TWG XLVII - Relax, I'm a Doctor Post Game

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TWG XLVII: Relax, I'm a Doctor
3 Wolves:
Doctor Victor von Doom – Master Wolf
Arch-Nemesis to Reed Richards, leader of the Fantastic Four, the only man who can match his intellect; possibly the world's most dangerous villain, he manages to stay one step ahead of everyone.; he takes two hits to kill.

Doctor Frankenstein – Brutal Wolf
Known for his bizarre experiments, a rumor circulated that the man created some sort of beast that escaped. Frankenstein was last known to be in the Antarctic, presumably chasing his lost creation. Can be revived, but the monster cannot.

Doctor Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik – Wolf
Once planning to rule the world by turing the small fuzzy creatures into his robotic slaves, he has been thwarted numerous times by a quick little blue hedgehog.

9 Humans...Mostly:

4 Specials:
The Doctor – Guardian
A Time Lord; not much is known about this odd little man, but he is possibly the world's greatest hero nobody's ever heard of. He carries the Sonic Screwdriver, which allows the user to one vote each day phase, goes into effect during the tally. Not a human.

Doctor John Watson – Seer
Sherlock Holmes' "Man Friday", the time the good Doctor spent with Holmes gave him incredible deductive powers that allow him to see through even the most devious of charades.

Doctor Emmett Brown – Psychic
Built a time machine out of a DeLorean, presumably to travel the Space-Time Continuum in style; he can take another player of his choosing to either the future or past. Going to the past allows both players to adjust their votes from one day to a different player; going to the future will give them safe passage to the next day phase. He carries Gray's Almanac, granting the holder a tally of used powers throughout the game. The Almanac can only be used once all game, meaning the reader will only be told everything once he/she uses it.

Doctor Gregory House – Reviver
One of the greatest Medicine men of all times, his quick deductions and near encyclopedic knowledge of the human body grant him the ability to Revive dead players, but they must be a human for him to be successful.

4 Humans:
Doctor Zhivago – Human
A master of Zen like focus, his work on inner peace gives him an almost inhuman control of negative emotions. Takes two hits two kill, votes count for half.

Doctor Strangelove – Crazy
A former Nazi scientist, Dr. Strangelove is now working for the US Government during the Cold War. Absolutely mad, handle with Caution, his death means an immediate Game Over, No winner, No loser, just Mutually Assured Destruction.

Doctor Leonard H. "Bones" McCoy – Human
Chief Medical Officer aboard the Starship Enterprise, and will always remind that he's a Doctor, not anything else. He's also a damn good shot, and will survive a KitB if he has to.

Doctor Evil – Miller
Has aspirations to take over the world, but thwarted by the "International Man of Mystery" Austin Powers. He has since defected to the good guys, but with a name like Evil how much can you actually trust the man?

1 Rogue:
Doctor Henry Jekyll/Mr. Edward Hyde – Rogue
Mild mannered Henry Jekyll by day, ferocious beast Edward Hyde by night; each day he counts as a human, but has no voting power (votes=0), but each night he goes rogue and can kill any player he wishes. He is not considered a wolf at night. Win conditions: Hyde must kill either Doctor Doom or the Doctor; being killed by either side doesn't count, and must survive until the end of the game. If he's killed one of the above players by game's end, then he wins; if not then the appropriate team will be the victor. Not a human.

Players:
1. Dr. Bubbles, D. A. - Doctor John Watson – Seer
2. Dr. Boy, O. D. - Doctor Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik – Wolf
3. Dr. B. D. Slayer, D. C. N. - Doctor Henry Jekyll/Mr. Edward Hyde – Rogue
4. Dr. Yugi, D. D. S. - Doctor Evil – Miller
5. Dr. Waddle, D. C. - Doctor Leonard H. "Bones" McCoy – Human
6. Dr. Liggy, Psy. D. - Doctor Zhivago – Human
7. Dr. Hunter, D. D. - Doctor Emmett Brown – Psychic
8. Dr. Sheikah, D. P. A. - Doctor Victor von Doom – Master Wolf
9. Dr. Dude, D. H .S./Dr. Mashi, D. F. - The Doctor – Guardian
10. Dr. Vermilion, Ph. D. - Doctor Frankenstein – Brutal Wolf
11. Dr. Bird, D. V. M. - Doctor Gregory House – Reviver
12. Dr. T. Z. Pianist, Au. D. - Doctor Strangelove – Crazy

Analyses will be up later. Congratulations to our winner: BlackDragonSlayer!

[Yugi]

I see what happened.

[Waddle Bro]

Thanks sheikah for being a jerk and ruining the game for us

You knew you didn't stand a chance but you had to go try and kill Mashi. You would have died the next Day Phase. With a 100% guarantee.

Sorry guys, it's my fault.

[Yugi]

I cannot believe I called waddle a dudebro.

[BlackDragonSlayer]

Analyses will be up later. Congratulations to our winner: BlackDrangonSlayer!

Well shucks; I did it. I'm glad I decided to attack Sheikah a second time instead of Liggy (I had a whole document typed up trying to find out who was who; I had my own secrets ).

You knew you didn't stand a chance but you had to go try and kill Mashi. You would have died the next Day Phase. With a 100% guarantee.

Sorry guys, it's my fault.

The only thing wrong you did is that you did not factor me into the equation (you thought I was a wolf?).
If Bird had not been killed (thanks Verm!), I still would have told him I was the seer, in the same manner, as that trap was too valuable to let go un-triggered.

[BlackDragonSlayer]

I just realized this: BlackDrangonSlayer

But, Waddle, you did keep me confused for many many extra minutes worth of shower time (philosophical thinking IS easier in the shower, and while sleeping ), wondering whether you were trying to trap me and get the rogue to kill Sheikah, whether or not you had guarded him earlier (thus resulting in a "failed" attack), or whether he was the Doctor, Dr. Doom, or Zhivago.

I attacked Liggy the first night for a few reasons:
1: It was the obvious choice, and no suspicions could be drawn from it, since Liggy had claimed to the topic, and thus made himself a rogue-target.
2: "Prepare" him just in case the time came when I needed a quick "kill Doom-kill other wolves" strategy (IF Liggy was Dr. Doom).
3: Early in the game, I was worried that somebody like Boy, Waddle, or TZP would be Dr. Strangelove (mostly Boy, because he was going to be my first choice).

Me claiming miller helped to expose Vermilionvermin, which both reduced the wolves to an amount inducive (is that the right word?) to strategy, and inadvertently killed Bird (a disadvantage of public claiming); when I claimed seer, I hoped my defense of Yugi-Fox would make me look like a confused seer trying to keep as many humans alive as possible, but, unfortunately, the humans got a bit paranoid of me (though you didn't blindly follow me ).

I think I've improved my role-playacting skill since My Name is Mephistopheles (then again, the circumstances were different), which is good, but it might make people want to kill me off earlier in future games...

[Bird]

BDS got lucky.

There, I said it!!!

[vermilionvermin]

This game really suffered from a lack of clarity in the role descriptions.  Wolves not knowing that humans knew which ones they were made us really easy to weed out and really difficult to make any convincing counterclaims.  This was particularly important when Liggy claimed Zhivago, which meant that Sheikah couldn't make the effective Zhivago counterclaim he was probably supposed to make.  Though it ended up working in our favor with me being lynched Day 1, it meant that we couldn't even make a convincing miller claim!

I'm not sure why the humans went after TBWCW on day 2, unless they were convinced by his defense that he wasn't a wolf and thus he must have been the rogue.  I didn't see any evidence of that though, people seemed to just stay quiet and agree with what Waddle Bro said.

It was actually much more important to take out the rogue early than it was to lynch a wolf, and I think that was the humans' main mistake here.

[BlackDragonSlayer]

BDS got lucky.

There, I said it!!!

But I used strategy beforehand and afterwards to try and make the most of the situation... the (only?) significant case of good luck I had was you being killed by the Brutal power.
Public claiming usually makes you a target, and after I false-claimed seer, I was worried that I would be wolfed. There was a lot that could have happened that would have gotten in the way of (and stopped) my plan, and, as I mentioned above, the slight "wolf-paranoia" about me could have easily caused people to rush forward and lynch me.

It was actually much more important to take out the rogue early than it was to lynch a wolf, and I think that was the humans' main mistake here.

That's why I tried to hide as much as possible... after your lynching, I could have easily stayed false-claiming miller and let Yugi-Fox be lynched, since it seems he was rather suspicious in the eyes of others...

I wonder what would have happened if Boy was Dr. Doom, among other things... there are so many interesting possibilities to be explored...!

[Toby]

Waddle terrible leader.

[vermilionvermin]

What Bird's talking about is how a perfect storm of events coincided so that you won.  On Day 2, you were the most suspicious player until TBWCW's seer claim was proven false, at which point he was lynched instead.  Additionally, sheikah happened to be the player you needed to kill.  There was no way to know that Sheikah was the person you needed to kill since sheikah was really inactive, so the fact that the night that you killed sheikah coincided with them finding the second-to-last wolf perfectly.

I'm not saying you played a bad game or anything because the odds were pretty stacked against the wolves and rogue, but that luck played a pretty big role in giving you the right timing!

[Bird]

Standing by my original "luck" assertion.

The humans just happened to kill both of the non-master wolves, and you just happened to hit Dr. Doom on Night 2! Who by night 3, happened to be the last wolf! And there was no way to no he'd been attacked either. You didn't do a bad job or anything, but a lot of things worked out perfectly for you.

Basically what vermilionvermin said.

Also this game was extremely human-sided, despite the outcome. This is why I'm against (non-mystery) games where every player gets a special role. Once everyone's claimed, the humans just have to assess the roles which received multiple claims, and can systematically eliminate them. If we kill wolves on day 1 and day 2, either the wolves suck or the humans are overpowered. As I said before, it was sheer chance which gave the victory to the rogue, and the humans would definitely have won if the game had gone one phase longer.

Also it led to all the work being done by the alliance leaders (Waddle and me, basically). Sorry for losing the game for you guys! This is why alliances are stinky!

[BlackDragonSlayer]

What Bird's talking about is how a perfect storm of events coincided so that you won.  On Day 2, you were the most suspicious player until TBWCW's seer claim was proven false, at which point he was lynched instead.  Additionally, sheikah happened to be the player you needed to kill.  There was no way to know that Sheikah was the person you needed to kill since sheikah was really inactive, so the fact that the night that you killed sheikah coincided with them finding the second-to-last wolf perfectly.

I'm not saying you played a bad game or anything because the odds were pretty stacked against the wolves and rogue, but that luck played a pretty big role in giving you the right timing!

The part in bold was logical deduction/elimination: I could have gone with Liggy, or decided that Sheikah was Strangelove, since "apparantly" he was guarded (he wasn't).

The reason why I attacked Sheikah the first time was because I thought there was a possibility he was The Doctor; in the situation that he was (so many interesting possibilities!), then I would have hoped that the humans would have been able to lynch Dr. Doom (for the first attack on him), allowing for a "double victory"!! Herp derp

[Toby]

I understand why you thought me seer claim was false..


The Boy Who Cried Wolf for Human MVP- Started off a suspicion on a wolf and pushed for the lynch on day 1, he then correctly seer'd Liggy and Dude. Overall well done performance, pitty the Humans found out you were a wolf!

[BlackDragonSlayer]

I understand why you thought me seer claim was false..


The Boy Who Cried Wolf for Human MVP- Started off a suspicion on a wolf and pushed for the lynch on day 1, he then correctly seer'd Liggy and Dude. Overall well done performance, pitty the Humans found out you were a wolf!

Because Vermilionvermin was the Brutal Wolf.