TWG 54: Game of Wolves

[K-NiGhT]

I'm on a bus in the middle of nowhere right now but once I get to the hotel tomorrow night, I will start being active.

[fank009]

We should all tell our roles and fake roles Night 1 and the players who can only come up with one role are wolves

Come to think of it, This isnt a semi bad idea... Although you said that those who might be familiar with the theme might have an "advantage" knowing who might have what role... To keep said person safe... Should we just claim our what house/s we are in???

[FSM-Reapr]

I recommend we wait for the king to get on the throne Day 1 and claim to him.

[fank009]

I recommend we wait for the king to get on the throne Day 1 and claim to him.

Wolves can Hold the throne... :/ (i think)

[FSM-Reapr]

They'd have to transform into the guy who gets the throne first and I find that unlikely.

[Liggy]

Not initially, I think.  I would like clarification about that. (to fank)

Anyways, I'm in the chat often, my skype is supman495, and my yim is liggy91.  If you use one of those I'd like it if you added me.

And some more clarifications: How many hearts do wolfings and lynches do?  Is there a maximum number of hearts you can have?  Can you heal dead players to revive them, or only a power meant for reviving can do that?

[fank009]

They'd have to transform into the guy who gets the throne first and I find that unlikely.

hmmm... seeing its suicide to guess from what they dont have... I think that its safe to say, 6/28 (or 3/14) is highly unlikely

And some more clarifications: How many hearts do wolfings and lynches do?  Is there a maximum number of hearts you can have?  Can you heal dead players to revive them, or only a power meant for reviving can do that?

Wolfings and lynchings are one hit KOs, I would think the "fainted rule" applies for healing. either that or theres not a lot of healing roles.

[FSM-Reapr]

Bird, do the White Wakers have powers like the normal humans that come with the role?

[FSM-Reapr]

Here's a chat log I had with Fank.

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Otso Syrjänen 14.40
Fank, who have you been communicating with?
Fank009 14.40
You lot
Otso Syrjänen 14.40
liar
Fank009 14.40
and bird Smiley with tongue out
Otso Syrjänen 14.40
I think you're lying
Fank009 14.41
I think...
14.41
your digging too deep into it.
Otso Syrjänen 14.41
No
14.41
Just tell me who have you been communicating with
Fank009 14.41
No.
Otso Syrjänen 14.41
Suspicious.
Fank009 14.41
Its for Fanks eyes only
14.41
of course it is.
Otso Syrjänen 14.42
You see, if you're revealed to be a wolf, you most likely have discussed with your partners
Fank009 14.42
Exactly
Otso Syrjänen 14.42
and thus is why you don't want to share the names.
Fank009 14.42
And i dont want you getting the wrong idea
14.42
And thats why im not sharing you names.
14.42
The thing is...
Otso Syrjänen 14.43
That doesn't make any sense
Fank009 14.43
there is no cardflips
Otso Syrjänen 14.43
But there are powers
Fank009 14.43
(from my understanding)
14.43
yep.
Otso Syrjänen 14.43
What is your point?
Fank009 14.43
My point is
14.43
What Humans dont know
14.43
cant hurt them
Otso Syrjänen 14.43
Yeah they can
14.44
The wolves hurt the humans if they don't know their identities
Fank009 14.44
of course there is that
14.44
but what the humans dont know, wolves dont know, and thats what doesnt hurt them
14.44
fank logic for you
Otso Syrjänen 14.45
If the humans don't know but you know doesn't meant the wolves don't know
Fank009 14.45
^
Otso Syrjänen 14.45
Just tell me why won't you share your discussion partners
Fank009 14.45
Because
Otso Syrjänen 14.45
Give me a reason
Fank009 14.45
you said it yourself
Otso Syrjänen 14.45
No
14.45
Tell me.
Fank009 14.46
On 30.5.2013, at 14.42, Otso Syrjänen wrote:
> You see, if you're revealed to be a wolf, you most likely have discussed with your partners
If you think this way, the others will be mislynched and it will be game.
14.46
I will say this
14.46
Who i am speaking with
14.46
I am 98% certain, they are Humans
Otso Syrjänen 14.46
So tell me the names and why!!!
Fank009 14.47
No.
14.47
Im not naming names.
14.47
But it should be obvious...
14.47
Well if i can call it from 2 pages, others should do.
Otso Syrjänen 14.47
Help the humans if you know their identities instead of keeping it as a secret
Fank009 14.47
Im helping keeping them secret
14.47
because im unsure of my lean with you fsm
Otso Syrjänen 14.48
But how could you even know their secrets?
Fank009 14.48
through this fact...
14.48
On 30.5.2013, at 14.46, Fank009 wrote:
> I am 98% certain, they are Humans
Otso Syrjänen 14.49
That doesn't answer the question "How".
Fank009 14.49
May i ask you a Q FSM?
Otso Syrjänen 14.49
Sure.
Fank009 14.49
How would you gain someones trust in this type of game?
Otso Syrjänen 14.49
That's what I'm trying to ask you.
14.49
Because I'm not so sure.
14.50
And you apparently have done it.
Fank009 14.50
When you figure out the solution, I will have no need to say it.
14.50
because you (should) know the reason why
14.50
(fanks logic)
Otso Syrjänen 14.50
Would you please cut out the bullshit and just help me realize.
Fank009 14.51
lets put it this way...
Otso Syrjänen 14.51
You're avoiding my question
Fank009 14.51
Because
Otso Syrjänen 14.51
On 30.5.2013, at 14.48, Otso Syrjänen wrote:
> But how could you even know their secrets?
Fank009 14.51
...
14.52
Im going to plead silence to that Q
Otso Syrjänen 14.52
No
14.52
Tell me
*This is where he changed to private chat with me*
Fank009 14.52
Here maybe...
14.52
but in the chat no.
Otso Syrjänen 14.52
Why
Fank009 14.52
Because.
14.52
"its a secret"
Otso Syrjänen 14.52
Again, avoiding.
Fank009 14.53
that is all your getting from me
14.53
Your a smart player FSM...
Otso Syrjänen 14.53
Thank you.
Fank009 14.53
How do you get one person to reveal a hand in poker???
Otso Syrjänen 14.54
By kicking their ass to death until they show me their hand
Fank009 14.54
theres one way...
14.54
(cant stay long, got to go to sleep soon)
Otso Syrjänen 14.54
What's the time?
Fank009 14.55
5 to midnight
Otso Syrjänen 14.55
What country are you in?
Fank009 14.55
New zealand
Otso Syrjänen 14.55
Ok
Fank009 14.55
I have one rule when i play...
14.56
correction
14.56
i have many rules
14.56
one of them being, "what Humans dont know cant hurt them"
14.57
Heres where im standing atm.
14.57
If i told you exactly what i was doing...
14.57
I would have to follow through with it
14.57
and im not ready yet.
Otso Syrjänen 14.57
No you wouldn't
Fank009 14.57
Im waiting for a few things, Before I can "Trust you"
14.58
I have nothing further to say on this matter on the moment...
*And now back to public*
Fank009 14.59
FSM
14.59
What you feel in people claiming House?
14.59
even if we have a "clear" I feel it should be houses only.
Otso Syrjänen 14.59
Dr. House is a cool dude
Fank009 14.59
xD
Otso Syrjänen 14.59
Why would the houses have to claim?
Fank009 15.00
not what i meant
15.00
instead of claiming character
15.00
claim as houses
15.00
say stark/ 3rd party etc.
Otso Syrjänen 15.00
Yes, but I'm asking you why would the houses have to claim!!!
Fank009 15.00
...
15.00
I meant
15.01
Each person claiming which house they are in
Otso Syrjänen 15.01
No, I don't care what you meant, just give me a reason why would that have to be done!!!
Fank009 15.01
well... you actually gave me that idea FSM
Otso Syrjänen 15.01
But Bird negated it.
Fank009 15.02
"Viserys Targaryen should claim. You know yourself what powers you have."
Otso Syrjänen 15.02
Yes.
Fank009 15.02
"wait forget what I just said

Don't claim."
Otso Syrjänen 15.02
Yeah.
Fank009 15.02
Even in a theme... You get an idea of what chars have what powers
15.02
so there is some bias to those who dont know the theme
Otso Syrjänen 15.02
What is a char
Fank009 15.03
(characters)
Otso Syrjänen 15.03
Everybody has powers or knowledge, I think.
Fank009 15.03
yeah
15.04
Maybe its fank paranoia
Otso Syrjänen 15.04
So that statement doesn't make any sense to me!
Fank009 15.04
lets change the theme. (so to say)
15.04
say...
15.05
(thinks of a popular theme)
15.05
starwars.
15.05
lets go through some roles,
15.05
who would most likely fit the guardian role?
Otso Syrjänen 15.05
I don't know.
Fank009 15.05
in a starwars theme game...
15.06
You dont want to claim Darth Vader Town vanilla at least
Otso Syrjänen 15.06
oh
15.06
Jar Jar Binks!!!
Fank009 15.06
because Darth vader isnt a town vanilla
15.07
Han solo would prolly be a night killing type role
15.07
And everyone fits into that mould.
Otso Syrjänen 15.07
What is your point?
Fank009 15.07
what im saying is, Is that exisiting characters from game of thrones, could give an idea of who has what type of power.
Otso Syrjänen 15.08
So?
Fank009 15.08
... wait...
15.08
oh yeah
15.08
thats right
15.08
the "compromised king"
15.09
those small odds
15.09
but yeah.
15.09
The idea, is if someone gets wind of what a character is, they could easily connect the dots, and associate said power with said characters
15.10
but thats fank being paranoid
15.10
whoever is king should get BOTH claims
15.10
fake claim and real claim.
15.10
force wolves into a corner.
15.12
The white wakers would prolly have their own powers...
15.12
They cant assume any powers of a human
Otso Syrjänen 15.12
What makes you think so?
Fank009 15.12
(or human role)
15.12
Bird said
Otso Syrjänen 15.12
where?
15.12
show me
Fank009 15.13
2. You can't use the powers of the fake roles.
Otso Syrjänen 15.13
oh ok
Fank009 15.13
since wolves have fake roles...
Otso Syrjänen 15.13
but how do you know they have their own powers?
Fank009 15.13
Guess...
15.14
you really think they would have nothing...
15.14
with these overpowered humans?
Otso Syrjänen 15.14
Yes.
Fank009 15.14
...
Otso Syrjänen 15.14
who said we're OP?
Fank009 15.14
^
15.14
who said indeed
Otso Syrjänen 15.15
You just did.
Fank009 15.15
i never said we were "overpowered"
Otso Syrjänen 15.15
On 30.5.2013, at 15.14, Fank009 wrote:
> with these overpowered humans?
Fank009 15.15
i know i said that...
15.15
are you saying that...
Otso Syrjänen 15.15
Then what the hell are you saying
Fank009 15.16
with your powers (that you know of) Wolves would have no other basic functions?
15.16
This is what the wolves can do...
15.16
3. The Wolves. I already mentioned in the health section that the wolves were capable of reviving players as their undead minions. They can do this and much more. In fact, they're an incredibly powerful force.
They know each other.
They can temporarily take on the characteristics and allegiances of other roles. This may enable them to sit on the Iron Throne if they play their cards right!
They will be weak to fire while not taking on characteristics of other roles.
They can raise players from the dead. These "icy thralls" will count for the wolves and be unable to use powers or vote. They will also be susceptible to fire.
Otso Syrjänen 15.16
I know
15.17
that doesn't answer my question do they get powers that were not revealed on the thread.
Fank009 15.18
you saying like say a scan or something?
Otso Syrjänen 15.18
?
15.18
I don't know what you mean.
Fank009 15.18
(i am really "primitive" in my knowledge)
15.19
(just thinking about yugi's catherine game... I havent played with mechanics such as those)
Otso Syrjänen 15.19
I still don't know what you mean.

On 30.5.2013, at 15.18, Fank009 wrote:
> you saying like say a scan or something?
Fank009 15.20
Say a seer scan,
15.20
or something along that type of nature
Otso Syrjänen 15.20
what is a scan
Fank009 15.20
Whats the object of a seer?
Otso Syrjänen 15.20
Seer'd
Fank009 15.21
So in english Scan = Seer'd
Otso Syrjänen 15.21
ya I guess
Fank009 15.21
well
15.21
i better get to bed
15.21
before the folkes kick me off to bed xD
Otso Syrjänen 15.21
what time was it again?
Fank009 15.22
12:21
Otso Syrjänen 15.22
morning?
Fank009 15.22
AM
Otso Syrjänen 15.22
k

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[EFitTrainr]

Guys
I am here now! I'm at the airport like all day today, so I should be relatively active!!

[Toby]

I'm in chat

[Zunawe]

No longer asleep or being forced to watch Piranhaconda while eating cookies. (That was a terrible movie.)

Anyway, going to chat naow.

[Bird]

FSM is correct. A White Walker can become King on day 1 if they transform into the player highest in the order of succession. If they transform into a role that is already in the game, the tie will go to the player who actually has that role.

Wolfings and lynchings do... let's say 10 hearts each. Only a revive can bring a dead player back to life.

I can't answer any of the other questions here.

[FireArrow]

I have to read through that whole conversation? 

I'm not gonna dig through this thread, but I agree with Yugi that we should save our "damaging" powers for wolves. Our number 1 priority should be removing them, not killing our rivals.

This also makes me believe that Yugi is human, as a wolf probably wouldn't come up with a plan like that.

[FSM-Reapr]

You also have to notice that it'd be very wolfish to encourage humans hurting humans, so for a wolf it'd be smart to take an advantage over the situation and suggest something like that. I find Yugi's suggestion neutral.

You have to think outside the big, blue box!!!