TWG CIX: Shattered

[BlackDragonSlayer]

Godspeed ya clods. o7

[Brawler4Ever]

I FREAKING CALLED IT!

[mikey]

part of the log is missing, discussion about brawler, then me asking if SMS had PM'd haku.  Haku replied no, only n1p2 and me

he also noted that "[n1p2] thinks I'm jasper for some reason"

[11:00 PM] Haku: nana thinks im jasper, but didn't explain why
[11:00 PM] NocturneOfShadow: makes sense
[11:00 PM] Haku: probably because no lynch
[11:00 PM] Haku: lacked time to get a decent vote
[11:33 PM] Haku: are you actually a wolf ?
[11:34 PM] Haku: I feel like your mechanical knowledge is too strong to be town
[11:34 PM] Haku: but that's angleshoot kinda
[11:35 PM] NocturneOfShadow: wym mechanical knowledge
[11:35 PM] Haku: knowing about how painting work etc.
[11:35 PM] NocturneOfShadow: oh you mean like
[11:35 PM] NocturneOfShadow: yeah
[11:36 PM] NocturneOfShadow: brainy's been trying to host this game for a while
[11:36 PM] NocturneOfShadow: I've looked at it a few times, so I'm familiar with how the roles operate
[11:36 PM] Haku: ah, maybe you were around when brainy made that game
[11:36 PM] NocturneOfShadow: mhmm
[11:36 PM] Haku: why did BDS even claim
[11:37 PM] NocturneOfShadow: he was in lynch area
[11:38 PM] Haku: I don't feel bad for voting no lynch considering how the game unfolded so far
[11:38 PM] Haku: what if rattata was seer or vigi
[11:38 PM] Haku: that would hurt big
[11:39 PM] Haku: the point of no lynch is to let the vigi have a shot
[11:39 PM] Haku: or only the nk
[11:39 PM] Haku: you can literally extend the game too
[11:40 PM] Haku: well, too late now
[11:41 PM] NocturneOfShadow: but then the wolves get another shot at hitting a PR
[11:42 PM] Haku: the wolves always have a shot at hitting a PR
[11:42 PM] Haku: and so does the vigi
[11:42 PM] Haku: which equalize the game
[11:42 PM] Haku: but if you also mislynch
[11:42 PM] Haku: it makes it harder
[11:42 PM] Haku: and remove a potential 3rd phase
[11:42 PM] Haku: unless wolf hit etc.
[11:43 PM] Haku: mislynch + night kill + vigi shot
[11:43 PM] Haku: already mylo
[11:43 PM] Haku: that game would get super technical if it was on FFR
[11:43 PM] Haku: about what to do and not do and why
[11:44 PM] Haku: lol nana moving from no lynch to no vote


so his logs are kind of hard to decipher

it's possible wolf n1p2 is playing some kind of game with haku to try getting him to claim- that is, haku was never claimed to by the wolves.
the other option is that n1p2 is a wild goose planted by haku to get us to mislynch.

[mikey]

At the moment, it's the best lead we have to go on.

I added a little bit to the log cause it wasn't as much as I thought at first.

Spoiler

[10:59 PM] NocturneOfShadow: has spiritual mask salesman tried to PM you at all?
[10:59 PM] Haku: nope
[10:59 PM] Haku: nana did
[10:59 PM] Haku: you did
[11:00 PM] Haku: that's it
[11:00 PM] NocturneOfShadow: did nana say anything important
[11:00 PM] Haku: nana thinks im jasper, but didn't explain why
[11:00 PM] NocturneOfShadow: makes sense
[11:00 PM] Haku: probably because no lynch
[11:00 PM] Haku: lacked time to get a decent vote
[11:33 PM] Haku: are you actually a wolf ?
[11:34 PM] Haku: I feel like your mechanical knowledge is too strong to be town
[11:34 PM] Haku: but that's angleshoot kinda
[11:35 PM] NocturneOfShadow: wym mechanical knowledge
[11:35 PM] Haku: knowing about how painting work etc.
[11:35 PM] NocturneOfShadow: oh you mean like
[11:35 PM] NocturneOfShadow: yeah
[11:36 PM] NocturneOfShadow: brainy's been trying to host this game for a while
[11:36 PM] NocturneOfShadow: I've looked at it a few times, so I'm familiar with how the roles operate
[11:36 PM] Haku: ah, maybe you were around when brainy made that game
[11:36 PM] NocturneOfShadow: mhmm
[11:36 PM] Haku: why did BDS even claim
[11:37 PM] NocturneOfShadow: he was in lynch area
[11:38 PM] Haku: I don't feel bad for voting no lynch considering how the game unfolded so far
[11:38 PM] Haku: what if rattata was seer or vigi
[11:38 PM] Haku: that would hurt big
[11:39 PM] Haku: the point of no lynch is to let the vigi have a shot
[11:39 PM] Haku: or only the nk
[11:39 PM] Haku: you can literally extend the game too
[11:40 PM] Haku: well, too late now
[11:41 PM] NocturneOfShadow: but then the wolves get another shot at hitting a PR
[11:42 PM] Haku: the wolves always have a shot at hitting a PR
[11:42 PM] Haku: and so does the vigi
[11:42 PM] Haku: which equalize the game
[11:42 PM] Haku: but if you also mislynch
[11:42 PM] Haku: it makes it harder
[11:42 PM] Haku: and remove a potential 3rd phase
[11:42 PM] Haku: unless wolf hit etc.
[11:43 PM] Haku: mislynch + night kill + vigi shot
[11:43 PM] Haku: already mylo
[11:43 PM] Haku: that game would get super technical if it was on FFR
[11:43 PM] Haku: about what to do and not do and why
[11:44 PM] Haku: lol nana moving from no lynch to no vote

[close]

[Spiritual Mask Salesman]

Ok, so since everyone knows I'm the Seer now, everyone on Discord anyway, if you aren't on Discord this is news to you, yes I'm Garnet. Currentely I know who the other gems are and we're debating who to lynch, so just hang tight.

[Spiritual Mask Salesman]

BDS wanted Mikey Lynched yesterday, so did I, and so far the other gems seem in agreement that lynching Mikey today is our best bet.

[Nana1Popo2]

Mikey is requesting I share this, so here we go

Spoiler

[9:04 PM] NocturneOfShadow: don't worry about catching up- right now we just need to know if you have logs with haku
[9:05 PM] NocturneOfShadow: he flipped jasper, if you didn't know
[9:05 PM] NocturneOfShadow: so we need to look at everything he said
[9:08 PM] CzekMark1: yeah i have logs with her
[9:08 PM] NocturneOfShadow: mind sharing them?
[9:08 PM] CzekMark1: one sec
[9:09 PM] CzekMark1: gonna test to see if ol copy and paste works...
[9:09 PM] CzekMark1: [9:04 PM] NocturneOfShadow: don't worry about catching up- right now we just need to know if you have logs with haku
[9:05 PM] NocturneOfShadow: he flipped jasper, if you didn't know
[9:05 PM] NocturneOfShadow: so we need to look at everything he said
[9:08 PM] CzekMark1: yeah i have logs with her
[9:09 PM] NocturneOfShadow: it should
[9:09 PM] CzekMark1: cool
[9:09 PM] NocturneOfShadow: fellow compact mode user
[9:09 PM] NocturneOfShadow: touche
[9:10 PM] NocturneOfShadow: must be a long log kappa
[9:12 PM] CzekMark1: oh shit, theres a limit to post lengths yeah one sec
[9:12 PM] CzekMark1: heres the first part
[9:12 PM] CzekMark1: Btw
[9:12 PM] CzekMark1: and for the record,
[9:13 PM] CzekMark1: im sharing with you because it was so long awaited in the main chat. Let it be known, that i feel the whole secrecy between players can get kind of... un fun. But... i guess thats how yall like to play on here. I'll get used to it eventually, im sure
[9:13 PM] NocturneOfShadow: you can share it anywhere you feel comfortable tbh
[9:13 PM] CzekMark1: [12:12 PM] CzekMark1: If you have any time before you leave, do you have any other suspicions? on reads that is?
[12:13 PM] Haku: WV is likely the replacement, but that doesn't mean much
[12:13 PM] CzekMark1: yeah, true. i havent seen anything from them
[12:14 PM] Haku: Brawler/mikey are probably both towns fighting
[12:14 PM] CzekMark1: lol
[12:14 PM] CzekMark1: thatd be great
[12:14 PM] Haku: BDS is null to me
[12:14 PM] CzekMark1: although there is suspicion amongst all that
[12:14 PM] Haku: can read his posts either alignment
[12:14 PM] CzekMark1: unless its like last game where one of the wolves was in hiding for most of the game
[12:14 PM] Haku: I did play with BDS before on FFR
[12:14 PM] Haku: he has extremely good tone
[9:14 PM] CzekMark1: [12:15 PM] CzekMark1: yeah, ive heard of him being in a championship or something
[12:15 PM] Haku: rather than what's being said
[12:15 PM] CzekMark1: i expect good playing
[12:15 PM] CzekMark1: right
[12:15 PM] Haku: WV is a low investment player
[12:15 PM] CzekMark1: any reads on Jasper? Seeing as theyre 3rd party?
[12:15 PM] CzekMark1: maybe one of the people in the quaffle?
[12:16 PM] CzekMark1: although... why put themselves on the front lines for a possible lynch...
[12:16 PM] Haku: I'll rephrase the above first
[12:16 PM] Haku: WV is most likely town
[12:16 PM] Haku: until he posts things that will feel like he's trying to push the game a certain direction
[12:16 PM] Haku: town Wayward usually literally does nothing
[12:16 PM] Haku: that influences the game
[12:16 PM] Haku: but may ask questions
[12:16 PM] Haku: I played a few games with him on FFR
[12:17 PM] CzekMark1: good to know
[12:17 PM] Haku: I think you're a wolf coasting
[12:17 PM] Haku: [insert evil laughs]
[12:17 PM] CzekMark1: coasting? haha
[12:17 PM] Haku: but honestly I have no clue how to read you so far
[12:18 PM] Haku: it's just that "the new player" game is kind of a strong cover
[12:18 PM] Haku: for wolfing
[12:18 PM] Haku: and you should try to get a stance eventually
[12:18 PM] CzekMark1: yeah, but im trying to leave that behind because i used it last game, my actual first game
[12:18 PM] Haku: even if you may be wrong
[12:18 PM] Haku: it will help us get a read on you
[12:18 PM] CzekMark1: true
[12:18 PM] Haku: like just share concerns or something
[12:18 PM] CzekMark1: these day/nights are so long it doesnt help until theres actiuon
[12:18 PM] CzekMark1: true
[12:18 PM] Haku: don't have to be all black and white
[9:14 PM] CzekMark1: [12:19 PM] CzekMark1: im usually black and white though, to be fair
[12:19 PM] CzekMark1: but ill take a side when i see it
[12:19 PM] Haku: I think wolves don't expect no lynch and the longer this goes, the more town will eventually have enough information
[12:19 PM] Haku: to get the game going somewhere
[12:19 PM] CzekMark1: right now is just banter, and i dont like it
[12:19 PM] Haku: that's pmuch why no lynch is probably best here
[12:20 PM] Haku: exactly what you said
[12:20 PM] Haku: town needs time
[12:20 PM] Haku: even if that's boring on paper
[12:20 PM] CzekMark1: at the same time though, a kill helps shed some light, unfortunately
[12:20 PM] Haku: no lynch is only for this phase honestly
[12:21 PM] CzekMark1: yeah
[12:21 PM] Haku: the game will be forced to move on
[12:21 PM] Haku: town can't win by no lynching constantly
[12:21 PM] Haku: anyway, I have to prepare myself for work
[12:21 PM] Haku: leaving in like 10min lol
[12:21 PM] CzekMark1: you said that like 10 mins ago
[12:21 PM] CzekMark1: we'll talk more, later!
[12:21 PM] Haku: I work at 4pm, but I have to get there too
[12:22 PM] CzekMark1: ah tru
[9:15 PM] CzekMark1: im also not a huge fan of claiming at all. Idk if I'll get used to that though, to be fair.
[9:15 PM] NocturneOfShadow: what's your time zone?
[9:16 PM] NocturneOfShadow: Eastern, right?
[9:16 PM] CzekMark1: no im in AZ
[9:16 PM] CzekMark1: MST
[9:16 PM] NocturneOfShadow: oh
[9:16 PM] CzekMark1: Haku is 3 hours ahead of me
[9:16 PM] NocturneOfShadow: why did you PM haku anyway?
[9:17 PM] CzekMark1: i was curious about who they were. I, too, was thinking along the lines of them being Jasper.
[9:17 PM] CzekMark1: and, no one has ever contacted me directly before so i figured i probably should lol
[9:17 PM] NocturneOfShadow: you didn't say anything like that in the log
[9:17 PM] CzekMark1: i didnt
[9:18 PM] CzekMark1: i wanted to hear their thoughts
[9:18 PM] NocturneOfShadow: but you messaged them because they were curious about who they were?
[9:18 PM] CzekMark1: yeah? I was curious about them being Jasper, so i wanted to see if they had thoughts on anyone else. Maybe they used their power or something and would lead to a different view?
[9:19 PM] CzekMark1: didnt lead very far
[9:19 PM] NocturneOfShadow: but what I'm wondering
[9:19 PM] CzekMark1: obvi, but, i know they had their shit togather
[9:19 PM] NocturneOfShadow: is why you're not sharing the whole log
[9:21 PM] NocturneOfShadow: yeah dud3e
[9:21 PM] NocturneOfShadow: you're caught
[9:21 PM] NocturneOfShadow: sorry
[9:21 PM] NocturneOfShadow: I have logs with haku too remember
[9:21 PM] NocturneOfShadow: :wolf:
[9:22 PM] NocturneOfShadow: do me a favor and post this log to the thread please
[9:22 PM] NocturneOfShadow: I'm on edge and it copy pastes weird
[9:23 PM] CzekMark1: She didn't talk back .. i was up late too before going to bed for work the next day
lol okay. So what in her logs makes you think that I'm wolf? I'm curious what you talked about
[9:23 PM] NocturneOfShadow: we talked about you
[9:23 PM] CzekMark1: At least, curious what leads you to that decision
[9:23 PM] CzekMark1: is it in regards to the logs on the site?
[9:24 PM] NocturneOfShadow: there's an inconsistency
[9:24 PM] NocturneOfShadow: you're covering something
[9:24 PM] CzekMark1: i mean, im holding back my role because i havent told anyone
[9:24 PM] NocturneOfShadow: go ahead and post this log to the site please
[9:24 PM] NocturneOfShadow: not doing so just makes you look worse
[9:25 PM] CzekMark1: oh
[9:25 PM] CzekMark1: hold on
[9:25 PM] CzekMark1: im just rereading now
[9:26 PM] CzekMark1: is it the part about me thinking she is Jasper?
[9:26 PM] NocturneOfShadow: I haven't shared the full log with haku
[9:26 PM] NocturneOfShadow: there's a section in between the two
[9:27 PM] CzekMark1: well then why can i fully trust your decision if i dont even know what the full truth is? Or apparently anyone else...
[9:27 PM] NocturneOfShadow: are you going to post this log to the thread or not
[9:27 PM] CzekMark1: i can yeah
[9:27 PM] NocturneOfShadow: do it
[9:27 PM] NocturneOfShadow: right now
[9:27 PM] NocturneOfShadow: thanks
[9:27 PM] CzekMark1: are you going to post your other part?
[9:27 PM] NocturneOfShadow: after some discussion, yes
[9:28 PM] CzekMark1: discussion with the rest of the group?
[9:28 PM] NocturneOfShadow: yes
[9:28 PM] CzekMark1: if you havent released this supposed section that makes me look shady, how will they know?
[9:28 PM] NocturneOfShadow: because your logs are obviously doctored
[9:28 PM] CzekMark1: doctored?
[9:28 PM] CzekMark1: faked?
[9:29 PM] NocturneOfShadow: well, tampered
[9:29 PM] NocturneOfShadow: not faked
[9:29 PM] NocturneOfShadow: you cut off a section at the beginning, looking at comparisons
[9:29 PM] NocturneOfShadow: like, I get that you tried, but that's pretty much it
[9:29 PM] CzekMark1: theres nothing cut off at the beginning, i was going to copy the text that says "This is the beginning of your log with Haku, etc" but it wouldnt let me...
[9:30 PM] CzekMark1: thats the best i got lol. but there really isnt anything else in the beginning.
[9:30 PM] CzekMark1: The last line of text is me telling her i think she is Jasper, and thats about it
[9:30 PM] NocturneOfShadow: just post this log, and you're welcome to try defending yourself in the thread
[9:30 PM] CzekMark1: oooookay
[9:31 PM] CzekMark1: im a little confused, but ill post it in a sec

[close]

[mikey]

Nana1Popo2

[Nana1Popo2]

So... any thoughts Mikey? Or you're just going to vote..

As good as I'm sure telling you I'm not wolf will work, it appears that this game is all about claiming to someone (or everyone) in private and then forming alliances, etc. Not used to that, nor am I really a fan. But is that honestly the best way this game can be played?

I haven't claimed to anyone for this reason, nor have I been able to properly talk because the only way to not seem suspicious is to actually just claim. lol. Especially with what has gone on in chat.

I'm not including the banter from day 1 because that was a mess...

[mikey]

my thoughts are already in the chat lol
haku said you messaged him because you thought he was jasper
nowhere in your log does it even mention jasper
the log has therefore been edited
plus, that first line is not how conversations usually start (this is weak)
[9:13 PM] CzekMark1: [12:12 PM] CzekMark1: If you have any time before you leave, do you have any other suspicions? on reads that is?

when I asked you why you weren't sharing the full log, you had to wait for several minutes and never said anything.  You were caught.
TBH, blame haku, he mentioned having logs with you.

[Nana1Popo2]

Ok, so i made a mistake and left out the last comment. Don't ask me why I did, it seems you cared a lot about it.
Which is fair, because she did mention me telling her I thought she was Jasper:

Spoiler

[12:21 PM] Haku: I work at 4pm, but I have to get there too
[12:22 PM] CzekMark1: ah tru
[12:26 PM] CzekMark1: i do have one read, as odd as it is, I'm backing up the suspicions that you're Jasper.. if im gonna be honest with you. (since you told me yours)

(Conspiring with the enemy!!)

[close]

Also, I started the conversation that way because, in the main chat, she said she had to leave for work in '10 minutes,' or something. So i wanted to catch her before she left.

Also also, I have a life outside of NSM and walked away from the computer when we were talking. lol.
I never take in to account how long someone responds. Because I'd imagine no one just sits at their computer and focuses on TWG.

[Nana1Popo2]

Then, she didn't respond after that, which I mentioned in my chat with you.

But, figure I'd better reiterate that considering no one listens the first time around..

[Nana1Popo2]

Sorry for spam, forget I can't edit comments.

Guess I'll have to claim to someone if I'm going to have any say.

[mikey]

The lies

because discord shows when you are typing
and you began and stopped typing at least three separate times
so don't give me that

I did tell you to try defending yourself, but more lies is not what I was expecting

and yes, you need to claim your role ("your role") to Spiritual Mask Salesman

if you claim "crystal gem", well, things aren't going to work out for you

[Brawler4Ever]

N1 just claimed seer to me. I trust SMS more than n1. So we lynch n1 and if he's seer then sms gets vigi'd.

I'll post log tomorrow when I have access to a computer.

Nana1Popo2