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I don't use backwards logic, that's your department. I wouldn't wolf Fox, I'd have left him alive and let you two fight it out. You knew you'd lose against Fox if it came down to this (especially considering that we have more against you than there is against me) so you got rid of him to give yourself a chance. And in all of this, you've only been trying to prove you aren't a wolf. You haven't provided one piece of evidence pointing to me being a wolf, instead just relying on 'If not me, then Bowser."

Are you done now?

Not really, the idea of lynching you is not unfounded. And odds are good that Fox would've preferred to lynch you if it came down to it.

Of course Fox would've beat you, since I made no secret in the fact that people can't follow your logic, but they can follow Fox's. However makes the better argument wins.

Luigi, you need to make a decision. We're just going to go on like this until the end of the phase, and I don't have the luxury of being able to do that.

tl;dr

Link's a wolf; he's had inconsistent behavior throughout the game, without helping the human team; he's been trying to argue semantics with me to try and save face. His defense relies on him not being a wolf because he wanted to lynch Fox, who was wolfed. I'm saying that he wolfed him because he knew if it came down to him and Fox, Fox would probably win.

3. Fair enough, but Samus was a human. Why do you still insist on saying otherwise.

5. which still doesn't change the fact that wolves would still vote off their own to make sure they appear human.
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1a. Not really since he pulled the stunt earlier. Also, stop debating theoretical scenarios.
1b. You also have to consider that he didn't even need to do it. His doing so was to narrow down suspects depending on how the wolfing went. It was an equal chance to backfire had their been no wolfing.
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Yes, Fox was you primary suspicion, as you keep saying over and over. You doubted Luigi could be the wolf following the Pikachu lynch, why? The only thing that would go against him at this point is the sudden burst of activity so late in the game, after an otherwise inactive performance. How would it have been out of place to vote for one of us if that's the point of the game? Fox would have every reason to vote for you, and as you said, you can't prove anybody else would be a wolf, so you wolfed him to at least get a fighting chance.

Even if Fox hadn't posted the screenshots, I wouldn't have been able to go after either of you without appearing extremely wolfish.

Go figure.

Also: this is what our duel reminds me of.

Please don't compare me to that bloated pig-man. I'm burly, not fat.

3. I never said it was crazy, that an adjective you decided to use. And you did it repeatedly because you needed to prove something for your own sake, since you essentially had to pick up the slack for the whole wolf team.

5. His initial accusations were really random and seemed to want to drive suspicion early in the game towards other players.
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1a. That's exactly the reason he would have to be offline, so that way he could prove he's innocent.
1b. It's a pretty safe assumption that people wouldn't have screen shot his profile since that most people don't even think about screen shooting time stamps of when players are active. The only player to do that in this game was Fox himself.

2. No, it wouldn't have made since for me to vote for Pikachu. Which is why I was going to vote for Luigi.
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It would've given you Luigi and myself to accuse, and since I was already against Luigi half of your argument was already made. Fox's screen shots, however, prevented you from doing so, instead forcing you to try and prove I'm a wolf.

3. Never said you acted "crazily suspicious", just a few things didn't add up for me.

5. Sure they can. It's not unusual for a wolf to lead the lynch against another wolf, especially one, such as Falcon, who basically put his foot in his mouth from the start.
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1. Not necessarily, it would've also appeared like he just didn't want to be lynched wrongly. It actually narrows down the playing field for this final lynch.

2. Repeat your point, because I must've missed it.
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Of course you would say that Fox was a wolf. You had been saying that all game. It was really you biggest characteristic throughout the game. Plus I was replying to the second half of your comment, not the first.

3. These "distinctly wolf-like traits", that you say I claimed are what you did throughout the game. You didn't just start throwing your hands up saying "Look at me!", it was a process that evolved over the course in the game, manifesting here.

5. Yes, but practically everybody else claimed something about it that they didn't like while voting for him. You just said "If not Wlauigi, then DK"
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1. But why would he clear the easy option? What you're saying makes no sense if we assumed him to be a wolf at the time. You've been arguing that there are easier options to take as a wolf at this point, so why would Fox make it harder for himself?

2. I was referring to how Fox's actions may have been wolf-like, but how he did it doesn't make sense if he was a wolf. In addition to the fact that he was vindicated through his death.
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I did say that earlier, because I think lynching inactives amounts to an excuse not to think. By this point, however, the evidence was pointing to an inactive player. Now it points to you. And I always thought you were more suspicious than Fox, but there were other players who, at the time, seemed more suspicious.

3. It's not unheard of for a wolf to behave in such a way as to make it seem like he's human, since people generally assume "a wolf would never do that".

5. His defense was poor, and people started voting for him. You followed suit to seem human.
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1. That's the thing, I had no reason to suspect Fox at that point, plus why would he go out of his way to also save Luigi if he was a wolf?

2. What are you referring to. I never said that about you.
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Not really, I was already suspicious of Luigi.

1. Yes.

2. Well I believe it's painfully clear that she was a human.

3. No it doesn't. You replied "as does many things" and left it at that. You basically implied that you agreed that you did suspicious things.

5. You didn't say that though. You voted for him after his defense was posted and said "because I don't think Falcon was a wolf" and left it at that.
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1. I didn't need to say anything. Those screen shots only served to absolved Luigi, which meant that it left you in the end.

2. I was talking about what Fox did.
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Yes, but if you left him alive you'd have to prove to me or Luigi that he was a wolf. You've never convinced me of anything all game.

Did you expect him to not put up a fight?

1. So these screen shots have left us pointing fingers at each other.

2. Yes, but you had made a decision before she even started doing anything of notice.

3. My point still stands.

5. And because of this the smart thing to have done is to vote for him to save face.

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1. True, but they didn't bother me.

2. Wolf-like, maybe, but a rather effective move at that point. The fact that he was vindicated speaks volumes about his intentions.

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I believe we are arguing the same thing at this point.


If you can prove the evidence is wrong, then you have no need to about argue them; which is what you tried to do.

1. Which is not the case, since you are clearly accusing me. You probably wolfed Fox to better frame Luigi, and lynching him would've been easy.

2. Biased because you made your decision and refused to consider alternatives before finally saying "Yes, she was a wolf."

3. The fact that you are suspicious now is because of what happened after that fact. At the time you were fine, but as the game dragged on you kept saying things to make you seem suspicious.

4. Again, it's your conclusions.

5a. Yeah, he did. And yet...
5b. And you voted for him well after he had a number of votes against him. It's not uncommon for wolves to lynch their partners to look human.

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1. You responded to them because you needed to discredit them before they buried you.

2. Hindsight is 20/20. I didn't respond because had nothing to worry about, those screen shots only proved Luigi's innocence in the long run.

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1. In the long run, it didn't matter if either Pikachu or Luigi died. What I'm saying is at the time I didn't know that, and as such my missed vote proved to be ultimately pointless, because if either Pikachu or Luigi was lynched, we still would've ended up here.

2. Because it would've been an insta and ended the phase sooner? Because if it wasn't Pikachu, then the last wolf would've been Luigi, as was the consensus between you, Fox, and myself at the time.

3. Right, I forgot they revised those rules.

AND another thing!!

"Tripped up" would be to not have an argument against the screenshots. Because I was suspicious of TWG Fox, I thought that that might be a wolfish action (albeit risky for a late-game action) to try and push any suspicion away from himself.

You wouldn't need to argue about them if you could disprove them. And why wouldn't he have tried to push suspicion away from himself, in fact his screen shots actually helped us more than anything else.

1. Not necessarily. It'd be rather easy to have it done then to point fingers at someone claiming "I was framed."

2. We don't know if you always argue during games. And at any rate most of your arguments were biased. Just because nobody believes you doesn't mean you're right.

3. No it wouldn't, it would actually put you in the middle of the pack.

4. I'm not saying thinking makes you a wolf, I'm saying the conclusions you reached, and how, does.

5. You could, but I actually made an argument against him. You just voted for him after it looked as if he was going to be lynched.

The thing is, you did trip over the screen shots. You tried to disprove them almost immediately after he posted them. It would make sense for you to want to discredit Fox before he died as it would at least give you a stronger chance in the final vote.

If I had voted it would've been for Luigi, leading to an insta. I had no intention of voting for Pikachu, I made that perfectly clear. If I were the last wolf, it wouldn't have mattered who I voted for because it would've lead here. Why would I give myself a phantom and take that extra vote against me on purpose?

You said the argument made you look suspicious. I never did. I said it helped you to appear human. So no, I didn't contradict myself.

The Merits of Lynching Link:

1. He argues that just because he wanted to lynch Fox means that it would be beyond reproach to wolf him as such. Under the guise of humanity, it would make sense for you to want to lynch another player, and to not have an idea of who you'd want to lynch at this point would only lead to your own. As people would see this as waiting for someone to place a vote and bandwagon.

2. He argued with just about anybody over minor details without actually trying to outright prove a point. His arguments weren't even all that helpful, as they went around in circles while the other players moved on and chose to focus on other matters. He also tried to prove that Samus, who even in hindsight was clearly a human, was a wolf in an attempt to throw us off.

3. He points out that his argument with Falcon was suicidal. I don't see how it was suicidal because a few other players already started to argue against him. Jumping on the bandwagon would've only helped you appear human.

4. His defense revolves around the fact that "his arguments are correct in his head", yet they don't. He makes leaps in logic and refused to objectively look at players who he deemed "suspicious." Namely Samus, who lynch was admittedly a misstep for us, but the entire time, and throughout the rest of the game, he kept trying to prove she was a wolf, in spite of everybody else believing that she was a human.

4. His partners were most likely Falcon and DK. He avoided voting for Falcon day one, and while he did vote for DK, it was clear that he was the most suspicious person at the time, and so as to not avoid blowing his humanity voted for him when the going got tough.

The Humanity of Bowser:

1. If I were a wolf and wanted to succeed with this lynch, it would've made far more sense to wolf you, Luigi. Fox and Link would've turned on each other in an instant and I would just need to vote to win. Link had a few options: 1. to not wolf somebody and just steer the chaos that it would spread. 2. to wolf me, then convince Fox that it was Luigi. 3. to wolf you, and convince me that it was Fox. 4. to wolf Fox and try to convince either me or you that the other person did it, which he's doing. Fox posting those screenshots however forced him to try and argue against me.

2. My arguments against Link are assuming he's a bumbling zombie, because either he wasn't paying attention while making the wolfings, or he's an absolute genius and planned out every step of the game. Based on his arguing skills, I'm assuming it's closer to the former.

3. I also say that Link made the wolfings because as we've seen, DK wasn't probably active enough to do so, and his other partner, Falcon, died day one.

4. I forgot to vote Day four, but I was going to vote for Luigi. I had made that perfectly clear. However at some point I had thought I had placed by vote but apparently did not. Regardless, this would've resulted in a KitB that would've only brought us here anyway. If I were a wolf why would I not vote, or if I wanted you to live then why not just vote for Pikachu, or anybody else for that matter.

5. Of course I wouldn't want to draw suspicion to myself. No player would ever want to do that. It's hard enough to stop being suspicious in most games, why on Earth would I willingly do something to make myself suspicious. Also, I did contribute a bit at the start, not as much as I did now but I mainly stayed in the chat room. It wasn't until the DK lynch that I felt I should speak up.

I have been nothing but candid and open throughout the whole game. There were times where I didn't agree with players but I at least sought out to talk to them and have them explain their side of the argument. When people asked me where my thoughts and suspicions lied I told them. Link, on the other hand, kept his suspicions to himself and when I did prod them about it, he gave four conflicting lists of wolf partners.