TWG CXVIII Player Signups

[Oricorio]

TWG CXVIII: Noughts and Crosses

Wolves
1. Wolf
2. Wolf

Humans
3. Innocent Child -- Confirmed human at start of game
4. Human
5. Human
6. Human
7. Human
8. Human
9. Human

Setup
- The game will be played on a 3x3 board, with each player occupying a space.
- When town lynches a player, they will be replaced by an X on the board, while when wolves kill a player, they are replaced by an O.
- If we start with 8 players instead of 9, one of the humans will be replaced by a blank space that can be claimed if town no lynches or if wolves withhold their kill.
- Victory can be achieved either through the standard win conditions (town by lynching all wolves, wolves at parity with town) or by getting three of a faction's symbols in a row.
- Cardflips are off, and OC is allowed (but the host must be included in all OC conversations). The game will have a day start, however.

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The Players
1. A# Minor
2. XiaoMigros
3. TheZeldaPianist275
4. ThatHiddenCharacter
5. SpecsFlyer17
6. BlackDragonSlayer
7. The Musical Poet
8. threalmathguy
9. Toby

Subs
1. davy
2. Olimar12345

[A# Minor]

in


X)

[XiaoMigros]

in


D)

[TheZeldaPianist275]

In!

A)

[davy]

I've found myself without a lot of time lately, so I'll sub for starters. If you need more players to start the game, you can switch me to in instead.

[ThatHiddenCharacter]

In

[SpecsFlyer17]

GTH In

[SpecsFlyer17]

Two questions for Oricorio

What does the innocent child role include exactly? Everyone knows they're a human?

This may be a dumb question, but do we know what the board looks like at any point? Could be the each square, or just the location of any Xs or Os played.

[XiaoMigros]

Here's my understanding, since I think I get it lol

What does the innocent child role include exactly? Everyone knows they're a human?

yeah, that's all, but it's interesting because of the tic tac toe

This may be a dumb question, but do we know what the board looks like at any point? Could be the each square, or just the location of any Xs or Os played.

pretty sure everyone can see the board, its current standing, and whos on it where

[Oricorio]

Two questions for Oricorio

What does the innocent child role include exactly? Everyone knows they're a human?

This may be a dumb question, but do we know what the board looks like at any point? Could be the each square, or just the location of any Xs or Os played.

Xiao explained the IC correctly. As for the board, it will be displayed at the beginning of the game and each phase update. Here's an example using the people who played last game (although the order will be randomized and the IC is not guaranteed to be the center):

SpecsFlyer17	A# Minor	davy
threalmathguy	BlackDragonSlayer (Innocent Child)	XiaoMigros
ThatHiddenCharacter	Toby	The Musical Poet

[TheZeldaPianist275]

Are there spaces where the IC is guaranteed *not* to be? I assumed you had him in the center to start because it forces town to weigh lynching one of their own—but making an optimal first tic-tac-toe move and prompting the wolves to play reactively—against trying to hit an actual wolf. You lose that dynamic if the IC is in one of the side middle spots, as those spots are strictly dominated by corners and center.

[Oricorio]

Are there spaces where the IC is guaranteed *not* to be? I assumed you had him in the center to start because it forces town to weigh making an optimal first tic-tac-toe move and prompting the wolves to play reactively over lynching someone guaranteed to be their own. You lose that dynamic if the IC is in one of the side middle spots, as those spots are strictly dominated by corners and center.

Classically, the setup is hosted with the IC in a random slot. I suppose that's because town will rarely choose to not lynch the center anyway and the IC can cause more interesting dilemmas later in the game (e.g. wolves forcing town to make an impossible decision by killing in the same row/column as the IC). If enough people want to though I can change it so that the IC is fixed to the center.

[XiaoMigros]

I prefer random otherwise the wolves would go for it first night

[SpecsFlyer17]

I'd have to read up on optimal tic tac toe strategy, but I see an argument for putting the IC in a strong opening move for the player that moves first. The town would have to weigh lynching a guaranteed human in exchange for the optimal opener.

Random definitely makes things simpler, but Im not sure if too much randomization is a good thing.

[BlackDragonSlayer]

In.

I think random placement is fine, especially if we only get 8 players.