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I mean thats my opinion on it you don't have to respond to that

why would should I call attention to your obvious reaction test/ploy to sway the wolves from realising math as the CO

haven't you placed your vote and went to sleep like 6 hours before every day phase. and I have no idea when N1P2 pops in and out but it hasn't been frequent lol

it also could be lynch of lose now with the wolves having used 6 abilities to help them find the CO in a 7 human game. I wolves likely know who the CO is after tonight

ok next time I'll just vote who I think is most sus despite natural instinct telling me that person is most likely to be a confirmed human

me popping into the thread like

why would you die over the confirmed human

what don't you like about it

[THC]

These are two bizarro posts back-to-back. Toby remembers that Oricorio has a green seering on him but intentionally interprets it in the least charitable way possible. Math drops in and votes for the player most trusted by the alliance leader despite not clearly preferring him over THC and Oricorio, the other players he's claimed to suspect. That feels like an artificial push toward Oricorio, and an artificial push away from Oricorio. Why? 15 mins left in phase, if you guys are here I'd like to hear something about this.

Safety on THC

I didn't think I needed to respond to this but since you raised it I will

I also didn't want to respond to it until day as I didn't want to reveal anything to the wolves

but for me it felt between Oricorio or math guy out of Oricorio/Math/TZP. And with the alliance voting Oricorio and basically not even looking at math guy day 2, I felt they must know something I don't in regards to why Oricorio over math - despite Oricorio even having a green seering. Because of the wolves having a seer, and a redirection to help them figure out the Chosen One, as well as having a redirection and master wolf to appear green, it was still likely Oricorio could be a wolf, be that master wolf or red wolf.

TZP had been obvious about PMing N1P2 and so has BDS which I think if they were the CO they wouldn't be vocal about it. Math on the other hand has stayed quiet so I figured it's a likely possibility math is the CO and didn't want to vote that way when N1P2 went Oricorio.

I'm thinking that since we are on day 3 and it could be lynch or lose is it worth revealing the Chosen One to narrow down our process of elimination? By this point wolves have had 3 seers and 3 redirects to figure out who the Chosen one is so it's likely they have it figured out by now. I feel like to not reveal who the Chosen One is would only keep the other humans in the dark?

Why is this conversation feeling orchestrated

Judging from Oricorio's last posts I'm wondering if he was human after all, it seemed very genuine

I just remembered Oricorio literally has a green steering !

I mean could still be master wolf or even redirection so it's possible that Oricorio isn't even green and or the seer got redirected to a green player

It's annoying there aren't any cardflips so we knew if Specs was red or green at least to try match up the pair

[Oricorio]

So I'm trying to look within Oricorio/TZP/Math today as I want to trust at least today that N1P2 hasn't let BDS pull the wool over their eyes this whole time. And if there was any doubts on BDS then N1P2 would have spotted it

I'm also doing this on my phone as I'm away from home at moment so it's not the best formatted and putting in quotes is awkward so I've just spoke generally based on re reading

Oricorio

Oricorio you're putting a lot of emphasis on the POE being me/math/TZP - but that's your POE. And you would be included in mine as would you be in everyone else's.

What does stick out to me is how hard you were calling everything Waluigi was doing mistakes when I'm starting to question whether anything they did was a mistake at this point, it seems too obvious to claim they had a blue result when 1) human seer can't see blue and 2) BDS had also highlighted it.

I think if the blue steering was a blunder then likely one of the wolves must have been chaotic enough to run away with their own plan without discussing it with the other. I could see Oricorio being bitter and maybe trying to distance himself from Waluigi after making an obvious mistake.

The Waluigi claiming that they were THC - was this a mistake ? Or a temporary ruse/distraction? It was likely THC would be revived so their claim would be called bluff eventually - but who else would they counterclaim as? We largely all immediately saw Waluigi as suspicious so if they claimed to be a living player that could be a death sentence. And the counter claim could temporarily hold off the alliance. Although it was inevitable that THC would be revived and the alliance would form anyway. Oricorio critiquing this move could be a way of trying to discredit what the alliance wolves are doing and separate himself from that. Especially since I'm not seeing the Waluigi claiming to be THC as big of a mistake as has been said.

I also think Oricorio has intentionally tried to play more reserved this game to try slip by. There was a comment before that he's maybe playing more considerate for NSM TWG by being less aggressive but I don't see that at all. If it was a quieter play style because of consideration I'd expect him to also be considerate in his word choice and avoid mafia specific terms.

I also think the Waluigi messages have been trying to mimic other posting styles but I don't see a trace of Oricorio there. I think if someone was trying to mimic Oricorio they would try stick in a mafia term like 'scum' but there isn't. I think this is another way Waluigi and Oricorio are trying to distance from eachother.

Human points for Oricorio would be how deep he's dived in lately to everyone's posts, but I can't help to feel he's only doing it since he's now being looked at. He also seems to be leaning strong town on me which I think is interesting given I'm in the pool of consideration for today - I would think he would have liked to keep everyone as an option since he's also within pool of consideration

TZP

TZP has been largely quiet this game which is a little alarming. However I want to believe this isn't a play style choice as from the start of this game we have been looking closely at quieter players so to play quiet on purpose would be putting a target on his back.

Notable from TZP is going head on to lynch Specs, in which math guy followed suits. The obvious teaming against Specs there would separate them as a wolf pairing for me as it would be too obvious. I also think going guns ho early doors is a big risk for a wolf, and math guy backing him up on it leads me to believe it was a legitimate push.

TZP then thought it was odd how much traction the Specs lynch gained having being the one who started it. I do find this odd but I'm also not sure why he would question his own lynch push as a wolf. If he'd just falsely accused his irl friend and successfully lynched him I'm not sure if he'd want to draw further attention to it, or to the fact he wasn't all that confident in it.

TZP has also been PMing N1P2 on the side and been open about it. I'm not sure if this could be a way of trying to infiltrate the alliance and get information out ? If it was I'm not sure if he'd be so open about it in topic

N1P2 also hasn't seemed to wolf read TZP yet so I'm going to hold off on going in that direction

math guy

Math guy as well has been very quiet which has been disappointing given I swayed Specs over him, thinking his activity may pick up and we'd have more to read.

I'm looking back at Lantern Holders and comparing his game here to that. Notably in Lantern Holders he started the game offering good insights and then activity dwindled as the game went on and he may start to be subjected. There's been a somewhat similar approach this game with him giving some observations, opinion on the plan I setup, offering a suspicion list day 1,  but there haven't been much posts since.

Notably today from him he's being reading me strongly human fast that I can't help but shake as being odd?? Wolves need to remember to have a balance of reading players both wolves and human as to not look sus for reading everyone as wolves, so I'm not sure if he's just grabbed at an opportunity to read me as human ?? I'm not sure it feels unnatural how strong he was so sudden.

I also think math guy is likely to have not noticed the human seers players blue just from being newish to TWG so maybe not picking up on all the details. TZP has also given him big credit on being smart so it's likely within his remit to forge some PMs.

I think for pairing mathguy/Specs doesn't make sense given math guys follow up vote to Specs. If I wanted to cut my losses on Specs being a wolf I would vote math. But because I think Spec's slips were wolf slips I'd like to remain confident that we should be looking for Spec' partner.

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For a suspicion list in order I'd go with

Wolf
Oricario
Math
TZP
BDS
THC
N1P2
Toby
Human

With swaying between math or Oricorio for the top spot

That's how I'm feeling at the moment not wanting to consider BDS or THC too hard at the moment

I'm going to place my vote on Oricorio for now but I couldn't be swayed either way

At work, so only enough time to respond to this. I would make sure I knew how the seer role works before making any posts like that. I may be a wildcard, but I also always triple-check things before I do anything. Both in-game and irl.

Triple checking before you do anything?
That didn't seem like the thought process of someone who, in a previous game, as a human false counter claimed the Seer role with a red seering on another human player! Lol

Well the use of proper grammar and periods at the end of sentences could be THC, Specs, BDS

Well apparently I've done that quite a lot recently

It looks like whoever is speaking from the Waluigi is intending to mimick other posting styles

If they hadn't called me red it would have been less obvious they tried to mimick me. Or were they trying to mimick me the whole time ? The other PMs sounded quite abrasive and grammatical so I don't think so. Unless it's 2 people sending the PMs trying to mimick other people each time?