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#16
The Werewolf Game / Re: TWG CI: Hydradoodle
March 16, 2018, 11:02:49 PM
Summary because information can get easily lost in text wall back and forths. Red = big tell, orange = moderate tell.

Reasons against samus:
-Although Samus did a very good job of distancing from Waluigi, Waluigi did not. Despite Samus' multiple attacks on Waluigi, he did not respond to a single one of them or publically interact with samus in anyway.
-During the day 2 lynch, he was applying pressure to a Ness lynch whilst subtly defending waluigi. Waited until the lynch was set in stone before voting.
-Has played this phase very passively, which is unusualy behavior for a human who should immediately know who the wolf is.
-The two samus heads have been constantly playing as a single entity rather than two seperate wolf hunting entities. Even so far as too defend the logic of the other head.

Reasons against us, with a response:
-Pikachu has been defending Waluigi all game.
       +One of us has, the other has not.  You know how Waluigi has been avoiding interacting with Samus, that's what someone who doesn't know how to distance does. They don't create
         painfully obvious partnerships.
-Pikachu contradicted himself about differentiating heads.
       +Well, as my other head pointed out, there wasn't anything wolfy about that in the first place? Second, the contradiction is two seperate heads posting seperate opinions.
-Pikachu started the Waluigi bandwagon to look more human.
       +This would of just been a dumb idea considering how possible a Ness lynch was (snice no one thought about green check counter claims, apperantly?)

I think that's everything?
#17
The Werewolf Game / Re: TWG CI: Hydradoodle
March 16, 2018, 10:40:06 PM
Well for one, I never changed my suspicion until ness claimed wah was red. You seem to forget that if Ness wasn't the seer, there was a green check that could also counter claim. That would of meant both of them were the only two dead players, and the likelyhood of that is what made me change my suspicion. My partner was already on board with a wah lynch since d1, so it went through pretty easily.

Also that is a really dumb wolf plan you seem to be accusing me of? Getting my partner lynched in a LYLO phase to so I can use it as evidence to dig myself out of the bad situation I put myself in d3 by lynching him in the first place?

If I was a wolf, I would of known Ness was the real seer and could of taken advantage of everyone's ambivalance to try and get ness lynched. This would been very doable, given how everyone else was publically walking the line.

QuoteIn response to the above post:I mean, yeah, that is what we instantly thought. But with Luigi dropping a lot of information all at once there was a lot we needed to recontextualize and put together based on the new information we had. That's what you see above.

There's not much to recontextualize. It's nothing more than you being needlessly cautious to try and look human. He's confirmed human, I'm human, that means he's wolf - there's absolutely no reason for a human to play passive at that point.

Also you defending purple samus here instead of waiting for him to answer is awfully scummy.

"Hey, dude, I want to recontexualize this stuff before saying anything."
"Yeah me too dude"
"Alright, we'll make a post about how we want to read the thread before mentioning pikas name."

That's not the kind of post your partner would tell you their reasoning for making.
#18
The Werewolf Game / Re: TWG CI: Hydradoodle
March 16, 2018, 10:32:27 PM
Alright, post time. For reference, it was the other head who was defending waluigi in phase 1. I'm the one who posted the list of 4 possible outcomes for Ness' humanity. It's probably been said before, but lemme just put out my argument so nothing is missed and because that's how I do this.
First of all, Ness getting wolfed confirms his humanity 100%. This means that Waluigi was a wolf, and that haruhi was a poorly played human. Now that luigi is a confirmed human, it's down to either Samus or me as the wolf.
Reasons for Samus:
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Quote from: TWG Samus on March 15, 2018, 10:18:53 AMI'm not convinced Ness is just a seer who is playing badly. Seering Waluigi red is absolutely the safest possible false seering someone could make, aside from seering Luigi green, but no good seer would seer Luigi night 1 after Waluigi's antics and Luigi's...well, non-antics. Secondly, yes it's possible that Ness just forgot to contact me, but that's less possible given that he almost got lynched day 1. In fact, he would have been lynched if that one vote had been properly counted. Whose vote was that again? Right, the human he supposedly had a green check for. Don't you think he would have made some attempt to message me after I voted to say "wait, don't vote for me, I'm the seer and I saw you green, let's talk"? Or even during the night phase to say "you almost got me killed, let's make sure that doesn't happen again." As it stands, Ness is playing things way too close to the chest and way too risky if he really is the seer, which I don't believe he is.

That being said, Waluigi is definitely the safest lynch to go for today, so I'm still completely willing to lynch him first if that's the decision we come to. However, keep Ness at the front of your mind.
Looking through the thread, this is the biggest well-played wolf tell. It goes out of it's way to smear the negative opinion on waluigi, but then goes along with it in the end. Also note that Samus was the last vote for waluigi while we were the first.

Reasons against me us:

QuoteI've been talking it over with my other head, and at this point we really don't have any reason to think that Pikachu isn't the remaining wolf. Here's what we've found:
Tbh this is the softest wolf call-out I've ever seen. Samus has been consistently avoiding direct statements like "X is a wolf and here's why" or "Ness isn't the seer and here's why." This may not mean everything in the long run, but it certainly feels wolf-ish.
Quote- Pikachu emphasized communication between heads right at the start of the game. There's nothing inherently wrong with this, but he then went on to establish that communication between heads is more helpful to wolves and specials than anyone else, while it still "isn't to say it's not something town should try to do or that suggesting everyone try and get in communication is suspicious behavior". His original post seems like a nudge at his wolf partner, disguised as a helpful hint for the humans, while posting conflicting opinions in the next post seems like backpedaling to cover over himself.
I think this is grasping at straws? At this point I had no clue who my partner was as they didn't post until pg 4. I didn't realize that the PM sent to us had the recipients in it. And why is this wolfish? What makes communication between heads so much more helpful for wolves than humans that one or two posts about it trying to sent my other head a hint pegs me as a wolf? I don't get this argument at all.

I think this post makes sense but it probably doesn't. Feel free to poke holes in my logic or something and I'll answer questions as best I can.

Halfway through writing this post I found out my other head was responding as well so we split up the response to Samus



#19
The Werewolf Game / Re: TWG CI: Hydradoodle
March 16, 2018, 09:26:09 PM
Ok, woah, wait a hot second here. Waluigi is a confirmed wolf, yes? Samus:
1. Immediately voted Waluigi after Luigi d1.
2. Insta'd him day 3.

There's some talent behind that account. Anyways, here's what I could get:

1. Despite Samus constantly putting pressure on Waluigi, not once did Waluigi respond or even adress him. All of Waluigi's rage was focused at Luigi. This is pretty strong evidence for partnership, but by no fault of Samus.
2. Since I was the only one this entire game vouching for Waluigi's humanity, when I was the first person to vote him day 2 his lynch was pretty much inevitable. Therefore, the insta doesn't really mean too much.

Quote from: TWG Samus on March 16, 2018, 08:21:25 PMAgreed, no votes until discussion has run its course. I am currently going back through the thread and analyzing posts with the information you just disclosed in mind, and I'll share my thoughts after that.

This is the only thing they ever said that I find suspicous. When luigi said he was the green check, a human Samus should of instantly though "yo, that means Pikachu is a wolf."
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gtg maybe will finish later?
#20
The Werewolf Game / Re: TWG CI: Hydradoodle
March 16, 2018, 09:02:08 PM
^Maroon Pikachu btw
#21
The Werewolf Game / Re: TWG CI: Hydradoodle
March 16, 2018, 09:01:41 PM
Alright, TWG Samus being the green check was really messing with my head because it would of meant Waluigi and Luigi were partners. This means Samus is the wolf, so I suppose my job now is to convince luigi that. Honestly, Samus hasn't done anything too sus so wp, but I'll read through the thread.

Quote from: TWG Luigi on March 16, 2018, 02:23:10 PMSomeone seems awfully paranoid...

In my original post of the night phase, I totally forgot that someone was gonna die. When I realized that, I was about to completely change my line of logic and talking about Ness being confirmed based on whether or not he gets wolfed. Then I realized correcting myself might give senior wolf the idea of framing Ness by leaving him alive, and I really did not want to deal with those kind of mind games. I honestly enjoy the turn of events right now because It's so much simpler.
#22
The Werewolf Game / Re: TWG CI: Hydradoodle
March 16, 2018, 02:16:41 PM
Quote from: TWG Ness on March 15, 2018, 05:39:24 PMIf anything, I think Pikachu is probably the other wolf because you won't stop sticking up for them, saying they're the only ones who are "100% human". Obviously, if that's the case, I'll probably be wolfed tonight and not be able to get a seer result on them, but at least we can get rid of one wolf for now.

Im going to hokd my thoughts till day phase though. I think Ive said too much already.
#23
The Werewolf Game / Re: TWG CI: Hydradoodle
March 16, 2018, 01:03:40 PM
Good point, never considered you + Haruhi. Unless we already hit parity and it's you + Ness.

Regardless, we'll find out tomorrow. If you're the wolf, humans win, because Ness will seer me green. If Ness is the wolf, wolves win, because he'll say I'm red and not much you can do when all the counterclaims died in the first two phases.
#24
The Werewolf Game / Re: TWG CI: Hydradoodle
March 15, 2018, 10:41:54 PM
well shit
either ness is a lone last wolf or we lost
#25
The Werewolf Game / Re: TWG CI: Hydradoodle
March 15, 2018, 08:07:32 PM
Yes, statistically humans are most likely to win this phase and the game will end. If the wolves win, then they got really fucking lucky and there's not much we can do about it.
#26
The Werewolf Game / Re: TWG CI: Hydradoodle
March 15, 2018, 07:01:17 PM
chill
#27
The Werewolf Game / Re: TWG CI: Hydradoodle
March 15, 2018, 06:49:38 PM
If ness is the seer, we win right here. Samus is green, Ness is seer, and there is no way in hell Waluigi and Luigi are partners, which leaves Haruhi as his only possible partner. If Ness correctly guessed that both the green check and seer are dead, then we probably deserve to lose anyways.
#28
The Werewolf Game / Re: TWG CI: Hydradoodle
March 15, 2018, 06:22:35 PM
Talked it over with my other head and we're voting TWG Waluigi. It all comes down to Ness. The only way Ness couldn't be the seer is if Link was the seer and Haruhi was the green check and Link told the wrong person on the first phase. I just can't see it any other way. We've voting for Wah and that's not going to change.
#29
The Werewolf Game / Re: TWG CI: Hydradoodle
March 15, 2018, 05:55:06 AM
Other Pika here
Damn it Ness you had one job.
All options here:
The most likely:
1) Ness is the seer and he was stupid
2) Ness is a wolf who got lucky because the real seer is dead
Less likely:
3) The real seer isn't counter-claiming, but they'd have to be pretty stupid not to as this is a free shot at a wolf.
Unlikely:
4) The real seer is feeding Ness information because he was the green check. However, if this was the case, samus would be jumping to back Ness up.

Thoughts? None of these are nice options, but I may be leaning towards 1
#30
The Werewolf Game / Re: TWG CI: Hydradoodle
March 14, 2018, 09:55:56 PM
I hope you guys remember what Charu said last game. Once samus confirms, we're lynching Waluigi unless someone counterclaims.