[GEN] Sonic the Hedgehog 3 - "Hydrocity Zone Act 2" (Replacement) by Cashwarrior1

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Submission Information:
Series: Sonic
Game: Sonic the Hedgehog 3
Console: Sega Genesis
Title: Hydrocity Zone Act 2
Instrumentation Solo Piano
Arranger: Cashwarrior1


Replacement Information:
Links to Existing Sheet: MUS | MIDI | PDF
Replacement Type: Challenge (new arranger)

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[cashwarrior1]

And now for the second act! I did make some decisions to change the bass/accompaniment for the last section because the middle voices would be too difficult to play and just having the bass would be boring, so I opted for a suggestion of rhythmic complexity and chords.

[Bloop]

-Throughout m1-21, any single-note C's in the L.H. like the first 3 notes in m1 should have their stems flipped.
-m1 and 5: I hear something like a Bb in the L.H. on beat 4, though it has a different sound than the sound of the actual bass.
-m1, 3, 5 and 7: I don't specifically hear the C in the R.H. on beat 2, though I'm guessing you put it in to imitate something in the total sound?
-m9 and 17: I hear Eb's instead of C's on beat 2 and 4, though weirdly enough only in these 2 measures
-m11 and 19: You can write the Gb in the R.H. on beat 3 as F# too, since it's going towards the G.
-m12 and 20: I hear this in the R.H.:
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-m23: The F-Gb-F in beat 3 should be an 8th triplet
-m24: I hear something else here:
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-m25-40: You left out quite a lot of grace notes here, was that intentional? All grace notes here (and in the next section) should be a semitone below the note it's going to (so C# to D, F# to G, etc)
-m25 and 33: The Bn's in the L.H. should be Bb's
-m38: Maybe you could add a courtesy accidental on the Ab in the L.H. on beat 4.5, since the chord here is F major (or F7) and the player might expect this to be an An too.
-m41-53: Was there a specific reason you decided to put a few bass notes here in its original octave? It's not unplayable, but it might be easier and sound a bit more coherent to have these up an octave too (including m47-48)
-m54: The R.H. F on beat 1.5 should be on beat 2 instead.
-m55: Maybe you could add a G in the R.H. chords too? It's just a very nit-picky detail, but currently it could sound like the Eb is resolving up to the G instead of down to the D: adding the G in m55 creates a separate stationary voice while the Eb could disappear to the D.

[cashwarrior1]

-m1, 3, 5 and 7: I don't specifically hear the C in the R.H. on beat 2, though I'm guessing you put it in to imitate something in the total sound?

I put that there because I had listened to isolated channels of the track and the bass plays a C an octave up (like how I show in m9). I didn't put cross beaming because I felt it would look cluttered..

-m9 and 17: I hear Eb's instead of C's on beat 2 and 4, though weirdly enough only in these 2 measures

I'm not hearing that :/

-m25-40: You left out quite a lot of grace notes here, was that intentional? All grace notes here (and in the next section) should be a semitone below the note it's going to (so C# to D, F# to G, etc)

Yeah that was intentional, I felt like at this tempo it might be too much 😅

-m41-53: Was there a specific reason you decided to put a few bass notes here in its original octave? It's not unplayable, but it might be easier and sound a bit more coherent to have these up an octave too (including m47-48)

My thought is that it would feel more "climactic" but yeah moving it up would be better.

Updated!

[XiaoMigros]

-m9 and 17: I hear Eb's instead of C's on beat 2 and 4, though weirdly enough only in these 2 measures

I'm not hearing that :/

thanks for reminding me how much i hate transcribing genesis stuff

Here's an isolation of the bass channel. It plays a 4-bar loop up until m22. It seems Eb is played on beats 2 and 4 every 2 measures, they just happen to be louder in the measures Bloop mentioned. Additionally, A is played on beat 2 in the alternating measures.

[cashwarrior1]

omg i thought they were talking about the right hand LOL

okay so I changed all the beat 4s of each first measure in the loop to Eb, but I left beat 2 on the C an octave up because I think it gets across the "slap" bass sound better and going to the Eb feels like a big leap.

Updated.

[Bloop]

I put that there because I had listened to isolated channels of the track and the bass plays a C an octave up (like how I show in m9). I didn't put cross beaming because I felt it would look cluttered..

Ah I see, that explains it ^^ The hands crossing isn't that hard or uncommon though, so if you prefer, you could've also just kept that C in the L.H. exactly as in m9. However, listening to the isolated track Xiao posted, I agree with this:

It seems Eb is played on beats 2 and 4 every 2 measures, they just happen to be louder in the measures Bloop mentioned. Additionally, A is played on beat 2 in the alternating measures.

Which means this:
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The Eb's and An's on beat 2 are so quick and percussive that there's almost no time to actually hear the note, but I can still kinda hear this bassline. Make sure the C's on beat 3 have their stems flipped too

Yeah that was intentional, I felt like at this tempo it might be too much 😅

That makes sense yeah. All the grace notes you do have though should be a half step up (so C's to C#'s, Eb's to En's and F's to F#'s)

Everything else is good!

[XiaoMigros]

Which means this:
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This is what I hear as well (and spectrograph data implies this as well), but..

[...] but I left beat 2 on the C an octave up because I think it gets across the "slap" bass sound better

.. I kinda agree with this from an arrangement pov

[Bloop]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that when replying! In that case, there's just the possible hand crossing thing I mentioned, and flipping the stems of the C's on beat 3 (and 2.5 if you decide to keep the C in the R.H.)

[cashwarrior1]

Updated! and i don't think i missed anything this time 😅

[Bloop]

Just noticed that in m23, the R.H. beam between beat 1.5 and 2.5 should be broken like in the rest of the sheet, but I'll approve nonetheless!
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[cashwarrior1]

oop updated.

[Libera]

-It sounds to me like the bass plays an Eb on beat 4.5 in bar 22.
-Could we have the 8va in bar 25 start a little more over to the left, like the positioning for bars 12/20.  The 8va in 37 could also come a little away from the slur.
-I hear the bass play two Gs on beat 4 of bar 40, i.e. on beat 4.5 as well.
-The bass in bar 54 sounds like it plays two Fs on beats 1.5 and 2, so I think it'd be better for the left hand hand to have an F at the bottom rather than an Eb.
-I think the sixteenth notes are on the 'very hard' side to play of things so I think personally I'd prefer if they were more explicitly optional.

Otherwise this looks pretty solid to me. 

[cashwarrior1]

Sorry about the wait, got my laptop back now!

Updated.

[Libera]

We had a little chat about the note on discord (decided on making the sixteenth notes small), but now that's done I shall accept!