TWG XLVI: Have it Your Way

[Yugi]

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its not registered - muahaha i changed the topic!!!111!!
Topic set by Liggy on Thu Jan 10 2013 09:20:21 GMT+1100 (AUS Eastern Daylight Time)
10:50      *** idk is now known as whois
10:51   spit   Oh I see
10:51   Fox   Hello.
10:51   bird   Let's figure out who to lynhc!
10:51   bird   lynch*
10:51   spit   Yes please. I haven't been paying attention as much as I should have.
10:51   spit   And at this point the wolves can pretty much pick the lynch with the KiTBs
10:52      *** Vermilionvermin joined #TWGNSM
10:52   Fox   Hi verm
10:53   Vermilionvermin   hi fox
10:53   spit   Hi spit
10:53      *** Qew quit (Quit: <3)
10:53   whois   Suspicions.
10:53   Fox   Why did you say hello to yourself?
10:53   whois   Discuss.
10:54   bird   Vermilionvermin: Is your name registered on this server?
10:54   Fox   Looking back at his posts, I am getting a little suspicious of Liggy.
10:54   Vermilionvermin   I think so
10:54   bird   mashi give verm da powah
10:54   Vermilionvermin   i forgot what the command was to log in
10:54   Vermilionvermin   or identify
10:54   Vermilionvermin   it's something involving that
10:54      --- Mashi has banned *!*@NF-94CFEAAA.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net
10:54   Mashi   WHOOPS.
10:54   bird   lol
10:55      --- Mashi has unbanned *!*@NF-94CFEAAA.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net
10:55   Vermilionvermin   why did you bant me
10:55   Mashi    /msg nickserv identify passwordhere
10:55   bird   yes
10:56      +++ ChanServ has given op to Vermilionvermin
10:56   Vermilionvermin   ty
10:56   Vermilionvermin   it says i'm not registered
10:56   bird   to register, just type
10:57   bird    /msg nickserv register password email
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10:58   Vermilionvermin   thanks
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11:01   Fox   I placed a vote.
11:01   Vermilionvermin   I'm about to.
11:02   bird   blueflower for president
11:02   bird   i mean lynch
11:05   Vermilionvermin   I just posted
11:08   Fox   bird blueflower wants you dead.
11:08   bird   yeah what is his deal
11:08   bird   i'm just going to find a game where i voted quickly as a human to invalidate his vote
11:09   Vermilionvermin   im going to find more where you voted quickly as a wolf!!!!!
11:09   Fox   Uprising madness.
11:09   Fox   O wait you were a wolf in UM.
11:10   Liggy   hey fox
11:10   Liggy   why do you suspect me?
11:10   Fox   You pushing the mashi triple power seemed weird to me.
11:11   Fox   I'll change my vote back.
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11:13   Liggy   wtf
11:13   Liggy   I didn't push the mashi triple power.
11:14   Liggy   I asked for Mashi to be Seered and Guarded which makes no sense.
11:14   Liggy   well
11:14   Liggy   no sense for it to be evidence against me.
11:14   Vermilionvermin   i think he's talking about the time when you posted the quote saying that mashi wanted to be tracked
11:14   Liggy   uh
11:14   Liggy   k
11:14   Liggy   anyways the tracking is kinda useless in this game
11:14   bird   i responded to blueflower
11:14   Liggy   because people are going to vote with the norm on the nights they're tracked
11:15   Liggy   @Sauce: Who did you vote for at the beginning and why?
11:15   Liggy   I think it was Fox, but I honestly forget.
11:15   bird   SocialFox, then I changed my vote once the master wolf information was reiterated.
11:15   bird   To blueflower999.
11:16   Liggy   (partially because I'm not really assigning these names to anything)
11:16   Liggy   (I don't know any of these people)
11:17   Fox   I've got a plan that will make tracking not useless.
11:17   Liggy   care to explain?
11:17   Fox   So.
11:17   bird   Tracking will always be worthless, since wolves never have an incentive to vote against the majority.
11:17   Fox   I send a PM to everyone except the person I want semitracked.
11:18   Fox   And I tell them to Semitrack that person.
11:18   Liggy   yes
11:18   Liggy   but the thing is
11:18   bird   If the person in question is a wolf, their partners will tell them.
11:18   Liggy   yeah that
11:18   bird   And if the person in question is not a wolf, they'll be following the human plan anyway.
11:18   Liggy   and why would people trust you
11:19   Vermilionvermin   Or we could just tell enough to get a simple majority
11:19   Vermilionvermin   four players should be enough to control it
11:20   Vermilionvermin   or how about this
11:20   bird   But tracking still won't matter, since wolves will still vote for the majority-agreed seering/guarding.
11:20   Vermilionvermin   what if everyone voted the person above them on the players list
11:20   Vermilionvermin   then it's a kitb
11:21   Vermilionvermin   and nobody knows who's tracked
11:21   Liggy   then wolves decides who gets tracked
11:21   bird   Yeah, wolves would just control it
11:21   Vermilionvermin   at least that way we can kind of try to figure out things based on who gets tracked
11:21   Vermilionvermin   actually you're probably right
11:21   Vermilionvermin   nvm
11:21   Liggy   so uh
11:22   Liggy   Fox is thought to be a human because?
11:22   Liggy   I think a human would be more concerned for trying to find a wolf than looking suspicious.
11:22   bird   Because he talked about "not voting for someone to be seered since it would make him look like a wolf voting for his master wolf partner"
11:22   bird   But the wolves don't know which of them are master wolves. I think a wolf wouldn't have made an error like that.
11:22   Vermilionvermin   And the rules say that the wolves don't know who the master wolf is
11:22   Liggy   well
11:23   Liggy   yeah I saw that
11:23   Liggy   but uh
11:23   Liggy   do people on nsm not feign ignorance or something
11:23   bird   I guess it's possible, but I'd lean human on him still.
11:26   Liggy   Okay.
11:26   bird   Liggy have you voted?
11:26   Liggy   no
11:27   Liggy   I don't know who to suspect.
11:27   Liggy   Which is lame.
11:27   bird   you have to pick somebody suspicious to suspect
11:28   Liggy   okay
11:28   Liggy   hold up
11:28   Liggy   evidently there's an asteroid outside and it would be cool to see
11:28   bird   but it's an unimpressive white dot
11:32   Liggy   I couldn't find it.
11:32   Liggy   Either it's indistinguishable from a star or I missed it.
11:32   Liggy   or
11:32   Liggy   it looked exactly like an airplane
11:33   Vermilionvermin   asteroids are actually aliens' airplanes
11:34   Vermilionvermin   so it might have looked identical to an airplane
11:34   Liggy   makes sense
11:34   Liggy   well
11:34   Liggy   it was supposed to pass a half hour ago
11:34   Liggy   I think they take less than 30 minutes to pass
11:34   Liggy   so
11:38   Fox   So we have 8 hours to lynch someone.
11:38   Vermilionvermin   is it really only that long?
11:38   Fox   yes]
11:38   bird   toby iz worst host
11:44   Fox   Boy said around an hour ago that there was 9 hours left in the Phase/
11:47   whois   are we discussing stuff now
11:47   Vermilionvermin   who is whois
11:47   bird   mashi
11:47   whois   Mashi.
11:49   whois   I find BlackDragonSlayer a bit suspicious.
11:49      *** whois is now known as Vera
11:50   Vera   Because of his response to Bird's vote on SocialFox.
11:50   Vera   Oh, whoops.
11:50   Vera   That was blueflower999.
11:50   Vera   Never miiind.
11:50   Vera   Well, I find blueflower999 suspicious, I mean.
11:50   bird   How is BlackDragonSlayer suspicious? He propsed a seering of himself.
11:50   bird   Oh.
11:50   Vera   "^I wouldn't be too quick with that, Bird. Social could easily have been framed by the wolf choosing to wolf Waddle Bro."
11:51   Vermilionvermin   one day wolves are going to propose self seerings
11:51   Vermilionvermin   don't see bds doing it anytime soon though
11:51   Vera   Mostly the addendum with someone framing Social.
11:51   Vera   "SocialFox for being super weird last phase."
11:51   Vera   Your comment made no mention of the wolfing at all.
11:51   Vera   So I feel that it seems like something blueflower999 wanted to say to appear Human.
11:57      --- Vermilionvermin is away (Away)

[Liggy]

I can live with lynching blueflower because I doubt a better candidate is going to appear soon.

[TheZeldaPianist275]

I have been persuaded.  Changing vote to blueflower999.

[EFitTrainr]

blueflower999 because bandwagons

[Bird]

TZP, do you mind me asking what persuaded you?

shadowkirby, you too.

[EFitTrainr]

Because bandwagons
but you're right
changing to a safety on shadowkirby

[blueflower999]

Seriously, how does my behavior now at all appear to be what I was last game?

And whoa, guys, stop bandwagoning. TZP, didn't you do the same thing I did? Why are you voting for me?

[blueflower999]

Yeah, I disagree Bird.  It wasn't that weird.  Right now I don't have any solid suspicions, but I vote Bird, because that seems like jumping the gun a little.

Yeah, here it is.

And also, why the freak would I wolf Waddle? He's coll! If I'd learned ANYTHING From last game, it would be to wolf Verm and Mashi first. 

[Yugi]

it would be to wolf Verm and Mashi first. 

But thats rude and not proper ettiquite.

[blueflower999]

But thats rude and not proper ettiquite.

...exactly why I didn't do it last game. But I'll take being rude over losing by a hair. 

[vermilionvermin]

Why are people ignoring how wolfy shadowkirby's votes are?

[TheZeldaPianist275]

arrgh, now I'm torn

@Bird

@blueflower999

Dude, seriously?

I only had to look at one human game to find an instance where I did the exact same thing. I explained my vote perfectly well, and had already stated why his behavior was weird in the prior night phase. On top of that, I changed my vote off him as soon as information came up indicating he was likely not a wolf. Now I'm arguing that he's the most human player here.

Since I'm always quick to vote for people, and since my vote was explained perfectly well, you don't really have a reason to vote for me. Please change it, or at least have the courtesy to push for a night 2 seering before getting the most active human lynched.

This originally convinced me.  Not sure what to think now.  That sure didn't sound very wolfy.  I guess I am quite new at this, so I could be wrong.  For right now, my vote remains on Blueflower.

[Bird]

Why are people ignoring how wolfy shadowkirby's votes are?

I don't really suspect him, he's a horrible enough human for such behavior to be typical.

I think that even though blue isn't super suspicious, we can learn a lot from his lynch. Sorry man!

[vermilionvermin]

I'd be cool with a Liggy lynch or seering as well.  His treatment of blueflower doesn't seem like he's giving blueflower a fair opportunity for lynching.  I could see Liggy either defending a wolf partner or setting himself up for a green seering making him look more human.  I'll post the log of the chat when it's done.  You should come on down if you're online.

[MaestroUGC]

Just got back from work, umm, I see that some things are going down.

SocialFox, because I'm a petty bastard.