TWG XXXVII - Time for a History Lesson

[Dude]

Post.

[FSM-Reapr]

I decided to claim my role.

I'm Cleopatra. I'm still the man. Aw yeah.

[K-NiGhT]

Fool. You've just claimed human to a game where not even the wolves know each other. I wonder who will get wolfed night 1... :|

[FSM-Reapr]

I figured that the first vote has already been given. And if not, I hope the guardian would guard me to prevent the lynching.

[FSM-Reapr]

Also I'm in the chat now.

[Kman96]

What did you exactly ask?

I was having a bit of trouble understanding the concept between Andrew Jackson's power (Duelist), Abe Lincoln's (Emancipation), and Alexander the Great's (Rally).

Its all good now.

Is it just me, or does it seem that Caligula is the only one without a power (albeit, he's a wolf)? Maestro, why is that?

[MaestroUGC]

As a brutal wolf, he gets a free kill if he's lynched. To give him anything more would make him too powerful.

[spitllama]

IMPORTANT TO POST SO EVERYONE READ AND BE ASTONISHED!

spitthehooman   Hrm. Okay. Here goes FSM-leader game again.
13:08   Kman96   ok, so who are you guys suspicious of as of RIGHT NOW?
13:08   davy   Nope
13:08   davy   because FSM is a wolf and I am Cleo
13:09   Kman96   D:
13:09   spitthehooman   OH NOES
13:09   sheikah   lul wut
13:09   spitthehooman   I love this game
13:09   fsm   I claimed also so if I die, you would know who I was
13:09   spitthehooman   davy you know I tried this two games ago xD
13:09   davy   Yes, but FSM is more experienced now
13:10   fsm   spit remember our last face-off
13:10   davy   also, I can prove that I'm cleo by the above theory

[FSM-Reapr]

lol you didn't include our talk before that

[davy]

Then I'll include it.

me was here last night...
21:51   fsm   *gets wolved*
21:51   mib_mhc34i   hi
21:52   Kman96   is that you, me?
21:52      *** mib_mhc34i is now known as davy
21:52   Kman96   nope.
21:52   spitthehooman   That's better
21:52   fsm   WOLF
21:52   Kman96   ?
21:52   davy   fsm, why did you claim?
21:52   spitthehooman   He likes to stir the pot
21:52   spitthehooman   And he likes leadership roles
21:52   spitthehooman   And wants to be guarded because coll
21:53   fsm   To make wolf vote me and guardian to prevent that
21:53   davy   The wolf will probably have voted allready
21:53   davy   because only the first wolving goes through
21:53   spitthehooman   I doubt that
21:53   fsm   Yes, just in case
21:53   Kman96   you realize that if FSM is guarded (and he claims to be Cleopatra), the wolves might already be wolfing someone else who could by chance be the seer/guardian?
21:53   spitthehooman   With only one chance to vote they'll probably wait till last minute... or at least day of
21:54   fsm   no because they might wolf one of their own
21:54   Kman96   well they've only got until about 6 AST to vote because they have to vote within 24 hours.
21:54   spitthehooman   True, but I wish someone with a bit more valuable role would have claimed and been guarded
21:54   Kman96   they could wolf ANYBODY, fsm.
21:54   spitthehooman   (that was to FSM)
21:55   Kman96   my point exactly.
21:55   davy   I agree with spit
21:55   Kman96   that's why verm and I discussed Churchill claiming.
21:55   fsm   I'm currently the only confirmed human
21:55   davy   Also, there is another reason why I don't like the fact that fsm claimed cleopatra, because it looks like a very woolfy move
21:55   Kman96   you're not confirmed.
21:55   Kman96   no one can be confirmed.
21:56   spitthehooman   Definitely not confirmed
21:56   spitthehooman   So far from it
21:56   Kman96   you could be a wolf for all we know.
21:56   davy   if a wolf claims as a role, they have a chance to scare off the player who trully has that role
21:56   sheikah   jeez i leave for a few mins and Im way behind
21:56   fsm   me too
21:56   spitthehooman   https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRNAM9P3DMSM3Z408UUD20_cQ7w9C8DruvSsMWHnvQO9YoHaqB-
21:57   fsm   be nice to me or I'll steal your power
21:57   fsm   
21:57   davy   You can't steal power
21:57   davy   you can only nulify it.
21:57   Kman96   now that's just a bad human. you shouldn't threaten other players by stealing their roles...
21:58   fsm   joking
21:58   Kman96   yeah. what davy said.
21:58   Maestro-Host   Cleopatra can only nullify a lynching vote.
21:58   spitthehooman   Lol FSM did you claim the wrong role
21:58   davy   than why does it's role discription says: Nullifier, can nullify the vote and power of another player
21:58   Kman96   hahaha
21:58   Kman96   its Mashi all over again.
21:58   fsm   "Nullifier, can nullify the vote and power of another player"
21:58   Kman96   where is mashi???
21:58   davy   I don't get the and power thing
21:59   fsm   poor host
21:59   fsm   he was wrong
21:59   universe-X   what
22:00   sheikah   ok, more or less caught up now
22:00   Maestro-Host   Well, you steal can't steal a power.
22:00   davy   no, but can he nulify one?
22:00   Kman96   thats what it says, isn't it?
22:00   fsm   that's what I meant
22:00   spitthehooman   Yes
22:00   Maestro-Host   Cleopatra can nullify another players vote and power.
22:00   davy   ok
22:00   Maestro-Host   The player just needs to send me a name during the Day.
22:01   fsm   me
22:01   spitthehooman   Oh shut it
22:01   fsm   that's it, your power is gone
22:01   fsm   
22:02   davy   I think it's kind of odd that you keep stating that you're the one who is cleopatra
22:02   Kman96   Cleonardo Dicaprio.
22:02   Kman96   sorry, random.
22:02   sheikah   im pretty sure the null is only for that day, right?
22:02   fsm   yes
22:03   spitthehooman   And it's a one-time use so we should hope that Cleonardo would not use it wastefully....
22:04   sheikah   then its kind of a waste to use it first day on someone who we dont know the role
22:04   sheikah   ninja'd
22:04   fsm   i know
22:04   Kman96   yeah...
22:04   davy   Unless cleo is nearly lynched
22:04   spitthehooman   Lololol
22:04   sheikah   if you know, dont threaten it
22:04   davy   which could make it a way to prove if said player is cleo
22:05   spitthehooman   Oh thought that was a joke D:
22:05   davy   Well, now that cleo is probably becomming our alliance leader anyway, I think that that is the best we can do now.
22:05   fsm   Yeah I could prove myself by my power
22:06   Kman96   uh huh...but then you won't be able to after that.
22:06   Kman96   right?
22:06   sheikah   but it wouldnt say "FSM nulled soandso"
22:06   spitthehooman   Sounds like a waste to me
22:06   davy   I think that it's now more important to be sure we have an alliance leader
22:06   Kman96   don' doit.
22:06   sheikah   it would say "soandso was nulled"
22:06   davy   without revealling more roles
22:07   spitthehooman   Why can't we just go back to davy/verm's plan before and actually pick a good leader role?
22:07   spitthehooman   Is that unwise?
22:07   Kman96   the more the wolves know, the lesser we'll do in this game, so we have to make sure that they dont discover any more roles, even if fsm is telling the truth.
22:07   davy   Because than the wolves would just wolf cleo, because she is an unconfirmed human, that the wolves are never going to counterclaim
22:08   davy   That's the idea, Kman
22:08   spitthehooman   Hrm. Okay. Here goes FSM-leader game again.
22:08   Kman96   ok, so who are you guys suspicious of as of RIGHT NOW?
22:08   davy   Nope
22:08   davy   because FSM is a wolf and I am Cleo
22:09   Kman96   D:
22:09   spitthehooman   OH NOES
22:09   sheikah   lul wut
22:09   spitthehooman   I love this game
22:09   fsm   I claimed also so if I die, you would know who I was
22:09   spitthehooman   davy you know I tried this two games ago xD
22:09   davy   Yes, but FSM is more experienced now
22:10   davy   also, I can prove that I'm cleo by the above theory
22:10   fsm   spit remember our last face-off
22:10   fsm   
22:10   spitthehooman   Do you have any real comments fsm?
22:11   fsm   I meant as a question
22:11   fsm   I can be very sneaky
22:12      *** spitthehooman quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
22:12   fsm   brb
22:12   sheikah   whait, is there cardflip this game then?
22:12   fsm   no
22:12      *** fsm quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
22:13   sheikah   then how do we know if you are cleo or not if you die?
22:13      *** spit joined #TWGNSM
22:13   spit   Dammit what happened
22:13   davy   But if an equil number of votes is against me
22:13   davy   as against another member
22:13   davy   and there is no Kiab
22:13   sheikah   brb 16:12 sheikah   whait, is there cardflip this game then? 16:12 fsm no 16:12 *** fsm quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 16:13 sheikah   then how do we know if you are cleo or not if you die?
22:13   sheikah   this what happened
22:13   davy   then that means that I'm cleo
22:14   davy   because I'd have used my power to nulify one of the votes against me
22:14   sheikah   im still confused

[davy]

Ok, so the strategy now becomes:

Guardian guards me this night.

No one claims to me next day.

An equil number of votes must be cast against me and another player, but no KiaB will occur since I am Cleo.

Next night phase, everyone can claim to me and we can form an alliance.

[spitllama]

This may actually be better in the long-run. As opposed to counterclaiming a very valuable role, humans are in a very safe spot here. If FSM gets wolfed and he's the real Cleopatra, it's not really the end of the world (no offense FSM!), and vice versa.

Either way we know who the other wolf is at the end.

[FSM-Reapr]

   davy   Ok, so my power nulifies a vote and a power
23:26   sheikah   assuming you are truth
23:26   davy   So let's say both FSM and I got 3 votes against us.
23:26   sheikah   ok
23:26   davy   Then I negate the vote against me
23:26   davy   And FSM will be lynched
23:26   davy   If FSM tells the truth I will be lynched
23:26   CleosEnough   ok
23:26   sheikah   hmmm
23:26   spit   I actually like this plan

[Jub3r7]

Any wolves should claim to me as soon as possible (send it by private message;) if we don't form an alliance, we would probably end up wolfing each other.

And yes, this means I am claiming wolf.
Also, include your role name, and a description of who you wolfed, why, and what time you sent the pm; also include any targets for your power and why you chose that.
This will help convince me that you are a real wolf and not just someone fake claiming to trick us. Then I will inform you about any other confirmed wolves.

If one of you humans decides to fake claim to me, and you happen to state my role as your role, you're obviously not a wolf! So don't even try. (This is the reason I'm not stating my role in public. >.>)
Other wolves: It's vital that you make your claim, otherwise a human could end up being told the other wolf roles because you didn't counterclaim! D:
Plus, my death by lynching would have gone to waste, soooo, please claim. DDDD:

[spitllama]

I think this is when everyone messages Jub and claims wolf! Gogogo!