TWG XLVI: Have it Your Way

[BlackDragonSlayer]

14. Mashi [Phantom x1] - Totes wuff.

Aieieie. Mashi's a woof woof! He found a wolf!

It took me about 5 minutes to find out why you had the list in that order... uh...

[K-NiGhT]

My top three suspicions based on a quick read through of the thread are

SocialFox
Verm
TZP

and that's that.

[vermilionvermin]

I take it you don't suspect Liggy then.

[spitllama]

^^ lulz

Verm if you had to make a suspicion list, who would be your #2? I'm assuming that, with so much analysis being done, you've found evidence with regards to other players as well? Is it one of the people that you moved between in Day 1?

[vermilionvermin]

16:13   Verm   Regarding Nsm, who do you suspect?
16:13   Liggy   hold up
16:13   Verm   all right
16:13   Liggy   ah screw it
16:13   Liggy   I couldn't pause that game
16:14   Liggy   and evidently just responding to you already screwed me over
16:14   Verm   Sorry
16:14   Liggy   Heh
16:14   Liggy   it's okay
16:14   Liggy   anyways Mashi strikes me as odd because he was claiming that your suspicions of me make no sense
16:14   Liggy   and while they are wrong
16:14   Liggy   they do make sense
16:15   Liggy   but he's green so dfsdfs
16:15   Verm   He does seem kind of like he's coasting
16:15   Liggy   wtf
16:15   Liggy   why does tzp think I'm desperate
16:16   Liggy   admitting you have a good point
16:16   Liggy   that means I'm desperate?
16:16   Verm   that is kind of the opposite of desperate
16:16   Liggy   I mean.
16:16   Liggy   I can't really say anything besides "I wasn't paying a whole lot of attention to everything, so I missed a lot of stuff and screwed up."
16:18   Liggy   but let's see if I can't find a more definite suspicion than Mashi...
16:18   Verm   Let's talk about a few people then.
16:18   Liggy   let's play the quote game
16:18   Liggy   who said this:
16:18   Liggy   "Of course I haven't done anything, there was nothing to be done."
16:18   Liggy   ?
16:18   Verm   Spitllama is someone who's mildly suspicious
16:18   Verm   maestro
16:18   Liggy   er
16:18   Liggy   how the heck did you answer that so quickly
16:18   Verm   I thought it was a weird quote
16:19   Liggy   well
16:19   Liggy   it is
16:19   Verm   because I think it's pretty easy to take a side on you at this point
16:19   Liggy   er
16:19   Liggy   rephrase that
16:20   Liggy   I'm not making much sense of that statement for some reason
16:20   Verm   When Maestro said that, I'd just made an accusation against you
16:20   Liggy   ah
16:20   Verm   and I think it's pretty easy for him to say yes or no to that
16:20   Liggy   anyways another quote
16:20   Liggy   (in regarding their suspicions)
16:20   Liggy   "Because they haven't done anything. "
16:20   Verm   That was probably TZP when he put the inactives at the top
16:21   Liggy   whoops in regarding makes no sense
16:21   Liggy   and yeah it is
16:21   Liggy   (if you couldn't tell)
16:21   Liggy   (this is me fishing for quotes that seem suspicious)
16:21   Liggy   er
16:21   Verm   tzp is someone interesting because this is his first game
16:21   Liggy   jeez fishing has such a negative connotation
16:22   Liggy   also when does this day end
16:22   Verm   and for a first-time player he's been a lot more active than a lot of players
16:22   Verm   I think sometime tomorrow
16:22   Liggy   ...
16:22   Liggy   who the heck is bubbles and why does TZP trust him more than Mashi.
16:23   Liggy   I mean Mashi hasn't done a lot for his humanity
16:23   Verm   bubbles was someone i threw in with the inactives when i made my suspicion list
16:23   Liggy   but a green seering is probably more concrete than anything anyone else has done
16:23   Verm   yeah
16:23   Liggy   okay
16:24   Liggy   so you've been really passive in this conversation
16:24   Liggy   Suspicions?
16:24   Verm   one second
16:24   Liggy   (and whoops probably shouldn't have told you something mildly suspicious before I let you flesh it out)
16:24   Liggy   (uh)
16:25   Liggy   (disregard my comment on your passivity)
16:25   Liggy   ( )
16:25   Verm   We can talk about spitllama if you want
16:25   Liggy   what about him
16:25   Verm   that's who I have second on my suspicion list at the moment
16:25   Liggy   y
16:25   Verm   Well, he kind of got ignored for defending socialfox
16:26   Verm   which makes him a little more suspicious than blueflower and tzp I think
16:26   Verm   And he, like maestro, saw my accusation against you and didn't do anything with it
16:27   Verm   I don't remember who he voted for but I think it was a dumb vote
16:27   Verm   i have to go in 10 minutes
16:27   Liggy   hrm
16:27   Liggy   making a post detailing what we discussed in this log
16:28   Verm   he voted maestro for voting socialfox
16:28   Liggy   ic
16:29   Verm   http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5214.msg188168#msg188168 is his response to my vote
16:29   Verm   I guess the same is true for dude and BDS
16:29   Liggy   okay
16:29   Verm   but neither of them really made any post with content
16:29   Liggy   still posting
16:29   Liggy   sorry
16:29   Verm   it's fine
16:30   Verm   And I know Maestro was in the chat at some point after I had posted but he didn't feel like reading the accusation
16:30   Verm   I'll look through my log to see when he left
16:31   Verm   I don't have it saved
16:31   Liggy   
16:31   Liggy   anyways scratch what I said about Mashi.
16:31   Verm   maybe I just went straight from the client to the thread and maybe it's there
16:31   Liggy   he retracted his claim and didn't understand you dropped your initial "suspicions" against you.
16:31   Liggy   er
16:31   Liggy   against me
16:32   Liggy   oops
16:32   Verm   But I know Maestro acknowledged my post and said something about "not being arsed to read it"
16:32   Liggy   forgot to ask tzp how I was acting desperate
16:33   Verm   I found an intriguing post from spitllama that makes me think you and he are less likely to be partners
16:33   Verm   before I made my big accusation against you he suggested you be seered
16:33   Liggy   so
16:33   Liggy   basically
16:34   Liggy   you found a post that lowered your suspicion of him
16:34   Verm   a little bit
16:34   Liggy   because you clearly think I'm more of a wolf than he is 
16:34   Verm   It kind of makes me confused
16:34   Liggy   it's not "these guys can't be wolves together"
16:34   Liggy   it's
16:34   Liggy   "since liggy's a wolf, spit's more human"
16:35   Verm   The 80% number I told Sauce is no longer accurate
16:35   Liggy   80% on certainty I'm a wolf?
16:35   Verm   I told him I was 80% sure you were a wolf.
16:35   Liggy   ah
16:35   Verm   And now it's probably 60 or something
16:35   Liggy   aww
16:35   Liggy   ilu2
16:36   Verm   Like logically it adds up that you're a wolf
16:36   Verm   but you're kind of like tzp in that my heart says no?
16:36   Liggy   so are you saying
16:37   Liggy   that me not paying full attention to this game
16:37   Verm   But then again I feel like lynching you to get more information about the alignments of others
16:37   Liggy   is physically impossible
16:37   Verm   It's not that I doubt that
16:37   Verm   It's that I find it odd that you were that against the blueflower lynch while not devoting full attention to the game
16:38   Liggy   okay
16:38   Liggy   well I kinda avoided saying this
16:38   Verm   I would have expected a "let me know why we're lynching blueflower" as opposed to "we shouldn't lynch blueflower"
16:38   Liggy   because I figured you'd probably jump on it
16:38   Liggy   but the >>>> was kinda exaggerrated
16:38   Liggy   and then me being stubborn refused to let up until it was too late
16:39   Verm   well, you've certainly given me something to think about
16:40   Liggy   well
16:40   Liggy   you have to understand
16:40   Liggy   had I said that first that's a pretty stupid argument
16:40   Liggy   but it's the truth 
16:40   Verm   hm
16:40   Liggy   in fact just saying probably made you suspect me mor
16:40   Liggy   e
16:40   Verm   all right, I should get going
16:40   Liggy   Bye!
16:41   Verm   definitely saving this log, and I'll probably hang around the chat since I should be back relatively soon
16:42   Liggy   okay

So here's where I'm at with Liggy.

My head says he's a wolf.  Being so certain of the humanity of Blueflower when he's about to be lynched is suspicious because Liggy's a good player, and I give him the credit to realize that he could use that as a defense later on.  It's even more so when you add on the fact that it's highly possible he believed that the phase was ending early.  What makes it even tougher for me to believe his humanity is the fact that his defense rests on him being uninformed about Blueflower, which further raises the question as to why he was so against lynching Blueflower.

And yet my heart says he's human.  My feelings about the part I italicized, bolded, and underlined are probably most representative of my feelings about Liggy as a whole.  Logically, that's extremely suspicious.  The content of what he said isn't actually a confession, it's a defense.  But the way he said it just seemed really human.  My feelings that Liggy was a human have tripped me up before in one previous game I can remember.  Luckily everyone else disagreed and we lynched him that game, but I'm hoping not to repeat that mistake.

In the end, I'll have to go with my logic over my emotions.  What complicates all of this is the fact that Liggy's one of the few players on whom almost everyone, barring the inactives, has given an opinion.  As such, knowledge of his color is extremely important, and without a seer or a lynch that knowledge is unobtainable.

[Bubbles]

16:22   Liggy   who the heck is bubbles and why does TZP trust him more than Mashi.

Girls play TWG too

But yeah TZP why? I think Mashi is the most-confirmed alive player, even if it is only from a seering

[Yugi]

HEY LOOK I MADE A SUSPICION LIST ARE YOU HAPPY NOW!?

Waddle Bro: Died. Wah.

Octocat: The Best TWG Player in the History of the Site.

Bord: Died. Wah.

Blueflower: Defending me could be some random reverse psycology thing as defending a human makes you a human as well, that is ,
assuming I am human.

BDS: At first I thought he might be the Master wolf when he asked to be seered, but then I remembered that Master wolf thinks he's a normal wolf.

Maestro: Are you just going to vote me every day phase?

Vermverm: Has contributed a lot, but seems to me to be a giant blank.

Bubbbles: Blank

Liggy; Defended blue with weird reasons, randomly accusing me of being a wolf in an unlogged chat. And some other stuff in general.
Not sure how he plays, but my votes still on him.

Shadowkirby: Randomly bandwagoned on blueflower. Other than that, blank.

TZP: That suspicion list is wolfy, suspecting people just because their inactives is weird.

Spit: See Blueflower.

JubJub: Blank

Mashi: Blank, YOU'RE TWC MASHI, I SHOULD HAVE SOME JUDGEMENT ON YOU.

K-Night: Other than not explaining his Suspicions, Blank.

[Yugi]

Also, I found out with random dectective work that Out of the 3 Dead players, Dude is the Seer.

Feel free to prove me wrong.

[vermilionvermin]

What if Waddle Bro's the seer?

[Bubbles]

It doesn't really matter, does it? There's no revivals, and since the seer is dead he's dead.

[Yugi]

Oh wait no, waddles the seer, because of order of powers.

I just wanted to feel superior.

[blueflower999]

My top three suspicions based on a quick read through of the thread are

SocialFox
Verm
TZP

and that's that.

...why? No reason? And no vote?

K-Night

Yeah, I know, I've got nothing.

[Toby]

You guys seem confused about when the phase ends! You should pm me what time zones you want the phase ending time in!

Phase ends in 6hours 30mins or so

[Toby]

1 hour and 15 min left in phase. Vote count will be done soon.

[spitllama]

Liggy. Lez riiide the cardflip.