TWG CXXIII: A Dance of Fire and Ice

[Oricorio]

May be confbiased here a little but I think this push on me looks bad. Xiao knows full well that I "responded" by outing the PM, so I don't see this as being a natural thought. But he needs to have a reason to suspect me, since as I established earlier if I am treated as town Xiao is just constrained by PoE. This is what we call a boxed in wolf.

Fixed

[XiaoMigros]

... needs to have a reason to suspect me, since as I established earlier if I am treated as town Xiao is just constrained by PoE. This is what we call a boxed in wolf.

Where did you establish this?

[BlackDragonSlayer]

On the other hand, Oricorio I sorta feel like your push on Xiao is you taking the opportunity to lynch someone who would otherwise never be lynched because of how human read they are. From your perspective, it'd be a monumental task to get either TZP or I to vote for each other (not to mention convincing anyone else), but Xiao doesn't have quite as much insurance because TZP has been much more proactive at providing reasons to see him as human.

Your only other option to push would be Specs which looks bad because he claimed seer.


Gonna be heading out shortly. Will likely be back within the next 4-6 hours.

[XiaoMigros]

but Xiao doesn't have quite as much insurance because TZP has been much more proactive at providing reasons to see him as human.

sometimes I get the impression that portraying me as stupid is a legit strategy to detract from what I do say

[XiaoMigros]

I'm also not sure if I've just forgotten your playstyle Oricorio but you do seem to be targeting me somewhat aggressively. This is what we call a boxed in wolf.

(I should be around to change my vote later if needed)

[Oricorio]

On the other hand, Oricorio I sorta feel like your push on Xiao is you taking the opportunity to lynch someone who would otherwise never be lynched because of how human read they are. From your perspective, it'd be a monumental task to get either TZP or I to vote for each other (not to mention convincing anyone else), but Xiao doesn't have quite as much insurance because TZP has been much more proactive at providing reasons to see him as human.

Your only other option to push would be Specs which looks bad because he claimed seer.


Gonna be heading out shortly. Will likely be back within the next 4-6 hours.

I don't think you quite understand the situation we are in. If both of the seers survive D2, it can give us a lot of information going into F3, which is why Xiao is optimal (and not because it "looks bad"). I don't really care that Xiao is townread, what have they really done to advance town's wincon? The D1 vote was probably a mislynch and given that the two most viable CWs were our seer claims, maybe that's a sign town wasn't doing well at all D1. Still, we're in a situation where it's close to a lock but one mistake means it's all over. For now, we need to establish the trustworthiness of the seer claims (but we know at least one has to be legit).

[Oricorio]

I'm also not sure if I've just forgotten your playstyle Oricorio but you do seem to be targeting me somewhat aggressively. This is what we call a boxed in wolf.

(I should be around to change my vote later if needed)

Again, this push is contrived. Why wouldn't town be "aggressive"? The use of "somewhat" does a lot of heavy lifting here and truly sells that you don't really feel this way.

[XiaoMigros]

I don't think you quite understand the situation we are in. If both of the seers survive D2, it can give us a lot of information going into F3, which is why Xiao is optimal (and not because it "looks bad"). I don't really care that Xiao is townread, what have they really done to advance town's wincon? The D1 vote was probably a mislynch and given that the two most viable CWs were our seer claims, maybe that's a sign town wasn't doing well at all D1. Still, we're in a situation where it's close to a lock but one mistake means it's all over. For now, we need to establish the trustworthiness of the seer claims (but we know at least one has to be legit).

If I'm not mistaken a mislynch will cost us the game?

[XiaoMigros]

Why wouldn't town be "aggressive"?

Because arguing with emotions doesn't get us anywhere

The use of "somewhat" does a lot of heavy lifting here and truly sells that you don't really feel this way.

Well okay then, I guess I dont after all

[Oricorio]

If I'm not mistaken a mislynch will cost us the game?

If both seers are legit, then you (or N1P2 I guess) are not a mislynch. Unless you want to convince me it's BDS?

[XiaoMigros]

Why wouldn't town be "aggressive"?

And I can certainly explain why a wolf like you might be acting "aggressive" at the moment

[XiaoMigros]

If both seers are legit, then you (or N1P2 I guess) are not a mislynch. Unless you want to convince me it's BDS?

There are 5 of us at the moment, and 4 needed for parity, no?

[XiaoMigros]

I genuinely don't understand how BDS relates to this, sorry

[Oricorio]

There are 5 of us at the moment, and 4 needed for parity, no?

THC confirmed town
N1P2 likely town, a wolf would have almost certainly claimed seer in their position. (But if they are wolf, we have a free mislynch anyway)
I know I'm town.

BDS most likely town based on reaction to TZP's gambit.
TZP and Specs are both seer claims, assuming they're legit they can't be w/w

That just leaves you.

[XiaoMigros]

Where did you establish this?

I would also greatly appreciate an answer on this!