TWG CXVI: Assassin's Gambit (Game Ovev? GAMA OVAR?!)

[Toby]

I want to see more from Xiao

[Kaiveran]

Ahh, sorry y'all. Tough final stretch at work followed by a big dinner left me PTFO for the last few hours.

Obviously, the Later Deadline is now in effect.

I will count votes now, and try to maintain regular and accurate votecounts into the future, but I humbly request that y'all put votes on a separate line within your posts. Otherwise I might not see them.

Oh and yes, the whole issue of OUTSIDE COMMUNICATION that I didn't address!

As I try to be flexible, I will allow any OC medium that y'all are comfortable with (which appears largely to be forum PMs). While not to my personal tastes, these are perfectly fine and dandy as long as you include me in all conversations (which has been happening!)

Other venues are also acceptable, but there are some GROUND RULES you are expected to follow on them:
– You must have a clear signal that distinguishes in-game information from out-of-game information. On platforms which have a continuous "online status", this signal must consist of turning this OFF (c.k.a going Invisible).
– No messages from anyone that were sent while having a visible online status, or tagged with any other "out-of-game" (OOG) signal, are admissible in this court of MafiaWolf under any circumstances.
– The host (me) must be included in any group chats players create. (If you haven't been as good about this as for PMs, that's fine, but now's the time to start.)

Any violations of these rules will be treated with equal severity as breaking the already established rules of this forum.

(This is a standard I aim to maintain in all games going forward, FYI, and I think it's a good idea in general for our neck of the woods.)

[Kaiveran]

TZP asked the same question whether it's just color or full role. Hasn't been answered yet.

It is indeed full role.

[davy]

– You must have a clear signal that distinguishes in-game information from out-of-game information. On platforms which have a continuous "online status", this signal must consist of turning this OFF (c.k.a going Invisible).

I don't quite get this. Could you elaborate or give an example?

[Kaiveran]

Firstly, can we please not do the rainbow? I can't really read the text.

Sorry about that – I usually employ that as a signal so players can easily pick out host communication on normal forums, but I concur that the legibility on the default theme...isn't great. Hopefully this one fares better.

[Kaiveran]

VOTECOUNT 0.2

davy – (2) – XiaoMigros, BlackDragonSlayer
threalmathguy – (2) – A# Minor, TheZeldaPianist275
SpecsFlyer17 – (1) – threalmathguy, A# Minor
BlackDragonSlayer – (0) – XiaoMigros
Toby – (0) – davy
TheZeldaPianist275 – (0) – Toby

[davy]

I am not very sharp this morning I see...

Also, with more players having expressed their opnion, it's now

In favor: davy, TZP, specs, mathguy
Against: BDS, Toby, THC
On the fence: Xiao

Yet to express their opinion: Xiao, Poet, A#

Looks like we have about a 50/50 split...

[Kaiveran]

I don't quite get this. Could you elaborate or give an example?

Well, say something's going on outside the game that might account for a recent lack of responses. You could explicitly indicate something was OOG info, like so:

OOG :: my dog died and I am very sad

That basically means, "hey, this isn't something I'm saying as part of the game, playing my role within it to parlay advantages. This the actual me talking to you personally about stuff."

In an OC tradition, I think that's a very important distinction to make, because when some players are talking to each other both as playing the game and as a normal matter of course, it can be difficult to sort what is what, and historically there have been some severe interpersonal issues in TWG because of that.

So the "OOG tagging" heads that off by making that divide clear for whoever you're talking to.

And I want that OOG tag to be an "Invisible" mode on Discord (or any place where there are similar online statuses) because I don't want online stalking to creep back into the game either.

[davy]

Well, say something's going on outside the game that might account for a recent lack of responses. You could explicitly indicate something was OOG info, like so:

That basically means, "hey, this isn't something I'm saying as part of the game, playing my role within it to parlay advantages. This the actual me talking to you personally about stuff."

In an OC tradition, I think that's a very important distinction to make, because when some players are talking to each other both as playing the game and as a normal matter of course, it can be difficult to sort what is what, and historically there have been some severe interpersonal issues in TWG because of that.

So the "OOG tagging" heads that off by making that divide clear for whoever you're talking to.

And I want that OOG tag to be an "Invisible" mode on Discord (or any place where there are similar online statuses) because I don't want online stalking to creep back into the game either.

I see. I think it is a good idea to have some means of preventing these kind of issues. The only problem I see is that a player could knowingly or unknowingly take advantage of this system by forgetting to turn their discord mode to visible, so I'd rather say we ban online stalking than to put the responsibility of there being no online stalking on the person that is stalked.

[Kaiveran]

I see. I think it is a good idea to have some means of preventing these kind of issues. The only problem I see is that a player could knowingly or unknowingly take advantage of this system by forgetting to turn their discord mode to visible, so I'd rather say we ban online stalking than to put the responsibility of there being no online stalking on the person that is stalked.

ahh yeah that's probably best. OOG Tags probably sufficient for the purpose then. sorry i'm pretty zonked

[ThatHiddenCharacter]

Sorry about that – I usually employ that as a signal so players can easily pick out host communication on normal forums, but I concur that the legibility on the default theme...isn't great. Hopefully this one fares better.

Yes, that is much better. Thank you!

As for the game, I just got off work. I will make a full suspicions post once I get home.

[ThatHiddenCharacter]

Alrighty, here's my general thoughts on everyone.

Xiao: Right now you're at the top of my suspicion list. The only issue with that is the reasoning behind it is also just the way you play every game. But since I don't feel that strongly about anyone else in particular, you are still my current top pick.

davy: I'm very neutral on you right now. BDS seems very convinced you're an assassin from what I skimmed, but I could see it going either way. The way I'll put it is that I likely won't vote for you, but I won't be upset if you get lynched either.

Toby: The fact I can't remember anything about your posts says a lot. I can remember the gists of pretty much everyone else's posts, but not a single thing about any of yours. That tells me that they probably weren't adding a whole lot to the discussion because they likely would have stood out more to me if they did. That being said, I don't find that to be enough to fully suspect you because if I did, then like half the players would also be suspect as assassins.

A#: I'd like to say I could tell you're trying really hard to give input, buuuuut you were really awesome at giving input in the last two games and deducting things. The lack of either of those thus far is a bit of a red flag to me. You may still be new, but you showed some great talent in the last two games. It's still early, though, so I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt for nowI.

Poet: I honestly can't really read you. You're not only new to TWG, but also new to the forum. As of right now, I have no basis for either your personality or playstyle. I would like to hear some more input from you.

math: Correct me if I'm wrong, but you've only made three or four posts so far, right? And one of them was to vote and another was just to agree with someone else's rationale. I think you might be at number two for me right now. I've got my eye on you.

BDS: I'm fairly confident you're town. All the things you've said thus far scream town!BDS to me, plus your response to my DMs just cemented it even more.

TZP: I'm 99% sure you're town. I won't disclose why publicly yet, but I feel it's safe to put you in my town drawer to gather dust.

Specs: ...I forgot about you. On the bright side, going back through your posts, I'm getting a slight town read from you. You seem to actively be trying to not only figure out the best plan for town and actively discuss about other proposed plans, but also get other players to be more active and get their thoughts on the discussion.

[SpecsFlyer17]

also I kinda hope the phase ends in half an hour

Wait, explain this. The most votes anyone had was 2, a ton of safeties were out, and a ton of people hadn't even voted. When you said this, davy had the most votes with 2.

Why would you hope the phase ended with such an effortless voting lineup?

A# for now, will reevaluate at lunch and after work.

[SpecsFlyer17]

Also Kai, could you let us know if card flips include color assignments?

[davy]

Also Kai, could you let us know if card flips include color assignments?

The name of each role includes its color so I'd assume card flips flipping for full roll would include color