-04 00:19:28] <Liggy> like I can see nothing bad that can happen from them claiming if they exist
[2014-08-04 00:19:53] <Liggy> They claim and aren't killed.
[2014-08-04 00:19:57] <Liggy> We can't trust them completely
[2014-08-04 00:20:10] <fank009> but liggy, GAMBITS.
[2014-08-04 00:20:14] <Liggy> but either we get the names of two humans or two wolves, both of which is great (or one human in case of FN)
[2014-08-04 00:20:19] <Maestro> For once I agree with fank
[2014-08-04 00:20:21] <Liggy> They get killed
[2014-08-04 00:20:32] <Liggy> if they are masons, we get the name of a confirmed human and can start an alliance
[2014-08-04 00:20:40] <Liggy> well not really an alliance per se
[2014-08-04 00:20:45] <Liggy> but they can still collect claims
[2014-08-04 00:20:55] <Liggy> mind you, they shouldn't share those claims to other people
[2014-08-04 00:21:00] <Maestro> What's to stop two wolves from claiming mason.
[2014-08-04 00:21:05] <Liggy> nothing at all
[2014-08-04 00:21:17] <Liggy> I'm not stupid enough to suggest you to claim to a living mason
[2014-08-04 00:21:19] <fank009> Fank mentioning the word gambits?
[2014-08-04 00:21:22] <Liggy> force the wolves to make a move
[2014-08-04 00:21:30] <Liggy> they aren't going to keep both masons alive
[2014-08-04 00:21:36] <Liggy> as soon as one dies mass claim to the other
[2014-08-04 00:21:37] <Maestro> We can't force the wolves to do shit.
[2014-08-04 00:21:43] <Liggy> yeah we can
[2014-08-04 00:21:48] <Maestro> How?
[2014-08-04 00:22:00] <Liggy> if the two masons claims
[2014-08-04 00:22:07] <Liggy> the wolves have two options
[2014-08-04 00:22:11] <Liggy> kill them or not kill them
[2014-08-04 00:22:15] <Liggy> both are advantageous for us
[2014-08-04 00:22:53] <Maestro> Not killing them does not validate the players who claimed mason, nor disprove them,.'
[2014-08-04 00:22:59] <Liggy> it doesn't
[2014-08-04 00:23:01] <Liggy> however
[2014-08-04 00:23:09] <Liggy> we know that those two players are either both human
[2014-08-04 00:23:12] <Liggy> or both wolves
[2014-08-04 00:23:13] <Maestro> Killing them just makes them targets of opportunity.
[2014-08-04 00:23:24] <Liggy> that's pretty damn useful information to though
[2014-08-04 00:23:27] <fank009> ^^
[2014-08-04 00:23:41] <fank009> not to mention uses up mislynches
[2014-08-04 00:23:46] <Maestro> You're also banking that people will trust the claims in the first place.
[2014-08-04 00:23:51] <Liggy> what no
[2014-08-04 00:23:55] <Liggy> I don't think you are getting what I'm say
[2014-08-04 00:23:57] <Liggy> saying*
[2014-08-04 00:24:05] <Liggy> if we get a pair of mason claims
[2014-08-04 00:24:12] <Liggy> we should not lynch them
[2014-08-04 00:24:14] <Liggy> or claim to them
[2014-08-04 00:24:28] <Liggy> if one of the masons gets wolfed, claim to the other
[2014-08-04 00:24:44] <fank009> again, Gambits
[2014-08-04 00:24:45] <Maestro> But that assumes that there are even mason in the first place.
[2014-08-04 00:24:48] <Liggy> if neither do, then treat it like nothing happens
[2014-08-04 00:24:56] <fank009> wolves can simply not do anything.
[2014-08-04 00:25:04] <fank009> and leave humans like headless chooks
[2014-08-04 00:25:10] <Liggy> however knowing that they are both wolves and humans
[2014-08-04 00:25:12] <Liggy> okay fank
[2014-08-04 00:25:14] <Liggy> there is literally
[2014-08-04 00:25:30] <Liggy> no way this can end badly for us
[2014-08-04 00:25:35] <Liggy> yes, the wolves don't have to kill the mason
[2014-08-04 00:25:49] <fank009> nothing bad doesnt necesarily mean something good
[2014-08-04 00:26:00] <Liggy> um
[2014-08-04 00:26:03] <Liggy> what
[2014-08-04 00:26:15] <Liggy> so are you seriously suggesting
[2014-08-04 00:26:16] <Maestro> So your plan is to wait for two people to claim mason and let the other team decide our next move?
[2014-08-04 00:26:24] <fank009> ^^
[2014-08-04 00:26:28] <Liggy> that we should not execute a plan
[2014-08-04 00:26:34] <fank009> No.
[2014-08-04 00:26:35] <Maestro> What if they're counter claimed?
[2014-08-04 00:26:39] <Maestro> What then?
[2014-08-04 00:26:40] <fank009> plans are good.
[2014-08-04 00:26:40] <Liggy> that's even better
[2014-08-04 00:26:43] <fank009> ^
[2014-08-04 00:26:51] <Liggy> seriously there's no way this can end badly
[2014-08-04 00:26:56] <Liggy> and so many ways this can end well
[2014-08-04 00:27:01] <fank009> CCing is like death for wolves...
[2014-08-04 00:27:03] <Liggy> if masons exist they should claim
[2014-08-04 00:27:10] <Liggy> and then we roll with it
[2014-08-04 00:27:17] <Liggy> the worst case scenario is that nothing happens
[2014-08-04 00:27:22] <Maestro> Ok.
[2014-08-04 00:27:24] <Maestro> What if they don'
[2014-08-04 00:27:27] <Maestro> t exist.
[2014-08-04 00:27:35] <Liggy> [00:27:17 EDT]   Liggy   the worst case scenario is that nothing happens
[2014-08-04 00:27:36] <Liggy> and we move on
[2014-08-04 00:27:41] <fank009> ...
[2014-08-04 00:27:51] <Maestro> So we waste a day and a lynch?
[2014-08-04 00:27:51] <fank009> hello, GAMBITS
[2014-08-04 00:27:55] <Liggy> what no
[2014-08-04 00:28:02] <Liggy> why would we waste a lynch
[2014-08-04 00:28:05] <Liggy> if no one claims
[2014-08-04 00:28:18] <fank009> wolves know which roles arent in the game...
[2014-08-04 00:28:21] <Liggy> I don't get what is so hard about this
[2014-08-04 00:28:22] <Maestro> Fine, that's 1 possible strategy.
[2014-08-04 00:28:23] <fank009> if masons arent in the game, they will claim them.
[2014-08-04 00:28:28] <Maestro> Which banks on only one wolf.
[2014-08-04 00:28:42] <Maestro> We still another two to deal with.
[2014-08-04 00:28:47] <fank009> ^
[2014-08-04 00:28:50] <Liggy> dear god
[2014-08-04 00:28:54] <fank009> find one, find the partners.
[2014-08-04 00:28:58] <Liggy> are you seriously suggesting that we not execute this plan
[2014-08-04 00:29:00] <fank009> classic scum hunting.
[2014-08-04 00:29:06] <Liggy> because it doesn't immediately give us every wolf?
[2014-08-04 00:29:06] <fank009> you can suggest it.
[2014-08-04 00:29:37] <Maestro> WHat if the mason s are real, but they don't get wolfed?
[2014-08-04 00:29:46] <fank009> GAMBITS
[2014-08-04 00:29:47] <Maestro> You say we just ignore them for the rest of the game?
[2014-08-04 00:29:55] <Liggy> more or less, yes
[2014-08-04 00:29:59] <fank009> (I feel like i'll be saying that a lot this game.)
[2014-08-04 00:30:03] <Liggy> however we should be aware that if one is a wolf, the other is
[2014-08-04 00:30:10] <Liggy> and if we kill two wolves the masons are confirmed
[2014-08-04 00:30:39] <Liggy> there is no way this can be bad for us
[2014-08-04 00:30:51] <Liggy> the worst possible outcome is exactly the same as not asking for claims at all
[2014-08-04 00:30:53] <Maestro> What about a wolf painter.
[2014-08-04 00:30:58] <Liggy> what about it?
[2014-08-04 00:31:04] <Maestro> There's cardflips.
[2014-08-04 00:31:13] <fank009> ^
[2014-08-04 00:31:19] <Liggy> and?
[2014-08-04 00:31:20] <Maestro> And in this game it's very easy for the wolves to skew the results.
[2014-08-04 00:31:34] <fank009> ^this.
[2014-08-04 00:31:43] <Liggy> ...and?
[2014-08-04 00:32:09] <Liggy> also:
[2014-08-04 00:32:11] <Liggy> [12:31:37 AM] Aaron George: mashi how does wolf painter affect cardflips if you flip the role
[2014-08-04 00:32:11] <Liggy> [12:31:57 AM] Mashi: It doesn't affect flips.
[2014-08-04 00:32:17] <Maestro> If masons were to claim, you're giving the wolves the night to formulate a counter stragtegy.
[2014-08-04 00:32:27] <Liggy> wtf
[2014-08-04 00:32:31] <Maestro> Well then.
[2014-08-04 00:32:40] <Liggy> so we should go for a plan
[2014-08-04 00:32:52] <Liggy> because the wolves might be able to form a counter strategy?
[2014-08-04 00:32:58] <fank009> ...
[2014-08-04 00:33:23] <Maestro> Well if painting doesn't effect card flips then this is much better sounding.
[2014-08-04 00:34:01] <Liggy> I don't see how having painting affecting card flips mattered at all here
[2014-08-04 00:34:11] <fank009> Wolf Painter - Can target one Player each Night Phase via PM to the Host, with a color (red, blue, or green) included in this PM. That Player will appear that color to seers and cardflips for the current Night Phase and following Day Phase. Can self-target.
[2014-08-04 00:34:25] <Maestro> Uh.
[2014-08-04 00:34:27] <fank009> Hello... SETUPS
[2014-08-04 00:34:35] <Maestro> That's what I was thinking.
[2014-08-04 00:34:54] <fank009> just paint a mason green or red
[2014-08-04 00:34:54] <Maestro> But Mashi just contradicted himself.
[2014-08-04 00:34:54] <fank009> ^
[2014-08-04 00:35:10] <fank009> I'll chat with you all later
[2014-08-04 00:35:14] <fank009> ciao
[2014-08-04 00:35:17] <Maestro> Later.
[2014-08-04 00:35:18] <Liggy> what
[2014-08-04 00:35:20] <Liggy> but
[2014-08-04 00:35:24] <Liggy> painting a mason green or red
[2014-08-04 00:35:27] <Liggy> doesn't really change anything
[2014-08-04 00:35:29] |<-- fank009 has left link.nfnet.org (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
[2014-08-04 00:35:30] <Liggy> nvm
[2014-08-04 00:35:39] <Liggy> doesn't really matter though
[2014-08-04 00:36:39] <Maestro> Look, my issue with claims is that it opens up a whole can of worms for the long game.
[2014-08-04 00:37:02] <Liggy> my reasoning is that it can only help us if we don't be stupid about it
[2014-08-04 00:37:22] <Maestro> Imagine this:
[2014-08-04 00:37:25] <Maestro> Masons claim.
[2014-08-04 00:37:31] <Maestro> They live through the night.
[2014-08-04 00:37:38] <Maestro> You say we leave them be.
[2014-08-04 00:37:58] <Maestro> What do we do with that information?
[2014-08-04 00:38:07] <Liggy> until we deem one of them is suspicious enough to be lynched
[2014-08-04 00:38:12] <Maestro> Keep in mind another two people would have died.
[2014-08-04 00:38:16] <Liggy> one of two things:
[2014-08-04 00:38:26] <Liggy> if two wolves are dead, the masons are confirmed humans and we treat them as such
[2014-08-04 00:39:17] <Maestro> I say we just leave claims alone for the moment.
[2014-08-04 00:39:18] <Liggy> if one of the masons is suspicious enough to be lynched, whatever side he flips is also his partners
[2014-08-04 00:39:27] <Liggy> I say there's no reason why not
[2014-08-04 00:39:34] <Maestro> Fine
[2014-08-04 00:39:36] <Maestro> Suggest it.
[2014-08-04 00:40:01] <Maestro> If that is the plan you want to go with, argue for it.
[2014-08-04 00:40:05] <Maestro> I'm saying I don't like it.
[2014-08-04 00:40:22] <Maestro> In the meantime, what do we do?
[2014-08-04 00:40:35] <Maestro> Also, what if one of the masons claims but the other doesn't?
[2014-08-04 00:40:43] <Maestro> Say he's inactive or something?
[2014-08-04 00:42:38] <Liggy> what
[2014-08-04 00:42:52] <Liggy> one mason claims with both names
[2014-08-04 00:43:14] <Maestro> Yes, but the other person would have to back it up.
[2014-08-04 00:43:30] <Liggy> if the other person is so inactive they have no idea what is going on the thread or can't post a simple post like "Mason here." then they are getting replaced by the end of the phase anyways.
[2014-08-04 00:43:50] <Liggy> also we go on like normal while waiting for a claim
[2014-08-04 00:43:56] <Liggy> and we go one like normal after receiving the claim
[2014-08-04 00:44:01] <Maestro> ALright.

[close]

There's more of this log I can post, however most of it was idle banter waiting for the game to pick up.  I'll gladly post it if asked, however the only people who really said much was me, Maestro (who has been replaced), and fank (who in my experience is cryptic regardless of his role, and last night was no exception).

[Funnygurl555]

Funnygurl: newcomer, mashi's friend... I'm a bit intimidated I'll admit, jumpy style yet she (from what I take) knows what she is doing. would vote for pressure, but I would love to see her (antics) for day 2

someone... intimidated by me? *honored*

Anyway, in spirit of D1 antics,
Olimar, HOW DARE YOU VOTE ME grr >=(

[Olimar12345]

^Lol, its a safety. I'll change it when I find a better person to vote for d: