Trogdor!!!

[Nakah]

No I wish for people to stop doing such stupid remarks. Third post in the forum and already a stupid religious comment, only within a few hours. By the time I saw this topic he already did his comment. If it weren't for that, I'm pretty sure these forums would be a lot better and there would probably be a lot more members. Seriously finding a cool forum and before registering you notice it's full of Biblethumpers, people leave and never come back. There should be a rule, any religious comment would be deleted and the member warned and on repeated offense banned. And I mean ANY RELIGIOUS COMMENT. Including "My religion tells me I shouldn't do that" or even any similar to mine. Before saying "Well it's true according to my religion I can't do that, so how else would I say it?", well you have two options.

1. Say "I'd rather not do that".
2. Shut the hell up.

I can already see some saying "Well a lot of people are Christian/Catholic so things against it are offensive, why not just stop people from saying things against the religion instead". Well newsflash, not everyone is Christian/Catholic. There are a ton of other religions out there and some things YOU believe in are offensive to them.

   No. You are the one who attacked him. People have a right to express their views, religious or not. As long as they aren't offensive to others. You just can't allow ignorance to exist when you can end it. What you're trying to do in your first post is break him through proving his religion as being ignorant for their beliefs. It does not justify your flaming towards him. If pianoman had engaged with trying to reflect what you(mind you are not gamer, so you can't use his post intended towards gamer as defense) said with his beliefs, perhaps you'd have a point. Pianoman intended to ignore anyone who tried to trash him for his beliefs. I'm not one-siding this argument, as I would agree with why you'd be mad and want to respond as you are. It's that pianoman has the right to express his views whether you like it or not, it is not breaking any rule.

[Mike]

Oh yeah ignorant of his beliefs, I fucking dare him to find me a passage in the Bible that says Copyright Infringement is a god damn sin. He could have simply said I don't support piracy rather than saying something that stupid. Might as well start inventing passages in the Bible and say you're ignorant of his beliefs.

Express their beliefs as long as they aren't offensive to others? Alright then from now on I'm part of this religion called "Haven for Non-Morons" and we find that any religion references are very offensive and our chart says people who do it should be stoned. You can't say anything against it because you're just ignorant of my beliefs.

What I can't use Gamer's post as a defense? If that's the case why the hell are you using Pianoman's side as your defense? Sorry but double standards aren't acceptable.

[Dude]

Oh yeah ignorant of his beliefs, I fucking dare him to find me a passage in the Bible that says Copyright Infringement is a god damn sin. He could have simply said I don't support piracy rather than saying something that stupid. Might as well start inventing passages in the Bible and say you're ignorant of his beliefs.

Express their beliefs as long as they aren't offensive to others? Alright then from now on I'm part of this religion called "Haven for Non-Morons" and we find that any religion references are very offensive and our chart says people who do it should be stoned. You can't say anything against it because you're just ignorant of my beliefs.

What I can't use Gamer's post as a defense? If that's the case why the hell are you using Pianoman's side as your defense? Sorry but double standards aren't acceptable.

He's right.

   Again, you test my patience.

[MasterPenguin]

I fucking dare him to find me a passage in the Bible that says Copyright Infringement is a god damn sin.

What is Copyright Infringement?

Copyright infringement (or copyright violation) is the unauthorized use of material that is covered by copyright law

So basically, when you download music for example, you are taking away money from the artist. If you had bought the CD instead, then the artist is gaining the money that s/he worked for. You are, in essence, stealing that artists money when you download instead of buy.

Thou shalt not steal

You shall not steal

I can go across the Bible's, and I can confidently say that they all say identically the same thing.

But just as a side note, I personally am all for pirating. I'm quite a pirate, and I do it all the time. I just thought I'd show you this.

[Brawler4Ever]

Trogdor?

I didn't look really far into this, but will this work?


[EDIT] If it is, please have somebody lock this topic.

[KefkaticFanatic]

I fucking dare him to find me a passage in the Bible that says Copyright Infringement is a god damn sin.

What is Copyright Infringement?

Copyright infringement (or copyright violation) is the unauthorized use of material that is covered by copyright law

So basically, when you download music for example, you are taking away money from the artist. If you had bought the CD instead, then the artist is gaining the money that s/he worked for. You are, in essence, stealing that artists money when you download instead of buy.

Thou shalt not steal

You shall not steal

I can go across the Bible's, and I can confidently say that they all say identically the same thing.

But just as a side note, I personally am all for pirating. I'm quite a pirate, and I do it all the time. I just thought I'd show you this.

When you can find somewhere where it says that copyright infringement is the exact same as stealing from wal-mart, then we can talk.  However, it is not.

[Nakah]

Oh yeah ignorant of his beliefs, I fucking dare him to find me a passage in the Bible that says Copyright Infringement is a god damn sin. He could have simply said I don't support piracy rather than saying something that stupid. Might as well start inventing passages in the Bible and say you're ignorant of his beliefs.

Express their beliefs as long as they aren't offensive to others? Alright then from now on I'm part of this religion called "Haven for Non-Morons" and we find that any religion references are very offensive and our chart says people who do it should be stoned. You can't say anything against it because you're just ignorant of my beliefs.

What I can't use Gamer's post as a defense? If that's the case why the hell are you using Pianoman's side as your defense? Sorry but double standards aren't acceptable.

   No, I never said you were ignorant of his beliefs. I said you were proving that his beliefs were ignorant through flaming him for expressing his ignorant beliefs in a way that you could not let pass. Never did I use religion as my argument at all, and if you read my post more carefully you would see that I was not siding with Pianoman but quite the contrary to what you claimed for me to have done. I stated that I agreed with why you were mad over what Pianoman said, except I did not agree with how you handled it. You have no right to trash him for his beliefs. Whether he is part of any religion at all.


   I'm not biasing my argument with Christianity. If I were to say "I don't want do download stuff through torrents because they'll find out and catch me and I'll go to jail." It would cause the same reaction. Someone is stating something idiotic and making their belief bait for extreme bashing. This is where I come to my point that you could not let his ignorant beliefs go. You felt the need to bring justice to his ignorance by ripping him apart. Someone being ignorant does not justify flaming.


   Entire point of my argument was that you're not justified in flaming him because his beliefs are radical and irrationally ignorant. If he had attacked you then perhaps you would have had the correct incentive to respond the way you did. Except not at all was any of it directed towards you and you made it your priority to inflict your response.


   

[Dude]

Oh yeah ignorant of his beliefs, I fucking dare him to find me a passage in the Bible that says Copyright Infringement is a god damn sin. He could have simply said I don't support piracy rather than saying something that stupid. Might as well start inventing passages in the Bible and say you're ignorant of his beliefs.

Express their beliefs as long as they aren't offensive to others? Alright then from now on I'm part of this religion called "Haven for Non-Morons" and we find that any religion references are very offensive and our chart says people who do it should be stoned. You can't say anything against it because you're just ignorant of my beliefs.

What I can't use Gamer's post as a defense? If that's the case why the hell are you using Pianoman's side as your defense? Sorry but double standards aren't acceptable.

He's right.

   Again, you test my patience.

Orly? Well... That still was a shitty reason to warn me. Even if you don't think so.

[Nakah]

Orly? Well... That still was a shitty reason to warn me. Even if you don't think so.

   I'm sorry you think so.

[Mike]

What is Copyright Infringement?

Copyright infringement (or copyright violation) is the unauthorized use of material that is covered by copyright law

So basically, when you download music for example, you are taking away money from the artist. If you had bought the CD instead, then the artist is gaining the money that s/he worked for. You are, in essence, stealing that artists money when you download instead of buy.

Copyright Infringement is not stealing. Copyright Infringement is creating a copy of something else without the consent of the creator. Stealing is taking something away from the owner without his permission. Saying copyright infringement is the same as stealing would be like saying murder is just like stealing, you're taking away his life.

I stated that I agreed with why you were mad over what Pianoman said, except I did not agree with how you handled it. You have no right to trash him for his beliefs. Whether he is part of any religion at all.

   I'm not biasing my argument with Christianity. If I were to say "I don't want do download stuff through torrents because they'll find out and catch me and I'll go to jail." It would cause the same reaction. Someone is stating something idiotic and making their belief bait for extreme bashing. This is where I come to my point that you could not let his ignorant beliefs go. You felt the need to bring justice to his ignorance by ripping him apart. Someone being ignorant does not justify flaming.

   Entire point of my argument was that you're not justified in flaming him because his beliefs are radical and irrationally ignorant. If he had attacked you then perhaps you would have had the correct incentive to respond the way you did. Except not at all was any of it directed towards you and you made it your priority to inflict your response.

Oh really? Someone is forgetting what Pianoman said before I made my very first post in this topic.

Well, I don't. and Religious people are not morons, they are more intelligent than non-religious people.

I would have handled it way more lightly if he wouldn't have said that. Hell, I probably wouldn't have posted at all.

[Nakah]

Well, I don't. and Religious people are not morons, they are more intelligent than non-religious people.

   I know what he said, it would have been fine if you hadn't flamed back at him.


   It matters not anymore as it is, since we clearly have a different perspective on this situation.

[KefkaticFanatic]

http://objectiveministries.org/zounds/gaming.html

Oh yes religious people are morons.

[Harvest]

Thank you gamer for posting that same link in two topics and then making its own topic.

[Dekudude]

Guys, stop the religion debates. It doesn't matter whether or not you're religious-- so shut up.

PianoMan-- are you looking for the video, or the song, in MP3 format? Also, I am not sure if the song requires payment or not. I found an MP3 by Googling, "Trogdor mp3" though I am not sure if it is "legal", per se. Any ideas?

[Mike]

I know what he said, it would have been fine if you hadn't flamed back at him.

Entire point of my argument was that you're not justified in flaming him because his beliefs are radical and irrationally ignorant. If he had attacked you then perhaps you would have had the correct incentive to respond the way you did. Except not at all was any of it directed towards you and you made it your priority to inflict your response.

Great job on contradicting yourself so bad. He said religious people are more intelligent than non-religious people. I'm non-religious, you'd be retarded if you didn't realize that long ago, so I take this as a personal attack towards me.