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Yeah, if that actually happened it would be called bastardry and I'm a bit weirded out that you brought that up

@Xiao fyi I don't think Oricorio is calling you a bastard or anything of the sort. He seems to come from a more mafia style forum rather than werewolf game and mafia uses vulgar language such as bastard or scum as meanings for other things.

I've never been clear on what bastard actually means in mafia terms though

Also @Oricorio Xiao has never hosted and I believe only played his first twg when the games were revived a few months ago - so I don't think he's questioning integrity of the host, just hasn't had experience hosting or how roles are generally selected. I've actually heard the suggestion that hosts might choose a players role for them multiple times, so apparently it's quite a common to think among newer players and not everyone realises it's all literally random

Some thoughts on Xiao and math guy

mathguy
Believes Waluigi wolf slipped, but didnt want to read into BDS calling it out - I thought it was an interesting point not to want to read into BDS calling it out. I thought it was an interesting catch and leaned human on BDS for it
Supported SL lamb claim so CO could claim to them - but did so after the SL had already claimed so kind of null
Was for THC being revived tonight to also help prove SL claim. Said THC was a confirmed human which I'm not sure if we can guarantee though. No word of possibility THC could be a wolf. - maybe calling THC a confirmed human is too obvious to do if math is a wolf ? More likely might just be an oversight on human part

Xiao

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I think this is an odd opener and not one Xiao has ever done before. It's like he wants to post but was afraid of what to say.
-felt like my plan 'costed too many humans' I didn't follow? But I think Specs and BDS had same reservations so they can't all be wolves. But maybe he was just piggy backing on their resistance so the plan wouldn't go ahead and we find out which TWG account is the CO.
-wasn't for reviving THC right now. If Xiao is a wolf this would suggest to me that THC probably isn't a wolf. I think not reviving our night 1 target can be quite damaging for the humans so I'm not sure if wolf Xiao would be so openly against it

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Some separate thoughts on reviving THC:
The thing is if we don't revive THC and want to wait for another night kill, n1p2 is probably going to be killed n2, so another night kill won't happen until n3, which means can't be revived n4. N4 could be passed the lynch or lose point so we should revive by night 3. It could be possible THC is a wolf, so it might be an idea to hold our revive until night 3 and see if the night 2 kill feels like a better option? Or we can at least discuss our options come day 2. I don't think not having an extra human day 2 is that damaging as humans still have a lot of numbers. I also think it's likely that n1p2 will be wolfed tonight so THC might still be the only option for revival come night 3.

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Between math and Xiao I'm not sure. If both are going to be quiet I'd rather lunch one to help process of elimination for later game. Xiao is usually more active so could post more later but then it's odd for him to be quiet, and with the first opener of the game it felt like he had resistance with posting and unsure what to say rather than it come natural

Specs/TZP are you both and math guy conversations in PMs? Is math guy contributing more in pms than in topic ? He's only posted 5 times so far this game in topic but believe he contributed in pm more when he was a wolf

i mean im not gonna not say a plan just because it's late in the phase. I didn't know if I'd be wolfed and I didn't want to die with that

Toby, the plan was originally yours, although I went ahead and PM'd N1P2 suggesting he ask for CO claims, since Waluigi has more or less been confirmed as the fraud alt. Luigi could then prove the COs identity. With Waluigi out the equation, it became much easier to prove the COs identity.

When you later suggested everyone claim to N1P2, thats when I said "I'll bite on Tobys plan" to N1P2.

Did I not already say they should in topic?

Going by previous games I'd be happy to lynch any quieter players to get them out the way

right now I'm looking at Xaio or math guy. Xiao is usually more talkative so this is odd from him. Math guy I'm sure was only more talkative when he was a wolf, but I'm sure I called him out on that so could be a choice to resist himself

It is possible that THC is Luigi, as dead players can still post in the anonymous account and he still would have presumably gotten the seer results. I feel Luigi should tell the game if THC is truly their identity, but otherwise they should stay hidden to the thread at large.

If THC is luigi he should only reveal that to n1p2 not the topic. The wolves can redirect the chosen one even if dead so if that's revealed then none of the seering results will be reliable

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- Toby: His insistence on getting the Sacrificial Lamb to claim with only a few hours left N1 was a bit strange. If it was a genuine push, it feels like it should've happened sooner—and if the thought just didn't cross his mind until then, it would've helped to mention that as well. Overall it felt like it was more to gain human credits but suggesting an idea which had little chance of coming to fruition under the circumstances, rather than actually trying to help the human team. His pushback over my suggestion that I'm either the miller or was seered by the wolves (which would explain why I wasn't the N1 wolfing) feels like distraction rather than a genuine push. The only issue with Toby being a wolf is that I don't think the Waluigi slip-up would've happened with Toby on the wolf team. Unless his partner just completely jumped the gun of their own volition (which, again, I'm not sure would've happened on Toby's watch), a wolf team with Toby on it would've likely had their plan to reveal their seering results laid out ahead of time. At the very least, I don't think Toby would've approved his partner of having free reign on Waluigi without checking in with Toby first. And I don't think Toby would've made the slip up himself.

I mean in my defence there was still 6 hours left in the phase when I posted my plan, which was 25% of the phase remaining. I didn't pay too much attention to the setup as I originally didn't see a way for alliance at signups but when I looked at the game the next day I posted my plan at irl 12pm which still had loads of time until the phase ended.

If it was as easy a plan to spot and say sooner then anyone else could have posted it sooner, and I do think 6 hours was still plenty of time but it was met with immediate resistance from yourself and specs when I posted it, causing it to not really go ahead until day.

I have an interesting note.

Perhaps I'm overthinking things and this isnt the right direction, you all tell me.

I PM BDS to soft claim, especially after slight conversation begins to arise about N1 actions like claiming SL, etc...
We decide to wait until something happens (thus TWG Waluigi came forward and davy responded)

I claim SL publicly.

I get a PM from Specs suggesting that i ask for the CO to privately claim to me, to which i can work with them to prove their access to the alt account. Then if i talk publicly after that, is up to me.
I think its a fair idea, and was beginning to think the same way anyway.

I post suggesting just this, but without full detail of the plan using the CO to prove the TWG account.

Then Toby jumps on board with believing me, once almost everyone said they werent SL, only to say the same thing (which hadnt been mentioned publicly yet?), in regards to finding the alt account.
Specs agrees, now we are boarding the train that is this idea.


The first two PM's i get to claim roles are Toby, claiming human, and Specs, claiming green. Specs, specifically saying in PM "i'll bite on Toby's plan." While i thought, wasnt this along the lines of your plan to me before i posted?... albeit, i dont think i needed the rest of the town to claim to me, i just need CO, but thats different.

My question is unless they had been PM'ing, how did they just nearly have the same plan and each post about it with the confidence that they would so easily believe me?

Theres a lot of layers to TWG, i get it, but big brain plays are out of my realm haha. Targeting a returning player like THC seems legit. Targeting a seer on BDS as a returning player sounds very plausible. ( i don't want to get in a conversation of who has "more" game experience, I'm just observing)

What can we make from this? Unless coincidental and I'm gearing caught up in it? (Also, yes its a great plan that anyone could have thought of, but the fact that no one else did before them two and the coincidence that they messaged first is interesting. Thats what im looking at)

It was me who suggested the CO claim though so that they can find the TWG seer account that is the human seer?

Something we could consider is the sacrificial lamb claiming and then asking the chosen one to claim to them. The sacrificial lamb could then tell us if either twg Luigi or twg waluigi are the human seer without the risk of revealing the chosen one.

Because the sacraficial lamb can still use their power even when dead Im not seeing much of a down side to this. It just means they're guaranteed to be wolfed next but someone has to be wolfed, and in exchange we have an untouchable human seer for the rest of the game.

So I guess that's what Specs means by my plan since I suggested it? And then when everyone had confirmed they weren't the Sacrificial lamb (not nearly everyone, it was everyone), I suggested we all PM you our roles to help you trust the Chosen One quicker and to rule out counter claims. The only way the plan fails is if the sacrificial lamb was THC, but this can be verified so it would ensure you die at the next lynch. which isn't worth the gambit for wolves i dont think

Also I'd advise not revealing who claimed what, even if human

I just don't see the manti rule having applied to BDS or be likely to apply to BDS over other veterans in this game such as TZP or myself

And a lot of the newer players also showed to have good grip on the game that I wouldnt say the gap is too far apart between anyone

This is a weird discussion (potentially a distraction), but I'm curious as well.

Nothing Special: Wolfed N1
Numbers Game: Hosted
Assassins Gambit: Survived late into the game.
Lantern Keeper: Wolfed N2
TTT: Survived late into the game.

So kinda I guess?

We have money: Wolfed N6
CXII: survives to end game as human
Hitler CXI: is a wolf
CX: is a wolf
CIX Shattered: idk but isnt wolfed night 1 and claims special when nearly lynched on day apparently

Am I missing something I've only seen you wolfed night 1 once in the last 10 games?

This is reading more as a misunderstanding than a wolf tell at this point

Why would you be wolfed first over anyone else? Thats not been a precedent set in any of the previous games

I just think it's odd to be publicly assuming the wolves seered you based on nothing

Unless you think you slipped somewhere but then I don't see why you keep drawing attention to the fact you must have been seered since not wolfed

I just asked a question and the only discussion at moment is on who should be revived which can be discussed night 2.

Why

If I'm not the miller, it's incredibly likely that I was seered.

Based on what?

Are you just baselessly throwing out 'I must have been seered' to separate yourself from the wolves?