Politics

[Pianist Da Sootopolis]

All racists are bigots, but not all bigots are racists, yes.

[Dude]

Ok yeah, I don't think you needed to fill in the blanks as I figured it was pretty obvious, but ok.

[TheMarioPianist]

Anytime you have to create a preface of how your next thought isn't racist.....it's gonna be racist.

Not true at all. I've seen what networks like CNN have done to Trump's words long enough to know that non-racist comments can be twisted to sound racist. Misinterpretation is very possible, especially as we appear to be on different sides of the political spectrum.

Qualified HOW?  Because they had better GPA's?  Because they grew up in a situation where they have an overwhelming advantage over others?

Better GPAs and test scores, yes. I understand that there is a correlation between life situations and ability to put up those grades and scores, but explain this to me. I get these college letters all the time from fairly prestigious universities that promise full rides if you get somewhat decent grades and test scores but your parents make <$60,000 a year. (Mind you, these tuition costs can range from $20,000-$60,000 per year.) Meanwhile, I can have a 4.2 GPA, 35 ACT, and a 1560 SAT (out of 1600), but I am barely able to get any scholarship $$$ out of these schools (half tuition at most) because my parents "unfortunately" are moderately successful middle class citizens. I know I don't have to choose these schools, but something seems not exactly right with this situation.

Now let me pull a few quotes from President-elect Donald Trump's personal history.

""When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending the best. They're not sending you, they're sending people that have lots of problems and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bring crime. They're rapists..."

"Our great African-American President hasn't exactly had a positive impact on the thugs who are so happily and openly destroying Baltimore."

"Jeb Bush has to like the Mexican Illegals because of his wife."

I don't know about you, but this sounds like a bigot to me.

Uh, no, it doesn't. Like Noc said, if anything it is racism. Racism is intolerance towards different ethnic groups, while bigotry is intolerance towards people with differences of opinion. They are not the same thing. And aside from the last quote, I really don't view those as racist anyway. They are quite blunt, but they aren't really lies....

[Dude]

Ok I still don't think you all understand what bigotry is.

Bigotry contains at least one or more of those words that breaks people into groups and like makes one better than the rest.

Example time!!

Racism is when people are split by race.
Sexism is when people are split by sex
Homophobia...ism is when people are split up by sexual orientation... Or something.

They can all be grouped under bigotry, but bigotry itself is not all of those things.

K?

[Dudeman]

Google says:

big·ot
ˈbiɡət/
noun
a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.

big·ot·ry
ˈbiɡətrē/
noun
intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

I'm not defending TMP here, but we're clearly working with two different definitions of these terms. Y'all might want to figure out which one to use: intolerance towards other opinions, or discrimination. They aren't the same thing.

[Dude]

☆★Dude★☆ - Today 6:40 PM
> I can't wait till someone posts a dictionary definition of bigotry in the politics topic to try to counter me

☆★Dude★☆ - Today 6:41 PM
> I'm calling it rn

☆★Dude★☆ - Today 6:49 PM
> Holy fucking shit

☆★Dude★☆ - Today 6:49 PM
> Holy

☆★Dude★☆ - Today 6:49 PM
> Fucking

Alti - Today 6:49 PM
> did ti happen?

☆★Dude★☆ - Today 6:49 PM
> Shit

☆★Dude★☆ - Today 6:49 PM
> Yes

☆★Dude★☆ - Today 6:49 PM
> I'm dying


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot

Full Definition of bigot
:  a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially :  one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.

YEAH FUCK YOUR GOOGLE DEFINITION.

*MIC DROP*

[WaluigiTime64]

I mean, instead of fussing over the word "bigot", you could just say "<discriminative> prick" or something else more obvious.

[Olimar12345]

Dude I'm so glad to have you back xD lol rekt

[FireArrow]

(Mind you, these tuition costs can range from $20,000-$60,000 per year.) Meanwhile, I can have a 4.2 GPA, 35 ACT, and a 1560 SAT (out of 1600), but I am barely able to get any scholarship $$$ out of these schools (half tuition at most) because my parents "unfortunately" are moderately successful middle class citizens.

Are you telling me that as an upper middle class family you don't qualify for finacial aid?! What a horrible injustice, how dare it be difficult for well off families to get more than... half tuition (seriously?)!

[Dude]

Dude I'm so glad to have you back xD lol rekt

sorry i get really worked up over definitions

[SlowPokemon]

Dude I'm so glad to have you back xD lol rekt

THIS

It was maybe a bit calmer but it didn't feel like NSM without you dude

[E. Gadd Industries]

sorry i get really worked up over definitions

I like this quote. XD

[Concerto No.20 in D minor]

Not true at all. I've seen what networks like CNN have done to Trump's words long enough to know that non-racist comments can be twisted to sound racist. Misinterpretation is very possible, especially as we appear to be on different sides of the political spectrum.


Better GPAs and test scores, yes. I understand that there is a correlation between life situations and ability to put up those grades and scores, but explain this to me. I get these college letters all the time from fairly prestigious universities that promise full rides if you get somewhat decent grades and test scores but your parents make <$60,000 a year. (Mind you, these tuition costs can range from $20,000-$60,000 per year.) Meanwhile, I can have a 4.2 GPA, 35 ACT, and a 1560 SAT (out of 1600), but I am barely able to get any scholarship $$$ out of these schools (half tuition at most) because my parents "unfortunately" are moderately successful middle class citizens. I know I don't have to choose these schools, but something seems not exactly right with this situation.

Imagine this.  Javier is an 18 year old, high school graduate, looking to get into University.  He sent out his papers, and he had a 3.5 GPA, a good 27 ACT score.  His parents make only $55,000 a year between them, both working full time jobs.  Javier and his family have had to rely on food stamps to get by for the past few years, and one of his parents is an immigrant and neither have gone to college.  Javier started working at 13 for pocket money and to support his family.

Now picture this.  Jake is an 18 year old, high school graduate looking to get into University.  He sent out his papers, (he doesn't know why he has to do it right now, he really wants to go back packing in Europe with his friends for 6 months, so he can "experience the world," he had a 3.9 GPA and a 32 ACT score.  His parents make $150,000 between them, both of them are working full-time, with great benefits, and they shop at Whole Foods twice a week.  Both of Jake's parents have college degrees.  Jake has worked the past two summers part-time to save up money for his trip, but he's worried he's going to have to work part-time while going to college to afford it, because his parents are only willing to give him $5000 a semester and his scholarship only covers half.

Both kids are accepted to the same school, Javier with a full ride, and Jake with about half of his tuition payed for.  Now can you explain to me WHY?

Quote from: Concerto No.20 in D minor on November 11, 2016, 14:06:36
Anytime you have to create a preface of how your next thought isn't racist.....it's gonna be racist.

Not true at all. I've seen what networks like CNN have done to Trump's words long enough to know that non-racist comments can be twisted to sound racist. Misinterpretation is very possible, especially as we appear to be on different sides of the political spectrum.

That is not even a response.  I said, whenever you have to preface something with, "Now I know this is going to sound racist, but it's not,"  You're gonna have a bad time.  I'm telling you this for your benefit.  I'm not saying, nor was implying that Trump was racist in that quote, and I wasn't making a statement about media twisting words.  I'm telling you that you should not warn people that, although your next idea might sound racist that it really isn't, because it most likely will be. 

[KefkaticFanatic]

I find it useful to share a post by Nevada Senator Harry Reid.  It covers most of what we are trying to say I feel.  The gist of it is this: Donald Trump not only has incited racial, sexual, and other terroristic violence, but has himself directly condoned personally committing those acts.  This disgusting bigotry only energizes and enables the scum of this country that follows those points of view. 

If Trump truly "didn't mean it", if he really "wouldn't do those things", the very first thing he needs to do, for anyone across the globe to consider him as any more than a dangerous lunatic, would be to immediately publicly reject those views, and speak out in a way that informs those supporters of his that did hold them that he is not and will never be the representative of hatred.

I have personally been on the ballot in Nevada for 26 elections and I have never seen anything like the reaction to the election completed last Tuesday. The election of Donald Trump has emboldened the forces of hate and bigotry in America.

White nationalists, Vladimir Putin and ISIS are celebrating Donald Trump's victory, while innocent, law-abiding Americans are wracked with fear – especially African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Muslim Americans, LGBT Americans and Asian Americans. Watching white nationalists celebrate while innocent Americans cry tears of fear does not feel like America.

I have heard more stories in the past 48 hours of Americans living in fear of their own government and their fellow Americans than I can remember hearing in five decades in politics. Hispanic Americans who fear their families will be torn apart, African Americans being heckled on the street, Muslim Americans afraid to wear a headscarf, gay and lesbian couples having slurs hurled at them and feeling afraid to walk down the street holding hands. American children waking up in the middle of the night crying, terrified that Trump will take their parents away. Young girls unable to understand why a man who brags about sexually assaulting women has been elected president.

I have a large family. I have one daughter and twelve granddaughters. The texts, emails and phone calls I have received from them have been filled with fear – fear for themselves, fear for their Hispanic and African American friends, for their Muslim and Jewish friends, for their LBGT friends, for their Asian friends. I've felt their tears and I've felt their fear.

We as a nation must find a way to move forward without consigning those who Trump has threatened to the shadows. Their fear is entirely rational, because Donald Trump has talked openly about doing terrible things to them. Every news piece that breathlessly obsesses over inauguration preparations compounds their fear by normalizing a man who has threatened to tear families apart, who has bragged about sexually assaulting women and who has directed crowds of thousands to intimidate reporters and assault African Americans. Their fear is legitimate and we must refuse to let it fall through the cracks between the fluff pieces.

If this is going to be a time of healing, we must first put the responsibility for healing where it belongs: at the feet of Donald Trump, a sexual predator who lost the popular vote and fueled his campaign with bigotry and hate. Winning the electoral college does not absolve Trump of the grave sins he committed against millions of Americans. Donald Trump may not possess the capacity to assuage those fears, but he owes it to this nation to try.

If Trump wants to roll back tide of hate he unleashed, he has a tremendous amount of work to do and he must begin immediately.

[mikey]

I've been hearing those stories too, but automatically discounting the ones that are "someone left this note on my car" and all the ones on tumblr, cause tumblr is just a bunch of attention whores.
At the same time, there's a lot of rioting, protesting, and flag burning.  Neither are ok and both are the results of idiots, not the president