The Rant Thread/My Life Sucks Topic [Don't be pricks]

[Pianist Da Sootopolis]

This is what I was trying to get across more than anything.

https://www.facebook.com/godlessatheism/photos/a.486750658038781.1073741829.486729874707526/923370861043423/?type=3&pnref=story

[JDMEK5]

Just to build on PDS' post with a 15-minute clip on the history of Christmas. Just posting cuz I have this to contribute to the conversation.

[Pianist Da Sootopolis]

Oh you, always agreeing with me

[JDMEK5]

Oh you, always agreeing with me

Don't get the wrong idea; this was just coincidence XD

[mikey]

This is what I was trying to get across more than anything.

https://www.facebook.com/godlessatheism/photos/a.486750658038781.1073741829.486729874707526/923370861043423/?type=3&pnref=story

I fail to see your point.  Last time I checked, christmas was about Jesus' birth.  The rest of the stuff isn't necessary at all.  Sure it was adopted from a pagan holiday, but christmas wasn't.

[Zunawe]

Many holiday traditions have little connection in meaning to the religious attributions to the holiday. "Christmas" has a religious connotation for obvious reasons. But many of the ways it's celebrated have little to do with religion, though there has obviously been much overlap and mixing over the years.

[Pianist Da Sootopolis]

I fail to see your point.  Last time I checked, christmas was about Jesus' birth.  The rest of the stuff isn't necessary at all.  Sure it was adopted from a pagan holiday, but christmas wasn't.

My point was that the certain Christians who say Halloween is terrible because it's Pagan.
Christmas, as it is celebrated today with all the wreathes and baked foods and trees and all the things we do along with celebrating Christ's birth, you're celebrating a Pagan holiday.
Christ's birthday itself is also estimated by many historians to actually be in the spring; the reason so many holidays (Hannukah, Christmas and the rest) occur in this time is because they celebrate the winter solstice; the shortest day of the year.

[Sir Dino]

..not to interrupt the conversation about life-threatening events, but i'm getting a root canal? which sucks because i've been putting it aside for almost a year because financial problems but now it's just hurting a lot to the point i can't focus on any crap. and just before the winter break sigh.

[FireArrow]

Worth noting that all Halloween is a christian holiday.

[mikey]

Worth noting that all Halloween is a christian holiday.

fascinating.  So the people against halloween don't know what they're saying?

[FireArrow]

I thought that was a given.

[Ruto]

My friend's family just puts presents under a lamp instead of dealing with branches falling everywhere.

In pre-Columbian South American cultures, it was common to take another culture's art form when you conquer them.

[BlackDragonSlayer]

Christmas, as it is celebrated today with all the wreathes and baked foods and trees and all the things we do along with celebrating Christ's birth, you're celebrating a Pagan holiday.

WELP. Shut down the ovens, people! I guess we can't bake anything without celebrating paganism!

[Dude]

If you're being serious, you're completely missing the point.

[BlackDragonSlayer]

If you're being serious, you're completely missing the point.

I suppose you could think that if you consider the point to be "Christmas is a pagan holiday," which in itself is missing the point. Nobody (or rather, pretty much nobody, I suppose) celebrates Christmas with any pagan meanings in mind. It would thus be more appropriate to say something like "Christmas is a Christian holiday with some traditions that have pagan roots," which is also true of Halloween. However, the reason why many people might consider Halloween to be "more pagan" than Christmas is because Halloween isn't celebrating something overtly religious (what I mean by that specifically is that, if you ask people what Halloween is celebrating, chances are they won't be able to tell you ).