TWG CXVIII: Noughts and Crosses

[SpecsFlyer17]

Okay, so you're basically saying it's better to play for the TTT draw but be in the drivers seat the whole game, opposed to take a chance at beating the wolves in TTT, but be forced to make specific move on D3.

[Toby]

Okay, so you're basically saying it's better to play for the TTT draw but be in the drivers seat the whole game, opposed to take a chance at beating the wolves in TTT, but be forced to make specific move on D3.

Yeah because we can only win TTT if we hit a wolf along the way, and if we play corner we have a projected path

Also we have given the wolves a video tutorial on how to defend corner play so we won't beat them at TTT lol

[SpecsFlyer17]

Also we have given the wolves a video tutorial on how to defend corner play so we won't beat them at TTT lol

Buffington helping out the wolves lol

[A# Minor]

why do you guys have to be so active while i'm sleeping??

[Toby]

why do you guys have to be so active while i'm sleeping??

What's your thoughts about first square placement

[Toby]

So the more I think about things, the more I see a victory from TTT being pretty unlikely.

Specs I find it odd that after counting the mislynches needed you realised that a TTT victory was unlikely, however

On the contrary to that, if we play corner and wolves play center, we do have flexible options.

If they don't play corner (and commit to 3 mislynches), we also gain information about where they decided to play: a side, opposite corner, or adjacent corner. Each scenario forces a different optimal play, and we can use that information.

When you found out the optimal strategy in TTT was playing corners, and thus would ensure your survival until end game as you are a side, you were open again to playing strategy despite the fact it's very unlikely to win the game via TTT if strategy is played on both sides. Also odd considering you linked a literal how to guide for the wolves to see how to counter play any strategy.

Does this mean you and BDS are the wolves and you want to play corner strategy and ensure you two survive until end game

[SpecsFlyer17]

No, Im just running through the possibilities and trying to figure out which option is better.

I've been back and forth about the strategy, especially considering if Math is a wolf then playing the corner strategy pins the wolves, since choosing the center would lose them the TTT game. They'd have to rely on 3 mislynches.

[XiaoMigros]

to be fair, I don't see a huge difference between playing corner and center, if the wolves respond with center to our corner. The whole rest of the game is basically just dictated by what the previous team did last time, save for the 3rd overall move, at which point we probably won't know enough to make the right decision for certain

[SpecsFlyer17]

save for the 3rd overall move

I think that's the point though, playing middle on turn 1 puts the town in the drivers seat the entire time, even if it's just to a draw.

Playing corner on turn 1 could potentially pin the wolves is Math is a wolf, but if they play middle on N1, we will have to play defense on our 3rd turn.

[XiaoMigros]

nvm i miscalculated

[SpecsFlyer17]

If we go middle, we essentially control the play, even if it will result in a tie. We can force play on one side of the board and get specific people wolfed during the nights. However, we do commit to not winning TTT, which seems fine given its a solved game.

If we go corner, things are much more scripted. The optimal strategy would say the wolves kill the center, which then forces us to play defense for our 3rd turn, although we could potentially tailor it to one side of the board, depending on where we play turn 2. If they don't take the middle, Math could be a wolf, or it could be a ploy to get us to mislynch 3 times. At any point, we could abandon the strategy and play for a tie in order to force the wolves to kill someone specific at night.

[Toby]

Seems like musical poet and math are still to post

I'll start the votes with

mathguy

[Toby]

Math guys profile shows he has been online so I wonder if he's trying to adopt his wolf strategy from last game and keep quiet when under pressure lol

[The Musical Poet]

bruh when did the game start

[BlackDragonSlayer]

why do you guys have to be so active while i'm sleeping??

why are you not twg'ing while sleeping

Does this mean you and BDS are the wolves and you want to play corner strategy and ensure you two survive until end game

I've been dubious of the corner strat ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

bruh when did the game start

November 05, 2023, 06:00:04 PM Pacific Time


I wanna hear more from Poet and A# especially, as well as mathguy himself of course. If he's human, now's the best time to hear his thoughts, even if we are planning to go through with lynching him for the center square.