Politics

[Dude]

Hilldog really needs to figure out it was her being a gross person and not everyone else.

I mean to me, neither option was decent.

[SlowPokemon]

Hillary's book blamed a lot of people Bernie, Comey, Obama.. Sorry, not a fan.

Obviously you didn't read it because she says nothing but positive things about Obama in this book and she blames herself as much if not more so than any of those other people

[mikey]

#ObamaDidNothingWrong

@Tobbeh, on the plus side, "Battle of the Baltic" is REALLY freaking catchy.

[Pianist Da Sootopolis]

Obviously you didn't read it because she says nothing but positive things about Obama in this book and she blames herself as much if not more so than any of those other people

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/09/people-clinton-blames-for-her-election-loss

[mikey]

vanityfair.com

/news

:Thonk:

[Pianist Da Sootopolis]

I wouldn't, normally, but it's literally all excerpts from her book (they're pretty supportive of her anyways so it's not like you're gonna find anti-Hillary bias there).

[SlowPokemon]

Yeahhh but those little excerpts are not at all representative of the impressions that you get from actually reading it. The book is 500 pages and she says a lot about each of those people, of course some of it will be bad, but I'm about 200 pages in at this point and she's said nothing but positive things about Obama (it is pretty easy to tell that she doesn't like Bernie Sanders though).

[Tobbeh99]

And also:
Wikileaks (Russia->Wikileaks->releases info->Clinton loses)
Alex Jones ^^

It caught my attention how Bernie Sanders looks at Sweden and other Scandinavian countries as good examples of how he want the US to be, as I live here. The biggest problem seem to be his blindly global view of society, that you can put any government system on any place in the world (so in theory you could make North Korea capitalist, won't happen soon but you get the point). The main reason I think it has worked well here is because of the fact that the country is pretty much "built" on socialism. All the way back to like the 30s,40s,50s and on it has been socialistic. And I think Sweden, and other Scandinavian countries, has developed over time. And you look at USA's history, and it is clear that it is pretty different. Also the thing about "free college, healthcare" (actually "tax-paid", but I guess "free" sounds better to people) sure is nice Sweden. But the thing is that, whether you have it tax-paid or pay to private-owned company, you still have to pay! So it's just 2 different roads. And then different economist most surely have different views trying to say that either is better. But y, I'm kind of skeptic of how he paint up some utopia like that. Also worth noting is that Sweden (and maybe other Scandinavian countries, and European countries) has been at sort of a low point recently. With high unemployment rate, and having serious problems in various important sections (like with healthcare, and the "help to find a job" administration). So it's probably better to look at Sweden in the like 80s or 50s, when it was "on the way up", rather than now when it is "grey and bad socialism". I've also heard a politcal analyst from Azerbajdzjan, talking about how it is "impossible for Russia to be a liberal capitalist country. They tried it during the Yeltin presidency and it completely failed.". And that brings to theorize about if it is "impossible" for the US to be a socialist/communist nation. Pretty tough question. But during the year it has seemed as the world is some sort of political scale from Russia to US. Russia and China being Socialist/Communist, US being Capitalist/Market-Liberal, and Europe in between. Crazy how it lined up like that. 

[Dudeman]

Azerbajdzjan

At first I thought this was a hilarious intentional misspelling of Azerbaijan, but then I realized it's probably just the Scandanavian spelling

rats

[mikey]

It's a bajd spelling

[Tobbeh99]

I think after a while that I found the perfect image for the type of politics in Sweden: Circus-socialism. Like, I've just seen how the society has fallen apart more and more and problems arise, in various ways. But man, it really caught my eye when I watched some "worst of the Swedish government"-video. With things like the Environmental party's leader talking about about how there's "White heterosexual men" everywhere, and some other person from the same party almost trying to argue for that "the Syrian war started because of drought (climate change)". When I see those things, and when people talking all the time about rasism, feminism and the patriarchy and etc. I think "Circus-socialism" is a pretty fitting word. And the prime minister, unlike the other politicians, acts pretty formal and reasonable. But he's like the "Circus director" in the Circus, having a nice suit and all. I mean in the previous socialist government in early 2000, you rarely heard all this kind of nonsense talk, but now it's all over the place. And it's not even Marxism in the sense that it reduces the class-gap (rich and poor gap), because iot has increased since the 80s! And also collectivism, state owned property hasn't increased, so fail... And if you look at the other side, now when the moderate party has a new leader, it's just way better. He got a "James Bond" sort of feeling to him, and also like a "CEO" or a "Headmaster", but rather that than a fucking Circus director! Rather "Sweden inc." that "Circus Sweden".It feels so opposite here in Sweden in than in the US. Like the "dumb politicians" in the US seems to be like Christian fundamentalists and like "cowboy people", and also some guys who think they're like the "neighbor hero" who everybody loves. But here it's the opposite with like retarded circus leftist, and like purist hippie people.

I also love The Moderate party in Sweden more and more. Just saw a recent facebook ad that said literally nothing but positive things about the new party leader. Like "He'll surely bring back the party from like 17% to like 20% and more in a few month" and a lot of good things about his personality "radiates competence and is skillful in the debates". Just love the leader bias in the party! Like that's something you'll never see in the Socialist Party ! (and that's because the leader in the socialist party is supposed to be like "one of the people" and not "a leader of the people". Can't wait to end this circus my country has become!

[mikey]

Nfl players have apparently started kneeling during the national anthem.  I watched the packers game (knew they would win, prayed they would lose), and apparently a few people knelt in that game during the anthem.  The fact that stuff like this is going on is about the scariest thing I've ever seen or heard of happening in america

[Dudeman]

Most (all?) of the Seahawks stayed in their locker room during the national anthem at the Titans game Sunday, people are really upset about that

[mikey]

It really makes me Because Idk why they're doing it or what they mean by it
They seem to perceive the state of the union a bit differently than I do

[Dude]

I don't understand why it bothers people...

It has nothing to do with you personally so let it go.