TWG CXX: Lynch the Grynch Game Thread

[SpecsFlyer17]

TWG CXX: Lynch the Grynch



Teams:
1. The Grinch

2. Santa Claus
3. Rudolph
4. Frosty the Snowman
5. Elf
6. Elf
7. Ebenezer Scrooge

8. Grandma (who got run over a reindeer)


Role Descriptions:
Grinch: He hates Christmas so much so that each night, he selects one player to be put on the "naughty list". The following day, that player's vote will not count. This list is cumulative. The Grinch will be informed if the player was successfully added to the naughty list or not. Also, if he places Santa on the naughty list, the Grinch will become seer colored green, and Santa will lose the ability to place a player on the nice list. Also has a seer ability, which can be used each night.

Santa Claus: Each night, Santa selects one player to be on the "nice list". If that player is on the naughty list, they are removed from the list but can be placed on the naughty list later. If the player was not on the naughty list, they are immune from being placed on the naughty list for the rest of the game. Cannot select himself, however the ability can be used once more while dead if Santa dies.
Rudolph: Lights up the night with his bright nose. Each night, he can submit one name to learn their color. Seer role.
Frosty the Snowman: A jolly, happy soul. He's pretty thicc, and his extra weight allows him to survive one wolfing without dying. Does not apply to lynching. Role PM says he's an Elf.
Elf: Just a normal elf.
Ebenezer Scrooge: Despite his harsh appearance, Scrooge has rediscovered the true meaning and spirit of Christmas. Unfortunately, he will flag red if seer'd by Rudolph. Role PM says he's an Elf.

Grandma (who got run over by a reindeer): Or at least she's trying to. Her goal is to be lynched by D2. If she is successful in doing so, one random player who voted from her will also be run over by the reindeer (killed), although the Grinch cannot die via this method (unless no one else voted for Grandma). If she fails to be lynched by D2, she loses and is removed from the game. Cannot be wolfed; a wolfing attempt against her will fail. The game does NOT end if Grandma wins or loses.

Other Rules:
N1 start.
24hr nights, 48hr days (a time extension may be implemented over Christmas, Boxing Day, New Years on a case-by-case basis).
No cardflips.
Vote totals will not be published, just the lynched player (and whether or not it was a KitB).
No instas, phantoms will be awarded for failure to vote.
PMs are permitted, just keep the host included.
If the same player is selected by the Grinch and Santa on a given night, they are placed on the naughty list and then subsequently removed. They can be placed on the naughty list on subsequent nights. The Grinch will still be informed that their power worked, since the player was placed on the naughty list, then taken off it.
If a wolfing fails, a "wolfing failed" message will be announced. If the Grinch doesn't wolf anyone, a "no wolfing" message will be announced.
If the Grinch places Santa on the naughty list, the grinch will be informed and Santa's action's will be voided that night.
If Santa is wolfed, his action that night does not count as his one "dead" action.
Added: If the Grinch correctly guesses Santa and is Seer'd by Rudolph that night, the result will be green.
Added: If a day occurs where the best the town can force is a KitB (due to votes not counting), the Grinch will win (example: 2v1 where one townie is on the naughty list).
Added: For all deaths, a short death post is permitted, provided no gameplay, strategy, etc is share.

Win Conditions:
Grinch: Achieve parity (1v1), or force a situation where the best the town can do is a KitB.
Town: Lynch the Grinch.
Grandma: Get lynched by D2.

Role PMs

Spoiler

I wouldn't touch you with a 39-and-a-half-foot pole! You are the Grinch. Each night, submit a player to be placed on the naughty list and submit a player to be seer'd. The results of both actions will be returned at the end of the night phase. Also, submit a player to be wolfed. You win by achieving wolf/town parity, which is 1v1 in this game.

Ho Ho Ho! You are Santa Claus. Each night, submit a player (besides yourself) to be placed on the nice list. If you are killed, you can still place one more player on the nice list during a subsequent night. If the Grinch places you on the naughty list, you lose your power. Ho ho ho!

Lol your nose is red??? You must be Rudolph. Each night, submit a player to be seer'd. The result will be returned to you at the end of the night phase.

'sup shorty. You're an Elf. Find that Grinch and get him out of here! However, you could be Frosty the Snowman or Ebenezer Scrooge (admittedly that makes no sense, but just go with it).

(cue music) Grandma tried to get run over by a reindeer! You are Grandma, and your goal is to get lynched by D2, which is the game equivalent of being ran over. You don't have to worry about getting wolfed, but you will be removed from the game if you don't get lynched by D2. If you are lynched, a random player (besides the Grinch) who voted for you will also be run over by the reindeer (killed) with you. Your win condition does not affect the town/wolf win conditions.

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Players
1. TheZeldaPianist
2. davy
3. BlackDragonSlayer
4. ThatHiddenCharacter
5. XiaoMigros
6. Oricorio
7. Toby
8. threalmathguy

N2: Toby was grynched!

D2 has begun, and will last until:
January 12th, 2023 
9:00p/2100 UTC
1:00p/1300 PST
3:00p/1500 CST
4:00p/1600 EST
10:00p/2200 CET

[ThatHiddenCharacter]

As promised, here is my first post of the phase. I vote for BDS. No worry about a wolf rush or anything, so I have no problem doing it immediately since I trust my gut implicitly.

[Oricorio]

As promised, here is my first post of the phase. I vote for BDS. No worry about a wolf rush or anything, so I have no problem doing it immediately since I trust my gut implicitly.

I mean, there's only one wolf here and six living players

Still, interesting nightkill. The Grinch may have been worried about Toby getting too close to the scent, so taking a closer look at Toby's ISO means we need to give Xiao and davy close attention. That, or the Grinch seered Toby blue.

[Oricorio]

As promised, here is my first post of the phase. I vote for BDS. No worry about a wolf rush or anything, so I have no problem doing it immediately since I trust my gut implicitly.

So, what do you think of the nightkill in the context of a w!BDS world? I mean, he could have used it to push his current worldview of THC/davy being wolf/Grandma or vice versa. That, or Toby was seered blue again. Maybe we shouldn't look too deeply into this

[Oricorio]

Also, come on XiaoMigros. I don't want town to lose because someone was AfK. Or this could be a weird Grandma strategy, but even then, come on.

[ThatHiddenCharacter]

So, what do you think of the nightkill in the context of a w!BDS world?

It makes a lot of sense that an experienced player would be trying to get rid of other experienced players first, situation permitting, and while there are a few of those here, it also doesn't go against my belief that BDS is wolf since he is one of the experienced players.

[Oricorio]

It makes a lot of sense that an experienced player would be trying to get rid of other experienced players first, situation permitting, and while there are a few of those here, it also doesn't go against my belief that BDS is wolf since he is one of the experienced players.

Can you explain in more detail your read on BDS, and why you don't think it could be anyone else? You're basically asking us to risk the entire game on a "gut feeling"

[BlackDragonSlayer]

As promised, here is my first post of the phase. I vote for BDS. No worry about a wolf rush or anything, so I have no problem doing it immediately since I trust my gut implicitly.

Just in case anyone missed it, there are no instas in this game.

Still, interesting nightkill. The Grinch may have been worried about Toby getting too close to the scent, so taking a closer look at Toby's ISO means we need to give Xiao and davy close attention. That, or the Grinch seered Toby blue.

i'd like to think the grinch has a heart and wolfed toby so he wouldn't have to worry about spending any more time on the game <3

If I had to take a guess I'd say either he was seered, or just because he generally seemed more on the human side.

It makes a lot of sense that an experienced player would be trying to get rid of other experienced players first, situation permitting, and while there are a few of those here, it also doesn't go against my belief that BDS is wolf since he is one of the experienced players.

I did that in the assassin game specifically because of the likelihood of assassin!Davy seeing me as a threat and wolfing me early. I'm not sure if the same logic would apply to this game if I were the Grinch.

[TheZeldaPianist275]

Aw, good guy Grynch letting Toby leave the game early.

Anyway, I've got news to share. I got a PM ~20 secs before the phase end from someone who claimed to be the seer, and said he trusted me and wanted to pass info along in case he died in the night. He said he seered Davy as Grandma Night 1, dead to rights.

Now that the phase has rolled over and he *didn't* die, he's asking me to be his mouthpiece so he can stay anonymous in case we go to N3. He got a red check on Oricorio last night.

This goes without saying, but if you're the real seer, now would be a good time to speak up.

[BlackDragonSlayer]

Regarding the potentially pressing issue of "could this be our final lynch?" If we hit a human or grandma, three people will end up dying by D3 (assuming that Grandma was hit N1 and the wolf doesn't hit Frosty), leaving three people remaining for the D3 lynch. As Oricorio brought up before, vote manipulation stuff could mean we don't even get to that lynch.

I think it may be worthwhile for both specials to claim—especially in regards to Rudolph's seering results. If Rudolph didn't seer Math and/or Toby, then we know two people's colors (or, at least, what their colors appear to be). The more information we have to work with, the better. Thoughts? I feel like we should get general feedback before proceeding, but if we do, we should go forward with it sooner (hopefully start within the next 12 hours) rather than later.


Ninja'd

Probably a good idea for both specials to claim, yeah.

[Oricorio]

Aw, good guy Grynch letting Toby leave the game early.

Anyway, I've got news to share. I got a PM ~20 secs before the phase end from someone who claimed to be the seer, and said he trusted me and wanted to pass info along in case he died in the night. He said he seered Davy as Grandma Night 1, dead to rights.

Now that the phase has rolled over and he *didn't* die, he's asking me to be his mouthpiece so he can stay anonymous in case we go to N3. He got a red check on Oricorio last night.

This goes without saying, but if you're the real seer, now would be a good time to speak up.

Assuming this is true, I guess I'm the Miller then. Not a good position for me to be in, to say the least, but everyone should keep in mind that this is likely the last chance we're gonna get. Also, if that is true I was right on davy at least.

Although there is one hole in this story: why did the Seer trust you if they didn't check you?

[BlackDragonSlayer]

Anyway, I've got news to share. I got a PM ~20 secs before the phase end from someone who claimed to be the seer, and said he trusted me and wanted to pass info along in case he died in the night. He said he seered Davy as Grandma Night 1, dead to rights.

Now that the phase has rolled over and he *didn't* die, he's asking me to be his mouthpiece so he can stay anonymous in case we go to N3. He got a red check on Oricorio last night.

Good to know I (probably) shouldn't have switched away from my suspicion of Davy as Grandma—but also good to know that my idea of "if Davy isn't the Grinch, it's probably Oricorio" may have merit to it.

ALSO, worth noting is that personally I feel that both specials should claim publicly just in case TZP is the Grinch who seered Toby blue N1 and wolfed him, and possibly also hit Santa with his power.

[TheZeldaPianist275]

Although there is one hole in this story: why did the Seer trust you if they didn't check you?

The only player the seer had checked at that point was Grandma. I'd imagine he was afraid that the Grynch had seered him and wanted to make sure he passed along his knowledge in case he died in the night, and felt that an unconfirmed instinct was a better gamble than possibly dying without telling anyone.

I don't think BDS's idea is a bad one. I will leave it up to the seer whether he wants to divulge his identity--and I'm not Santa either lol.

[TheZeldaPianist275]

It's very important that we get everyone on the same page early on in this phase so we can coordinate an intelligent vote. Even if you're not comfortable claiming blue/notblue yet, please at least post your thoughts on BDS' suggestion as soon as possible!

[Oricorio]

It's very important that we get everyone on the same page early on in this phase so we can coordinate an intelligent vote. Even if you're not comfortable claiming blue/notblue yet, please at least post your thoughts on BDS' suggestion as soon as possible!

Well, we could potentially clear two villagers, and it's not like we'll likely be getting a third lynch anyway, so the risk is relatively low. The one problem is if Toby (or math, but if he's a PR I'll have a few words for him postgame) is a PR, in which case they can't CC a fakeclaimer.