[3DS] Pokemon X/Y - "Emma's Theme"

[SlowPokemon]

You bring up some good points. It's hard to hate Hans Zimmer when his music sounds so compelling, but it's also hard for me not to harbor resentment for someone who just sits back on autopilot for all of his projects, producing music that has about five seconds' worth of thought. Pirates is actually his most complex works, and there's very little substance even there. And it's funny, the pieces that are usually my favorite in those scores weren't even written by Zimmer.

[FierceDeity]

My least favorite part is that he has so many arrangers working for him. I mean, it's kind of inevitable in a Hollywood-scale project with the timelines they're given that big composers resort to this practice (Jon Williams does it too), but it still bothers me that all of that work receives one big "Composed by Hans Zimmer" label, leading to a shitload of people I know who adore him not even realizing that this practice occurs :/

[SlowPokemon]

Yeah, on his score for The Holiday he's only the sole composer for two tracks lol.

[Jet Blankett]

I have to agree with you there. I was surprised at the complete lack of melody in many of the battle themes... They were nowhere near as nostalgic as the music from Black/White. I must admit, they are yet to find a good balance of orchestral and techno in the series. BW was bordering the techno side too much and BW2 just went over the top... XD To date, the most exciting soundtrack I've heard would be Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald and HeartGold/SoulSiver soundtracks. THEY were great! So, when they do another remake, they should be even better, OR ELSE!

There is literally zero melody in the gym leader battle theme, it's just boring chord changes. The beat and percussive sounds keep things okay but from a musical standpoint, that piece is terrible.

100% agree with you both! And I enjoy the music from Diamond/Pearl overall probably the most, but I enjoy R/S/E and B/W (except Alder's battle theme...not impressed) as well. X/Y ruined my Gym Leader and E4 battle themes...I want percussion, sure. But melody!! And I agree that B2/W2 were beginning to get too techno (e.g. the Team Plasma theme from B/W was awesome, the one from B2/W2...not so much...still better than Team Flare's, though). A perfect illustration of the difference from Gens I-V to Gen VI can be found here (listen for melody):

I found myself in the X/Y E4 theme to be expecting a cool melody to appear out of nowhere...and was sadly disappointed...X/Y music was hit or miss for me. A lot of misses, but a few really good hits (Emma's theme for example)

[FireArrow]

You bring up some good points. It's hard to hate Hans Zimmer when his music sounds so compelling, but it's also hard for me not to harbor resentment for someone who just sits back on autopilot for all of his projects, producing music that has about five seconds' worth of thought. Pirates is actually his most complex works, and there's very little substance even there. And it's funny, the pieces that are usually my favorite in those scores weren't even written by Zimmer.

Just because he reuses it a lot doesn't make it less musical; though I agree that it does makes the soundtrack a lot less engaging as a musician (it's just listening to the same song over and over again...)

I'm assuming that's what you mean by "sits back on autopilot" as if you look at "He's a Pirate" as an individual song, it's pretty good.

[Yugi]

still better than Team Flare's, though)

[SlowPokemon]

Just because he reuses it a lot doesn't make it less musical; though I agree that it does makes the soundtrack a lot less engaging as a musician (it's just listening to the same song over and over again...)

I'm assuming that's what you mean by "sits back on autopilot" as if you look at "He's a Pirate" as an individual song, it's pretty good.

Er, no you totally misunderstood me. I mean that his music is ridiculously simple from a musical standpoint, very much including the "He's a Pirate" theme. Reusing or rearranging music doesn't change its musical complexity.

[FireArrow]

Eh, excuse my ignorance then.

[fingerz]

Sorry that we're not any closer to getting someone to arrange this for you, FireArrow... XD

Great conversation though, guys! It's very true that music is subjective to all of us. I do appreciate what was trying to be created with the new battle music for X/Y, but there's more scope for development to include melody and a soundscape. I'm sure the composers for GameFreak will only keep getting better!

[FireArrow]

Sorry that we're not any closer to getting someone to arrange this for you, FireArrow... XD

Haha, as a thanks for letting me use this thread, I'll take your request Jet Blankett. :3

[Jet Blankett]

Haha, as a thanks for letting me use this thread, I'll take your request Jet Blankett. :3

no prob. Thanks!

[Jompa]

Not to discourage anyone from arranging it, but I found this (though (this is me being picky) I don't think this arrangement serves the original song well enough...):
http://www.mediafire.com/view/9a2426kjoua6cc7/looker%2527s%2520farewell.pdf

[FireArrow]

The first half is almost identical to what I have (probably better), but the second part is missing some voices. I'll see if I can finish it today (don't get your hopes up.)

[FireArrow]

Emma's Theme: [PDF][MUS][MIDI]

[Jet Blankett]

Emma's Theme: [PDF][MUS][MIDI]

thanks!!