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[N64] Star Fox 64 - "Mission Failed" by Fernman

Started by Zeta, March 18, 2024, 06:49:35 PM

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Submission Information:

Series: Star Fox
Game: Star Fox 64
Console: Nintendo 64
Title: Mission Failed
Instrumentation Solo Piano
Arranger: Fernman


Kricketune54

•  I think if you wanted for m1-7 you could add a lower RH octave (sounds like those notes are playing to me)
• Might I also suggest this for m7 and m8? This would incorporate the snare rolls from the original (heard up to this point but not represented), but also pulling that Dn up an octave in m8 instead of down. Let me know your thoughts.
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Fernman

Quote from: Kricketune54 on July 09, 2024, 08:44:20 PM•  I think if you wanted for m1-7 you could add a lower RH octave (sounds like those notes are playing to me)

That works, added

Quote from: Kricketune54 on July 09, 2024, 08:44:20 PM• Might I also suggest this for m7 and m8? This would incorporate the snare rolls from the original (heard up to this point but not represented), but also pulling that Dn up an octave in m8 instead of down. Let me know your thoughts.

I'm not a fan of turning the piano into a snare-drum-roll-like instrument with those tremolos. the snare is one pitch so to speak, and a 2 note tremolo isn't what I'd prefer.

I reverted the rest of the song back to what is heard, I think I was trying to be too much like the start demos in the prior uploads. Not sure if you want octaves, inverted other otherwise. I'll stick with staccato instead of portato.

Kricketune54

Quote from: Fernman on July 10, 2024, 06:33:29 PMThat works, added
I don't see this on the files currently for m1-6

Quote from: Fernman on July 10, 2024, 06:33:29 PMI'm not a fan of turning the piano into a snare-drum-roll-like instrument with those tremolos. the snare is one pitch so to speak, and a 2 note tremolo isn't what I'd prefer.
Okay, did want to leave that up to preference, usually people do timpani parts not snares for tremolos when arranging anyway. I would suggest though removing the Dn in the LH of m8 beat 1, and just putting a low F on the bottom. Maybe just make the LH a whole note Gn (current Gn) and a Fn an octave lower, as this is a reachable note combination.

Quote from: Fernman on July 10, 2024, 06:33:29 PMI reverted the rest of the song back to what is heard, I think I was trying to be too much like the start demos in the prior uploads. Not sure if you want octaves, inverted other otherwise. I'll stick with staccato instead of portato.
Okay sounds looks/good from that standpoint of accents. By inverting octaves I assume you refer to which notes are currently ontop of the RH? I am fine as is treating the flute part of the original as the melody.

I would suggest utilizing the timpani pitches as a part of the LH though. I think the LH currently is a bit empty feeling in my opinion. Take this example idea for m9 to first part of m10. You could incorporate that lower harmony part into the LH where possible (looking at m9 4.5 to m10 beat 1)You cannot view this attachment.

• m11 RH beat 3 the An should be a Bn
• m12 RH beat 3 layer 2 add a staccato to this Gn

Fernman

Quote from: Kricketune54 on July 11, 2024, 03:20:55 PMI don't see this on the files currently for m1-6
If the 16th pairs are octaves, I can understand reaching the following octave in time. But that looks difficult to play in time, at least for my octave handspan. Not sure what a larger handed player can do. If the 16th pairs are NOT played as octaves, then reaching the next octave in time is a challenge. So I don't find it practical, unless you have a different opinion.

Quote from: Kricketune54 on July 11, 2024, 03:20:55 PMI would suggest though removing the Dn in the LH of m8 beat 1, and just putting a low F on the bottom. Maybe just make the LH a whole note Gn (current Gn) and a Fn an octave lower, as this is a reachable note combination.

a 9th is not reachable for me, For those of us who can't reach the 9th, I wanted another harmonic, so I picked the D. I can add in the F as well, but I still want the D with the player having the option to exclude the F.
I added in a dotted whole note, if that was your intent.

Quote from: Kricketune54 on July 11, 2024, 03:20:55 PMI would suggest utilizing the timpani pitches as a part of the LH though. I think the LH currently is a bit empty feeling in my opinion. Take this example idea for m9 to first part of m10. You could incorporate that lower harmony part into the LH where possible (looking at m9 4.5 to m10 beat 1)

Key words are "where possible." That's a 10th. In my mind that is not possible for me, but I supposed if desired, one could play the timpani and the bottom note of the chord.

Quote from: Kricketune54 on July 11, 2024, 03:20:55 PM• m11 RH beat 3 the An should be a Bn • m12 RH beat 3 layer 2 add a staccato to this Gn
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Kricketune54

Quote from: Fernman on July 13, 2024, 09:23:02 AMIf the 16th pairs are octaves, I can understand reaching the following octave in time. But that looks difficult to play in time, at least for my octave handspan. Not sure what a larger handed player can do. If the 16th pairs are NOT played as octaves, then reaching the next octave in time is a challenge. So I don't find it practical, unless you have a different opinion.
This is definitely true for the two sixteenth notes at the end of m1,3,5. But the other notes could be reasonably played if there was a lower octave added. But I'll leave it up to you, my reasoning being that it is rather quiet anyway in the original.

Quote from: Fernman on July 13, 2024, 09:23:02 AMa 9th is not reachable for me, For those of us who can't reach the 9th, I wanted another harmonic, so I picked the D. I can add in the F as well, but I still want the D with the player having the option to exclude the F.
I added in a dotted whole note, if that was your intent.
Well my comment wasn't based on having a harmonic for the LH, it's that I don't think it is necessary to duplicate the D to C phrase in both hands.

Also, for m7, I'd suggest lowering the Gn's down an octave in the LH. It sounds a little jarring currently the way the depth of the accompaniment goes between m5-7.

Quote from: Fernman on July 13, 2024, 09:23:02 AMKey words are "where possible." That's a 10th. In my mind that is not possible for me, but I supposed if desired, one could play the timpani and the bottom note of the chord.
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Yes the 10th is difficult but should be possible on a good number of keyboards.  To make it easier, you could remove the for example at m9 beat 4.5 and then at 1.0 of m9 and m10 for consistency.

• m17 LH I think the En should be Gn, and then the Fn is Ab for beats 3-4. Also note that 3.0 is incorrectly beamed to 4.0 currently.
• m18 and elsewhere recurring phrase that starts at beat 3.5 and goes to the end of the measure of the LH first layer, this honestly would make for a more consistent accompaniment if it was moved to its original octave in the RH. You could use the same sort of LH pattern that started with m17 with the timpani hits.
• Looking also a bit to accidentals for above mentioned 16th note part, the G# should be Ab - reason being is that it looks a bit cleaner in the key of C major to have Ab's, and not have to use the natural accidental on beat 4.5.

Fernman

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Quote from: Kricketune54 on July 28, 2024, 08:10:58 PMThis is definitely true for the two sixteenth notes at the end of m1,3,5. But the other notes could be reasonably played if there was a lower octave added. But I'll leave it up to you, my reasoning being that it is rather quiet anyway in the original.

How about I put in a harmonic where the unreachable octave would be?

Quote from: Kricketune54 on July 28, 2024, 08:10:58 PMWell my comment wasn't based on having a harmonic for the LH, it's that I don't think it is necessary to duplicate the D to C phrase in both hands.

It may not be necessary, but the LH looses its "weight" if only the Fn is played when the previous measures it was all harmonic notes. I think the Dn gives it some depth. There was a Gn so the song called for some harmony.

Quote from: Kricketune54 on July 28, 2024, 08:10:58 PMYes the 10th is difficult but should be possible on a good number of keyboards.  To make it easier, you could remove the for example at m9 beat 4.5 and then at 1.0 of m9 and m10 for consistency.

That makes it seem lop sided, I rather include it and leave it up for interpretation/adaptation.

Everything else is implemented.