TWG LXII: This Game Is Encouraging When It Comes To Activity

[FireArrow]

pew pew vermillionvermin pew pew

23:19       fank009   He goes for the chicken option of chucking the bomb, and then goes for the pro human plan of staying on odds...
23:19   FireArrow   I'll just say "based on what we discussed in chat" lolk
23:19   fank009   chat was basically POE xD
23:19   FireArrow   idc it's easier
23:19   Maestro   Oh, his plan was mine, but with no risk to him.
23:19   fank009   ^
23:19   fank009   exactly.
23:20   FireArrow   I'll just copy this log?
23:20   fank009   (mind you was in a somewhat similar format)
23:20   fank009   if you want to

To fill you in askalice, it seems like the list of people to kill from are me/thiannon/maestro/BDS/liggy. Fank will be posting a list soon which may be helpful to go by (I think I'm at the top of it, so ewwww.) Though everyone besides me seems to think we should only kill one person, in which case, you'd shoot verm too (seems like the agreed opinion right now.)

[fank009]

Thoughts/cases/leans

1. BlackDragonSlayer
BDS, has been a little, somewhat jumpy... during d1 he was as jumpy as a fly but now that its day 2 and everything is calm, he seems to be a bit mellow. Most of the damming evidence against him stems from this quote...

The only reason I could see for missing a wolfing (since the wolves would likely know that people weren't inactive) is that there's a slightly greater lynching/bomb pool, so that chance that a wolf is killed is slightly less.

BDS himself has said it, and now that I look at it again, I agree, it IS a stupid reason, Is it wolfish? maybe, should it be considered? yes. is it damming? No. Verm jumped on it in the beginning, and everyone else jumped on the wagon later on... A part of me feels like he's being setup for a lynch, and if it is, it would come from one of askalice (1st one suspicious, only on this list because of that...), verm, and bird.  Other than that, as verm said (scratch one off that list... )

2. Greg
MIA night one, comes off the bat with the plan to give it to the most human people for the item, then (after a little chat with yours truly) promises to hold onto it (only to give it a way),
Something interesting which I feel needs to be pointed out...

What Bird is referring to is the fact that if the wolves killed someone this night phase, if kills are normal for the rest of the game, the wolves win one phase earlier on a day phase, which makes no difference (since wolves control the night phase kill). They're using this as a misdirection tactic, most likely.

just a note, greg stayed under the radar, in this whole "wolves know whats happening with the no wolfing" saga. all while having the same opinion as BDS. While the original lean on him was for planning to keep the bomb, that has since become mute, and as well as (imo) having poor cases everywhere (lol prosecution solving the case for the defence xD). Nothing else that is significant/caught my eye... (Needs a reread)

3. Thiannon- Under my radar, Not enough info to please the people AND write a case for/against humanity at the same time (needs a reread


4. askalice23- Seems to be popular opinion human, yet... Signs of dumbtelling/underestimating ones abilitiy, at the beginning of day 1.

I guess I'm a rookie again lol. To me makes very little sense then again I have no idea who I'm playing against.

maybe im looking for a lynch (hey look a wolf tell...) Offered some nice thoughts...
(if you read the rest of the post that I quoted...) he makes some good points against people... And definetly put his back into wolfhunting (imo)


5. Liggy- Inactive, chat really the only thing to go on.


6. vermilionvermin- Verm I've been having mixed thoughts, He goes for the chicken option of chucking the bomb, and then goes for the pro human plan of staying on odds... Although, Last time I called him when he played like this he was a human though, So most of the reads are null... Specific quotes need another read (so need to get this list out)

7. blueflower999- Needs another read, 1st thought Im not really convinced that blueflower is a wolf (considering other things...) but still a possibility, the q is, who's the partner. Going for liggy was definetly wolf behaviour (and warranted a vote imo) but as said earlier, who's the partner? more reading needed, (need to reread the other posts :/)

8. FireArrow- A sneaky beggar, Basically my case against humanity for Firearrow spems from a few things,
-the attack on nocturne night 1
-The vote for blueflower (see above about wolfish behaviour)
-a sense of dumbtelling when responding to me, (the quote is more alongthelines of "@fank you say that like Im an experienced TWGer"
-going for 3 deaths (earlier on today)
Basically, Firearrow has been following the basic (mine?) formula for success as a wolf, (- the no wolfing???)
The only thing that doesnt make sense is the no wolfing... and who might pull that off, More rereading needed for that partner/clears but I have enough for a case so far.

9. MaestroUGC-

Everyone... Is forgetting ONE major detail...

And that is,
There was no wolfing N1

Wolves, knew then, that they could make the game evens...
This game IS in evens now, but, Humans have one more lynch than they should in "optimal" play (I know, if anything, no one plays optimally here...)
WHY, Would Wolves, Possibly give humans another mislynch???

Why would maestro, offer to lynch the bombholders for evens, when he had a wolfing to make it evens? that's all my case on him.

10. Bird- Again in the same category as verm... words cannot explain, Ive had some banter with him earlier on in the game, having a go at his ideas... They do seem a bit one sided and contradictory... wanting maestros blood after agreeing with his plan (initally) on day 1... bird is flip flap floppy and (while this is a rough draft to bet people going to bed...) more rereading is needed, I will take a "stab in the dark though"
11. fank009- do I need to make an analysis on this guy?
12. NocturneOfShadow/Nakah-killed by wolves, popular human opinion, Nuff said


Villa.
Maestro
askalice

Leaning villa
BDS

Null reads- tossed thoughts
Verm
Bird

Null reads- No thoughts
Thia
Blueflower

Watching
Greg
Bird (wait what???!!!???)

Wolves
Firearrow (possibly not a final vote... )


Most likely scumteams
Bird/Firearrow
Greg/?
BDS/?
(thia as possibilities for both partners???)
(more reading in regards to scumteams needed)

Psst firearrow, I wanted more log than that :/ (will post that next)

[fank009]

:/ I must be tired... should have been a blueflower instead of a bold one

[FireArrow]

What, besides your suspicion of me, that list isn't very resemblant of your opinions in chat (your top leads are in "null reads".) I guess it's a good case for your humanity though, considering a wolf wouldn't got through the efforts of making something that huge.

[vermilionvermin]

I didn't go with the chicken option on the bomb.  You lynched the player I threw the bomb at against my wishes and he wasn't going to be lynched when I threw it.  I expect better play from you if you're human, fank.

[fank009]

What, besides your suspicion of me, that list isn't very resemblant of your opinions in chat (your top leads are in "null reads".) I guess it's a good case for your humanity though, considering a wolf wouldn't got through the efforts of making something that huge.

... of my lists, you were always "my top lead"...
a list of the private chats I had

all the logs

04:11:14: <fank009> ...
04:31:10: <fank009> hi maestro...
04:31:24: <Maestro> Yo.
04:31:25: <fank009> about the only one here who I can FULLY put my trust in :/
04:31:38: <Maestro> I'm probably going to die.
04:31:39: <fank009> Especially...
04:31:39: <fank009> i think its stupid that us two are at the top of the lynch pile...
04:31:48: <fank009> after everything thats happened
04:31:50: <fank009> ^
04:31:52: <fank009> you and me both...
04:31:56: <fank009> given whats happened,
04:31:58: <Maestro> Eh.
04:32:05: <Maestro> It happens.
04:32:05: <fank009> you and me being wolves dont make sense...
04:32:07: <fank009> and greg as well...
04:32:17: <fank009> his argument for me being a wolf is actually the reverse.
04:32:22: <Maestro> My money is that Verm's a wolf.
04:32:25: <fank009> nah
04:32:31: <Maestro> Think about it.
04:32:31: <fank009> verms more than likely human
04:32:33: <fank009> I think
04:32:37: <fank009> Fire arrow is a wolf
04:32:39: <fank009> though
04:32:42: <fank009> I have...
04:32:43: <Maestro> He had a plan that was almost identical to mine.
04:32:56: <Maestro> The only difference is that he threw his bomb to someone else.
04:32:59: <fank009> he did back out of it...
04:33:15: <fank009> the stupid thing is...
04:33:17: <Maestro> Yes.
04:33:20: <fank009> that plan is so pro town...
04:33:22: <Maestro> But he still threw it.
04:33:23: <fank009> it isnt funny :/
04:33:26: <fank009> yeah
04:33:33: <fank009> (greg threw his bomb as well...
04:33:44: <fank009> and with the lateset craziness im getting second thoughts
04:33:58: <Maestro> Yeah.
04:33:59: <fank009> verm I need to reread cause I think i may have something of his that is a human quality.
04:34:09: <fank009> FA on the other hand, I have a case for.
04:34:10: <Maestro> Well I haven't been able to keep up with the game all weekend.
04:34:15: <fank009> "
04:34:17: <fank009> :/
04:34:32: <Maestro> And since I'm about to die anyway, I'm just going to sit back and let it hapopen.
04:34:44: <fank009> like i said...
04:34:54: <fank009> (or am going to say...)(
04:34:58: <fank009> most pro town ever...
04:35:04: <fank009> the only reason Im fighting...
04:35:18: <fank009> ...^there i go again with the jargon xD
04:35:22: <fank009> as i was saying
04:35:26: <fank009> the only reason Im fighting...
04:35:41: <fank009> is that I dont trust humans to follow through and get the job done...
04:35:51: <fank009> (exhibit A- Last game :/)
04:36:17: <fank009> but yeah... as I was saying...
04:36:25: <fank009> at the moment, I think FA is one...
04:36:44: <fank009> I have a good case, (which I'll detail in my next post)
04:36:50: <fank009> but the basics of it are....
04:36:50: <Maestro> Cool.
04:36:59: <Maestro> I'm still probably getting lynched.
04:37:01: <fank009> -the original going on at nocturne
04:37:06: <fank009> probably :/
04:37:11: <Maestro> You know, this game was supposed to be about activity.
04:37:16: <Maestro> And I've barely played.
04:37:18: <fank009> -the vote against blueflower
04:37:22: <Maestro> Go figure.
04:37:29: <fank009> -wanting 3 to die today
04:37:40: <fank009> and a hint of dumbtelling in response to me.
04:38:03: <Maestro> Less deaths is always the best for humans.
04:38:11: <fank009> yeah...
04:38:15: <Maestro> Anybody who argues otherwise is either stupid or a wolf.
04:38:20: <Maestro> Or both.
04:38:27: <fank009> the more that die from wolves hand... the more info we get.
04:38:44: <Maestro> Exactly.
04:38:54: <Maestro> Waddles forcing more day deaths, though.
04:39:08: <fank009> ...
04:39:17: <fank009> i think day 3 is going to be quiet...
04:39:25: <Maestro> I doubt it.
04:39:39: <fank009> The list for each day should have been given to mashi n1...
04:39:48: <Maestro> It was.
04:39:51: <Maestro> Says Waddle.
04:39:56: <fank009> and day 3 (optimally) should have 4...
04:39:59: <fank009> (true...)
04:40:10: <Maestro> So fr this game's progression has been designed to favor the wolves.
04:40:37: <Maestro> multiple day deaths, no real way to combat the wolves.
04:40:46: <Maestro> During the night phases.
04:40:48: <fank009> yep
04:40:58: <Maestro> Sure, we had wolfsbane.
04:41:08: <Maestro> But it's only useful if the wolves don't know who has it.
04:41:53: <fank009> http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5956.msg231918#msg231918
04:42:13: <fank009> verm made a comment earlier about me being wrong...
04:42:20: <fank009> Can you say that now??? :DF
04:42:32: <fank009> (of course... that quote is only damming :/)
04:43:35: <Maestro> Well I need to get to bed.
04:43:41: <fank009> k
04:43:44: <fank009> take care...
04:43:46: <Maestro> I'll probably be dead in the morning.
04:43:48: <fank009> and vote for FA
04:43:49: <Maestro> Later.
04:43:53: <Maestro> Nah.
04:43:55: <Maestro> I'm good.
04:43:56: <fank009> ...
04:43:58: <fank009> :/
04:44:00: <Maestro> Too much effort.
04:44:03: <fank009> xD
04:44:08: <Maestro> I didn't even vote day 1.
04:44:13: <fank009> you vote, I'll worry about the effort
04:44:15: <fank009> xD
04:44:15: <Maestro> Why break a pattern?
04:44:18: <fank009> true
04:44:22: <fank009> night
05:28:23: <Firearrow> bleh
05:28:37: <Firearrow> I had to go all the way to the Game of Wolves thread to find a link to this
05:32:35: <BlackDragonSlayer> More people... somewhat...
05:33:08: <Firearrow> ehh
05:33:08: <fank009> ...
05:33:12: <Firearrow> BIRD I SUMMON YOU
05:33:14: <fank009> where did everyone come from...
05:33:17: <Firearrow> O:
05:33:24: <Firearrow> narnia
05:33:26: <fank009> anyway...
05:33:29: <fank009> xD
05:33:33: <fank009> as I was saying...
05:33:40: <fank009> I am going through the player list...
05:33:50: <fank009> and putting thoughts on each player,
05:33:54: <Firearrow> yay
05:33:56: <fank009> then I will put a vote...
05:34:02: <fank009> but I want the lot of you,
05:34:02: <Firearrow> hopefully
05:34:07: <fank009> state your case of humanity
05:34:11: <Firearrow> Uh
05:34:14: <fank009> bird included
05:34:30: <Firearrow> I'm really super human 'n stuff
05:35:12: <Firearrow> I'd like to point out
05:35:12: <BlackDragonSlayer> My main case for humanity (excluding getting angry ) is that my actions contradict all logical plans people would have for me as a wolf (unless I'm clueless, which I should hope I'm not ).
05:35:24: <Firearrow> That askalice and I are incompatible wolf partners
05:35:34: <BlackDragonSlayer> Reasons?
05:35:35: <Firearrow> because waddle would never give 2 wolves the darts
05:35:41: <Firearrow> even if it's random
05:35:50: <fank009> My main case for humanity (excluding getting angry ) is that my actions contradict all logical plans people would have for me as a wolf (unless I'm clueless, which I should hope I'm not ).
05:35:55: <fank009> I can use that line too BDS
05:36:18: <BlackDragonSlayer> Hrm, good point... but then again, if you didn't follow what people said, you'd likely be lynched... so it's possible, still, just highly unlikely.
05:37:07: <BlackDragonSlayer> (e.g. if people agreed that you should hit person A, but you hit person B instead).
05:37:45: <Firearrow> bird get over here D:
05:38:04: <fank009> :/
05:38:12: <fank009> chores chores and even more chores...
05:38:16: <fank009> this might take a while :/
05:38:17: <Firearrow> ?
05:38:24: <Firearrow> He's doing chores lol?
05:38:34: <BlackDragonSlayer> You can get people in chat, but you can't always get them to talk...
05:38:44: <Firearrow> ^pfft
05:40:10: <Firearrow> fank, you think like me... but better. Who's your biggest lean?
05:40:20: <Firearrow> I really need to decide who to shoot within the next hour
05:40:58: <Firearrow> and I don't really see the danger of lylo because I still think blue was a wolf
05:41:42: <BlackDragonSlayer> SHOOT BIRD
05:41:44: <BlackDragonSlayer>
05:41:47: <BlackDragonSlayer> GET MEAT
05:41:48: <BlackDragonSlayer>
05:41:48: <Firearrow> I
05:41:57: <Firearrow> Í'm gonna if he never shows up :/
05:43:34: <Firearrow> Well, I won't shoot you BDS, because at least you talk lol
05:45:10: <fank009> ...
05:45:18: <fank009> I would suggest you wait till after my post,
05:45:28: <fank009> but if I had to pick
05:46:38: <fank009> I would pick one of bird/thia
05:47:05: <Firearrow> Out of those 2 I'd go with thia
05:47:11: <Firearrow> bird seems really human to me
05:47:25: <fank009> he could be playing you
05:47:32: <fank009> (or you us xD)
05:48:09: <Firearrow> idk, he seems to be playing exactly the same as before XD
05:48:27: <fank009> last game he was a wolf xD
05:49:01: <Firearrow> he was!?
05:49:08: <Firearrow> I didn't play last game
05:49:08: <Firearrow> but
05:49:12: <Firearrow> now I'm scared lol
05:49:31: <BlackDragonSlayer> bird, oh birrrrdddd... might want to start talking...
05:49:51: <fank009> he was doing that yesterday as well :/
05:50:54: <Firearrow> crap, now I want him dead... how does verm play as a wolf?
05:51:16: <fank009> ive never seen a wolf game from verm...
05:51:32: <bird> I'm back
05:51:34: <bird> Yay lots of people here
05:51:36: <bird> Let's pick somebody to lynch!
05:51:38: <Firearrow> THANK YOU
05:51:46: <Firearrow> you have a lot to catch up on
05:51:53: <Firearrow> well, not really lol
05:52:01: <bird> How much longer are you guys staying here?
05:52:11: <Firearrow> an hour? idk
05:52:18: <Firearrow> It's the weekend and it's 10:00
05:52:20: <Firearrow> idc
05:52:33: <bird> we can work with that!
05:52:41: <bird> Who is your dart currently set on FireArrow?
05:52:57: <Firearrow> It was on maestro, but it might be thia now
05:53:23: <bird> Let's talk Thiannon
05:53:32: <bird> One thing he mentioned that really sticks out to me:
05:53:33: <Firearrow> ok
05:53:41: <bird> After there was no wolfing, he complained about it and said that it shouldn't be allowed.
05:53:49: <bird> Which makes me wonder if he would have done that.
05:54:05: <fank009> or his partner forced him to be quiet??
05:54:06: <Firearrow> Like he made the opposite reaction to try and trick us?
05:54:10: <fank009> ^
05:54:21: <bird> I think that's a possiblity.
05:54:31: <bird> Let me see how he worded it exactly
05:54:43: <Firearrow> He wasn't really all that active early on either
05:55:03: <bird> In the meantime, BlackDragonSlayer maybe you can explain why you want me dead so much?
05:55:15: <fank009> Im still in the middle of accessing everyone.. (I feel like im going to be here for a week :/)
05:55:41: <Firearrow> Haha, I don't know how you do it. I prefer to look at people one at a time lol
05:56:50: <fank009> eh
05:57:00: <fank009> less than 200 posts is nothing
05:57:10: <Firearrow> ._.
05:57:16: <BlackDragonSlayer> The way you agreed with Maestro's plan, firstly, something that risked sacrificing the item.
05:57:19: <bird> Thiannon is also being particularly jokey this game
05:57:33: <bird> He asked to be wolfed and said for us to guess the day 1 effect
05:57:34: <BlackDragonSlayer> Secondly, I feel as if you've been acting a bit unusual for this game.
05:57:49: <bird> well i agreed with like, 3 different plans on day 1
05:57:52: <bird> i can't not lynch everyone!
05:57:52: <fank009> how is it like last game ?
05:57:59: <Firearrow> Is that how he usually acts as a wolf bird?
05:58:09: <bird> I'm about to cross check it with games where he was a wolf
05:58:13: <bird> I don't know if it means anything
05:58:18: <bird> BDS how have I been acting differently?
05:58:24: <Firearrow> Was he ever a wolf on nsm?
05:58:46: <bird> I don't think so.
05:58:51: <bird> I can show you games where he was a wolf though.
05:59:04: <Firearrow> mmk
06:00:52: <bird> god its taking forever to find a game where he's a wolf
06:00:54: <bird> i've gone through like 10
06:01:48: <Firearrow> xD
06:03:01: <BlackDragonSlayer> Including the agreeance with Maestro's plan (which, looking over your posts again, seems to be one of the only plans you agreed with), as well as your suspicion list, which I felt provided somewhat shoddy reasons for a few people (), cont...
06:03:08: <bird> like who
06:03:28: <BlackDragonSlayer> http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5956.msg232043#msg232043
06:03:31: <BlackDragonSlayer> My two posts there.
06:04:02: <bird> oh
06:04:05: <bird> Didn't I basically explain that though?
06:04:17: <bird> I said I don't really know how to distinguish who in my top 6 should be wolfed
06:04:22: <bird> I just knew that I didn't want anyone in the bottom 6 to die
06:05:14: <Firearrow> Can we talk verm for a sec?
06:05:16: <bird> http://www.llforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=688
06:05:22: <bird> oh yeah
06:05:32: <bird> verm and thiannon are probably both good picks for darts
06:05:43: <bird> I think it's interesting how much verm has focused on stupid mechanics and how little he has focused on who is actually suspicious
06:05:59: <bird> Especially during a ballot box phase which he should know better than anyone else requires a lot of activity to get a lynch done!
06:06:08: <fank009> ^
06:06:08: <Firearrow> ^this so much
06:06:10: <fank009> Mind you...
06:06:17: <fank009> I did that one time as a human...
06:06:22: <bird> Also that linked game has Thiannon as a wolf. He plays as "Fiver" on that forum.
06:06:23: <Firearrow> Plus is suspicoun list had odd reasoning
06:06:30: <Firearrow> kk
06:06:52: <Firearrow> and your savy-sauce? lol
06:07:12: <bird> Yep!
06:07:29: <BlackDragonSlayer> Considering verm's plan with the PMs, and his suspicion *lists*, I disagree with that opinion, Bird.
06:07:49: <Firearrow> his suspicion lists suck lol
06:07:50: <bird> his first list was basically worthless
06:08:02: <bird> did he post another?
06:08:17: <BlackDragonSlayer> #1: http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5956.msg232000#msg232000
06:08:23: <fank009> I did that one time as a human...
06:08:23: <fank009> got lynched for it xD
06:08:23: <fank009> (considering the one game where I got lynched here ... xD)
06:08:23: <fank009> ...
06:08:23: <fank009> I want everyones...
06:08:23: <fank009> Thoughts on maestro...
06:08:23: <fank009> and why he is a wolf.
06:08:23: <fank009> (or a useless human, either or)
06:08:23: <fank009> somewhat
06:08:23: <fank009> at the end of the day...
06:08:23: <fank009> people who he wanted bombed/dead
06:08:39: <BlackDragonSlayer> #2: http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5956.msg232115#msg232115
06:08:43: <Firearrow> Because his activity level is really weird
06:08:59: <Firearrow> and the only thing he ever did was make a plan that only mildly helped the humans
06:09:49: <fank009> eh
06:09:56: <Firearrow> Verm is putting me so low on his suspicion lists just because of one post :/
06:09:57: <fank009> I would say its normal for verm as of late
06:10:06: <Firearrow> even though he said I looked wolfish in all my others
06:10:06: <fank009> ...
06:10:16: <Firearrow> I dunno, I find that odd lol
06:10:20: <fank009> and being low in a list is bad???
06:10:34: <Firearrow> Well, no, but he doesn't give a good reason for it
06:10:48: <bird> FireArrow, thoughts on Fank?
06:10:49: <fank009> ... setting you up for a fall???
06:11:04: <fank009> Bird... thoughts on this quote...
06:11:10: <Firearrow> fank is acting like a complete wolf, which confuses me because he's probably too good of a player to do that
06:11:16: <bird> who said that
06:11:22: <Firearrow> idk
06:11:23: <Firearrow> him lol
06:11:32: <bird> oh sorry
06:11:36: <bird> misread the author of that line
06:11:48: <fank009> http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5956.msg232306#msg232306
06:11:55: <bird> fank is a good player and acts equally incomprehensible every game!
06:12:03: <fank009> ^
06:12:12: <Firearrow> ehh
06:12:16: <fank009> I hope you comprehend this post Im going through xD
06:12:18: <Firearrow> so he's a really scary wolf then?
06:12:29: <bird> I guess. I dunno. Fank who are your top three suspects?
06:12:34: <fank009> Scary wolf/helpful villager, take your pick
06:12:46: <Firearrow> I'll take both xD
06:13:06: <fank009> My top three suspects (biased opinion) are in my who I want dead list...
06:13:17: <Firearrow> D:
06:13:19: <fank009> I havent had a time to read and post my list yet.
06:13:31: <fank009> as soon as that list goes out though
06:13:35: <fank009> that 3 will change
06:13:50: <fank009> Bird... like i said
06:13:58: <fank009> Thoughts on that Greg quote.
06:13:59: <bird> so wait who are your top three suspects
06:14:09: <Firearrow> You, me, and liggy
06:14:12: <bird> I don't see what's special about it. Do you think it makes him look suspicious?
06:14:15: <fank009> known at this point of time,
06:14:15: <Firearrow> but he said it changed so idk
06:14:17: <fank009> ...
06:14:26: <fank009> you dont see it do you?
06:14:31: <fank009> greg has a suspicion on me,
06:14:42: <fank009> for voting blueflower last phase,
06:14:44: <Firearrow> how dare he?
06:14:47: <fank009> yet he posts that.
06:14:56: <Firearrow> lol he voted blue too
06:14:59: <bird> Well he pointed out that he was arguing against himself
06:15:11: <bird> I don't think it means much though.
06:15:23: <bird> I was human in a recent game, and ended up lynching somebody for reasons that applied equally to myself
06:15:34: <bird> But I knew I was human, so a little hypocrisy didn't matter
06:15:45: <fank009> ...
06:15:59: <Firearrow> Did the person end up being human or wolf?
06:16:10: <bird> lets see
06:16:18: <bird> oh wait they didn't get lynched
06:16:23: <Firearrow> Fiver seems to like to talk about game mechanics as a wolf
06:16:31: <bird> i ended up changing my vote to a wolf though
06:16:38: <Firearrow> hehe
06:16:44: <BlackDragonSlayer>
06:16:50: <bird> Anyway, I think Thiannon is emerging as my favorite lynch candidate
06:17:13: <Firearrow> I still think liggy > thia, but we have multiple kills so w/e
06:17:20: <fank009> who's fiver again?
06:17:21: <bird> I remember why I sort of didn't think verm was a wolf earlier
06:17:25: <bird> Fiver = Thiannon
06:17:34: <fank009> ohkay
06:17:39: <bird> Verm's first list wasn't in order, but it did have good reasoning for every player.
06:17:48: <bird> A lot of them were the ones I was simultaneously stumbling upon when I made my own list.
06:18:06: <bird> Plus I would feel bad if we SURPRISE LYNCHED him
06:18:26: <Firearrow> lol, we're kinda doing the same to thia
06:18:37: <fank009> either way...
06:18:42: <fank009> it would be a SUPRISE
06:18:52: <fank009> speaking about suprises...
06:19:19: <fank009> at this point of time, due to my thought process,
06:19:21: <bird> well thiannon has his girlfriend over this week
06:19:23: <bird> so he has that at least
06:19:26: <fank009> FireArrow is more than likely a wolf.
06:19:33: <bird> ?
06:19:34: <Firearrow> hi
06:19:37: <bird> what brings you to that conclusion
06:19:41: <fank009> and someone Who I want Dead this phase.
06:19:52: <fank009> I have a few points.
06:20:00: <Firearrow> Well you can probably get askalice to shoot me
06:20:01: bird awaits eagerly.
06:20:15: <Firearrow> she's suspicious too
06:20:45: <fank009> -the opener, having a go at nocturne (which I applauded)
06:21:07: <fank009> (cant remember the whole list, gave it to maestro earlier though...)
06:22:11: <Firearrow> uh, elaborate please?
06:22:24: <Firearrow> something about paranoia right?
06:22:42: <fank009> one moment, finding the logs for the other things...
06:22:47: <Firearrow> kk
06:23:19: <bird> :|
06:23:46: <fank009> here we go...
06:23:46: <Firearrow> In the meantime, let's talk about liggy?
06:23:50: <Firearrow> nvm
06:23:50: <fank009> case against FA
06:23:52: <fank009> -the vote against blueflower
06:24:02: <fank009> -wanting 3 to die today
06:24:15: <fank009> and a hint of dumbtelling in response to me.
06:24:17: <fank009> specifically...
06:24:27: <fank009> If i can find it...
06:24:33: <Firearrow> the lylo? lol I seriously didn't know what it meant
06:24:39: <bird> But didn't you also vote blueflower
06:24:47: <fank009> http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5956.msg232299#msg232299
06:25:06: <bird> wait firearrow
06:25:09: <bird> why did you think blueflower was a wolf
06:25:10: <Firearrow> yeah?
06:25:20: <Firearrow> Because after the game of thrones disaster
06:25:22: <fank009> I voted blueflower for one of two things,
06:25:25: <Firearrow> (I can't spell)
06:25:31: <bird> what disaster
06:25:37: <Firearrow> I figured out that the wolves are not the people that are really out there
06:25:41: <Firearrow> more so, the people you odn't notice
06:26:03: <Firearrow> oh, when I went on a fanks a wolf and gonna get revived thing lol
06:26:24: <bird> I guess that's reasonable, although I don't know if I agree with it!
06:26:34: <fank009> one, to save my bacon and NOT go for BDS, two, to somewhat clear myself, (note; see gregs case )
06:26:34: <bird> Some players like verm are noticeable every game, regardless of their role
06:26:44: <fank009> ^
06:26:52: <Firearrow> I guess, but I've never played a game with an active wolf before :/
06:26:55: <bird> Okay how's this
06:27:04: <bird> we lynch maestro, fire arrow darts verm/thiannon
06:27:06: <fank009> FA, you should do that more often
06:27:12: <fank009> we arent lynching maestro
06:27:17: <bird> why not
06:27:20: <fank009> not on my watch...
06:27:25: <BlackDragonSlayer> I was going to ask the same thing...
06:27:33: <bird> what makes you think he's human?
06:27:36: <fank009> I'll state my defense,
06:27:42: <fank009> you state what makes him wolfy...
06:27:46: <Firearrow> well, bird, your ruining my whole thought process!
06:27:52: <fank009> And I have $10 saying its the same answer
06:28:04: <fank009> for the "lynch the bomb holders" idea.
06:28:05: <bird> Here's my thought process:
06:28:16: <fank009> that is my defence for Maestro.
06:28:26: <fank009> Remember...
06:28:36: <bird> I want to come to a consensus right now, here in the chatroom. That means we can't lynch fank or BDS. That leaves verm, thiannon, maestro and Liggy for me.
06:28:51: <bird> I don't want to lynch the antidote holder in case askalice makes a horrible dart decision.
06:28:54: <fank009> http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5956.msg232293#msg232293
06:29:00: <bird> So we haveverm, thiannon and maestro now.
06:29:12: <bird> And maestro is the only one who had a chance to defend himself but didn't. So I don't feel bad about lynching him.
06:29:17: <bird> He's done basically nothing this game.
06:29:23: <fank009> somewhat yeah...
06:29:31: <Firearrow> ^
06:29:33: <fank009> that doesnt mean he is a wolf..
06:29:39: <fank009> more like a useless human
06:29:49: <bird> Well what other lynch options are there?
06:29:51: <fank009> and thats the only grounds I would be ok with lynching him.
06:30:04: <fank009> If you let me finish my post, I'll give you one
06:30:16: <Firearrow> So, wait, are we only lynching 2 people then?
06:30:17: <bird> okay fine
06:30:19: <bird> but make it snappy!
06:30:25: <bird> FireArrow: we don't know who askalice is darting
06:30:31: <Firearrow> ah
06:30:47: <Firearrow> I think we could win it this round if we play it right, but w/e
06:30:57: <Firearrow> btw bird, the dart shooting is public
06:31:02: <bird> oh it is?
06:31:04: <Firearrow> yeah
06:31:11: <bird> well who did alice shoot
06:31:14: <Firearrow> I post their name in light green in the thread
06:31:16: <Firearrow> no one yet
06:31:28: <fank009> bird...
06:31:39: <fank009> I believe there is still some Q's I want answered from you...
06:31:45: <fank009> (if I can find them xD)
06:31:59: <fank009> On to the next person on my list.... (Im going to be here all night :/)
06:32:01: <Firearrow> well bird and you are like my only possible wolf partners lol
06:32:11: <Firearrow> and not you anymore
06:32:28: <bird> sure ask me anything
06:32:51: <fank009> ... Im too busy reading the thread...
06:33:03: <fank009> looking for other people :/
06:33:16: <fank009> im sure it was at the close of day 1, or beginning of night 2.
06:33:17: <Firearrow> wait bird
06:33:29: <Firearrow> askalice brings up a good point
06:34:17: <Firearrow> what do you guys think of askalice btw
06:34:29: <Firearrow> I never really considered him/her
06:34:35: <bird> I think askalice is definitely human.
06:34:46: <bird> Probably the player I'm more sure of honestly.
06:34:47: <Firearrow> Why
06:34:52: <bird> One post in particular, hold on:
06:35:40: <bird> http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5956.msg231814#msg231814
06:35:55: <bird> I don't think the suggestion that play quality has gone down would have been made if askalice were a wolf.
06:35:57: <fank009> from the early days...
06:36:00: <fank009> So, people who are on pact with your leans are human, and people who arent arent??? of course, having people who agree with you is good, but isnt it more/less possible for wolves to "agree with everything"?
06:36:06: <bird> Since she would know that it was just silliness rather than a potentially catastrophic error.
06:36:07: <BlackDragonSlayer> You linked to my post...?
06:36:08: <fank009> after your suspicion list
06:36:21: <Firearrow> Oh!
06:36:35: <Firearrow> That's actually really observant!
06:36:35: <fank009> Hi maestro
06:36:39: <BlackDragonSlayer> When I clicked on it, it brought me to one of my posts...?
06:36:40: <fank009> thought you were going to sleep :/
06:36:57: <Maestro> Wow, this works on my WiiU.
06:37:03: <fank009> apparently
06:37:08: <Firearrow> ...
06:37:45: <Maestro> I can't really keep up like this, so I'll just watch.
06:38:00: <Firearrow> helpful
06:38:40: <fank009> Um Guys...
06:38:41: <Maestro> Look I'm about to die, so just be glad I'm even here.
06:38:46: <fank009> something we all missed...
06:39:00: <fank009> Greg wasnt active n1???
06:39:05: <Firearrow> !
06:39:05: <BlackDragonSlayer> Wii Mibbitian... interesting symbol...
06:40:50: <Firearrow> so...
06:40:53: <Firearrow> it's been 40 minutes
06:40:58: <Firearrow> who am I shooting?
06:41:18: <fank009> thoughts
06:41:19: <fank009> http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5956.msg231917#msg231917
06:43:18: <Firearrow> Sorry, I really don't see greg as a wolf
06:43:56: <fank009> ...
06:44:15: <fank009> For everyone against BDS
06:44:28: <fank009> whats the difference between gregs opinion and BDS's opinion???
06:44:38: <fank009> and what makes one wolfier than the other???
06:45:19: <Firearrow> Well, I'm not suspicious of either
06:45:33: <Firearrow> and I'd really prefer to make a decision soon
06:45:59: <fank009> ...
06:46:16: <fank009> Werent you just ready earlier to give a dart to BDS???
06:46:25: <Firearrow> before chat, yes
06:47:55: <fank009> I feel like maestro has no case :/
06:48:12: <Firearrow> same reason for blue
06:48:16: <fank009> and everyone's just voting him because like bird said, "Everyone wants to vote...)
06:48:34: <fank009> ^explain?
06:48:47: <Firearrow> I'll just go copy paste what I said earlier >_>
06:49:13: <Firearrow> I figured out that the wolves are not the people that are really out there 22:25   FireArrow   more so, the people you odn't notice
06:49:34: <Firearrow> but bird decided to blow that up
06:49:40: <Firearrow> though I don't think it applies to maestro
06:50:21: <bird> Ugh, I actually have to go.
06:50:25: <fank009> :/
06:50:27: <Firearrow> eww
06:50:29: <bird> But you know where I stand on most issues.
06:50:35: <Firearrow> yeah
06:50:37: <Firearrow> thia or verm
06:50:42: <bird> I'll be back in like an hour, if you guys are gone by then, just let me know who to vote for
06:50:49: <fank009> I'll still be here
06:50:53: <bird> woo!
06:50:56: <bird> okay talk to you then
06:50:57: <Firearrow> I'm still leaving my vote on liggy though
06:51:04: <fank009> hopefully my list is finished
06:54:24: <Maestro> Why does the antidote save from lynching?
06:54:49: <BlackDragonSlayer> ...lynching?
06:55:04: <fank009>
06:55:07: <fank009> It does?
06:55:08: <BlackDragonSlayer> I thought the antidote saved from poisoning from the darts.
06:55:16: <fank009> ^
06:55:24: <BlackDragonSlayer> WAIT WHAT
06:55:25: <BlackDragonSlayer>
06:56:23: <BlackDragonSlayer> http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5956.msg232398#msg232398
06:56:23: <BlackDragonSlayer> :O
06:56:31: <BlackDragonSlayer> :s
06:56:38: <Maestro> This is stupid.
06:56:47: <Firearrow> WHAT?!
06:56:53: <Maestro> Thanks for the info.
06:56:54: <BlackDragonSlayer> Does that even make logical sense.
06:57:07: <Maestro> No it doesnt.
06:57:11: <Firearrow> well, no point in voting liggy?
06:57:20: <Firearrow> fank get your butt over here lol
06:57:51: <fank009> ...
06:58:10: <fank009> WAIT WHATTTTTTTTT!
06:58:22: <Maestro> Not only did Waddle not explain this mechanic, but he did so far too late in the phase.
06:58:37: <fank009> I'll slap him for you...
06:58:52: <fank009> no one asked?
06:58:59: <fank009> ...
06:59:04: <Firearrow> I think we all assumed lol
06:59:05: <fank009> so...
06:59:11: <fank009> liggy is a wolf on that note?
06:59:15: <Maestro> If you are going to introduce something that does something other than its normal mechanic, that's important to know.
06:59:19: <fank009> because wolves would have asked?
06:59:25: <fank009> ^
06:59:34: <fank009> ...
06:59:55: <fank009> now back to my list...
06:59:58: <fank009> up to .4
07:00:45: <BlackDragonSlayer> Didn't he mean like "if you use the antidote it saves the person from lynching," not "if you have the antidote it save you from lynching"
07:01:17: <Firearrow> Do you guys think that the wolves already knew this
07:01:30: <Firearrow> There might be some really big tells if they did
07:01:32: <fank009> ...
07:01:37: <fank009> yeah...
07:01:41: <fank009> exhibit A.
07:01:47: <fank009> (this guy )
07:02:37: <Maestro> Don't call something an antidote if does things other than curing poison.
07:03:13: <Maestro> This isn't some random never used mechanic, we've played with it before.
07:03:16: <BlackDragonSlayer> ...like "Elixir of Life"
07:03:48: <Maestro> Whatever, I'm done.
07:03:55: <fank009> ciao maestro
07:03:59: <Maestro> Not worth the headache.
07:04:04: <BlackDragonSlayer> Or better yet, "Elixir of Saving Somebody from Lynches and Poison"
07:04:35: <BlackDragonSlayer> That's a lot less vague
07:05:03: <fank009> How about Elixir of godhood
07:05:14: <Maestro> Lord knows what we'll see next.
07:05:19: <fank009> makes it obvious your an untouchable god
07:05:20: <fank009> ^
07:05:38: <Maestro> Probably 4 forced deaths next day phase.
07:05:50: <fank009> lol
07:05:53: <fank009> last man standing xD
07:05:54: <BlackDragonSlayer> Yep...
07:06:05: <fank009> give everyone a gun and In thread attacks xD
07:06:10: <BlackDragonSlayer> That would be great: MECHANICS CHANGE! Last person standing wins!
07:06:18: <BlackDragonSlayer> Or... not so great... ._.
07:06:27: <Firearrow> Role swap!
07:06:53: <fank009> ^
07:06:55: <fank009> This.
07:08:29: <Maestro> So why was my name on the chopping block?
07:08:50: <Firearrow> Lol it's been off for awhile
07:09:10: <fank009> ...
07:09:13: <fank009> how long?
07:09:14: <Firearrow> I think it was mostly because of lack of better options
07:09:21: <Firearrow> For everyone but me, awhile
07:10:21: <Maestro> Last I checked it was still at the top of most lists.
07:10:28: <Maestro> But ok.
07:10:46: <Maestro> I can go back to barely playing.
07:11:40: <BlackDragonSlayer> Goodbye for now...
07:11:55: <Firearrow> uh bye
07:13:01: <Firearrow> Ok, I think I'm gonna shoot my dart at verm.
07:13:11: <Firearrow> I should get going as well
07:13:21: <Firearrow> tried to wait for your list fank lol
07:13:28: <fank009> :/
07:14:10: <Maestro> Not that it matters, but I believe verm's a wolf.
07:14:24: <Firearrow> ok, yay, agreement
07:14:27: <Firearrow> bird said the same
07:14:46: <Maestro> He keeps rguing for multiple deaths.
07:15:00: <Firearrow> (like me)
07:15:18: <Maestro> But thats a stupid tactic.
07:15:27: <Firearrow> Not if you hit the right people!
07:15:36: <Maestro> It just makes our job harder.
07:16:00: <Firearrow> I don't know, I'd rather have the deaths in out hands rather than the wolves
07:16:09: <fank009> ....
07:16:14: <fank009> somewhat the same...
07:16:17: <Maestro> ...what?
07:16:45: <Maestro> We learn more based on wolf kills.
07:16:52: <fank009> ^
07:17:05: <Firearrow> We also lose valuable players
07:17:06: <fank009> the more people we kill now, the less people we learn from wolf kills
07:17:23: <fank009> (although, we do have "better odds:
07:17:32: <fank009> but everyone is "still a wolf"
07:18:05: <Firearrow> ?
07:18:18: <Maestro> That's no reason to kill more players than needed.
07:18:22: <Firearrow> k, no objections while I go assassinate verm?
07:18:30: <fank009> None at all
07:18:31: <Maestro> go for it.
07:18:45: <fank009> exceprt from my piece for verm...
07:18:54: <fank009> He goes for the chicken option of chucking the bomb, and then goes for the pro human plan of staying on odds...
07:19:08: <Firearrow> I'll just say "based on what we discussed in chat" lolk
07:19:25: <fank009> chat was basically POE xD
07:19:32: <Firearrow> idc it's easier
07:19:35: <Maestro> Oh, his plan was mine, but with no risk to him.
07:19:41: <fank009> ^
07:19:48: <fank009> exactly.
07:20:05: <Firearrow> I'll just copy this log?
07:20:05: <fank009> (mind you was in a somewhat similar format)
07:20:11: <fank009> if you want to
07:20:44: <Maestro> Hell, I almost suggested the same thing, but I didn't thino we would agree on who to give the bombs too.
07:20:53: <Maestro> Which we didn't.
07:21:15: <Maestro> Typing on this thing is a pain.
07:26:20: <Maestro> Well I'm out.
07:26:28: <Maestro> Later.
07:26:59: <Firearrow> mm bye
07:29:13: <Firearrow> Imma get going too
07:29:29: <Firearrow> I'll still be on ninsheetm a bit longer to try and wait out your list lol

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chat with BDS

05:43:52: <fank009> now this is interesting...
05:44:01: <fank009> because Firearrow is my biggest lean atm
05:44:16: <BlackDragonSlayer> Interesting...
05:44:39: <fank009> I'll get to it when I get to that post...
05:44:46: <fank009> which im constructing
05:44:52: <fank009> going through all the players...
05:44:55: <fank009> still on you
05:45:28: <BlackDragonSlayer> Personally, I think, for this phase, we should lynch Maestro and target Bird and Verm with the darts, and if that hasn't ended the game, go for FireArrow for the next lynch.
05:45:40: <fank009> ...
05:45:46: <fank009> Im not killing maestro
05:50:04: <fank009> Bird/Firearrow anyone???
05:50:22: <BlackDragonSlayer> That's entirely possible.
05:50:31: <fank009> mind you...
05:50:42: <fank009> bird is too good, to let us on a trail like that.
05:51:09: <BlackDragonSlayer> I think Bird is more likely a wolf than Verm, but both of them have been acting in a way that seems weird to me... just something slightly off...
05:51:37: <fank009> are they working in tandem?
05:51:46: <fank009> im pretty sure one or the other had a go at eachother.
05:52:31: <BlackDragonSlayer> They always seem to do that, though, so it would likely be part of their "wolf disguise."
06:08:22: <fank009> so...
06:08:22: <fank009> FA/Bird?
06:08:46: <BlackDragonSlayer> Possible.
06:10:28: <fank009> Another tell from FA xD
06:15:00: <fank009> thoughts on http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5956.msg232306#msg232306
06:15:48: <BlackDragonSlayer> I thought it was a bit weird.
06:16:01: <fank009> I dont have any supsicions on greg per say...
06:16:08: <fank009> but... it does catch the eye.

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[fank009]

 chat with Firearrow

05:46:08: <fank009> you know...
05:46:17: <fank009> BDS just said something to me, in private...
05:46:20: <fank009> that is making me think...
05:46:22: <FireArrow> hmm?
05:47:01: <fank009> ... I would shoot thia personally...
05:47:55: <FireArrow> I'll think about it, he still seems a bit more useful than Liggy and co.
05:48:06: <fank009> ...
05:48:14: <fank009> liggy we can lynch if we need to...
05:48:53: <FireArrow> I already have me vote on her - is there a way I can shoot thia without people going all "y u not shoot who we told you too"
05:49:33: <fank009> dunno...
05:50:30: <FireArrow> Are your tells on him the same as mine? As in, really big "nothing" posts
05:51:01: <fank009> Atm thia is PoE
05:51:14: <FireArrow> PoE?
05:51:22: <FireArrow> person of exellence!
05:51:24: <fank009> process of elimination
05:51:29: <FireArrow> lol oh
05:58:35: <fank009> thoughts on this statement? http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5956.msg231987#msg231987
05:58:55: <FireArrow> bird or askalice?
05:59:01: <fank009> ...
05:59:06: <fank009> ask alice's statement
05:59:13: <FireArrow> kk, sorry lol
05:59:36: <FireArrow> holy dumbtelling
06:00:21: <FireArrow> I actually can't really comprehend what he's saying
06:00:55: <FireArrow> besides the last paragraph, which is actually really interesting
06:05:22: <fank009> xD
07:04:30: <FireArrow> ok maestro is def human now
07:04:36: <fank009>
07:04:42: <fank009> Ive been saying that for ages...
07:04:48: <fank009> what made you change your mind
07:04:52: <FireArrow> a wolf wouldn't say the things he just said lol
07:05:28: <fank009> ya
07:05:32: <fank009> wait
07:05:34: <fank009> you sure?
07:05:54: <FireArrow> I don't think a wolf would just give up like that lol
07:06:13: <fank009> oh that...
07:06:30: <fank009> I have log from earlier of that :/
07:06:37: <fank009> plus he said that earlier...
07:06:43: <fank009> before you joined the chat :/
07:07:18: <FireArrow> he said similar things earlier?
07:07:37: <fank009> yeah
07:07:43: <fank009> Posted in the thread and in the chat...
07:07:46: <fank009> similar things
07:07:55: <FireArrow> I don't recall it in the thread
07:08:02: <FireArrow> but that seems like a very human things to do
07:08:10: <FireArrow> wolves wouldn't announce their inactivity
07:09:24: <fank009> ,,,
07:09:36: <fank009> I personally think its near null
07:09:42: <FireArrow> D:
07:11:23: <FireArrow> unless he's doing one of those, act like a wolf reverse psychology strategies
07:13:33: <fank009>
07:13:45: <FireArrow> you would totes do that lol

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chat with Bird

05:52:12: <fank009> I have both FA AND BDS in Private chats...
05:52:22: <bird> And?
05:52:26: <fank009> And I feel like im getting opposite vibes from them :/
05:52:47: <fank009> FA I feel i have the most tightest case on.
05:52:50: <bird> Which one are you getting bad vibes from
05:52:57: <fank009> both of them :/
05:53:05: <fank009> I told FA this and...
05:53:09: <fank009> no
05:53:21: <fank009> told BDS about my suspicion of FA,
05:53:24: <fank009> and he came back with this.
05:53:35: <fank009> BlackDragonSlayer   Personally, I think, for this phase, we should lynch Maestro and target Bird and Verm with the darts, and if that hasn't ended the game, go for FireArrow for the next lynch.
05:54:06: <bird> jeeze
05:54:09: <bird> why is he out for me so much
05:54:18: <fank009> I dunno...
05:54:42: <fank009> because your a big bad wolf? (no pun intended)
05:58:02: <fank009> something I've been rereading as well...
05:58:10: <fank009> http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5956.msg231987#msg231987
05:58:18: <fank009> thoughts on it now...
05:58:39: <bird> the askalice post?
05:58:54: <fank009> yeah...

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Enjoy the read

I didn't go with the chicken option on the bomb.  You lynched the player I threw the bomb at against my wishes and he wasn't going to be lynched when I threw it.  I expect better play from you if you're human, fank.

what I meant was, that greg was prepared (somewhat) to hold on to the bomb. you were looking to get rid of it from the get go.

as greg said, it made more sense for me to vote BDS... because its the most human thing to do

(had to seperate into two posts because the lot was too big.

[BlackDragonSlayer]

chat with Bird

05:52:12: <fank009> I have both FA AND BDS in Private chats...
05:53:21: <fank009> told BDS about my suspicion of FA,
05:53:24: <fank009> and he came back with this.
05:53:35: <fank009> BlackDragonSlayer   Personally, I think, for this phase, we should lynch Maestro and target Bird and Verm with the darts, and if that hasn't ended the game, go for FireArrow for the next lynch.
05:54:06: <bird> jeeze
05:54:09: <bird> why is he out for me so much

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XD

That was my way of saying that those were the people I really think might be wolves.

[fank009]

You lynched the player I threw the bomb at against my wishes and he wasn't going to be lynched when I threw it.  I expect better play from you if you're human, fank.

(because enough scrutiny isnt enough...)
-Because we all have to bow down to the great and mighty verm...
-Remember... YOU HAD A VOTE ON ME... and your chastizing me for a "bad choice"?
-so, if it wasnt a bad play for humans, that was a great wolf play??? seems like a lot of work to lynch someone with a bomb and no wolf, for evens, AND giving up a (potential) mislynch?
-If you want to place a vote on me, go on and go ahead, but can you, when waddle (as good as) cleared me???

Now for the counter attack...
Again, lets go on the point of . If anyone has done that. Its you.

No, that's a very bad thing. 

We're going to start tomorrow with 10 players alive.  This is bad.  Starting the phase with 9 players is superior in every way, EVEN IF THE DEAD PLAYER WAS A HUMAN.  That extra is just another player we could waste our lynch on tomorrow, and doesn't give us any more lynches in the future.  So not only did we waste our bomb, we've also made lynching more difficult for ourselves.

For some reason, I feel that this would be used to look human. Lets have a look, remember, you had this idea.

On what we should do with the bombs, I don't see why either plan is a good idea.  Maybe it's because it's really late, but I just don't see the benefit.  Why don't we just have greg or me throw our bombs at the two most suspicious people and lynch one of them?  If the deaths happen at the same time there should be just as much chance it succeeds.

It (somewhat) doesnt matter that you said it, granted your next 2 statements concerning it, it makes sense you were trying to get some human points.

Although the former quote, is telling human, because you would know wolves would get 2-3 kills in the day phase.... the question is, would you pull of an oscar winning performance as a wolf?

Bringing this up because why not

Leans/partners and the likes...
last phase, I mentioned Verm having one possible partner
going through the list... and the reason as to why, they can, cant be partners

1. BlackDragonSlayer- Can be partners, more than likely towny, especially given reasoning from verm incompatible- wanting to poison
2. Greg- someone on my human leans, again can be parters
3. Thiannon- Possible partners, nothing really linking, but being deep in the list is a Plus
4. askalice23 -Now we have something, the best way I can describe alice is the ying, to verms yang.though there isnt a lot of interactions, its interesting alice being 5 in the list, compared to the others, typically, wolves keep partners high up in the suspicion, instead of completley leaning human on them... though with verms list, I cant tell how deep the scale is, and I feel it has 3 points, Humans/wolves/neutrals, and not much room inbetween... (verm, your not... are you???) -no compatability pm play
5. Liggy - no compatability, (another one thrown under the bus)
6. vermilionvermin - being a parter with oneself xD)
7. blueflower999 -no compatability, willing to throw under the bus
8. FireArrow - possible compatability, villa lean, somewhat deep in the list -no compatability PM play
9. MaestroUGC -little to no compatability, A good case against, and seemingly
10. Bird -somewhat compatabile, (though more than likely in compatible), though it doesnt make sense, keeping your partner in the open like that... then again, we have the Q of too many humans, not enough lynches.
11. fank009 -No compatability, D1 Wolf lean
12. Nakah- little to no compatability, considering how everyone's clearing nakah... No compatibility- wolfed

... maybe that poison was a bad idea, look at all those partners, they are going, going...

askalice... Poison greg, imbo (if you want to). more thoughts on that... later

[fank009]

Read on greg
- enters (1st post) of the game on day 1- thinks the no wolfing was planned (stupidly)
-after a chat with me, decides to keep the bomb, and "suggests" verm to do the same

If people agree that me and Verm should keep the bombs and one or both of us is a wolf, the wolves would be stuck. Either they'd have to throw away the bomb and risk getting lynched, or hold onto it and risk getting killed. Obviously if we don't pass on the bombs there's probably a greater risk of the wolves getting the item but I think it's probably worthwhile. Odds are both of us are humans and we'll get the item anyway.

The original reason for the human lean.

but then we have this from thia...

Re: Greg (I actually skimmed his post earlier): He could be a wolf banking on our letting him off of the hold-the-bomb plan. If we decide he's human because he proposed it, our decision should be to let him throw it, and he's smart enough to know that. Also, if he's human, he should know that his plan is valuable to us only insofar as it demonstrates his humanity. Taking a 50% chance of killing a confirmed human (which greg is to greg) is actually a really dumb move for a human to make.

(take out possible greg/thia wolf team)

Greg: basically because he originally tried to give it to nakah cause he just joined or if I were a wolf I would have played the let's keep the bombs card... suspicion level is very low but idk

should be noted- he never gave it to nakah...

-quick lean list http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5956.msg232020#msg232020
-votes blueflower to break the tie, immediatley "regrets" (? someone find a better word?) doing it next phase.
-confers that verm does the pm sort of stuff all the time.

It's also entirely possible that revives or other types of death blocks come into play.

I think I'll vote for Maestro. I'd vote fank but nobody else seems to be voting him, so poisoning might be cool. I'd also be okay with seeing verm or maybe BDS die.

Take out a lot of partners there...
(and scratch one more for verm...)
(liggy, if your out there, heal verm (if you have a heart :/))

Greg's looking fairly human, with no real case (other than my hysteria) out there... no partners (like verm), its safe to say that he is more than positively human.

Bird I still have no real lean on, and imo is as much as a mystery as FA... (except FA has a case...)

Not able to finish my read on thia before I go to bed sorry...


IMO, if you want poisoning targets alice, one of thia/bird

And that will be all.

Apologies to verm to not having been able to get the analysis sooner :/

[Greg]

Fank, you keep saying I've cleared you! I honestly don't see it.

I think we need to look at fank. He was one of the people who voted for blueflower close to the end of the last phase, who was exactly the wrong person to vote for. I mean, I did that as well, but that was because I screwed up, so... >_>

This was the original reason for my suspicion, and it still is! Blueflower was the wolfy lynch that phase, because lynching him either 1.
brought the numbers in favor of the wolves, or 2. destroyed the item.

[fank009]

Fank, you keep saying I've cleared you! I honestly don't see it.

This was the original reason for my suspicion, and it still is! Blueflower was the wolfy lynch that phase, because lynching him either 1.
brought the numbers in favor of the wolves, or 2. destroyed the item.

Your getting warmer with the phrase the wolfy lynch. (Might as well say it in english, why would I put the nail in the coffin with a wolfy lynch like that when bds was a safe lynch for me to look human...)

[Waddle Bro]

sorry for being late!

TWG LXII: This Game Is Encouraging When It Comes To Activity

Gimmick: Every Day Phase, there'll be a new, different mechanic to the game! The Wolves will be told the mechanic the previous Night Phase.

1. Wolf
2. Wolf

3. Human
4. Human
5. Human
6. Human
7. Human
8. Human
9. Human
10. Human
11. Human
12. Human
vermilionvermin was tied up to a chair, but didn't get his usual treatment. Instead, he got poison. totez not implying anything wat r u saying
MaestroUGC was lynched. So brutally, I can't even say how.
askalice23 forgot to shoot the poison dart

1. BlackDragonSlayer
2. Greg
3. Thiannon
4. askalice23
5. Liggy
6. vermilionvermin
7. blueflower999
8. FireArrow
9. MaestroUGC
10. Bird
11. fank009
12. Nakah

It's Night 3. It'll end 6 PM EET, 24 hours from now. As if you hadn't guessed that already.

[Bird]

Well, I can live with that. Who all voted for Maestro? I voted for Thiannon.

And looks like leaving Liggy alive was a good idea after all, wasn't it. I guess this phase, vermilionvermin and askalice should ask why they should be cured.

Although I doubt a wolf would let themselves be poisoned.

[Liggy]

So the poison was instant.

This probably should have been said, Waddle.