Atonal Help!

[insaneintherain]

Hey guys! So I need a little bit of help with some Pikmin 2 music...

The tune "Giant Breadbug" is very... wierd. Wierd in that I can't find any key center. If you guys could look at what I have now and tell me what key to put it, that'd be great. I do have a suspicion that there will be no key noticeable, and if that is truly the case, then help me with a rule on accidentals, as to which notes should be marked and sharps and flats (enharmonically). Thanks in advance!

[GCN/WII] Pikmin 2: Giant Breadbug *WIP* [ZIP]

Youtube:

[pumpy_heart]

If it means anything, I would focus strongly on the melody. That bass line is so low, pitch almost gets jarbled. But I'm pretty sure it starts A-A, A#-A#. Then A#-A# to B-B. Could just be my speakers/ears.
Lends itself to being chromatic near the beginning. But the melody is fairly tonal. Too late to pick it out, but maybe this helps some.

[insaneintherain]

If it means anything, I would focus strongly on the melody. That bass line is so low, pitch almost gets jarbled. But I'm pretty sure it starts A-A, A#-A#. Then A#-A# to B-B. Could just be my speakers/ears.
Lends itself to being chromatic near the beginning. But the melody is fairly tonal. Too late to pick it out, but maybe this helps some.

I actually went directly from a MIDI file for the beginning+bass. I just meant the notation, as in sharps vs. flats enharmonically.

[The Deku Trombonist]

I actually went directly from a MIDI file for the beginning+bass.

Don't do that. Or if you do, at least make sure you check against the original very carefully. Your sheet is a fair bit different from the start of the vid you linked.

[insaneintherain]

Don't do that. Or if you do, at least make sure you check against the original very carefully. Your sheet is a fair bit different from the start of the vid you linked.

Do you mean the melody or base line? I think the bass line is correct from what I can hear (if only there were a low G# on the piano). The melody may be incorrect, but it sounds that way because of randomization. I'm not totally sure if this song is randomized like the others, but it probably is, meaning that each of the 2 bar phrases by the low sax and the high mallet instrument is randomly selected from 3 possible, and the last phrase is set, so that one doesn't change. (olimar please come to my rescue xD)

[Olimar12345]

hmmmm... This is what I think the form is:

-4 measures vamp
-4 bars low reedy melody(2 bars of constant 8ths, 1 bar randomized held low note, 1 bar mallets)x2
-8 bar set ending
-repeat

[insaneintherain]

hmmmm... This is what I think the form is:

-4 measures vamp
-4 bars low reedy melody(2 bars of constant 8ths, 1 bar randomized held low note, 1 bar mallets)x2
-8 bar set ending
-repeat

Wouldn't it be a 4 bar set ending to end off with a 16 bar phrase? That's what I thought too. Okay, so the first two phrases are randomized. Gotcha! Now to just work on the baseline and accidentals.

[Zunawe]

I don't know exactly what you're looking for, but I've found that it may be easier to hear a low or high part in Nintendo 3DS Sound. If you open the pitch/speed modifier and put the cursor in the top left corner.

If that's not what you needed, I have something else:
I ran into this problem when I was arranging Middle Boss Battle from Ocarina of Time. If you just hold a chord in one hand while the rest of it plays you may be able to match it. I hope that helped. . . maybe. . .

As I read through it again, I don't think I really addressed your problems, but this could still be useful I think.

[Olimar12345]

Wouldn't it be a 4 bar set ending to end off with a 16 bar phrase? That's what I thought too. Okay, so the first two phrases are randomized. Gotcha! Now to just work on the baseline and accidentals.

Whoops...yeah, you're right. The tune is really just 16 bars repeated.

[The Deku Trombonist]

The whole thing is randomised (perhaps already decided when you enter the room?) The form is the same, but the bass line, high mallet line, bari sax line changes. Check out some gameplay videos. I've found two different gamerips, which don't match up, and a couple of gameplay vids, which also don't match up

[insaneintherain]

The whole thing is randomised (perhaps already decided when you enter the room?) The form is the same, but the bass line, high mallet line, bari sax line changes. Check out some gameplay videos. I've found two different gamerips, which don't match up, and a couple of gameplay vids, which also don't match up

We know about the randomization, and that's how the whole Pikmin 2 OST works. xP

[The Deku Trombonist]

But you said it had a four bar set ending

[insaneintherain]

But you said it had a four bar set ending

I think we meant the pattern randomized a lot of the track, but there are a few things that are set in stone. (Or Rock Pikmin, if you know what mean.)

[Olimar12345]

The form of the piece is the only thing that remains consistant.