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Started by spitllama, September 05, 2012, 07:15:02 PM

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mikey

Most of them seem to think the election process is rigged
Also yes too much dank meme stash
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FireArrow

Well with trump as the Republican candidate it kinda is. ;3
Quote from: Dudeman on January 23, 2017, 05:35:59 PM
straight from the department of redundancy department

mikey

Feel entirely free to ignore this.  It's what deadpool would do.
Political musings...
As a legal adult, I'm given the strange privilege of voicing a strong opinion about any matter I choose while in actuality knowing next to nothing about it.  I try to refrain from that, but I am only human.  You never really understand how ignorant you are.  Thinking otherwise only proves the point.
Somewhere along the road I figured out I was conservative.  Not incredibly conservative, but enough for me to dislike FDR's policies.  Because I'm so young and ignorant, though, it almost didn't occur to me that in the US there is another political viewpoint that greatly differs from mine.  That's a pretty scary thing to realize.  That according to half of your country, everything you think you know about politics and economics is horribly inaccurate.
But how can they be right, when what I believe seems so natural and obvious?  A fascinating facet of our government.  Even when the nation was born, this schism was apparent.  Some said we needed a strong central government.  Others disagreed, that the people should be stronger.  The Framers' incredible solution is why America's government is the longest standing in the world.
Right now America feels divided in many ways.  Political, social, and economic turmoil is causing greater division.  Everyone has their opinion on everything, and we're right and the others are wrong, for what other possibility is there?
But as a conservative, it becomes concerning when your supposed political representative does not share your beliefs.  Even more terrifying is the support he's gaining.  How can so many feel that our political system is so flawed that a man who is surely nothing more than a tyrant should be so strongly supported?
It becomes entirely more possible that it's me who has been wrong this whole time.  How am I supposed to think, interpret, act, when so many say that I am simply wrong?  Do I give in to the masses or hold firm?
If I am to continue believing my own thoughts and feelings, how can I do that when my options for the representative of America are a megalomaniac, one labeled by many as a criminal, or one who appears to want America to become something else entirely?  Are they what America embodies?
The Declaration of Independence protects our right to revolt against tyranny.  Are we on the brink of government collapse?  Am I blowing things out of proportion?  I suspect that no matter how bad our situation may be, America will continue.  Perhaps we aren't as divided as the media would have us believe.  Perhaps, though we all disagree, we, the people believe that America, as an idea, is worth preserving.
I'm sure I know little enough that to engage in the political process seems foolhardy at best.  More expedient for me is to learn.  I'm old enough to understand.  All the problems that America and even the world seems to be facing are surely just conjurations of dissenters.
Maybe giving up is the best thing to do.  We have evidence of socialistic democracies working, and if all else fails, maybe America was not meant to last.  For now, though, I think giving up seems premature.  I still have hope.
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BlackDragonSlayer

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on May 25, 2016, 09:13:00 PMMost of them seem to think the election process is rigged
Also yes too much dank meme stash
Clinton and Sanders have roughly the same number of delegates (1,768 and 1,497 respectively), but Clinton has an extra 537 Superdelegates (and one might argue that if she didn't have the support of these superdelegates, more people would be willing to support Bernie)... so there's that to think about. While it's not necessarily "rigged," as far as we know, it probably couldn't be considered very fair to a lot of people.
And the moral of the story: Quit while you're a head.

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#1234
With ongoing voter fraud investigations in multiple states, I think it's safe to say Clinton and DNC have rigged the fuck out of this primary.

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Everyone needs to watch this.
This episode is more accurate than ever right now and south park is just amazing in general anyways.

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on May 26, 2016, 03:56:42 AMsnip

Contrary to popular beliefs, the president doesn't have enough power to destroy the US by himself. Calling Hillary a criminal and Trump a dictator may or may not be accurate, but they aren't gonna be able to practice those things in office to an extent that will change what you know as everyday living.

Anyways, why do you talk about being conservative like it's some defining unchangeable part of who you are? You have political beliefs, those beliefs should be what you believe is right at the time based on the current evidence and what not availible to you. Your post comes across as "I was born a conservative and found out at a pretty young age therefore whenever I am presented with issues I must always choose the sides labeled "conservative" as that is who I am, however, right now the side labeled "conservative" isn't who I am and I don't know what to do because I've always been a true conservative at heart."

Like brah, just do what you think is right. Whether it be called "conservative" or "liberal" is arbitrary. You're beliefs are gonna be different from everyone else's, if ever so slightly, so just stick to "I believe what nocturne of shadow believes in" rather than "I'm conservative" and I think this entire identity crisis or whatever will solve itself.

Quote from: Dudeman on January 23, 2017, 05:35:59 PM
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I have a feeling politics would be a lot more popular if this is how every single speech and debate was done.


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Pianist Da Sootopolis

Thought of the moment:
Somewhere between 20,000 and 45,000 people die every year b/c of lack of basic healthcare.
45 people have died between 9/11 and 2015 in the U.S. from Islamic terrorism.
If these numbers were flipped, we'd probably be bombing the living hell out of the Middle East more than we are now, but tens of thousands of people die from something we can fix easily.


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mikey

terrorism numbers are always low though, it's not about killing people (I mean neither is lack of healthcare, though it is effective).  Just saying that you can find a better example, like DHMO or cell phones
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Dude

What about cell phones?

mikey

cell phones: the silent killers (unless they're on vibrate)
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BlackDragonSlayer

Quote from: Pianist Da Sootopolis on June 03, 2016, 01:24:12 PMIf these numbers were flipped, we'd probably be bombing the living hell out of the Middle East more than we are now, but tens of thousands of people die from something we can fix easily.
I'm not really sure if that's something that could be fixed "easily"... one could also argue that the reason why the deaths from terrorism are lower than they could be is because governments are actively working to stop terrorism, not to mention any other deaths or costs that result from the actions of terrorist groups (i.e. war and other conflicts in the Middle East, refugees, etc.)... not to mention the fact that you can't just leave a threat like that unresolved, for several reasons (one of the most important ethically is the well-being of the people actually living in those conditions; it sure wouldn't help international relations if everybody just went "ah, screw it" and did absolutely nothing to help- I don't know if you're explicitly encouraging that, but your post seems to drastically downplay the ramifications of the situation).

Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on June 03, 2016, 01:26:12 PMterrorism numbers are always low though, it's not about killing people (I mean neither is lack of healthcare, though it is effective).  Just saying that you can find a better example, like DHMO or cell phones
Yeah; I never see anybody talking about DHMO, but most people don't realize how dangerous it is!!!!! I mean, inhaling it is pretty lethal!
And the moral of the story: Quit while you're a head.

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