[DELETED] [3DS] Paper Mario: Sticker Star - "Gooper Blooper Battle Boogie" by ThatHiddenCharacter

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Submission Information:
Series: Super Mario
Game: Paper Mario: Sticker Star
Console: Nintendo 3DS
Title: Gooper Blooper Battle Boogie
Instrumentation Solo Piano
Arranger: ThatHiddenCharacter

[ThatHiddenCharacter]

Beautiful.
Groovy.
SHINY!!!

[Libera]

This is a really cool song that I hadn't heard before, so it was fun looking through this (I haven't checked everything note by note though).  There are a few issues with the transcription as it is at the moment though.

1.  I think you should change the time signature to 12/8 throughout, as apart from the hemiola in the first two bars, the piece is in 12/8 rather than 6/4.  I can certainly see why you might have thought it was 6/4 though as there are a lot of cross rhythms throughout the piece.  A real giveaway that it's in 12/8 is the bass drum which plays every dotted crotchet.  Also, I think a nice way to tell in future would be if you ever find yourself changing from simple time to compound time (or vice versa) and it doesn't suddenly sound wildly different, it's probably that you were misidentifying one of the time signatures.

2.  I don't think your key choices are correct, though I can see where you've got them from.  I'll tell you what the keys are and then I'll try and give and explanation to help you get it right in future (it can be tricky!). 
-From m.1 through to m.11 we are in G minor.
-From m.12 through to m.20 we are in A minor.
-From m.21 through to m.29 we are in B flat minor.
-From m.30 to the end this is actually kind of complicated and I'm not sure what the best way to notate this would be.

Ok, so for the first three keys what I think you've done is misidentified the dominant (the V of the key) as the tonic of the key.  This is probably because in those sections the song is very heavily basing itself around the dominant and so I can see why you've done that.  What you'll notice though is that, for example, in the first section you have C# in the key signature, but there isn't actually a single C# played at any point (they're always naturals). [Apart from there is a C# in the opening two bars, but they're quite chromatic so it's expected].  What I'd suggest in future is to not decide on the key based on the first chord you find and try and look at the whole section to establish the key.  Once you've made a decision, try and imagine what the section would sound like if it ended on the tonic in the key signature you decided: if it doesn't sound like an ending, that probably means you've got the wrong key.

For the final key we're sort of in G major like you put and sort of in G minor.  The tonality is being a bit strange here and either choice you make is going to require a lot of accidentals.  We're also borrowing chords from G minor's subdominant (C minor) so it gets even more confusing.  I'd either notate this as G major or G minor and I'll leave that choice up to you (unless one of the updaters has a personal preference.)

3.  I think the notes in the right hand at m.25 -m.26 aren't quite right.

4.  In m.34, m.35 and m.36 the chords at the end of each bar aren't quite right.  I haven't worked out the exact voicings, but they should be (the last two crotchets of each bar) Eb major, then F major.  (It's a bVI bVII I chord progression if you're interested!)

5.  This really is just personal preference, but (definitely not biased as a trumpet player) I feel like it'd be nice to get some of the trumpet fall at m.24 into the sheet. 

This is quite a tricky piece in my opinion so well done for giving it a go, and this could definitely be a really good transcription!

[ThatHiddenCharacter]

5.  This really is just personal preference, but (definitely not biased as a trumpet player) I feel like it'd be nice to get some of the trumpet fall at m.24 into the sheet.

I wanted to do that, but I couldn't figure out how to get it to work right. I still can't. (And there's another fall for the saxophone at measure 32, which I like more, but still can't figure out as well.)

I also happened to notice I neglected to add the copyright information, so I fixed that as well.

Thanks for all the feedback, I've updated the files.

I may have accidentally left some half notes where they don't belong, but since I'm positive there'll be more I need to fix anyway, I'll wait for more feedback before fixing that.

[Latios212]

1.  I think you should change the time signature to 12/8 throughout, as apart from the hemiola in the first two bars, the piece is in 12/8 rather than 6/4.  I can certainly see why you might have thought it was 6/4 though as there are a lot of cross rhythms throughout the piece.  A real giveaway that it's in 12/8 is the bass drum which plays every dotted crotchet.  Also, I think a nice way to tell in future would be if you ever find yourself changing from simple time to compound time (or vice versa) and it doesn't suddenly sound wildly different, it's probably that you were misidentifying one of the time signatures.

I disagree here and think that it's the bass drum that's syncopated - the melody and bass are both much more suited to a 6/4 rhythm for the majority of the piece (and as such I instinctively count quarters for all but m. 29-33). On the contrary, I do feel that in m. 29-33 there is a beat emphasis change from simple to compound time and vice versa upon exiting the section.

[WaluigiTime64]

Mmm... nah I think Libera's right. It's definitely got much more of a 12/8 flavour/drive. This kind of syncopation (as you would know) is very common, and I find it hard to believe that the bass drum of all instruments would be "syncopated" like that for almost the entire piece. Also your comment saying that 6/4 suits the bass more isn't completely true either.

[ThatHiddenCharacter]

Gooper's hand claps and slaps go to a 12/8 rhythm the entire time, but you just can't hear it because BrawlBRSTMs used the actual soundtrack version instead of the sucky GilvaSunner version.

But seriously, they do, and if you want to hear it, GilvaSunner has the in-game version with the claps (and without the transitions which is why it's sucky).

[Brassman388]

Cool.

Just remember, if you're going to write it in 12/8 you need to divide up all those notes like half notes into dotted quarter notes tied into eight notes, staccato'd quarter notes into an eighth note followed by an eighth rest, along with the rests as well. Be consistent.

Also, check that sax solo in the last section, there are some subdivisions that are missing.

You're almost there, keep it up.

[LeviR.star]

THC, how's it going on this sheet?

[ThatHiddenCharacter]

It's gonna take a lot of time to fix what needs to be fixed, so I'm waiting til I'm not quite as busy with school. I don't know when that'll be, so I won't take the sheet down in case it's soon, but if the updaters think it's clogging up stuff, I'm fine with them taking it down for now.

[Libera]

That's fine; we don't take sheets down if we think they're going to be worked on (even if it's a while off).  Thanks for letting us know!

[Libera]

Since you seem to be more active at the moment, bump for THC.

[ThatHiddenCharacter]

Since you seem to be more active at the moment, bump for THC.

There's a lot of tedious stuff I need to do to fix it, so it will still take a bit, but I do have time to do it hopefully. I'd say expect this to be updated by the end of the weekend. Hopefully.

[Sebastian]

Bump for THC.

[Libera]

I'm going to archive this for inactivity.  When you have the time to go through all that stuff, feel free to post it again!