TWG XIX: Mind Games

[Dude]

...wat

Liggy is looking really suspicious to me right now.

[Liggy]

Why?

Also Jub.

[Mashi]

Night One is over. Wrydryn is dead. It is now Day One. Day One ends Tuesday, September 6, 2011, at 9:00 PM EST.

You could have just looked back in the topic, for future reference.  Unless you mean to ask time difference between Australia EST(?) and USA EST.  If that's the case, it's 8:34PM when I make this post, so it should be 10:34AM where you are.

[fingerz]

Oh yes, sorry. Must remember, 11:00 is when phases end here.

[Purple1222119]

I must say, I'm kinda confused by Jub3r7's post. I looks like sort of a... I'm not really sure what he's trying to say. Maybe that was the point.

Jub, on the other hand, since he isn't busy, is a threat, and thus a priority.

And Liggy, I think this statement is what made Dude suspicious.

[Jub3r7]

I apologize for confusing you. To summarize my earlier post:
1. I claimed to Mashi so I could find and announce the identity of the Unknowns, but Vera did it first, which means that he isn't an unknown.
2. I suspected that the wolves would choose Mashi, so I tried to gamble with the wolves over who I was guarding so they might end up wasting the night phase.
Unfortunately, they killed wry instead.  I don't know where that came from but that pretty much made that last part of my post pointless.
In my post, I also pointed out the fact that since Mashi wasn't an unknown, it means that there are still two unknowns left.

Also, Liggy false-claimed as the guardian, which you don't do if you're human.

[Mashi]

Summary:
Jub3r7 is being frivolous.  He's an Unknown.  Liggy is also probably a Human I think, but I'm not completely sure at the moment.  He and I are close TWG friends, so it's very easy for me to know that's a Wolf or Human and vice versa.


Proof That Jub3r7 Is An Unknown No One Will Read (I bolded and underlined the important part and also censored the Guardian's name.):

Jub3r7:

19:01   Vera   OKAY, ENOUGH GAMES, THAT WAS THE WORST DISPLAY EVER.
19:01   jub   You don't know what I am.
19:01   Vera   Unknown.
19:01   Vera   I win.
19:01   jub   I'm being protected by the guardian.
19:01   jub   How do you explain that?
19:01   Vera   You're not.
19:01   jub   I am.
19:02   Vera   Proof, gogogogogogogogog.
19:02   jub   I don't trust you though.
19:02   Vera   The Guardian wouldn't claim to you.
19:02   Vera   That would be frivolous.
19:02   jub   Then that must mean I /am/ the guardian!
19:02   Vera   You're the most Unknownish Guardian ever then.
19:02   jub   Yep.
19:03   jub   Or maybe I'm the most guardianish Unknown?
19:03   Vera   Okay, so I'll take that as a confession.
19:03   jub   No but really, I'm being guarded.
19:04   jub   If you don't believe me, have your possible wolf friends attack me tonight.
19:04   Vera   Okay.
19:04   Vera   Why do you believe I'm a Wolf?
19:04   jub   I don't, which is why I said "possible"
19:04   jub   
19:04   Vera   But you're accosting me directly and individually.
19:04   Vera   You're not announcing any of this in the topic.
19:05   Vera   You're telling me specifically.
19:05   jub   You accosted me.
19:05   jub   And I'm responding.
19:05   Vera   Pffft.
19:05   jub   And what am I telling you?
19:05   Vera   That you're an Unknown or a Wolf I think.
19:05   Vera   Probably an Unknown.
19:06   jub   The rest of the thread should know me as the guardian, since I am being guarded.
19:06   Vera   Your behaviour isn't coherent with Human Jub3r7 at all!
19:06   jub   Or something.
19:06   jub   
19:06   jub   School just started and I'm tired.
19:06   jub   I don't truuuust youuu.
19:07   jub   Let's make this in #twg since I already explained to wry everything ever.
19:07   jub   and told him not to tell you.
19:08   Vera   Why did you tell Whirr everything ever?
19:08   Vera   And what is everything ever?
19:08   jub   My role and an explanation of how I'm being guarded.
19:08   Vera   Give me the explanation.
19:09   jub   But I don't trust youuuu
19:09   jub   And if you're a wolf it screws with everything.
19:09   Vera   An explanation probably won't elucidate much.
19:09   jub   I'd be protected but
19:09   Vera   If your explanation can't be told, you're probably not Human.
19:09   jub   If you were a wolf, and I explained it to you, then I probably wouldn't be protected anymore.
19:10   Vera   I taught you this last game, Humans should be candid about everything!
19:10   jub   Maybe I'm secretly pretending to be an unknown?
19:10   jub   jk.
19:10   Vera   You're not.
19:10   Vera   
19:11   Vera   So are you professing your Unknowishness now???
19:11   jub   But I don't trust you. :<
19:11   jub   But at the same time I do.
19:11   Vera   Okay.
19:12   Vera   So the explanation doesn't exist???
19:12   jub   It does exist.
19:12   jub   The problem is
19:12   jub   If I explained it to you, and you were a wolf, the wolves would pretty much win.
19:12   jub   In the first night phase. :|
19:12   Vera   That makes no sense.
19:13   jub   That's because I haven't explained it to you!
19:13   Vera   Tell me the explanation without stating the names of any players.
19:13   Vera   If you can't explain it to me without some censoring, then the explanation is contrived.
19:13   jub   Not really.
19:13   Vera   Or better yet, doesn't exist.
19:13   jub   go to #twg
19:13   Vera   Yes really.



Main Chat:

18:42      *** Vera joined #twg
Not Host signups.
Topic set by Master_Gamer38 on Thu Aug 25 2011 18:11:54 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
18:42   Vera   Yay.
18:42   jub   oh hey vera
18:42   Vera   Hi Jub3r7.
18:42   Vera   So was your Guardian counter claim legitimate?
18:43   jub   Maaaaaaybe. Kinda sorta. Not really.
18:43   jub   But in a way.
18:43   [Wrydryn]   You guys talk while I eat dinner
18:43   Vera   Okay.
18:43   jub   waaait
18:43   jub   :<
18:46   jub   Veraaaa
18:46   jub   say hi to kight_koopa.
18:49   jub   Okay vera
18:49   Vera   Okay.
18:49   jub   If you're a wolf, you should try to wolf me tonight.
18:49   Vera   Hmm?
18:50   jub   Yeah. Because it wouldn't do anything.
18:50   Vera   Why?
18:50   jub   Because I'm supa cool!
18:50   Vera   o i c
18:51   jub   Also, you received three claims?
18:51   jub   You must be very convincing.
18:51   Vera   No, I'm trying to get the last Unknown to claim to me.
18:52   jub   Wait. My consciousness is thinking differently from my subconscience.
18:53   Vera   Hmm?
18:54   jub   My conscience has no idea what you are, but my subconsciousness had me type three, meaning that I actually think you're an unknown.
18:54   Vera   I'm not an Unknown though!
18:55   Vera   Otherwise, I wouldn't be revealing the rest of the Unknowns.
18:55   jub   The people who claimed to you seem to think you are! XD
18:55   jub   Wait where.
18:55   jub   I want to see this.
18:55   Vera   I haven't revealed anyone yet.
18:55   Vera   Not until I get the last claim.
18:55   Vera   I mean.
18:55   Vera   Last two claims.
18:55   jub   OOO
18:55   jub   Hah I knew it.
19:00   jub   It could be helpful for me to ally with the unknowns to eliminate the wolves, possibly
19:00   Vera   What.
19:01   jub   Maybe?
19:02   [Wrydryn]   After just reading the above, you guys are just being silly
19:03   jub   Yeah.
19:07   jub   So wry vera thinks I'm an unknown.
19:07   jub   And doesn't believe me when I say I'm being guarded.
19:08   jub   I'm not surprised, because it is a very interesting circumstance, but yeah.
19:08   [Wrydryn]   Brb guys, skimming the pool
19:08   Vera   Denied.
19:08   Vera   
19:08   jub   
19:13   Vera   Okay.
19:13   jub   So wry
19:14   jub   Vera still doesn't think there's an explanation.
19:14   jub   for me being guarded.
19:14   jub   I explained it to you
19:14   Vera   Because there isn't.
19:14   jub   And if I explained it to Mashi without the names like I did you
19:14   jub   he could guess them.
19:14   Vera   The only possible reason is if you're Guardian yourself.
19:14   jub   Like, extremely easily.
19:14   Vera   And if that's the case, you could still explain.
19:14   Vera   Because you're guarding yourself.
19:15   jub   That's what I want you to think!
19:15   Vera   You're failing abjectly then.
19:15   jub   Well, in reality, I wanted you to think I'm pretending to guard myself.
19:15   jub   And it worked.
19:15   jub   Unfortunately.
19:16   jub   And then the thread should believe that I'm not pretending.
19:16   jub   And wry and I know the truth, which is somewhere in between.
19:16   jub   No but really, if you were a wolf, this would screw EVERYONE over.
19:16   jub   I promise an explanation to you if you die tonight.
19:16   jub   XD
19:17   Vera   Still don't trust you.
19:17   jub   ughughugh
19:17   Vera   You still haven't told me why you went to Whirr.
19:17   jub   See, that's exactly the point.
19:17   jub   Maybe that's part of the explanation!
19:17   jub   Well, it is, actually.
19:18   jub   I promise that you'll eventually get an explanation as to why you should trust me and my role and everything else.
19:19   jub   So, what is your current opinion, aside from the fact that you don't trust me?
19:19   jub   I want to see what I've accomplished.
19:19   Vera   I don't even know what you've tried to accomplish!
19:20   jub   Actually, I was just eluding an explanation to you because I really wanted to tell you.
19:20   jub   And what I accomplish actually has nothing to do with you unless you survive the next two phases.
19:21   jub   I apologize for being so vexing.
19:21   Vera   It's okay.
19:21   jub   But as long as it's still a possibility that you're a wolf, I can't tell you anything.
19:24   jub   If you were in wry's position, you would trust me.
19:24   [Wrydryn]   I'll give you guys the okay day phase on wether to trust each other or not
19:24   jub   Wry, have you been in a private chat with vera?
19:25   jub   It's funny knows to trust both of us but neither of us are sure about each other.
19:25   jub   *it's funny how wry knows
19:25   jub   Actually, I don't know if it's a "know" with the vera part of that but yeah.
19:26   jub   Actually vera
19:26   jub   I don't think you're a wolf so I might be able to explain it to you.
19:26   jub   I really really want to, but it probably doesn't matter since you will probably die this night phase anyways.
19:27   jub   Unless the wolves want to use that reverse psychology thing.
19:27      *** jub is now known as Jub3r7
19:29   Jub3r7   So, what do you think of me, Vera?
19:29   Jub3r7   Because I'm obviously a WolfBane Unknown.
19:30   Vera   Okay.
19:30   Jub3r7   Oh, Doodle just signed on.
19:30   Jub3r7   recently.
19:30   Jub3r7   Jub3r7   So, what do you think of me, Vera?
19:31   Vera   That you're an Unknown or a Wolf.
19:31   Jub3r7   
19:31   Jub3r7   So if you were a wolf you just think I'm an unknown.
19:31   Jub3r7   Although that's what you said last time.
19:32   Jub3r7   If you were in my position, what would you think of yourself?
19:32   Vera   "Boy am I a frivolous young man".
19:32   Jub3r7   Er, I mean, what would you think of the person in your position?
19:33   Jub3r7   If you were me.
19:33   Jub3r7   Okay okay fine you convinced me that you're not a wolf.
19:33   Jub3r7   Wry, should I tell him?
19:33   Vera   who knows maybe im human???
19:34   Jub3r7   That wouldn't screw the game over, but then you could lynch me.
19:34   Jub3r7   idk.
19:34   Jub3r7   Whatever fine.
19:34   Jub3r7   You can't tell the guardian that I'm telling you this because he might get angry.
19:35   Jub3r7   And if the guardian dies I'll know it's you.
19:35   Jub3r7   Because I am an unknown, being protected by the guardian.
19:35   Jub3r7   Cause I'm supa cool.
19:35   Jub3r7   And when I explain how this happened, you will discover the identity of the guardian.
19:36   Jub3r7   Because you were involved.
19:36   Jub3r7   Are you there?
19:36   Vera   Yes.
19:36   Vera   you mean the guardian is liggy!?!?!?!?!
19:36   Jub3r7   nah
19:36   Jub3r7   Liggy is fake
19:36   Jub3r7   Anyways, are you prepared to handle the identity of the guardian?
19:37   Vera   Sure.
19:37   Jub3r7   So once upon a time there was a guardian.
19:37   Jub3r7   And he was like "zomg liggy's not the guardian"
19:37   Jub3r7   and then he was hinting to this one guy
19:37   Jub3r7   "Hint hint, what if he's not the guardian"
19:37   Jub3r7   or something.
19:37   Jub3r7   "And what if the guardian is someone else that I'm aware of"
19:38   Jub3r7   And then you responded
19:39   Jub3r7   "The guardian wouldn't be frivolous enough to randomly claim to you." or something like that.
19:39   Jub3r7   And he was like "tell that to jub"
19:39   Jub3r7   And then he told me about that conversation.
19:39   Jub3r7   And I pretended to have told him that I was the guardian.
19:39   Jub3r7   Even though he came to me.
19:40   Jub3r7   And so he asked me to pretend to be the guardian.
19:40   Jub3r7   And he would guard me.
19:40   Jub3r7   And it was good.
19:41   Jub3r7   He came to me because my name was the first he could think of when talking to you.
19:41   Jub3r7   Now, do you understand?
19:41   Vera   Yes.
19:41   Jub3r7   I didn't say the name but you know who he is now.
19:41   Jub3r7   And if you're a wolf, you know the identity of 3/4 unknowns, and the human guardian.
19:41   Jub3r7   who isn't being guarded.
19:42   Jub3r7   And if he dies tonight, I'll have someone claim to the thread (maybe me) and announce that you are a wolf.
19:42   Jub3r7   Sorry.
19:43   Vera   http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=3683.msg118994#msg118994
19:43   Jub3r7   How does the human population compare with the unknown population?
19:43   Vera   SORRY.
19:43   Vera   5:1 I think.
19:43   [Wrydryn]   :|
19:44   [Wrydryn]   What Mashi
19:44   Jub3r7   yeah so wry
19:44   [Wrydryn]   Why?
19:44   Jub3r7   I told you
19:44   Jub3r7   I told you bro
19:44   Jub3r7   I warned you about stares
19:44   Jub3r7   He's either a human or a wolf.
19:44   Vera   Human.
19:45   [Wrydryn]   Fuck this shot
19:45   [Wrydryn]   Shit*
19:45   Vera   Sorry Whirr.
19:45   Jub3r7   But I'm the guardian.
19:45      *** [Wrydryn] quit (Q:- Rooms • iPhone IRC Client • http://www.roomsapp.mobi)
19:45   Vera   Maybe it was unwise of me to have posted that in a somewhat mocking manner, even if jokingly.
19:45   Vera   But seriously, sorry Jub3r7!
19:47   Jub3r7   You won't Oh, and Vera.
19:47   Vera   Yes?
19:48   Jub3r7   If you suggest the explanation to the thread about why I can't die in the night, then I'll reveal the guardian's role. He can protect himself, but...
19:48   Jub3r7   Oh, wry, the guardian is *CENSORED*.
19:48   Jub3r7   btw.
19:48   Vera   It doesn't matter.
19:49   Vera   Guardian protects himself, Seer claims to him, the game functions as normally.
19:49   Jub3r7   But isn't liggy the guardian?
19:49   Vera   So even with the chaos we caused, we still end up with the same perfunctory routine!
19:49   Jub3r7   
19:49   Jub3r7   jk
19:49   Vera   (The thing is that I'm secretly the Guardian.   )
19:49   Jub3r7   Except *CENSORED* probably won't protect me anymore, jerk. :<
19:50   Vera   Well, think of it this way.
19:50   Vera   There's still one Unknown left.
19:51   Vera   YOU STILL HAVE A GLIMMER OF HOPE FOR VENGEANCE!!!!!!!!!
19:52   Jub3r7   Also, in case you didn't notice, I was spying on you
19:52   Jub3r7   I was actually just trying to find out the roles of the other unknowns just in case you didn't reveal them to the thread.
19:53   Jub3r7   Wait, are you an unknown doing this to protect yourself in the future?
19:53   Jub3r7   That would be a jerk move.
19:53   Vera   It would.
19:53   Vera   But I'm not that much of an ignominy!

[Mashi]

And then 60% of the game Phantomed out.

The End.

[SlowPokemon]

Knife in the box between Jub and Liggy.
Day One is over. Liggy is dead. It is now Night Two, ends tomorrow, the 7th at 9 PM EST, etc.

[Mashi]

To reference a person at LLF.
That's more of a Kick in the Balls than a Knife in the Box.
JUB3R7 WAS EVIDENTLY AN UNKNOWN, THERE WAS NO POINT IN EVEN THINKING TO VOTE LIGGY.

[Jub3r7]

He sortof false claimed guardian maybe?

[Mashi]

You were in the chatroom when that occurred and you knew full and well that he was joking.
Plus, you did the same thing!

[Jub3r7]

I was asked to do that by the guardian.

[Mashi]

Doesn't change the fact that you're an Unknown though.

[Jub3r7]

Oh, and he claimed in the thread, and tried to give the implication that he wasn't joking.

And right now I'm not trying to change the fact that I'm an unknown. I told you in the chatroom that I was going to help the humans until the end (since I pretty much lost anyways), but you voted me shortly afterwards.
If anything, it feels like you don't want me to help you.