TWG CXI: How Do I Title This Game Without Offending Anyone

[BlackDragonSlayer]

What game have you been playing lol. What a clearly wolf thing to try to say.

It's things like this that I'm talking about.

yes

Just messaged davy. Turns out there's nothing stopping the fascists from messaging Hitler. That was my main argument against n1 being Hitler and BDS being fascist. So n1's "I have nothing to hide" comment has absolutely no merit if he knew that BDS was also fascist. In normal Secret Hitler, Hitler doesn't know who the fascists are. I assumed that there was something in place to keep that the same. But there's not. So it's all still very much up in the air for me. I want to see what happens with Olimar/Brainy.

Then what's the point of hiding the fascists' identity from Hitler in the first place if they can just contact them normally?

If we just keep the elections between you, me, and n1p2, would there be any downsides to that?  It's not like resistance where we have to get the wolf team exactly right.

hahaha

no

not you

I'd think presidental candidates are safer, for the most part, but we have to be a lot more careful who we elect as chancellor. Personally, I think we should all make a list of who we're not comfortable electing as chancellor; I'll work on that sometime today or tomorrow as well.


Also, yes.

[Brawler4Ever]

Then what's the point of hiding the fascists' identity from Hitler in the first place if they can just contact them normally?

I raised a similar point before the game was created:

If the Fascists know who Hitler is, then they can just pm him and that's an immediate alliance. That doesn't work as well irl, but with private messaging, it's an issue. Maybe give them 2 possible Hitlers, and one of them is the real one?

So apparently davy didn't think that was a big deal, or just missed this comment. In any case, it doesn't matter anymore. We can safely assume that all 3 fascists are working together.

If we just keep the elections between you, me, and n1p2, would there be any downsides to that?  It's not like resistance where we have to get the wolf team exactly right.

I'm not sure if that's even possible even if I wanted to. I barely trust n1. I have absolutely no reason to trust you.

Also, yes.

Why would you vote yes for somebody that you know is fascist?

[BlackDragonSlayer]

Why would you vote yes for somebody that you know is fascist?

I'd think presidental candidates are safer, for the most part, but we have to be a lot more careful who we elect as chancellor.

[mikey]

Actually if this passes that likely clears olimar because the only way it could pass is if brainy is given two liberal policies or if olimar and bds are both fascist

[mikey]

I think I will say yes

[BlackDragonSlayer]

Actually if this passes that likely clears olimar because the only way it could pass is if brainy is given two liberal policies or if olimar and bds are both fascist

what

According to Brawler (if I'm understanding him correctly), there's only one liberal policy left in the deck right now.

[Nana1Popo2]

Yes

[mikey]

He said one or two, right?

[BlackDragonSlayer]

If BDS is telling the truth, then there are 1/5 liberal policies. If he's lying, then there's 2/5. If Brainy was lying, then we can subtract 1 from each value. If Shy was lying, then we can add 1 to each value.

Assuming no one was lying, one.

[mikey]

Oh... hmm
So this mission or the next one is always going to fail, essentially?

[Brawler4Ever]

Yeah. If I, BDS, Brainy, and Shy are all telling the truth, there is exactly 1 liberal card left in the deck.

Next mission there will be 2 cards in the deck, so davy's going to reshuffle the deck before the next legislation phase begins.
davy, for those two cards: are they going to be placed on top of the reshuffled deck, or will those two cards be incorporated somewhere randomly into the deck?

[davy]

Next mission there will be 2 cards in the deck, so davy's going to reshuffle the deck before the next legislation phase begins.
davy, for those two cards: are they going to be placed on top of the reshuffled deck, or will those two cards be incorporated somewhere randomly into the deck?

those two cards will be shuffled into the deck.

[ShyYoshiGuy]

Yes
Wow. This game is complicated.

[Olimar12345]

It's also long and boring as hell

[davy]

Sorry for the late update guys, I was very busy today. Though the fact that two players neglected to vote also didn't help.

TWG CXI: How Do I Title This Game Without Offending Anyone?

Spoiler

7 players

This is not quite a werewolf game, but a similar secret identity game. As such, there will be no wolfings and lynchings

1 Hitler
2 Fascists

Fascists know each other and who Hitler is. Hitler does not know who the Fascists are

4 Liberals

Rather than day and night phases, this game has a Nomination Phase (24 hours), an Election Phase (48 hours), a Legislation Phase (48 hours) and an Executive Action Phase (24 hours). Phases will end early if all actions during that phase have been executed.

There is also a deck of 17 policy cards, consisting of 6 Liberal Policies and 11 Fascist Policies, which is randomnized. Enacting a certain number of these policies is one of the win conditions in this game.

At the start of the game, a random player becomes the Presidential Candidate. It is publicly revealed who is the Presidential Candidate


Nomination Phase

At the start of the Nomination Phase (except the first one) the player following the previous Presidential Candidate on the player list becomes Presidential Candidate

During the Nomination Phase the Presidential Candidate nominates a Chancelor Candidate by bolding that player's name in the topic.

The Presidential Candidate cannot nominate himself. He can also not nominate the current President or the current Chancelor

Afterwards, the game continues to the Election phase


Election Phase

During the Election Phase, all players, including the candidates, state wether they want these candidates to be the next government, by voting yes or no. This vote can be placed either in a PM or in the topic, but at the end of the phase, everyones vote is revealed publicly. Insta's do not apply, and votes cannot be changed.

If the majority votes yes, the Presidential Candidate becomes the President and the Chancelor Candidate becomes the Chancelor. The govenments failed counter resets to 0. The game then moves on to the Legislation Phase.

If the majority votes no or if there is a tie, no new government is elected, and the government failed counter goes up by 1. If the government failed counter reaches 3, it resets to 0, the President and the Chancelor lose their titles, and the top card of the policy deck is enacted. If a Fascist Policy is enacted, no power is given to the President, and the game does not move on to the Executive Action Phase. Regardless of the current goverment failed counter, the game moves on to the Nomination Phase (Legislation Phase and Executive Action Phase are skipped).


Legislation Phase

During the Legislation Phase, neither the President nor the Chancelor are allowed to communicate with other players. This means they cannot post in the Topic (except for vetoing), cannot send PM's (except to the host) and cannot participate in the discord server .

At the start of the Legislation phase, the President is dealt the top 3 cards of the Policy deck by PM from the Host.

Within the first 24 hours of the Legislation Phase, the President discards one of these Policies face-down (by PM'ing the host).

The host then sends the remaining two policies to the Chancelor by PM.

The Chancelor then discards another one of the Policies face-down (by PM'ing the host). If the Chancelor has veto power, he may also bold in the topic: I wish to veto these policies. If the President then PM's the host saying that he agrees to the veto, both policies are discarded and no policies are enacted.

At the end of the phase, the host publicly reveals which policy wasn't discarded and that policy is enacted. If a Fascist Policy is enacted (except for the first one), the game moves on to the Executive Action Phase. Otherwise, that phase is skipped and the game moves on to the next Nomination Phase.


Executive Action Phase

During the Executive Action Phase, the President gains a power that he can use during this phase by bolding the name of the target in the topic. The kind of power depends on the number of Fascist Policies enacted.

1 Fascist Policy: Nothing
2 Fascist Policies: Seer (cannot be the player that was seered before)
3 Fascist Policies: Special Election*
4 Fascist Policies: Vigi
5 Fascist Policies: Vigi. Also, the Chancelor permanently gains veto power

*Special Election means that the President choses the next Presidential Candidate rather than it being random. This Presidential Candidate can nominate anyone but himself as Chancelor Candidate, even the President or the Chancelor. The Presidential Candidate thereafter is the player following the President that gained the Special Election power.


There are no cardflips in this game.
If at any point there are less than three cards in the policy deck, those cards are shuffled together with the discarded policies to form the new policy deck.

Win Conditions

Liberals win by enacting 5 Liberal Policies, or by killing Hitler.
Fascists and Hitler win by enacting 6 Fascist Policies or when Hitler becomes Chancelor and at least 3 Fascist Policies have been enacted.

[close]

1. BlackDragonSlayer
2. Brawler4Ever
3. Olimar12345 President
4. mikey
5. Nana1Popo2
6. ShyYoshiGuy
7. BrainyLucario Chancelor

Failed Governments: 0

Liberal Policies enacted: 2
Fascist Policies enacted: 2

Policies left in deck: 2

Olimar12345 and BrainyLucario have been elected President and Chancelor. It's now Legislation Phase 5. Legislation Phase 5 ends at latest December 1st 11:00AM PST, 12:00PM MST,  1:00PM CST, 2:00PM EST, 8:00PM CET