TWG CXV: Just a Numbers Game

[BlackDragonSlayer]

Just a rules explanation, if no one votes, is there no lynching? Opposed to being a tie at 0 and it being random?

Full disclosure: when I designed this game, I didn't intend for no lynch to be an option, but for the sake of fairness (having not released a clarification when it was brought up as an option earlier) I'm inclined to allow it as an option. For future hosts, it would be a good idea to clarify if no lynch is an option before the start of the game.

However, in order to go through with a no lynch, players have to explicitly vote no lynch. A no lynch can insta if more than 50% of the players vote for it, and can also KitB if it has equal votes with another player.

[BlackDragonSlayer]

Also a reminder: TWO HOURS until phase end!!!

[TheZeldaPianist275]

Talk me through the no-lynch rationale. All that effectively does is give the wolf two kills before the day phase, which is what we have been trying to avoid this whole time. Pro: it removes a possible candidate for wolf. Con: it gives the wolf a smaller margin required for victory and takes away a vote from the humans. Is there a clear advantage conferred by that?

[BlackDragonSlayer]

TWG CXV: Just a Numbers Game

Spoiler

To some, it's just another day at the office. To others... every day is a life and death struggle to try and slog through another grueling day at work. But today... something's different. Today, nine people wake up in an empty office, tied to chairs in a circle facing away from all the others. There's one rule to the game: pick a number, any number.

Wolves:
1. Head Honcho: Every night, the Head Honcho picks a number between 0 and 100 by PM'ing the host with their selection. Every night, all the other players PM the host a number between 0 and 100. Whoever's number is closest to the number the Head Honcho picks dies. In case of a tie, all tied players die. People who do not pick a number (including the Head Honcho) have their number randomized.

Humans:
2. Number Cruncher
3. Number Cruncher
4. Number Cruncher
5. Number Cruncher
6. Number Cruncher
7. Number Cruncher
8. Number Cruncher

Third Party:
9. The Phantom Number Swapper: Counts as a Human. Every night, in addition to picking their own number, they select one player. The Phantom Number Swapper picks a NEW number for that person, and if they are human, that is their selected number for wolfing purposes. Wins if someone is wolfed as a result of their shenanigans—either if the person who's number they swapped is wolfed, or if someone else is wolfed because of the number swap—or if they are the last Human alive. Can win with either team.

Host Clarifications:

• The Phantom Number Swapper's powers can only affect humans.
• The swapped number that the Phantom Number Swapper picks can potentially be the same number they picked for themself.
• The Phantom Number Swapper can choose not to use their power each night.
• The Phantom Number Swapper can win as a result of their own death if they died as the result of swapping the would-be wolfing target's number.
• The Phantom Number Swapper is informed when they achieve victory. It is not announced publicly.
• An example of The Phantom Number Swapper's victory: Player A picks 20 as their number. Player B picks 21 as their number. The Swapper swaps Player B's number to 50. The Head Honcho picked 21 as the wolfing number. Player A dies instead of Player B.
• An example of when The Phantom Number Swapper does NOT achieve victory: Player A and Player B both pick 50 as their number. The Swapper swaps Player A's number to 60. The Head Honcho picked 50 as the wolfing number. Because Player B would have died either way, this does not count as death-by-shenanigans.
• The number(s) of any killed players will be announced, but the number the Head Honcho picked will not be.
• The Head Honcho wins whenever there is one or fewer humans remaining.
• The game does not have cardflips.

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Players:
1. A# Minor
2. TheZeldaPianist275
3. Olimar12345
4. E. Gadd Industries
5. ThatHiddenCharacter
6. SpecsFlyer17
7. XiaoMigros
8. magnet
9. Toby

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Magnet was wolfed, having picked the number 54.

It is now Day 3. Day 3 ends in two days, on Sunday, August 27 at 7:00 PM Pacific Time (10:00 PM Eastern Time).

[SpecsFlyer17]

Narrator: Luigi did not win by doing absolutely nothing

[BlackDragonSlayer]

Day 3 story was updated in the second post. In case anybody was wondering, I write a generic story ahead of time and then fill in any details as necessary (name, number, etc.) after the phase ends.

[SpecsFlyer17]

80 for me. Not that it matters a whole lot.

Im a little confused by the no-lynch still. I suppose it allows for a 1v2 scenario on day 4... but is that preferable to having two oppertunities to lynch the wolf?

[TheZeldaPianist275]

It doesn't give us two opportunities to lynch the wolf. In both cases we have one opportunity, the question is just whether we're trying to lynch the wolf with three humans or two.

[SpecsFlyer17]

It doesn't give us two opportunities to lynch the wolf. In both cases we have one opportunity, the question is just whether we're trying to lynch the wolf with three humans or two.

You're right, may bad. I suppose it makes sense since it will lower the odds. Assuming random voting, 25% chance today, 33% tomorrow. In non-random context, it removes one player as a source to be suspicious of.

[SpecsFlyer17]

However if we do make it to day 4, the wolf just needs to convince one human fasley. Thats it. Today if he does that, its at least that would be only 50% of the vote.

[Toby]

I am so glad magnet got wolfed lol

If we no lynch then yeah assume random voting we have a greater chance of getting the wolf tomorrow.

It doesn't really matter having one less human we still need a majority or at least 2 to overpower the wolf.

[Toby]

We all should post a suspicion list today

I'll do an updated one irl tomorrow because it's my bday and I'm out tonight won't be on my pc

But I'm sure at least one of you are get to post a suspicion list this game

[BlackDragonSlayer]

I'll do an updated one irl tomorrow because it's my bday and I'm out tonight

ayo august birthdays

Happy birthday!

[TheZeldaPianist275]

Yeeeeaahh honestly I'm not really buying the arguments for a no lynch. It may be true that it removes a person as a possible wolf, but it also removes that person from being able to vote, and it means that the wolf only needs to convince one other person to vote his way. More humans means we have a wider margin for error--why would we avoid that? By your logic, why would we EVER lynch someone if we're not certain?

My suspicion list is the same as it was earlier: Toby>Xiao>Specs. I feel like it's a little more plausible for it to be Xiao than I did last day phase. But I still think that it's probably Toby, and this strat seems like a hailmary to make it easier to get out of the hot seat. Happy birthday though.

This is how I see it: we were trying so hard to avoid two humans dying N3. But if we skip D3, and N3 and N4 both register a night killing before D4, that's essentially the same as if we lost two people during the night phase anyway. I agreed with Toby's logic earlier in the game that lynching is the humans' best power and we should use it, and I agree with it now. Going back on that rationale seems very wolfy to me.

[TheZeldaPianist275]

Also I just realized: Magnet didn't follow the number picking scheme again lol