TWG 54: Game of Wolves

[Thiannon]

I'm feeling pretty good about the Mashi lynch, actually. His defenses were not good, and wolf Mashi in my experience usually does claim busy-ness. FSM still has a lot to answer for, though.

Liggy's self-vote raised my suspicions, so we discussed things in the IRC. Posting it here for everyone else to see. He claims he's going to martyr himself tonight, but I'll believe it when I see it.

Spoiler

21:18   Thiannon   Liggy, do you see any way in which Boy might have been human?
21:18   Liggy   yeah
21:18   Liggy   wait
21:18   Liggy   er
21:18   Liggy   only if Olimar was confused and fed wrong information
21:19   Thiannon   By FSM, you mean?
21:19   Liggy   to FSM, actually
21:19   Liggy   or to TZP
21:21   Thiannon   Oh, I see what you mean.
21:21   Thiannon   You don't think Boy would be dumb enough to claim Varys as a human, though?
21:22   Liggy   I don't think he'd have a reason to
21:22   Liggy   and he game me TWO fake succession list
21:22   Liggy   lists*
21:24   Thiannon   That makes no sense!
21:24   Liggy   what?
21:24   Thiannon   Why he'd send in two fakes.
21:25   Liggy   because he confused them
21:25   Liggy   he sent me the one he got from his other fake role
21:25   Thiannon   That's what he told you?
21:25   Liggy   well
21:25   Liggy   he told me it was just his fake role
21:26   Liggy   or maybe I inferred that
21:26   Liggy   he said his fake role was Khal Drago
21:26   Liggy   would it make sense for him to have it?
21:28   Thiannon   Not really.
21:28   Thiannon   In fact, he's one of the least likely characters to know the order of succession in Westeros.
21:28   Thiannon   He's never even been to the continent.
21:31   Liggy   oh
21:31   Liggy   uh
21:31   Liggy   man
21:31   Liggy   wtf was Toby doing
21:31   Liggy   his first list had Bran Stark on stop
21:32   bird   hey you know that character!
21:32   Thiannon   I dunno.
21:33   Thiannon   Wolf or human, he seriously screwed up.
21:33   Thiannon   Though I guess you can say that about anyone who's lynched D1.
21:33   Thiannon   Also, I finally caught up.
21:33   Thiannon   What did you mean by this:
21:33   Thiannon   "I'd rather have myself killed now then hastily lynch a human."
21:33   Liggy   I mean
21:33   Thiannon   You'd rather lose the game than lynch a human?
21:33   Liggy   it was a 3-way KitB
21:33   Liggy   and I win with the humans anyways
21:34   Liggy   also
21:34   Liggy   it doesn't matter who's lynched
21:34   Liggy   if I'm alive tomorrow
21:34   Thiannon   You win if the humans win or if you guess the king's role?
21:34   Liggy   It will be me
21:34   Liggy   yeah
21:34   Thiannon   You never said that before.
21:35   Liggy   I did.
21:35   Liggy   Several times.
21:35   Thiannon   Can you link me to a post?
21:35   Liggy   there's 25 pages
21:35   Liggy   I said I was a human in the post I made asking for claims
21:37   Thiannon   I thought you just meant you weren't a wolf.
21:37   Liggy   well
21:37   Liggy   I didn't!
21:37   Thiannon   i.e. didn't count for the wolves for endgame purposes.
21:37   Thiannon   You called yourself a Loner, though!
21:37   Liggy   no
21:37   Thiannon   Or was that just everyone else saying that?
21:37   Liggy   probs
21:39      *** Mashi|BRBUntil10PM is now known as Mashi
21:39   Liggy   oh my god
21:39   Liggy   I just realized
21:39   Liggy   Mashi told me his role before
21:39   Liggy   and it was something we could verify
21:40   Thiannon   What? How?
21:40   Mashi   i am the please
21:40   Liggy   yeah I'm killing myself tonight regardless of what happens.
21:40   Thiannon   brb claiming to mashi
21:43   Thiannon   I'm sorry, Liggs, but your self-vote looks really suspicious to me.
21:44   Thiannon   I'll post this chat and see what everyone else thinks, I guess.
21:44   Liggy   yeah I know
21:44   Liggy   I didn't want to retract it
21:44   Liggy   FireArrow just really wanted me alive for some reason
21:44   Thiannon   This is just what you did with your martyrdom claim, though.
21:44   Liggy   I'm aware of that too.
21:44   Thiannon   Although I empathize with your defense against davy's accusation!
21:51   Liggy   anyways
21:51   Liggy   whenever evidence you have against me
21:51   Liggy   I'm not going to read
21:51   Liggy   because I'm killing myself tonight
21:51   Liggy   I promise

[close]

[Bird]

Although phase extensions are out of the question, would players prefer me to end the phase a little later? Since NSMers tend to do 90% of the lynch discussion 1 hour before the lynch, I figure it would be best to end the phase at a time when a lot of players could come online.

[BlackDragonSlayer]

♫ Mashi oh Mashi ♫
♫ Although you were #3 on my suspicion list ♫
♫ I didn't know you would go so soon ♫
♫ But really ♫



NOTE: This is intended to be humorous and not taken seriously.

[FireArrow]

Liggy, you know why you have to live. 

[FSM-Reapr]

I'm sorry for my sudden absence in NSM.

Something bad happened in my life two days ago, so I'm not really on the mood for playing TWG anymore.

Bird, you can replace me this phase or the next, but before you do that I really want to make that suspicion list and a defense against any accusations cast on me.

[Liggy]

Liggy, you know why you have to live. 

It's not going to work.

[FireArrow]

It's not going to work.

What do you mean by that?

[FSM-Reapr]

Okay, first of all, I already used my guarding power Night 2, but lied in order to bluff the wolves to think I didn't. That's why I thin you shouldn't kill me.

How my knowledge of the succesion list was legit and not found out from Olimar:
He asked me what a PM Bird sent to him meant and he said it was some sort of a list. I asked who was the #1 and he said Lysa Arryn. He asked me who #2 was and I said Varys. Thus is how the FSM12345 alliance was born.

(I don't have my laptop so I don't have the log. If I was a wolf, I'd fake it anyway.)

I used one of my powers Day 1, as you saw.

The rest of the accusations I feel I've answered.

ninja'd

[FireArrow]

Now, I need one more person with a damaging ability to PM me, we need to deal exactly 3 hearts of damage to FSM tonight. FSM, if your human, guard yourself and TZP.

Let me rephrase that - PM TZP, you probably trust him more.

[FSM-Reapr]

WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO KILL ME WHEN I ALREADY TOLD YOU I USED MY GUARDING POWER NIGHT 2?!?!

[FSM-Reapr]

Only going to name my top 2 suspicions because on 3DS. Shup.

1. Yugi
The fact that you knew about Olimar was going through with his Lannister plan to confirm a human and dying is ringing my suspicion bells.
The fact that I recall Olimar mentioning something about that you and Mashi are most likely working together, isn't exactly a plus. Also you, Mashi and TBWCW were all against Liggy lynching Day 1 is something I feel should be noticed. I'd lynch you tomorrow.

2. BDS
You have been very cautious and I recall you haven't done a single aggressive thing against anyone during the entire game. Just bunch of defending and being a yes-man, something I can see a wolf be doing. Plus always-so-paranoid BDS supports claiming your house to Liggy without hesitation is just something I can't believe you could ever do.

[Zunawe]

Is there anybody who could confirm your story, FSM? I'm just saying that your statement doesn't exactly prove that you're a human. It just means that we can't prove that you don't have a power unless somebody can seer you.

Also, we don't even have much of a reason to call Mashi a wolf, so I'm not sure that that point is really relevant. Everything else in the above post seems accurate though.

[FSM-Reapr]

It'd been insanely dumb for Olimar to trust me so much, don't you think?

ALSO I USED A POWER DAY 1, HOW MUCH MORE PROOF DO YOU NEED FOR I HAVE POWERS

good night, my replacement will take over Day 3(assuming I survive). I won't be replying anymore.

[BlackDragonSlayer]

2. BDS
You have been very cautious and I recall you haven't done a single aggressive thing against anyone during the entire game. Just bunch of defending and being a yes-man, something I can see a wolf be doing. Plus always-so-paranoid BDS supports claiming your house to Liggy without hesitation is just something I can't believe you could ever do.

The thing is, I'm not any more or less "cautious" as a wolf than I am as a human (TWG XLVIII as the only example, though). You say that you can "see a wolf" doing actions that I am doing, and yet, if I were a wolf... I wouldn't be doing those actions (since they're usually indications that the person might actually be a wolf, it would actually not be beneficial to do so)!
And one more thing, to address your final point: Many people often criticize me for being "paranoid," and yet, when I am comparably less "paranoid" in certain situations, you call me out on it?? Make up your mind, people! Do you want me to be "paranoid," or not?

[BlackDragonSlayer]

I made a mistake in my previous post when I said that TWG XLVIII was the only example of the point I brought up. TWG LI might also count as an example, if you consider the debate early-on between Waddle and I about whether or not the armor-holder should wait to claim (which I don't really consider being "cautious" ).