TWG XCIII: Get in the Fucking BagGame starts on a Day phase. Each Day phase, every player votes for a player to send to Looker for screening. If that player is a bad guy, Looker puts them in the Ultra Wormhole FOREVER (they ded). Otherwise, the player is sent back and nothing happens. At Night, the Bad Guys can try to capture (wolf) one player. At the same time, each player will vote via PM for two players to put in the Bag. Players put in the Bag will not be wolfed at the end of the Night phase, and will be publicly announced at the beginning of the next Day phase. Bagged players also cannot be sent for screening. Wolves start out with 0 Bagging votes, but will gain two votes collectively for each Human they capture. If they capture Lillie, the Bag will only have one open spot on the next Night Phase (this cannot occur two Night Phases in a row; capturing Lillie twice in a row will do nothing). Bagged Pokemon exit the Bag at the start of the next Night phase.
Bad Guys (Wolves):Wolves know each other.
1. Lusamine: Has memory problems and can't remember who Lillie is. She's a President-type human so her screening votes can count for two, but only if she PM's the host stating so each Day phase.
2. Ya Boi Guzma: Every Night phase, he can get Team Skull to check what Pokémon a player is. They're not that smart, so all they can get is the color.
Pokémon:3. Exeggutor: Its neck is so long that it takes up an extra spot in the Bag and the other Pokémon is forced out (at random, if the Bag has three spots). The first time this occurs, the other Pokémon becomes so confused that it cannot be captured that phase.
4. Metapod: Metapod's just here to make the game harder.
5. Toucannon: Angry. Very angry. Angery reacts only.
6. Nebby: Pokémon lose if Nebby is captured.
7. Mimikyu: Mimikyu creates a realm of spoopy scary shadows inside the Bag that it hides the other Pokémon in (chosen at random, if the Bag has an extra spot). This lets the Bag keep both spots if Lillie is captured, but spoops the Pokémon so bad that they refuse to go in the Bag for the rest of the game. Unless it's Nebby, 'cause then the game would break.
8. Dugtrio:
HEYYEYAAEYAAAEYAEYAA9. Popplio: The starter nobody wanted. Capturing Popplio causes Lillie to have an extra spot in her Bag the next Night phase.
Lillie:10. Lillie: Is told who Nebby is. She's a super important character with plot relevance so she's told how many of each color of player are left at the end of each Night phase.
Things that will be announced in the thread:
1. Popplio decided to go back to the "Pending Designs" pile where it belongs. An extra spot opened in the Bag! (Day after Popplio's capture)
2. [player] hid in the Bag's shadows and refuses to GET BACK IN THE FUCKING BAG! (Day after Mimikyu is Bagged)
3. Exeggutor's neck defies explanation! It forced a Pokémon out of the Bag! (Day after Exeggutor is Bagged)
Wolves win when Nebby is captured.
Humans win when both Wolves die.
Nebby wins if it never gets put in the Bag.
Everybody loses if somebody forgets to capitalize the words Bag, Bagging, Bagged, etc.
Role PM's:
Quote from: Dudeman on December 27, 2016, 12:25:24 PMYou are a Pokémon. Try not to get captured.
Quote from: Dudeman on December 27, 2016, 12:25:37 PMYou are Ya Boi Guzma. Lusamine, your partner in crime, is Player.
Quote from: Dudeman on December 27, 2016, 12:25:46 PMYou are Lusamine. Ya Boi Guzma, your partner in crime, is Player.
Quote from: Dudeman on December 27, 2016, 12:26:03 PMYou are Lillie. Nebby, who won't stay in the fucking Bag, is Player.
Quote from: Dudeman on December 27, 2016, 12:41:17 PMYou are Nebby. Stay out of the fucking Bag.
1. davy
2. NocturneOfShadow
3. Maelstrom
4. BlackDragonSlayer
5. TheZeldaPianist275
6. dajwxp
7. Olimar12345
8. Dude
9. FireArrow
10. E. Gadd Industries
Role PM's have been sent. It is now Day 1. Day 1 will end in 48 hours, or approximately 1 PM PST on 12/29/16. Now get in the fucking Bag.
So first things first. Are we going to have Nebby claim or not?
Nebby wins with the pokémon (right, Dudeman?) so him claiming is in his, and the pokémon's best interest so they can put him in the bag.
Alternatively, we can keep Nebby secret, so the wolves won't know who to target even if they have majority, but this puts us at risk of losing the game early on.
I'm in favor of having Nebby claim.
On the road now, probably won't post anything substantial until late tonight or tomorrow morning.
Quote from: davy on December 27, 2016, 01:06:34 PMNebby wins with the pokémon (right, Dudeman?)
Yes. If it stays out of the bag it ultra-wins.
I'm still trying to understand this game. If nebby claims and we bag her every night, I don't really see how we can lose. Also mislynches are impossible?
NONE OF YOU ARE CAPITALIZING BAG WE ALL LOSE!!!!!!
Quote from: FireArrow on December 27, 2016, 02:30:05 PMI'm still trying to understand this game. If nebby claims and we bag her every night, I don't really see how we can lose.
Quote from: Dudeman on December 27, 2016, 12:26:10 PMAt the same time, each player will vote via PM for two players to put in the Bag. Players put in the Bag will not be wolfed at the end of the Night phase, and will be publicly announced at the beginning of the next Day phase. Bagged players also cannot be sent for screening. Wolves start out with 0 Bagging votes, but will gain two votes collectively for each Human they capture.
Eventually, wolves will get enough Bagging votes so that they can put themselves into the bag protecting them from being lynched an enableing them to wolf Nebby.
Which made me realise that even if we keep Nebby secret, we still won't be able to kill the wolves once they get majority, so Nebby should definately claim.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 27, 2016, 02:30:05 PMAlso mislynches are impossible?
Not really, although the consequences of a mislynch are much less harsh. The consequence is that we fail to hit a wolf, giving them another opportunity to wolf a player and giving them more Bagging votes, which in the long run will cause us to lose.
I hope this post makes sense, because I'm really sleepy, so I can imagine it won't.
It makes sense to me.
Perfect, the game's started just in time for me to have forgotten how it works.
I'll actually think a bit later.
i claim exeggutor :D
Someone chat with me and explain this bag mechanic daj halp D:
is there still a chatroom for twg?
a'ight lemme break it down nice 'n simple:
It's Day. You lynch someone today (unless they're not a baddie, then they live).
Then, it's night. You PM me the names of two people you wanna stick in the bag. If they get put in the bag, they won't be wolfed if the wolves tried to wolf them that night. Then you also can't lynch them the next day. Then you do it again the next night.
from what i gather, Bagging = guarding. It's a night phase action, and it's not the same as capturing, which is what the bad guys do when they wolf someone. Then there's the "lynch", or Looker's screening, which will kill bad guys but not kill good guys.
So in summary:
Night Phase: everyone will vote to "bag" (guard) two players.
Night Phase also: wolves do their thing
Day Phase: everyone votes to "screen" (lynch) a player, but they only die if they're a bad guy.
And the catch is that guarded players will be revealed the next morning, and can't be lynched~
Which reminds me that Nebby won't stay in the fucking bag and shouldn't claim, cuz we can't protect Nebby from a night wolfing :p
Shall we all screen davy this day phase? ;)
(ninja'd but hey why not)
Also double post because DUDEMAN DIDNT CAPITALISE THE WORD "BAG" AHAHAHAA get rekt ;)
I'm the host, I make my own rules. I can't lose the game because I am the game.
Quote from: Dudeman on December 27, 2016, 05:24:00 PMI'm the host, I make my own rules. I can't lose the game because I am the game.
rats. :(
~
All that stuff aside, I'd just like to emphasise that if Nebby claims we instantly lose. :p
No, Nebby should not claim haha. The one thing that the other Pokemon can't forget is that Nebby won't stay in the bag, and the wolves should never get a chance to capture it. Nebby should also learn how to stay inside the Bag to prevent its imminent death in the hands of exploitative shites.
(also me is nebby. yeah. y'know.)
Still, Nebby wins with the Pokémon, and so even if Nebby is Bagged, yet the Pokémon win, it doesn't really matter. Nebby still wins. Honestly, to me, that win condition seems like one of those "extra missions" that you redo a level for just to focus on one thing the entire time. A "peripheral" win condition of sorts. So I guess it depends on Nebby's confidence in both themselves and in the Pokémon crew as a whole as to whether they should claim or not.
Also, Ninja'D. Daj, you didn't capitalize Bag.
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on December 27, 2016, 05:31:01 PMStill, Nebby wins with the Pokémon, and so even if Nebby is Bagged, yet the Pokémon win, it doesn't really matter. Nebby still wins. Honestly, to me, that win condition seems like one of those "extra missions" that you redo a level for just to focus on one thing the entire time. A "peripheral" win condition of sorts. So I guess it depends on Nebby's confidence in both themselves and in the Pokémon crew as a whole as to whether they should claim or not.
Except Nebby can't be Bagged (guarded in the night) and once it's captured (wolfed in the night) the game is over. The stakes are pretty high ahaha, I would reaaaally advise against it unless you're me because i'm nebby.
QuoteAlso, Ninja'D. Daj, you didn't capitalize Bag.
well shite.
Forgive me, but where does it say that.
Also, you seem really adamant about getting your point across that you're Nebby. One thing I can't get past, though, is how you were so strongly advising Nebby to stay undercover here:
Quote from: dajwxp on December 27, 2016, 05:29:03 PMAll that stuff aside, I'd just like to emphasise that if Nebby claims we instantly lose. :p
No, Nebby should not claim haha. The one thing that the other Pokemon can't forget is that Nebby won't stay in the bag, and the wolves should never get a chance to capture it. Nebby should also learn how to stay inside the Bag to prevent its imminent death in the hands of exploitative shites.
Highly contradicting, considering you claimed at the bottom of the very same post.
Nebby can be bagged, the "WON'T STAY IN THE FUCKING BAG" is flavor text.
Quote from: Dudeman on December 27, 2016, 05:45:35 PMNebby can be bagged, the "WON'T STAY IN THE FUCKING BAG" is flavor text.
oh.
oops xD
Retract everythingShould have clarified ahaha, my bad. Could the real nebby please claim? ^^
...you're kidding, right?
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on December 27, 2016, 06:43:04 PM...you're kidding, right?
Nope! Was just a colossal screw-up :p
The game does feel a liiiittle skewed against the bad guys though...
As far as I can tell, there is only one reason for Nebby not to claim. More time. If Nebby claims, the wolves have Bag vote majority after 3 captures, giving us just 2 mislynches. If Nebby does not claim, we could theoretically have 6 mislynches, but risk Nebby getting hit at any time.
Thoughts?
I quit
So we're sending Daj to looker today, correct? Do I have to bold his name still?
Clarification: is nebby a third party and is its win independent or mutually exclusive?
If nebby wins independently he should claim so that we can continue to bag nebby. Granted, if the wolves don't know who nebby is they may not ever find him, but we can still just randomly lose if nebby gets hit or seen black at random
After reading more than just the op, it looks like Davy has a good grasp of this game. I like screening Daj over Davy, and I think the real nebby absolutely should claim.
Granted the mechanics and odd keywords make this game unnecessarily complex, which I'm not a fan of, but I think everything I'm saying makes sense.
Quote from: dajwxp on December 27, 2016, 06:56:56 PMNope! Was just a colossal screw-up :p
I'm confused; what's going on here?
Okay, so if it isn't already obvious, Lillie should claim to Nebby and start an alliance, since she knows who that is.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 27, 2016, 11:49:34 PMIs this a real claim?
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on December 27, 2016, 10:04:48 PMI'm confused; what's going on here?
Ah well, this is why you shouldn't mess up in twg haha xD
Lemme defend myself a bit - I read the game thinking that you couldn't Bag (guard) Nebby, and i thought it'd make more sense for Nebby to keep hidden. So I played to attract some attention, because that takes fire off the supposedly-hidden Nebby. But it turns out I was wrong, Nebby can be guarded, and so my whole plan dieded.
If I was a wolf there would be no reason to make a ruckus out of (mis)reading the rules, and I'll come clean - I'm a human. Like, not even Nebby or Lillie. You can seer me but there's no reason to waste a good chance to kill the wolf haha.
Forgive the inexperience haha, now i got the rules and I'll play properly ^^
Quote from: Dudeman on December 27, 2016, 12:26:10 PMWolves cannot be Bagged; attempting to Bag a wolf wastes a Bagging spot.
Was this supposed to still be part of the game or did you mean to remove this?
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 27, 2016, 11:26:55 PMOkay, so if it isn't already obvious, Lillie should claim to Nebby and start an alliance, since she knows who that is.
The idea is, Nebby claims, Lillie claims to Nebby and then Nebby can post the Psychic results.
Chatroom: http://chat.mibbit.com/?channel=%23NSMTWG&server=irc.mibbit.net
Quote from: dajwxp on December 28, 2016, 12:32:49 AMAh well, this is why you shouldn't mess up in twg haha xD
etc.
I'm somewhat suspicious of daj, but then again, I was last game too. Maybe I'm just always suspicious of daj... maybe I might be onto something for once? :P
Also, is there anyone who hasn't posted yet (too tired to go through the thread right now and write down names)? I'd like to hear from everybody as soon as possible so we're not left scrambling right at the end of the phase as is unfortunately all too typical.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on December 28, 2016, 04:16:16 AMAlso, is there anyone who hasn't posted yet (too tired to go through the thread right now and write down names)? I'd like to hear from everybody as soon as possible so we're not left scrambling right at the end of the phase as is unfortunately all too typical.
I think Dude is the only one who hasn't posted yet.
So the big question as of now: who is daj? If he claimed Exeggutor, that would be a wild guess, as the PMs didn't specify which Pokémon you are.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 27, 2016, 11:49:34 PMIs this a real claim?
So for this, if he is, it would be a lucky guess.
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on December 28, 2016, 05:28:56 AMSo the big question as of now: who is daj? If he claimed Exeggutor, that would be a wild guess, as the PMs didn't specify which Pokémon you are.
I'm pretty sure it was a joke claim, seeing how exeggutor is the biggest meme among the pokemon roles.
Oh yeah. That, too. XD
Here are my thoughts, now that I've actually had the chance to think about this:
All but one person has posted. Now, the two wolves know each other. I don't think daj would be a wolf, then, since the other person wouldn't let him screw up that badly. UNLESS daj & Dude are both wolves. Or someone else isn't checking their inbox or daj didn't PM anything to his partner.
Granted, I'm trying to be a bit more involved in the game, but I'm still learning. Which is why I'm never good at these things.
Hi, I'm here but sick :(
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on December 28, 2016, 05:46:29 AMOh yeah. That, too. XD
Here are my thoughts, now that I've actually had the chance to think about this:
All but one person has posted. Now, the two wolves know each other. I don't think daj would be a wolf, then, since the other person wouldn't let him screw up that badly. UNLESS daj & Dude are both wolves. Or someone else isn't checking their inbox or daj didn't PM anything to his partner.
Granted, I'm trying to be a bit more involved in the game, but I'm still learning. Which is why I'm never good at these things.
Wolves don't have much power over what the other says unless they wanna go over every post before they make it or something.
Let's screen Dude
Idk screen Daj
Quote from: FireArrow on December 28, 2016, 11:31:06 AMWolves don't have much power over what the other says unless they wanna go over every post before they make it or something.
Eh, true. That would take a while.
Still struggling to wrap my head around just what is going on. So we physically cannot mislynch, wolves cannot be Bagged, and if Nebby dies we lose?
I agree with basically everything that's been said up till now--if taking out Nebby ends the game, I think we just need her to claim. Since if we screen someone and they survive, they're guaranteed to be human, this leaves us with a human alliance that gets stronger as the phases roll on.
I think a Daj screening is probably best. He doesn't really strike me as wolfy, but that claim retraction was just so weird we should probably make sure.
Ok, so for whatever reason, Nebby hasn't claimed yet. I'd suggest everyone who is not Nebby to post so to force Nebby to claim.
That being said, I am not Nebby.
I'm not quite sure who to screen. I'd like to have a chat later today.
sigh alright i guess you can send me to looker why not
Nebby pls claim so we can scan you <3
Not Nebby
I'm not Nebby, either.
Also, daj
I am not nebby
double post: oh, and sure, lets screen Daj.
I am Nebby
Double post, but I'm always a little too cautious about claiming in any game, as you guys may know from my playstyle. Especially when I'm the person who makes everyone lose when I die.
Chat party right now.
Chat link?
Quote from: davy on December 28, 2016, 01:25:24 AMChatroom: http://chat.mibbit.com/?channel=%23NSMTWG&server=irc.mibbit.net
Quote from: Dudeman on December 27, 2016, 12:26:10 PM6. Nebby: WON'T STAY IN THE FUCKING BAG. Pokémon lose if Nebby is captured.
Dudeman, this still is not clear to me. Does this have anything to do with the game? Can we physically not bag Nebby multiple nights in a row?
god fine I'll take it out of the role description since everyone's been tripped up by it
Daj is not my prefered screening, but I don't think I can convince enough people in this small amount of time to turn the lynch around. My mistake for not thinking about the lynch long enough in advance.
Also, Dudeman, did you mean to remove the line of wolves not being baggable, or did you chose to leave it in?
Quote from: davy on December 29, 2016, 12:47:36 PMAlso, Dudeman, did you mean to remove the line of wolves not being baggable, or did you chose to leave it in?
I, uh...I already removed it. It's kind of important that wolves be able to get Bagged.
TWG XCIII: Get in the Fucking BagGame starts on a Day phase. Each Day phase, every player votes for a player to send to Looker for screening. If that player is a bad guy, Looker puts them in the Ultra Wormhole FOREVER (they ded). Otherwise, the player is sent back and nothing happens. At Night, the Bad Guys can try to capture (wolf) one player. At the same time, each player will vote via PM for two players to put in the Bag. Players put in the Bag will not be wolfed at the end of the Night phase, and will be publicly announced at the beginning of the next Day phase. Bagged players also cannot be sent for screening. Wolves start out with 0 Bagging votes, but will gain two votes collectively for each Human they capture. If they capture Lillie, the Bag will only have one open spot on the next Night Phase (this cannot occur two Night Phases in a row; capturing Lillie twice in a row will do nothing). Bagged Pokemon exit the Bag at the start of the next Night phase.
Bad Guys (Wolves):Wolves know each other.
1. Lusamine: Has memory problems and can't remember who Lillie is. She's a President-type human so her screening votes can count for two, but only if she PM's the host stating so each Day phase.
2. Ya Boi Guzma: Every Night phase, he can get Team Skull to check what Pokémon a player is. They're not that smart, so all they can get is the color.
Pokémon:3. Exeggutor: Its neck is so long that it takes up an extra spot in the Bag and the other Pokémon is forced out (at random, if the Bag has three spots). The first time this occurs, the other Pokémon becomes so confused that it cannot be captured that phase.
4. Metapod: Metapod's just here to make the game harder.
5. Toucannon: Angry. Very angry. Angery reacts only.
6. Nebby: Pokémon lose if Nebby is captured.
7. Mimikyu: Mimikyu creates a realm of spoopy scary shadows inside the Bag that it hides the other Pokémon in (chosen at random, if the Bag has an extra spot). This lets the Bag keep both spots if Lillie is captured, but spoops the Pokémon so bad that they refuse to go in the Bag for the rest of the game. Unless it's Nebby, 'cause then the game would break.
8. Dugtrio:
HEYYEYAAEYAAAEYAEYAA9. Popplio: The starter nobody wanted. Capturing Popplio causes Lillie to have an extra spot in her Bag the next Night phase.
Lillie:10. Lillie: Is told who Nebby is. She's a super important character with plot relevance so she's told how many of each color of player are left at the end of each Night phase.
Things that will be announced in the thread:
1. Popplio decided to go back to the "Pending Designs" pile where it belongs. An extra spot opened in the Bag! (Day after Popplio's capture)
2. [player] hid in the Bag's shadows and refuses to GET BACK IN THE FUCKING BAG! (Day after Mimikyu is Bagged)
3. Exeggutor's neck defies explanation! It forced a Pokémon out of the Bag! (Day after Exeggutor is Bagged)
Wolves win when Nebby is captured.
Humans win when both Wolves die.
Nebby wins if it never gets put in the Bag.
Everybody loses if somebody forgets to capitalize the words Bag, Bagging, Bagged, etc.
Role PM's:
Quote from: Dudeman on December 27, 2016, 12:25:24 PMYou are a Pokémon. Try not to get captured.
Quote from: Dudeman on December 27, 2016, 12:25:37 PMYou are Ya Boi Guzma. Lusamine, your partner in crime, is Player.
Quote from: Dudeman on December 27, 2016, 12:25:46 PMYou are Lusamine. Ya Boi Guzma, your partner in crime, is Player.
Quote from: Dudeman on December 27, 2016, 12:26:03 PMYou are Lillie. Nebby, who won't stay in the fucking Bag, is Player.
Quote from: Dudeman on December 27, 2016, 12:41:17 PMYou are Nebby. Stay out of the fucking Bag.
1. davy
2. NocturneOfShadow
3. Maelstrom
4. BlackDragonSlayer
5. TheZeldaPianist275
6. dajwxp
7. Olimar12345
8. Dude
9. FireArrow
10. E. Gadd Industries
dajwxp was screened by Looker. Looker says he's a pretty okay guy. dajwxp has not been lynched.
It is now Night 1. Night 1 will end in 24 hours, or approximately 1 PM PST on 12/30/16. Remember to PM the host (me) with your two picks for Bagging.
Eyyyyyyyy
This should be clear, but just in case: put Maelstrom and Daj in the Bag.
Quote from: Dudeman on December 29, 2016, 12:51:39 PMI, uh...I already removed it. It's kind of important that wolves be able to get Bagged.
Woops, didn't see that. Okay, then it was definately a good idea to have Maelstrom claim.
So, now that we know that daj is human, we should bag him and Maelstrom. Confirmed human and uncounterclaimed Nebby. Seems like a good choice to me.
Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on December 29, 2016, 01:03:15 PMEyyyyyyyy
This should be clear, but just in case: put Maelstrom and Daj in the Bag.
Ez. Pm'd dudeman.
Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on December 29, 2016, 01:03:15 PMEyyyyyyyy
This should be clear, but just in case: put Maelstrom and Daj in the Bag.
This is really legit, yay! :)
y'know what will be funny? i'm actually exeggutor haha xD
well i mean mael wouldnt die but still
Plot twist: there never was an Exeggutor in the game.
Chat with TZP
Spoiler
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21:38 TZP Did I miss it
21:39 davy Hi tzp
21:39 davy No, it hasn't even started yet.
21:39 davy Phase ends in 20 minutes, right?
21:40 TZP Yeah
21:40 davy So, what do you think of the daj screening?
21:40 davy that players seem to be planning to go for.
21:42 TZP I'm still not a skilled enough player to be able to make very intelligent day 1 pushes. I could really go for anyone honestly
21:42 TZP Like I said, it was just a weird thing to do
21:43 davy Since the lynch doesn't kill humans in this game, I would prefer if we'd screen a more veteran, but less active player.
21:43 davy So that we can confirm them if they are human, but we don't allow them to hide if they are a wolf.
21:44 TZP I remember playing a game a few years ago as a wolf where I didn't realize all the humans weren't told their specific role and I falseclaimed the actual role and got torn to pieces
21:44 davy But I don't think I can turn the screening around at this point.
21:44 TZP (we almost won too because verm is a straight savage)
21:44 davy What game was that?
21:45 TZP Anyway, that's literally what daj did so I just thought it was worth pursuing
21:45 TZP I think it was one sheikah hosted hang on
21:47 TZP http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=5412.0
21:47 TZP Page 4 is where I got ramshackled
21:47 davy I'll give it a look.
21:49 TZP Would you prefer FA or BDS?
21:49 davy FA
21:50 TZP In this particular game, I think "veteran" and "less active" are mutually exclusive
21:51 davy Well, except Dude (who I, for some reason, don't count as a veteran player even though he has been playing TWG on this forum since TWG I).
21:52 TZP He's just not usually as invested in it anymore
21:52 davy yeah
21:54 TZP What do you think for bagging tonight? Think we should publically state who we're voting for?
21:54 TZP Obviously, we keep Maelstrom in
21:54 davy Maelstrom + daj
21:55 davy Unless daj turns out to be a wolf, then Maelstrom + whoever
21:55 TZP Why do you want that to be publically voted on?
21:55 davy If we state in the topic who we are going to guard, that player will just get wolf'd.
21:55 davy *wont get wolfed
21:56 davy Daj because if he doesn't die this phase, he will be a confirmed human.
21:56 davy It's always in our best interest to guard confirmed humans.
21:57 TZP Well duh
21:57 TZP Did you mean if we state in the topic who we're going to guard that player will NOT get wolfed?
21:58 davy Yes, that player will not get wolved, and some other player gets wolf'd.
21:58 davy If we have no confirmed humans, it's a bad idea to post in the topic who we are going to guard.
21:59 davy But if we have confirmed humans, guarding them is the way to go.
21:59 TZP Oh I see
21:59 TZP I'm with you
22:02 TZP Welp okay he's clean
22:06 davy Okay, I hope to see some more discussion this night phase so that we get a better idea of who might be a wolf.
22:21 davy Y'know, I'm actually feeling for an Olimar screening now.
22:22 davy He has been posting but not contributing too much.
22:22 davy And he didn't join the chat even though he asked for the chat link.
22:23 TZP That last doesn't strike me as terribly suspicious
22:24 davy It seemed too me like he didn't want to join the chat (wolves tend to get found out easier in chat), but didn't want to reveal that in chat by saying that he is unaware of the chat link.
22:24 davy Or maybe I'm just thinking too much into this.
22:28 TZP Wouldn't it have been easier to just ignore it completely, then?
22:29 davy Not if someone was WO stalinking and called him out on it.
22:30 TZP lol stalinking
22:30 TZP Eh, since we can't mislynch, I'm fine with screening him--that really takes the pressure off.
22:30 TZP I can get behind it, I just don't think that's real suspicious
22:31 davy Then it's not good.
22:31 davy We have to screen players that we are actually suspicious of
22:31 davy not just player that we want to confirm humanity of
22:31 TZP Although, like you said, he is talking without engaging us on a real deep level
22:32 TZP I mentioned BDS and FA earlier because I feel like they're acting that way a little uncharacteristically. FA more so.
22:32 davy How so?
22:35 TZP Remember FA said last game that taking the lead was more human behavior for him, and that he tended to just kind of sit in the background as a wolf? He's contributed even less than Olimar so far this game
22:35 davy Wait, do you have a link to that post?
22:35 TZP And BDS just because I thought he usually talks more than he has been
22:35 TZP I'll find it hang tight
22:35 davy k
22:37 TZP http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9005.msg360447#msg360447
22:38 davy Yeah, I think you are misphrasing what he said a little.
22:39 TZP Yeah, to be fair he didn't say sitting in the background. I couldn't remember what he said exactly
22:40 davy It would be nice though to see some more activity of all three of them (BDS, FA, Olimar).
22:41 davy Did you notice that no one even mentioned doing a classic day one Nocturne lynch?
22:41 TZP I think most people have figured out by this point that it's rarely a good idea XD
22:41 davy Probably because Nocturne is not that active and not making his characteristic joke posts that everyone interperts wrong.
22:42 davy That might be the case too.
22:42 TZP That too
22:42 TZP lol
22:42 TZP Noc strike you funny?
22:42 davy I'm not sure.
22:43 davy I'd like to find out his role for future games, but I don't find him suspicious enough to use a screening on.
22:45 davy I was just going through the player list, and I was like: we've already talked about daj, FA, BDS and Olimar, Mael is most likely Nebby, Dude is being Dude, and E. Gadd doesn't seem suspicious at the moment.
22:47 davy Well, it was nice chatting with someone, but I'm going to sleep now.
22:47 davy See you tomorrow.
Tzp fits that definition imo. We could shoot him or e gadd tomorrow (e gadd for my own reasons)
D: flip, I missed the chat.
And what are those reasons, if I might ask?
Bagging daj and mael is easily the best plan and no one has done anything thus far that strikes me as overly suspicous. Sorry for being inactive but I don't have much to add to the discussion since things are pretty straight forward at the moment.
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 29, 2016, 01:53:13 PMWe could shoot him or e gadd tomorrow (e gadd for my own reasons)
Elaborate?
I was going to make sure I voted last night, but I fell asleep, and by the time I woke up, I realized the phase had already ended so I was in no rush to get on. Sorry. :P
Daj being cleared is good, and for similar reasons, I'm tentatively leaning toward Noc next phase (i.e. Noc's being Noc and that doesn't tell us anything important one way or another).
Can a player be permanently bagged?
Quote from: Dudeman on December 29, 2016, 01:00:56 PMBagged Pokemon exit the Bag at the start of the next Night phase.
Does that mean they can be permanently bagged?
Dudeman, I think he's asking if they can be bagged multiple nights in a row (right, Noc?) to which the answer is yes. Otherwise Mael would be hit Night 2 with no way to stop it.
That's how we're planning to keep Nebblstrom alive. If that is against the rules somehow we are all screwed ;_;7
Also, if anyone is still online, I'll be in the chat.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on December 29, 2016, 08:22:28 PMDaj being cleared is good, and for similar reasons, I'm tentatively leaning toward Noc next phase (i.e. Noc's being Noc and that doesn't tell us anything important one way or another).
We should be careful to assume lynching suspicious people is not as neccessairy this game just because lynches don't kill humans. We still need to use our lynches to catch wolves, and if we waste too many on humans, we will lose the game.
I suggest screening FireArrow this day phase.
This:
QuoteI don't have much to add to the discussion since things are pretty straight forward at the moment.
Sounds a lot like his own describtion of his wolf behavior:
QuoteWhen I'm a wolf I usually try and make alliances with humans and/or kiss up to the people taking charge of the thread.
TWG XCIII: Get in the Fucking Bag
Game starts on a Day phase. Each Day phase, every player votes for a player to send to Looker for screening. If that player is a bad guy, Looker puts them in the Ultra Wormhole FOREVER (they ded). Otherwise, the player is sent back and nothing happens. At Night, the Bad Guys can try to capture (wolf) one player. At the same time, each player will vote via PM for two players to put in the Bag. Players put in the Bag will not be wolfed at the end of the Night phase, and will be publicly announced at the beginning of the next Day phase. Bagged players also cannot be sent for screening. Wolves start out with 0 Bagging votes, but will gain two votes collectively for each Human they capture. If they capture Lillie, the Bag will only have one open spot on the next Night Phase (this cannot occur two Night Phases in a row; capturing Lillie twice in a row will do nothing). Bagged Pokemon exit the Bag at the start of the next Night phase.
Bad Guys (Wolves):
Wolves know each other.
1. Lusamine: Has memory problems and can't remember who Lillie is. She's a President-type human so her screening votes can count for two, but only if she PM's the host stating so each Day phase.
2. Ya Boi Guzma: Every Night phase, he can get Team Skull to check what Pokémon a player is. They're not that smart, so all they can get is the color.
Pokémon:
3. Exeggutor: Its neck is so long that it takes up an extra spot in the Bag and the other Pokémon is forced out (at random, if the Bag has three spots). The first time this occurs, the other Pokémon becomes so confused that it cannot be captured that phase.
4. Metapod: Metapod's just here to make the game harder.
5. Toucannon: Angry. Very angry. Angery reacts only.
6. Nebby: Pokémon lose if Nebby is captured.
7. Mimikyu: Mimikyu creates a realm of spoopy scary shadows inside the Bag that it hides the other Pokémon in (chosen at random, if the Bag has an extra spot). This lets the Bag keep both spots if Lillie is captured, but spoops the Pokémon so bad that they refuse to go in the Bag for the rest of the game. Unless it's Nebby, 'cause then the game would break.
8. Dugtrio: HEYYEYAAEYAAAEYAEYAA
9. Popplio: The starter nobody wanted. Capturing Popplio causes Lillie to have an extra spot in her Bag the next Night phase.
Lillie:
10. Lillie: Is told who Nebby is. She's a super important character with plot relevance so she's told how many of each color of player are left at the end of each Night phase.
Things that will be announced in the thread:
1. Popplio decided to go back to the "Pending Designs" pile where it belongs. An extra spot opened in the Bag! (Day after Popplio's capture)
2. [player] hid in the Bag's shadows and refuses to GET BACK IN THE FUCKING BAG! (Day after Mimikyu is Bagged)
3. Exeggutor's neck defies explanation! It forced a Pokémon out of the Bag! (Day after Exeggutor is Bagged)
Wolves win when Nebby is captured.
Humans win when both Wolves die.
Nebby wins if it never gets put in the Bag.
Everybody loses if somebody forgets to capitalize the words Bag, Bagging, Bagged, etc.
1. davy
2. NocturneOfShadow
3. Maelstrom
4. BlackDragonSlayer
5. TheZeldaPianist275
6. dajwxp
7. Olimar12345
8. Dude
9. FireArrow
10. E. Gadd Industries
dajwxp and Maelstrom were stuffed in the Bag. They cannot be sent for screening today.
davy was captured by the bad guys, oh no! :(
It is now Day 2. Day 2 will end in 48 hours, or approximately 1 PM PST on 1/1/17(!!!).
My post was just in time!
Good luck to the humans, you can do this!
e. gadd
Okay, Noc and Dude, why do you both want E. Gadd so much?
nocturneofshadow
Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on December 30, 2016, 01:33:58 PMOkay, Noc and Dude, why do you both want E. Gadd so much?
(https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F68.media.tumblr.com%2F1cfd71182a976ac8566117ec31614a96%2Ftumblr_inline_nfj0dt9Tx11s9bbp9.png&hash=8822798d749e0f6b8f104a5f15706ced9ef7a7fe)
That's it? You just have a feeling? You heard Davy, we can't base our screenings merely on instinct. And apparently, Noc wants Noc to be screened.
Noc's self vote reeks of reverse psychology but everytime I'm suspicous of him I'm wrong so uh... idk.
In my defense from davy's accusation, if I was a wolf my meta behavior would be to try and be davy's side kick so he trusts me. I wouldn't put myself in a situation where the human leader doesn't trust me this early on unless I royally screwed up, which didn't happen unless you consider not trying to be screwing up. I'll reread the thread and come back with more thoughts.
Actually just gonna say this now: Dude and Noc, if you guys are human you're currently hurting the humans by being uncontructive and most likely trolling. We either waste screenings on you guys for purposely acting suspicous or you're wolves hoping confuse us/not caring about that game.
^^That and the fact that Noc hasn't explained his suspicions of me, and Dude's was... erm... "less than satisfactory"
We'll put it that way.
FA seems to be playing similarly to the way he was last game, which makes me feel better about his humanity.
Dood: I agree that dude needs to explain their suspicions a bit more, lest they look suspicious in return.
Noc: ?? More from you pls
Davy: rip you as well as my suspicions of you :c
Mael: what did Lillie say?
I'll be on to chat later (in about an hour and a half). Hopefully I can catch some of you guys online then.
I'm still leaning a bit toward Noc; he's a loose cannon right now, and that's not going to help us at any point in the game, but it's probably safer for us to get him out of the way now instead of waiting until the game-deciding lynch.
O' course, I can't help but feel that Dude is acting all fishy with his random suspicions. I don't think I've been acting suspiciously.
Playing devil's advocate, what if they are both just playing their usual selves? Referencing last game again, this is how both of them acted and neither of them were werewolves. I'm starting to take a bit more careful look at who's jumping on their cases...
In the chat.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 30, 2016, 05:00:30 PMPlaying devil's advocate, what if they are both just playing their usual selves? Referencing last game again, this is how both of them acted and neither of them were werewolves. I'm starting to take a bit more careful look at who's jumping on their cases...
See, that's the thing: they act that way regardless of whether they are wolves or not (I'm mostly referring to Noc, but I'm sure that applies to Dude as well).
Personally fa and egadd have been my top two picks since we started but I was sick and didn't post right away so everyone was suspicious of me so I figured I'd clear my name by checking myself.
But whatever you guys think is best.
we have a discord channel now btw
also everyone is online rn get on if you aren't already
In the chatroom?
Link pls
http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=8120.0
Oops
I do actually think e gadd has been acting in such a way that screening him wouldn't be a mistake. Maybe I haven't played with him enough but he's pushing suspicion toward me and dude a little bit harder than is normal for either of us
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 30, 2016, 08:50:48 PMI do actually think e gadd has been acting in such a way that screening him wouldn't be a mistake. Maybe I haven't played with him enough but he's pushing suspicion toward me and dude a little bit harder than is normal for either of us
Didn't you two start that, though?
(again mostly referring to you, Noc)
Davy was gren
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on December 28, 2016, 05:46:29 AMGranted, I'm trying to be a bit more involved in the game, but I'm still learning. Which is why I'm never good at these things.
In response to Noc^^^
Also, guys, I had a dream about TWG last night. It was WEIRD.
So we have a decision to make: are we going to seer/lynch dude/noc, or someone else?
Seering dude/noc pros
-we possibly confirm a human
-we possibly kill a wolf
-we end the suspicion on one of them
Cons
-we waste a lynch/seering on humans that are playing shitty
-suspicion increases on the one we don't check, which could possibly result in another mislynch.
What will we do?
Im voting for e gadd . Originally i wanted to be suspicious enough to get screened myself, but as awesome as it would be to be confirmed, id rather find potential wolves than clear myself, and i think e gadd is a good place to start.
See, I don't like making this choice this early in the game. Idk, it seems there's too much at stake. I mean, sure, we'll get a conclusive answer concerning whomever is chosen, but still, if they're human, no progress is made. And this the wolves yet another night to kill someone off/develop their strategy. Besides, what about if the person we send in is human? Who will be Bagged? Sure, Mealstrom, but what about the other two humans? One will be Bagged, and the other... wolfmeat. This vote is crucial; the wolves got davy, so they now have one vote, yes? For the bagging, that is. If they get another human, won't they get their full 2 votes? And then what? The Wolves will basically run the board with Bag voting.
Also, ninja'd by Noc.
I don't want to waste a perfectly good vote on a human, but there's no way I can prove my humanity any more than the next guy (unless you're daj, davy's ghost, or Maelstrom). Honestly, if anything, Oli seems as suspicious as anyone to me. Problem is, i don't think I could build enough of a convincing argument without using the word "instinct" or the phrase "I just have that feeling" that Dude used for me, so I'm waiting to cast my vote.
I stole my brothers tablet and will try to be in the chat as long as i can
http://chat.mibbit.com/?channel=%23NSMTWG&server=irc.mibbit.net
We use discord now
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 31, 2016, 10:10:00 AMIm voting for e gadd . Originally i wanted to be suspicious enough to get screened myself, but as awesome as it would be to be confirmed, id rather find potential wolves than clear myself, and i think e gadd is a good place to start.
You do realize that "I think he's suspicous" is an uterrly BS reason to lynch. Make a case against him. Quote posts, analyze them, tell us what exactly about his behavior you find suspicous so we have an oppurtunity to agree or disagree with you.
My thoughts currently are:
Dude: He's usually inactive and trolling. This time however, he's obviously active, just avoiding participating in any important discussion while refusing to be constructive (see: him telling noc to use discord whilst completely ignoring the fact that egadd posted a defense against his and noc's accusation.)
Olimar: He's being helpful, but all his posts are extremely obvious things (yes, thank you for clarifying that lynching dude or noc means we may or may not hit a wolf) whilst not taking any actual stance on things. "Hey guys, [insert really obvious information], what should we do" is pretty textbook wolf behavior. You look like your helping without bringing anything new to the table while avoiding putting anyone against you by not actually taking sides. There's also that thing with him asking for the chat while never actually using it. Tied with dude as my second prefered lynch.
E. Gadd: His posts are just really uncomfortable and confused in a way that screams "I don't really know how to make it look like I'm helping" rather than usual "I'm human and I'm confused." This isn't much to build a case off of.
NocturneOfShadow: He voted for himself to "prove that he was human." Wasting a human lynch to prove your humanity is
extremely bad for humans. It's still a fucking mislynch, whether or not you actually die from it. Not only that, but you quickly retracted your vote to go after E gadd. You showed no desire in actually following through with your self vote. Out of everyone, your behavior jumps out the most to me and why I'd prefer your lynch.
I usually suspect Noc and then I'm dead wrong, but that's because I alwayd misinterpret his jokes. This time it's actually based on posts he meant to be taking seriously, so I'm a bit more comfortable with it. Anyways, one of these days I'm going to actually be right and give him a pass because I'm wrong >_>
alright this works too
NocturneOfShadow
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 31, 2016, 02:14:42 PMalright this works too
NocturneOfShadow
If you were human, it would be in your best interest to defend yourself. If I'm not mistaken, a mislynch today means we have to lynch a wolf next phase.
I don't really care, cause you're being dumb. Either vote for an actual wolf or accept blame for the mislynch.
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on December 27, 2016, 05:31:01 PMStill, Nebby wins with the Pokémon, and so even if Nebby is Bagged, yet the Pokémon win, it doesn't really matter. Nebby still wins. Honestly, to me, that win condition seems like one of those "extra missions" that you redo a level for just to focus on one thing the entire time. A "peripheral" win condition of sorts. So I guess it depends on Nebby's confidence in both themselves and in the Pokémon crew as a whole as to whether they should claim or not.
Also, Ninja'D. Daj, you didn't capitalize Bag.
Wishy-washy post about the strategy behind nebby claim. Most likely stemming from not a full comprehension of the rules
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on December 27, 2016, 05:38:21 PMForgive me, but where does it say that.
Also, you seem really adamant about getting your point across that you're Nebby. One thing I can't get past, though, is how you were so strongly advising Nebby to stay undercover here:Highly contradicting, considering you claimed at the bottom of the very same post.
most humanish post I've seen from him technically, but it can also be read as him pushing an early target (which was entirely unnecessary as daj had screwed up enough anyway)
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on December 28, 2016, 05:28:56 AMSo the big question as of now: who is daj? If he claimed Exeggutor, that would be a wild guess, as the PMs didn't specify which Pokémon you are.
Not actually the big question as of now
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on December 28, 2016, 05:46:29 AMOh yeah. That, too. XD
Here are my thoughts, now that I've actually had the chance to think about this:
All but one person has posted. Now, the two wolves know each other. I don't think daj would be a wolf, then, since the other person wouldn't let him screw up that badly. UNLESS daj & Dude are both wolves. Or someone else isn't checking their inbox or daj didn't PM anything to his partner.
Granted, I'm trying to be a bit more involved in the game, but I'm still learning. Which is why I'm never good at these things.
Here's where I'm starting to think E Gadd could potentially be a wolf. Mostly blaming inexperience. I don't buy it, not from E Gadd, which causes me to look back at his "inexperienced" posts.
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on December 29, 2016, 01:56:43 PMD: flip, I missed the chat.
And what are those reasons, if I might ask?
Acceptable.
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on December 30, 2016, 01:46:45 PMThat's it? You just have a feeling? You heard Davy, we can't base our screenings merely on instinct. And apparently, Noc wants Noc to be screened.
Going ham on dude here.
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on December 30, 2016, 02:31:00 PM^^That and the fact that Noc hasn't explained his suspicions of me, and Dude's was... erm... "less than satisfactory"
We'll put it that way.
Between the interactions between E Gadd and FA and davy's initial suspicion of FA a partnership here wouldn't be out of the question, but if that is the case FA is a bigger target than E Gadd. It's a little bit odd that my natural suspicions are the same as Dude's, but I guess we just notice the same things.
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on December 30, 2016, 04:56:26 PMO' course, I can't help but feel that Dude is acting all fishy with his random suspicions. I don't think I've been acting suspiciously.
It's true that Dude's random vote for you seems, well, random, but he's probably been picking up on these same little things that I have, and it's a little bit difficult to put that sort of thing into words. I think it's more likely that dude isn't a pokemon than he is, but I'm not very sure about myself as of yet.
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on December 31, 2016, 10:14:12 AMSee, I don't like making this choice this early in the game. Idk, it seems there's too much at stake. I mean, sure, we'll get a conclusive answer concerning whomever is chosen, but still, if they're human, no progress is made. And this the wolves yet another night to kill someone off/develop their strategy. Besides, what about if the person we send in is human? Who will be Bagged? Sure, Mealstrom, but what about the other two humans? One will be Bagged, and the other... wolfmeat. This vote is crucial; the wolves got davy, so they now have one vote, yes? For the bagging, that is. If they get another human, won't they get their full 2 votes? And then what? The Wolves will basically run the board with Bag voting.
Also, ninja'd by Noc.
I don't want to waste a perfectly good vote on a human, but there's no way I can prove my humanity any more than the next guy (unless you're daj, davy's ghost, or Maelstrom). Honestly, if anything, Oli seems as suspicious as anyone to me. Problem is, i don't think I could build enough of a convincing argument without using the word "instinct" or the phrase "I just have that feeling" that Dude used for me, so I'm waiting to cast my vote.
This is your most wolfish post for one reason- you say you're waiting to cast your vote. If you were human, you've shown enough interest in FA, Dude, or Olimar that a vote for them wouldn't be out of the question. Waiting to cast your vote means you want more control in the outcome. It's pretty surprising to me, actually, that you haven't voted for anyone yet. In addition, you were going pretty hard on daj right off the bat, yet you were the last person to vote for him. I know this isn't a large amount of evidence and it could easily just be misinterpretation and tbh dude voting for you makes me less confident about it. This is what I've seen from you and I don't think it's due to inexperience.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 27, 2016, 02:30:05 PMI'm still trying to understand this game. If nebby claims and we bag her every night, I don't really see how we can lose. Also mislynches are impossible?
dingdingding we have the average beginning of game post
Quote from: FireArrow on December 29, 2016, 02:24:37 PMBagging daj and mael is easily the best plan and no one has done anything thus far that strikes me as overly suspicous. Sorry for being inactive but I don't have much to add to the discussion since things are pretty straight forward at the moment.
Elaborate?
I think davy already pointed out this post.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 30, 2016, 01:55:21 PMNoc's self vote reeks of reverse psychology but everytime I'm suspicous of him I'm wrong so uh... idk.
In my defense from davy's accusation, if I was a wolf my meta behavior would be to try and be davy's side kick so he trusts me. I wouldn't put myself in a situation where the human leader doesn't trust me this early on unless I royally screwed up, which didn't happen unless you consider not trying to be screwing up. I'll reread the thread and come back with more thoughts.
this is flimsy logic and I don't really see how this defends you from davy's suspicion. He already said you were acting closer to the humans- "try and be davy's side kick"="suck up to the humans", am I wrong?
Quote from: FireArrow on December 30, 2016, 02:04:24 PMActually just gonna say this now: Dude and Noc, if you guys are human you're currently hurting the humans by being uncontructive and most likely trolling. We either waste screenings on you guys for purposely acting suspicous or you're wolves hoping confuse us/not caring about that game.
dude might be trolling. I don't think he's played a serious game of TWG in years, but it is the werewolf GAME, so maybe he's the sane one.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 31, 2016, 01:44:07 PMYou do realize that "I think he's suspicous" is an uterrly BS reason to lynch. Make a case against him. Quote posts, analyze them, tell us what exactly about his behavior you find suspicous so we have an oppurtunity to agree or disagree with you.
My thoughts currently are:
Dude: He's usually inactive and trolling. This time however, he's obviously active, just avoiding participating in any important discussion while refusing to be constructive (see: him telling noc to use discord whilst completely ignoring the fact that egadd posted a defense against his and noc's accusation.)
I wouldn't consider his behavior active in any way
Olimar: He's being helpful, but all his posts are extremely obvious things (yes, thank you for clarifying that lynching dude or noc means we may or may not hit a wolf) whilst not taking any actual stance on things. "Hey guys, [insert really obvious information], what should we do" is pretty textbook wolf behavior. You look like your helping without bringing anything new to the table while avoiding putting anyone against you by not actually taking sides. There's also that thing with him asking for the chat while never actually using it. Tied with dude as my second prefered lynch.
Olimar is just bad at TWG
E. Gadd: His posts are just really uncomfortable and confused in a way that screams "I don't really know how to make it look like I'm helping" rather than usual "I'm human and I'm confused." This isn't much to build a case off of.
See, you've noticed the exact same thing that I have. That's actually a good way to put it, as accurate as it may or may not be.
NocturneOfShadow: He voted for himself to "prove that he was human." Wasting a human lynch to prove your humanity is extremely bad for humans. It's still a fucking mislynch, whether or not you actually die from it. Not only that, but you quickly retracted your vote to go after E gadd. You showed no desire in actually following through with your self vote. Out of everyone, your behavior jumps out the most to me and why I'd prefer your lynch.
"Noc, don't vote for yourself, it's a wasted lynch and wolfish behavior"
"Noc voted for someone else, he's probably a wolf"
Make up your mind. Which behavior is wolfish?
I usually suspect Noc and then I'm dead wrong, but that's because I alwayd misinterpret his jokes. This time it's actually based on posts he meant to be taking seriously, so I'm a bit more comfortable with it. Anyways, one of these days I'm going to actually be right and give him a pass because I'm wrong >_>
Someday you will be wrong, and I will love playing in that game because everyone knows being the wolf is fun and being human makes you not even wanna play the game
Quote from: FireArrow on December 31, 2016, 02:24:14 PMIf you were human, it would be in your best interest to defend yourself. If I'm not mistaken, a mislynch today means we have to lynch a wolf next phase.
this is where we disagree on playstyle. I don't think I need to defend myself, especially if nothing I've done is actually wolf behavior.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 31, 2016, 01:44:07 PMOlimar: He's being helpful, but all his posts are extremely obvious things (yes, thank you for clarifying that lynching dude or noc means we may or may not hit a wolf) whilst not taking any actual stance on things. "Hey guys, [insert really obvious information], what should we do" is pretty textbook wolf behavior. You look like your helping without bringing anything new to the table while avoiding putting anyone against you by not actually taking sides. There's also that thing with him asking for the chat while never actually using it. Tied with dude as my second prefered lynch.
Tf? First of all, I'm not a good enough twg-er to know everything by the second day phase (minus an initial night phase). Posting "obvious things" in the manner in which I did was a means to organize pros/cons (notice how there was an imbalance? That should have meant something). Sometimes it helps to have simple things bumped so that we can stay on task. Second of all, I was on the mibbit chat both times that I posted about it (here (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9064.msg362678#msg362678) and here (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9064.msg362758#msg362758)), plus I even created a discord channel for more convenience in chatting (although I have not had a chance to really chat there yet, admittedly).
The reason I'm waiting is because I want to see what other people say/do. This way I can have more tangible feelings than mere instinct. If you guys want to screen me, go ahead, if it proves my humanity. The reason I keep saying inexperience was because all the games before that I've played, I never really did anything. Just kinda let everyone else do the playing and I sat in the backseat.
Actually, if you want my vote:
NocturneOfShadow
:)
Quote from: Dudeman on December 27, 2016, 12:26:10 PMBad Guys (Wolves):
Wolves know each other.
1. Lusamine: Has memory problems and can't remember who Lillie is. She's a President-type human so her screening votes can count for two, but only if she PM's the host stating so each Day phase.
2. Ya Boi Guzma: Every Night phase, he can get Team Skull to check what Pokémon a player is. They're not that smart, so all they can get is the color.
Pokémon:
3. Exeggutor: Its neck is so long that it takes up an extra spot in the Bag and the other Pokémon is forced out (at random, if the Bag has three spots). The first time this occurs, the other Pokémon becomes so confused that it cannot be captured that phase.
4. Metapod: Metapod's just here to make the game harder.
5. Toucannon: Angry. Very angry. Angery reacts only.
6. Nebby: Pokémon lose if Nebby is captured.
7. Mimikyu: Mimikyu creates a realm of spoopy scary shadows inside the Bag that it hides the other Pokémon in (chosen at random, if the Bag has an extra spot). This lets the Bag keep both spots if Lillie is captured, but spoops the Pokémon so bad that they refuse to go in the Bag for the rest of the game. Unless it's Nebby, 'cause then the game would break.
8. Dugtrio: HEYYEYAAEYAAAEYAEYAA
9. Popplio: The starter nobody wanted. Capturing Popplio causes Lillie to have an extra spot in her Bag the next Night phase.
Lillie:
10. Lillie: Is told who Nebby is. She's a super important character with plot relevance so she's told how many of each color of player are left at the end of each Night phase.
1. davy
2. NocturneOfShadow
3. Maelstrom
4. BlackDragonSlayer
5. TheZeldaPianist275
6. dajwxp
7. Olimar12345
8. Dude
9. FireArrow
10. E. Gadd Industries
The other important thing to note is that Maelstrom should know who Lillie is, and we don't. He has access to information we don't have and I'm not sure how important it is that Lillie stay alive. I also want to point out the possibility of one of the wolves likely being a veteran (whom I would consider being Me, FA, BDS, and TZP) for going after davy night 1. Even though I'm leaning green on TZP as of now I wouldn't discount him as a possible wolf. He's just the lowest on my suspicions, E Gadd being the highest. Green is confirmed human.
Red had better not be confirmed wolf.
Would you guys actually listen to me if I was confirmed green?
lmao, putting yourself as green is stupid, since that isn't confirmed knowledge that the rest of us could know. Should really be:
1. davy
3. Maelstrom
6. dajwxp
As for the rest:
2. NocturneOfShadow - This (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9064.msg362902#msg362902) post is utter shit that looks like you're trying as hard as you can to find anything wrong with EGadd. Even if it was a better post, waiting this long to make it, while turning suspicions onto yourself was a shit move for the humans because now (if you're really a human) we will most likely end up wasting a lynch on you.
4. BlackDragonSlayer - I haven't seen much of you in this game yet. You weren't that talkative in the chat the other night, and it was so uneventful I didn't bother to save the log.
5. TheZeldaPianist275 - Same as BDS; not really picking up much from you atm.
7. Olimar12345 - it's-a-me
8. Dude - Post more meaningful things pls.
9. FireArrow - You are a mystery to me right now. From past games, working both with you and against you, you play very solidly and it makes it hard for me to
10. E. Gadd Industries - I've seen more inexperience in your posts than suspicious wolf behavior, but your recent double posts about not wanting to vote then immediately voting is weird... NINJA'D: your paranoia is not helping your case.
More in a sec.
why can I not put myself as green
I got a PM saying I was human, isn't that enough?
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 31, 2016, 03:27:06 PMwhy can I not put myself as green
I got a PM saying I was human, isn't that enough?
Quote from: Dudeman on December 27, 2016, 12:26:10 PMRole PM's:
QuoteYou are a Pokémon. Try not to get captured.
confermed wolf
Eh, the whole voting thing was more rashness than anything.
Literally didn't even finish this sentence. Should proofread things more:
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 31, 2016, 03:25:44 PM9. FireArrow - You are a mystery to me right now. From past games, working both with you and against you, you play very solidly and it makes it hard for me to tell which side you could really be on when we aren't both wolves or on the same team from the start or something.
Dang, even I feel that noc's being weird. GG
Noc~
Probably will change later if something surfaced but c'mon guys this guy
Whatever.
Noc
I have a bad feeling about this though.
How about as an apology we bag me and mael tonight
Might just be because I was in the chat with him, but I'm leaning human on Olimar, though I have to disagree with him that I wasn't saying anything in the chat: there just wasn't much else going on at all after the discussion about Noc, which didn't go very far beyond what was already said because Noc himself wasn't present to answer our questions. That being said,
NocturneOfShadow
Will put together more thoughts after I eat.
Shout out to dudeman for making a game that I physically could not die after one night phase in
noc is now dead because I can't ruin tradition like that
jk, you all get to find out tomorrow at 1
noc if it still means anything
Up In The Air:
1. NocturneOfShadow: Like I've said before, Noc is being incredibly unhelpful and quite confusing about himself, along with proposing what seem like random suspicious that he's repeatedly been insisting on. Good news is that we're probably going to settle the "question of Noc" soon.
2. Dude: Same as Noc, except we're probably not going to know any more about Dude.
3. FireArrow: In conjunction with davy's pre-death post about him, Olimar brings up a fair point about FireArrow. I don't think we should completely ignore FireArrow because he seems to be leaning more on the "helpful" side (or rather, on the "ambiguously helpful" side). Also, davy thought it might be a good idea to screen FA as well, so that's something to consider?
Probably Human:
4. TheZeldaPianist275: Hasn't really done much, but doesn't really seem too suspicious to me other than that. Has he been in the chat much?
5. E. Gadd Industries: I don't really get the E. Gadd suspicion; unless Noc turns out to be a human, he's not really my priority right now (but even then, I'd still probably question Noc's judgement).
6. Olimar12345: Seem to be the most contributive thus far aside from FireArrow; I don't think he and FireArrow would be partners if either was a wolf, so that makes me feel safer that the wolves don't currently have a stranglehold on activity (unless I'm completely wrong and Olimar is just intentionally trying to distance himself from FireArrow).
Definitely Human:
7. dajwxp
8. Maelstrom
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 31, 2016, 02:58:25 PMI think davy already pointed out this post.
It may not be the best reason, but it really was my reason.
Quotethis is flimsy logic and I don't really see how this defends you from davy's suspicion. He already said you were acting closer to the humans- "try and be davy's side kick"="suck up to the humans", am I wrong?
"Suck up to the humans" isn't really a thing because there's no human alliance. If I was a wolf my "meta" game plan would be to get into chat with davy (via PM or on discord) and talk and just talk about suspicouns, make plans with him, etc.. Obviously, since I told everyone my general game plans last game, if I were a wolf I wouldn't be so dumb as to actually do that though, so my defense (as well as acussation regarding that matter) are pretty pointless here. You wanna call people out on behaviors that they're unaware of, since they wouldn't know to hide it/change it up.
Quotedude might be trolling. I don't think he's played a serious game of TWG in years, but it is the werewolf GAME, so maybe he's the sane one.
I have no doubt that he's trolling. I feel he'd be more likely to troll as a wolf unless he'd really go low enough to sign up for a game just to screw with people on his team.
Quotethis is where we disagree on playstyle. I don't think I need to defend myself, especially if nothing I've done is actually wolf behavior.
If this is just a "playstyle" that you disagree with then you're bad at the game. We have a limited number of day phases to lynch a wolf before we lose. You're willing to waste one of those to prove your humanity?
Voting for yourself in responce to my vote shows that you're more concerned with looking human than you are winning this game as a human. It doesn't help that you did this while at the same time making a defense (but only after I asked for one?)
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 31, 2016, 02:59:36 PMTf? First of all, I'm not a good enough twg-er to know everything by the second day phase (minus an initial night phase). Posting "obvious things" in the manner in which I did was a means to organize pros/cons (notice how there was an imbalance? That should have meant something). Sometimes it helps to have simple things bumped so that we can stay on task. Second of all, I was on the mibbit chat both times that I posted about it (here (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9064.msg362678#msg362678) and here (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9064.msg362758#msg362758)), plus I even created a discord channel for more convenience in chatting (although I have not had a chance to really chat there yet, admittedly).
If this was a reaction test you failed it. However, I think you're normally pretty agressive when defending yourself so w/e. Then again, this game has less consequences for the lynch target if they're human so... hmmm
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on December 31, 2016, 03:18:26 PMWould you guys actually listen to me if I was confirmed green?
You're looking really suspicous now too. While I told noc he was suspicous for not showing too much interest in defending himself, it seems you're bending over backwards to avoid getting screened. You were never really a legitmanet lynch target until recently yet you've been acting like your public enemy number 1 this entire time.
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 31, 2016, 03:27:06 PMwhy can I not put myself as green
I got a PM saying I was human, isn't that enough?
I was actually going to switch my vote to E gadd until I saw this. Humans aren't green in this game. Green specifically refers to Exeggutor and Metapod, which is irrelevant since you don't know which pokemon you are in your PM.
I noc is human I see Olimar + E Gadd being the most likely wolf team. If noc is a wolf I think his partner is probably TZP or BDS (dude seems way to obvious; they wouldn't be that dumb.)
Anything I want to say to you right now is too rude, so just know I'm facepalming really hard right now
Quote from: FireArrow on December 31, 2016, 08:46:46 PMI noc is human I see Olimar + E Gadd being the most likely wolf team.
Why me and Olimar?
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on December 31, 2016, 09:16:20 PMWhy me and Olimar?
because he can't choose himself and olimar is the next best to shaft suspicion
But why is he the best one? Jc
Why don't you ask your wolf partner that
...well SOMEONE'S feeling accusational tonight!
Quit ninja-ing me with your small insignificant posts ><
Quote from: FireArrow on December 31, 2016, 08:46:46 PMIf this is just a "playstyle" that you disagree with then you're bad at the game. We have a limited number of day phases to lynch a wolf before we lose. You're willing to waste one of those to prove your humanity?
Voting for yourself in responce to my vote shows that you're more concerned with looking human than you are winning this game as a human. It doesn't help that you did this while at the same time making a defense (but only after I asked for one?)
Rekt. (Although nothing you said here was new, I found the way in which you said it amusing). We have no choice but to check noc now anyway.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 31, 2016, 08:46:46 PMIf this was a reaction test you failed it. However, I think you're normally pretty agressive when defending yourself so w/e. Then again, this game has less consequences for the lynch target if they're human so... hmmm
I'll say it again: Tf?? As aggressive as I can be (I'll agree with that), my response covered all of your "weak" points made at me pretty well, I thought. For your to brush it off as an "oh reaction test hmmm hmm..." seems like a cop-out in addition to looking suspicious. Not to mention, as rightfully concerned with wasting lynches as you have been with noc, you sure did jump to the "well, it's okay to waste a lynch on you if you're a human" card on me (even within the same post). Thats contradicting.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 31, 2016, 09:34:34 PMI'll say it again: Tf?? As aggressive as I can be (I'll agree with that), my response covered all of your "weak" points made at me pretty well, I thought. For your to brush it off as an "oh reaction test hmmm hmm..." seems like a cop-out in addition to looking suspicious. Not to mention, as rightfully concerned with wasting lynches as you have been with noc, you sure did jump to the "well, it's okay to waste a lynch on you if you're a human" card on me (even within the same post). Thats contradicting.
I wasn't a reaction test. You just reacted in a way that was suspicous so I said "If it was a reaction test, you failed."
There's a difference between being suspicous of someone and pushing for their lynch. If people are pushing for your lynch then yes, defend yourself by all means. If people are suspicous of you, defend yourself if you think it's necessary, but there's absolutely no reason to get worked up over it (your response to me) or act extremely paranoid over getting lynched (E Gadd.) In your case it's probably most likely that you're just being you, but it's still worth considering the possbility that you're a jumpy wolf.
Quote from: FireArrow on December 31, 2016, 09:44:12 PMor act extremely paranoid over getting lynched (E Gadd.)
::) My bad
Quote from: FireArrow on December 31, 2016, 09:44:12 PMI wasn't a reaction test. You just reacted in a way that was suspicous so I said "If it was a reaction test, you failed."
There's a difference between being suspicous of someone and pushing for their lynch. If people are pushing for your lynch then yes, defend yourself by all means. If people are suspicous of you, defend yourself if you think it's necessary, but there's absolutely no reason to get worked up over it (your response to me) or act extremely paranoid over getting lynched (E Gadd.) In your case it's probably most likely that you're just being you, but it's still worth considering the possbility that you're a jumpy wolf.
Oic (kind of). I just don't think my response came across as that weird. You said some things that weren't correct, then I responded in a manner that is not unusual for me. How that response "failed a reaction test" seems beyond me, or at least beyond my twg experience thus far.
Let's also forget that bit about suggesting a human lynch in a contradicting manner though.
E. Gad for now. He's just rubbing me the wrong way. May change soon.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 31, 2016, 09:51:39 PMLet's also forget that bit about suggesting a human lynch in a contradicting manner though.
I'm pretty sure my post adresses that. Lynching a human is always a bad idea, it's matter of how much people react to varying degrees of suspicoun. Noc originally claimed to have no interest in stopping a human lynch. You guys (mostly E Gadd) are trying extremely hard to stop a lynch that's not happening.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 31, 2016, 09:51:39 PMYou said some things that weren't correct, then I responded in a manner that is not unusual for me. How that response "failed a reaction test" seems beyond me, or at least beyond my twg experience thus far.
You didn't just disagree with me, you phrased in such a way to suggest I was being stupid and talking complete bullshit. It's either a failed reaction test (overly defensive, given I wasn't suggesting your lynch nor was that a significant part of my suspicion of you) or you replying in your usual manner. Not both, the latter being more likely, but with the former still worth consideration.
Quote from: Maelstrom on December 31, 2016, 09:55:16 PME. Gad for now. He's just rubbing me the wrong way. May change soon.
^don't blame you, especially how the discord chat is going. I'll have to wait until I'm at a computer to post the log, I'll do it in the morning before the next phase of someone else doesn't beat me to it.
Ninjad
How does one post the log, and I'll do it
ok I didn't realize we still had 15 hours until phase ended. I am switching my vote back over to E Gadd since voting for myself isn't conducive to a human victory
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on December 31, 2016, 10:13:31 PMHow does one post the log, and I'll do it
Just fyi, you're giving off a "trying too hard" vibe. Just highlight the messages and copy/paste them here, preferably in a spoiler tag.
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on December 31, 2016, 10:14:50 PMok I didn't realize we still had 15 hours until phase ended. I am switching my vote back over to E Gadd since voting for myself isn't conducive to a human victory
Seems hella "too little too late." With all the ruckus you've made, it would seem unwise to let you slide rn imo.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 31, 2016, 10:15:59 PMJust highlight the messages and copy/paste them here, preferably in a spoiler tag.
Thanks
Log coming in a sec
Just a small part of the log, but this really makes me question E Gadd
Spoiler
QuoteGerik - Today at 10:16 PM
You've been constantly planning for your lynch dude
Michael - Today at 10:16 PM
ok so discord has terrible terrible chat logs
spaces everywhere
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 10:17 PM
@FA yes, I have been, because what if?
I'm planning for worst-case scenario
Gerik - Today at 10:17 PM
Worst case scenario is we lynch a human
regardless of whether that human is you or not
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 10:18 PM
I'm speaking of a personal level WCS
Michael - Today at 10:18 PM
worst case scenario is we lynch me
over you
Gerik - Today at 10:19 PM
It's really wolfy that right now you seem more concerned with your lynch than Noc's right now
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 10:19 PM
Honestly, it's being to seem like Noc's right. But that may be sleep-deprivation
Als ninja'd
*ALSO
*beginning
Gerik - Today at 10:19 PM
Since humans don't actually die to the lynch that makes no sense anyways
It's not any worse for you to be cleared than another human
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 10:20 PM
But, Mealstrom said we only have 2 mislynches
In all caps, too. It was slightly terrifying.
Gerik - Today at 10:20 PM
In fact if you're being selfish, you'd want to lynch yourself (hence why I called noc selfish if he's human(
at least over another human
Olimar12345 - Today at 10:21 PM
FA is right. Lynching a human hurts regardless of who it is
But doesn't kill said himan
Also hi fa
Gerik - Today at 10:21 PM
I mean, even saying something like "bag me" is incredibly weird
Olimar12345 - Today at 10:21 PM
^
Gerik - Today at 10:21 PM
since we already have two confirmed humans
Olimar12345 - Today at 10:22 PM
Oh hella
Basically, he claims the reason he's so paranoid (and asking people to bag him when he's claered) is because he's planning for the worst-case scenario where he's lynched. This makes absolutely no sense, because this isn't a normal TWG game. Everyone is hurt equally by a mislynch, that pain being the losing one of our two chances to hit a wolf. In fact, the person who is mislynched benefits slightly more because they get confirmed. Only a wolf would look at getting lynched as a worse case scenario, most humans would see it as an equally bad scenario to any other mislynch.
I'm a sneeze away from changing my vote right now.
The log is worth going back and reading. Like I said, I'll post it tomorrow. Going to bed, but I to am considering an egadd lynch, based on the chat we had.
Last night's log:
Spoiler
emcee - Today at 12:58 AM
it's the reason I said what I said
so if you have a beef with that, you have a beef with the formatting guidelines
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:58 AM
Woah hey not the formatting guidelines
Dude - Today at 12:58 AM
Olimar +
FA -
Imo
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:59 AM
Format your sheetz
Dude - Today at 12:59 AM
In ranking
For points in humaness
emcee - Today at 12:59 AM
I still have FA suspicions
Dude - Today at 12:59 AM
That isn't a word
But yeah
emcee - Today at 12:59 AM
not anything concrete, but based off of the potential partnership with E Gadd
emcee - Today at 1:00 AM
Olimar is just usually bad at TWG
Gerik - Today at 1:00 AM
rood
Dude - Today at 1:00 AM
True
emcee - Today at 1:00 AM
he said so though
I think we all know it
Gerik - Today at 1:00 AM
I think assuming someone is going to play bad is a really bad reason to clear someone
Golden Silver - Today at 1:00 AM
I'll be back later.
Olimar12345 - Today at 1:01 AM
I'm not great but I try
Gerik - Today at 1:01 AM
Mostly because I pulled one over on bird by doing exactly that
Olimar12345 - Today at 1:01 AM
:c
emcee - Today at 1:01 AM
we used to have so many good players
Gerik - Today at 1:01 AM
I know :c
emcee - Today at 1:01 AM
and now I'm considered a veteran
at least, I think I am
am I?
Olimar12345 - Today at 1:01 AM
Lol
Gerik - Today at 1:02 AM
I don't consider you or me a veteran
at least at TWG
There was more, but it was mostly FA and noc reminiscing ab out not this game.
Shit discord doesn't copy it all hang on.....
Spoiler
emcee - Yesterday at 10:38 PM
oh
#twg
I don't like this
we can see previous posts
no faking chat logs allowed huh
Olimar12345 - Yesterday at 10:45 PM
I can see previous logs
So noc
emcee - Yesterday at 10:45 PM
wazzup
Olimar12345 - Yesterday at 10:45 PM
You nervous about dying?
emcee - Yesterday at 10:45 PM
haha funny
but I ain't dying
that was clever though I almost said no
props
Olimar12345 - Yesterday at 10:46 PM
emcee - Yesterday at 10:54 PM
do you think FA is a wolf
it seems like I suspect him every game but his logic is all over the place rn
I can't join the voice chat
probably because Microsoft edge
Olimar12345 - Yesterday at 11:37 PM
Not sure about FA, he's a slippery one.
Though his last post was back and forth
But tbh you and dude are making it easy for everyone to cry wolf
emcee - Yesterday at 11:38 PM
yes logic all over the place
I thought so too
Olimar12345 - Yesterday at 11:38 PM
If you are a human then you are fucking us over this phase
mealstrom - Yesterday at 11:39 PM
reading through the whole thread again
Olimar12345 - Yesterday at 11:40 PM
Any thoughts on BDS/tzp?
emcee - Yesterday at 11:41 PM
absolutely none
and it's not me screwing you guys over, it's FA
Olimar12345 - Yesterday at 11:42 PM
It could be
But the way you chose to post was shit
The whole egadd thing was total shit
I don't see that at all
(At least, not from your posts about him)
FA is the next most suspicious person on my list
Then probably dude and a three way tie between the rest
emcee - Yesterday at 11:45 PM
the fact that dude shows suspicion of E gadd makes me less suspicious of him
I think we can all agree that FA should be #1 right now
based off of davy's initial post about him as well as his flip flopping for different people
mealstrom - Yesterday at 11:46 PM
dude is pretty much a loose cannon
who is michael again
emcee - Yesterday at 11:46 PM
I'm michael
and Michael means
well, it means ME
mealstrom - Yesterday at 11:46 PM
stahp
E gad seems weird and jumpy
emcee - Yesterday at 11:47 PM
he's too quick to point out lack of experience
when in reality that's not there
see: partner game
mealstrom - Yesterday at 11:47 PM
BDS only says nebulous things that mean nothing important
emcee - Yesterday at 11:47 PM
only problem is dude being pretty sketch also being suspicious
I've given up on trying with BDS
his tells only show up later in the game
I'm just kinda going through the motions until I can be a special role again tbh
I've been human for like the past 10 TWGs in a row
and they've been really spaced out
kinda boring
E. Gadd Industries - Yesterday at 11:51 PM
I don't know why, but I'm super suspicious of both Oli and BDS
Olimar12345 - Yesterday at 11:52 PM
Michael is noc duh
mealstrom - Yesterday at 11:52 PM
Some games everyone looks human so we just lynch noc
this game everyone looks suspicious
So we just lynch noc apparently\
E. Gadd Industries - Yesterday at 11:53 PM
Well, it isn't like it costs THAT much to the poor human/Poke that gets lynched
mealstrom - Yesterday at 11:53 PM
YES IT IS
WE ONLY HAVE ROOM FOR 2 MISLYNCHES
emcee - Yesterday at 11:53 PM
Some games everyone looks human so we just lynch noc
this game everyone looks suspicious
So we just lynch noc apparently
^^accurate
Olimar12345 - Yesterday at 11:53 PM
Ooooh egadd let's hear about your suspicions about me
E. Gadd Industries - Yesterday at 11:54 PM
;-; really? How?
mealstrom - Yesterday at 11:54 PM
Ok now I'm suspisious of Egad
E. Gadd Industries - Yesterday at 11:54 PM
And huh, someone actually noticed my suspicion post
Olimar12345 - Yesterday at 11:54 PM
Well I mean we're both online
And we've talked about noc all day
I want to hear what you have to say about BDS and me
Since you seem to be the least experienced player (your words, not mine)
(Iirc)
E. Gadd Industries - Yesterday at 11:56 PM
You're correct in saying that I have little experience. I believe least experience, but if not, one of the lowest
Olimar12345 - Yesterday at 11:56 PM
I've got nothing on BDS yet so that will be good too
E. Gadd Industries - Yesterday at 11:56 PM
^^^That's one thing
Amidst all the pointing fingers and such, you both seem to not really be pointing at each other
Olimar12345 - Yesterday at 11:57 PM
That's a good observation
But we could say that about many people
E. Gadd Industries - Yesterday at 11:57 PM
:smile: I did something right!
Who else could we say that about?
emcee - Yesterday at 11:58 PM
me and dude
you and FA
these are the most likely wolf pairings atm
but I'm not a wolf
E. Gadd Industries - Yesterday at 11:58 PM
ME? I've been suspicious of lotsa people XD
emcee - Yesterday at 11:58 PM
so
Olimar12345 - Yesterday at 11:58 PM
Well keeping me, tzp and you are two people that would seem to fit that bill
emcee - Yesterday at 11:59 PM
TZP is giving me a human read- the thing is, he's a very good player
January 1, 2017
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:00 AM
Since I posted that I don't have leads on you (egadd), tzp, and BDS, what makes the relationship between me and BDS stronger than the other possibilities? (Other than one of them being yourself)
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:00 AM
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!
Anyways
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:00 AM
Think about it from a different perspective than your own
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:02 AM
Well, TZP hasn't really been all that active, and I don't think wolves could survive all that well as a team with one not being that active
And then ofc there's me
emcee - Today at 12:03 AM
hatching modest marill
spite
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:03 AM
Inactivity can be an illusion
emcee - Today at 12:03 AM
^
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:03 AM
Tzp was last online yesterday
emcee - Today at 12:03 AM
tzp has been active
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:03 AM
^
Just not very much in public
emcee - Today at 12:04 AM
he's a pretty quiet careful player
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:04 AM
And? He could be watching everything that unfolds
That too
emcee - Today at 12:04 AM
I totally had him figured out during the team game but I made 1 mistake
and he quit
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:04 AM
So that he doesn't screw up (cont from my other post)
emcee - Today at 12:04 AM
yes, he's very careful not to screw up
I guess that means as a wolf he'd be less inclined to make accusations or speak out
mealstrom - Today at 12:05 AM
Going to bed now
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:05 AM
G'night
mealstrom - Today at 12:05 AM
Temp. voted for Egad
emcee - Today at 12:05 AM
wait mael
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:05 AM
I'm about to retire, too
mealstrom - Today at 12:05 AM
watt
emcee - Today at 12:05 AM
you know who Lillie is yes
mealstrom - Today at 12:05 AM
yes
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:05 AM
Being a wolf you wouldn't want to stand from the crowd.
emcee - Today at 12:05 AM
kk
making sure
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:06 AM
Exactly, which is what everyone is trying to do
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:06 AM
*could be trying to do
emcee - Today at 12:06 AM
how long until phase ends
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:06 AM
Tomorrow
About 15 hours iirc
emcee - Today at 12:07 AM
oh jeez
I thought phase was ending tonight
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:07 AM
Lotsa stuff could unfold
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:07 AM
It feels like it should end tonight
Rip
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:08 AM
That would be appropriate, honestly
emcee - Today at 12:08 AM
I feel like I got worse at TWG
I had a golden era of about 15-20 games where I was pro
then I lost it
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:08 AM
I feel like I was never good to begin with
emcee - Today at 12:08 AM
about when I narrowly lost to bubbles for that regional TWG thing
and when I was playing Yugi's mystery game over on LLF
totally destroyed that one by calling out Joey like a pro
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:09 AM
Regional TWG?
emcee - Today at 12:09 AM
eh, it's not important
if you really care about it you can dig around in the TWG thread
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:09 AM
I probably will at some point, but not now
EFitTrainr - Today at 12:10 AM
twig
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:10 AM
Someone call my name?
emcee - Today at 12:10 AM
hi ericschell
EFitTrainr - Today at 12:10 AM
who
emcee - Today at 12:10 AM
oh come on how hard is it to hatch an adamant marill
gone through like 30 eggs already
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:11 AM
Rip
If I get voted, and WHEN I'm cleared, you guys need to Bag me.
emcee - Today at 12:15 AM
why
why bag you
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:15 AM
Because I'll be confirmed human
*Pokemon
Gerik - Today at 12:15 AM
You're not even getting lynched
emcee - Today at 12:15 AM
so is daj though
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:16 AM
Hence, I said "If"
^^To FA
Gerik - Today at 12:16 AM
You've been constantly planning for your lynch dude
emcee - Today at 12:16 AM
ok so discord has terrible terrible chat logs
spaces everywhere
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:17 AM
@FA yes, I have been, because what if?
I'm planning for worst-case scenario
Gerik - Today at 12:17 AM
Worst case scenario is we lynch a human
regardless of whether that human is you or not
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:18 AM
I'm speaking of a personal level WCS
emcee - Today at 12:18 AM
worst case scenario is we lynch me
over you
Gerik - Today at 12:19 AM
It's really wolfy that right now you seem more concerned with your lynch than Noc's right now
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:19 AM
Honestly, it's being to seem like Noc's right. But that may be sleep-deprivation
Als ninja'd
*ALSO
*beginning
Gerik - Today at 12:19 AM
Since humans don't actually die to the lynch that makes no sense anyways
It's not any worse for you to be cleared than another human
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:20 AM
But, Mealstrom said we only have 2 mislynches
In all caps, too. It was slightly terrifying.
Gerik - Today at 12:20 AM
In fact if you're being selfish, you'd want to lynch yourself (hence why I called noc selfish if he's human(
at least over another human
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:21 AM
FA is right. Lynching a human hurts regardless of who it is
But doesn't kill said himan
Also hi fa
Gerik - Today at 12:21 AM
I mean, even saying something like "bag me" is incredibly weird
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:21 AM
^
Gerik - Today at 12:21 AM
since we already have two confirmed humans
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:22 AM
Oh hella
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:22 AM
So what happens to the other confirmed humans?
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:22 AM
?
Gerik - Today at 12:22 AM
they get wolfed
I guess
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:22 AM
What do you mean?
We'll bag two
One being mael
Gerik - Today at 12:22 AM
What we'd do is have people randomly use their second vote between the confirmed human
with one for sure being on mael
emcee - Today at 12:23 AM
this game has so many arbitrary rules and renames
for flavor purposes
it really bothers me
Gerik - Today at 12:23 AM
eh that's why people liked it though
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:23 AM
Meh
Gerik - Today at 12:23 AM
It gives it a lot of personality
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:23 AM
You're game was better imo
emcee - Today at 12:23 AM
I didn't make it look pretty enough
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:23 AM
Less confusing off the bat
Gerik - Today at 12:23 AM
It was a mystery game it could be complete shit for all we know ;3
emcee - Today at 12:23 AM
I think the gimmick is actually pretty interesting
Gerik - Today at 12:24 AM
I dunno if I saw a game with that gimmick not flavored for sun and moon I'd be like "too complicated and weird next"
emcee - Today at 12:24 AM
that's good game design, when you can add a simple twist to add layers of gameplay complexity, not comprehension complexity
Gerik - Today at 12:24 AM
but since it made flavor sense I thought it was pretty cool
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:25 AM
But anyway, egadd: going back 20 pages, you never really explained your great suspicion of BDS
Other than that I didn't currently have suspicions of him
(Which really should mean anything since these things change with time)
Gerik - Today at 12:26 AM
that's a good question
I think I'm changing my vote to E gadd actually
I'm equally suspicous of both ya'll
but I have a history of being wrong with noc
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:26 AM
I can explain it in all these complex reasons and such, but in all honesty, my suspicion of the both of you amounts to one thing:
Instinct
emcee - Today at 12:27 AM
ink rollers man
why do they 1 shot kill
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:27 AM
Boo
emcee - Today at 12:27 AM
everything
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:27 AM
Weak
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:27 AM
I know it is
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:27 AM
Base it off something we can see or relate to
Not superstition
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:27 AM
I can't, if we get right down to the core
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:27 AM
That's not how you twg d:
emcee - Today at 12:28 AM
ink rollers are freaking broken
why can they spray ink too
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:28 AM
^truth
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:28 AM
I don't play Splatoon
Never seemed fun to me
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:28 AM
Noc skype me about playing splatoon sometime
emcee - Today at 12:29 AM
yeah
you me knight and someone else
do a team
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:29 AM
But anyways, eh well. If i get screened, it'll be a mislynch, but I don't care at this point. I'll be wolfed either way, so what's the use trying to argue; I brought this upon myself.
emcee - Today at 12:29 AM
like ink rollers are supposed to be kiteable
but they have better range than half the guns
and my mom is yelling at me to go to bed when it's not even midnight yet ._.
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:31 AM
Is it ok to post the log now?
emcee - Today at 12:31 AM
oh come on olimar
why are you calling me out for switching my vote back
FA was supposed to
Dude - Today at 12:32 AM
Where did the gnome puns go
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:32 AM
Gnome...puns...?
emcee - Today at 12:32 AM
gnomewhere
Dude - Today at 12:32 AM
Olimar
Fix this
Braixen1264 - Today at 12:32 AM
suh
gimme powers
emcee - Today at 12:33 AM
I meant to gift you a ton of league crap for christmas
Dude - Today at 12:33 AM
@Braixen1264 why
emcee - Today at 12:33 AM
but my laptop got taken away at 11:30 on Christmas eve
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:33 AM
Gnomebody move
Dude - Today at 12:34 AM
All of the gnome puns from yesterday are gone
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:34 AM
Welp, I'm going to bed. G'night. Someone else can post the log; I don't know when is ok to do so
Dude - Today at 12:34 AM
Why
Braixen1264 - Today at 12:34 AM
its k you dont need to waste money on me @emcee
emcee - Today at 12:34 AM
dude are you trying in this game
or are you just messing around
Dude - Today at 12:34 AM
Yes
emcee - Today at 12:34 AM
but you don't get Christmas presents and that makes me sad
Braixen1264 - Today at 12:35 AM
my family 2 poor
emcee - Today at 12:35 AM
I hate Christmas and all but I still like giving people things
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:36 AM
Off topic chat elsewhere pls
emcee - Today at 12:36 AM
it makes me feel good about myself therefore it's black motivated and I'm still a bad person
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:36 AM
Noc
And dude
emcee - Today at 12:36 AM
sorry
Dude - Today at 12:36 AM
@Olimar12345 but seriously
emcee - Today at 12:36 AM
kinda feels like TWG chat is over though you know?
Dude - Today at 12:36 AM
I didn't save them
emcee - Today at 12:36 AM
like we'll all go to bed soon n stuff
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:37 AM
General char
Dude - Today at 12:37 AM
I wanted you to post it in the chat logs
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:37 AM
Chat
Golden Silver - Today at 12:37 AM
Hello.
Braixen1264 - Today at 12:37 AM
#general
Dude - Today at 12:37 AM
Hi
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:38 AM
But Noc, I guess I apologize about calling your egadd suspicions shit. Here in the chat he's been pretty squirrelly.
Golden Silver - Today at 12:38 AM
Summary or chat log?
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:38 AM
Although I could not see this from your posts
Gerik - Today at 12:39 AM
same honestly
emcee - Today at 12:39 AM
I accept your apology
Dude - Today at 12:39 AM
Why is the history deleted
It's annoying
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:39 AM
Egadd suspected you (BDS) and me being wolf partners on the grounds that I didn't suspect you being a wolf and that he had strong "instincts" pointing that way.(edited)
Gerik - Today at 12:39 AM
Although you did start talking about it before he was really acting up
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:39 AM
Wait realty??
emcee - Today at 12:39 AM
are there any reasons for a FA/E Gadd partnership to not exist
Golden Silver - Today at 12:40 AM
Who's Gerik?
emcee - Today at 12:40 AM
FA
Gerik - Today at 12:40 AM
FireArrow
emcee - Today at 12:40 AM
that's his first name
EFitTrainr - Today at 12:40 AM
No
I'm Gerik
Gerik - Today at 12:40 AM
oh my
emcee - Today at 12:40 AM
pronounced "GAY-ruck" like the magic card
Dude - Today at 12:40 AM
Is shadowkirby even playing
Gerik - Today at 12:40 AM
GAIR-ruck shush u
emcee - Today at 12:40 AM
or probably more like "GAIR-uck"
EFitTrainr - Today at 12:40 AM
Actually it's pronounced Eric
the G is silent
Gerik - Today at 12:41 AM
lmao
EFitTrainr - Today at 12:41 AM
If I am playing I'm not being active
emcee - Today at 12:41 AM
but the magic card is spelled Garruck
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:41 AM
No he isn't
Spam elsewhere pls
EFitTrainr - Today at 12:41 AM
ok
Dude - Today at 12:41 AM
Yes pls
Golden Silver - Today at 12:41 AM
So does E. Gadd suspect me, and did he say why? Your message seemed to suggest that, and I'm curious what he has to say about that.
Gerik - Today at 12:41 AM
Golden Silver = BDS?
Golden Silver - Today at 12:41 AM
Yep.
Dude - Today at 12:41 AM
Ye
Gerik - Today at 12:42 AM
Holy Crap you were of llf this whole time and I had no idea
Dude - Today at 12:42 AM
Me?
Gerik - Today at 12:42 AM
no BDS
Dude - Today at 12:42 AM
Oh
Gerik - Today at 12:42 AM
I mean you probably are too and I had no idea
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:42 AM
@BDS he couldn't say.
Gerik - Today at 12:42 AM
but ye
emcee - Today at 12:42 AM
yes they are on LLF
Golden Silver - Today at 12:42 AM
@Olimar That does seem rather odd.
Overall, do you think it warrants a change in vote, or is Noc still the best option in your opinion?
emcee - Today at 12:43 AM
I initially voted for myself because I expected the regular noc rush to happen and I thought, hey! I can work with this because I physically can't die!
but then I came to the correct conclusion that voting for yourself as a seering is in fact not helpful
Dude - Today at 12:44 AM
I changed because peer pressure
emcee - Today at 12:44 AM
but then FA went and voted for me and I thought phase was ending soon so I was like OK LET'S DO IT
Dude - Today at 12:44 AM
Though I still firmly believe noc is good
emcee - Today at 12:44 AM
but then phase isn't ending soon so there's time for more people to notice E Gadd's slight oddness
:heart: dude
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:45 AM
@BDS I'm tempted, but tbh Noc dude and egadd are all playing pretty badly
Rip human victory
emcee - Today at 12:45 AM
hey what
I don't play badly
I just play on an elevated level
Dude - Today at 12:45 AM
Is it really?
I think it's pretty easy
emcee - Today at 12:45 AM
you guys aren't up to me yet
you think FA+E Gadd right
Dude - Today at 12:45 AM
Totally
emcee - Today at 12:46 AM
that's the easiest pairing to jump to
Dude - Today at 12:46 AM
I thought that since the beginning
emcee - Today at 12:46 AM
but I'm not 100% sure it's correct
Dude - Today at 12:46 AM
I'm pretty sure of egadd
emcee - Today at 12:46 AM
I don't have a suspicion list sorted out yet but
oh yeah I was pretty sure of e gadd until you were sure of e gadd
then I started doubting myself
Golden Silver - Today at 12:46 AM
Eh, I guess that could make sense.
Dude - Today at 12:46 AM
Wow thanks
Golden Silver - Today at 12:46 AM
If we find out that you're human, I might trust you more.
emcee - Today at 12:47 AM
see there's the issue
it's the other humans causing the problem
not me
Gerik - Today at 12:47 AM
I'm not sure why you think I'm a shoe in for Egadds partner
Dude - Today at 12:47 AM
The thing is we don't have time
emcee - Today at 12:47 AM
"let's get a seering on noc"
Gerik - Today at 12:47 AM
It's certaintly possible but I have been giving him some spotlight
Golden Silver - Today at 12:47 AM
You've been acting pretty shady though, Noc; I'd say this is trust that you definitely need to earn.
emcee - Today at 12:47 AM
apparently I need to earn my trust every game
Golden Silver - Today at 12:48 AM
Because you act shady!
emcee - Today at 12:48 AM
at least shadowkirby seers me night 1 when he's playing
he does it right
Dude - Today at 12:48 AM
I feel like you're always killed for no reason
emcee - Today at 12:48 AM
I am
Dude - Today at 12:48 AM
Yeah
emcee - Today at 12:48 AM
it's not that I'm acting suspicious every game and get killed, it's that I'm forming opinions early on and it's easy for the wolves to get me
Dude - Today at 12:49 AM
Yep
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:49 AM
But you literally threw egadd under the bus for so long without telling anyone ehy
Why
emcee - Today at 12:49 AM
uh... no I didn't
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:49 AM
And then when you did it was just a shitpost
Golden Silver - Today at 12:49 AM
You need to explain your opinions before people can believe you though!
Gerik - Today at 12:49 AM
(that was dude olimar, but yeah)
emcee - Today at 12:49 AM
I was like "hey I've been noticing E Gadd being weird in some spots, I should point it out"
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:49 AM
We all didn't start switching to him until he started posting here on discord
emcee - Today at 12:49 AM
and I finally got onto a computer
Dude - Today at 12:50 AM
Idk how to explain
emcee - Today at 12:50 AM
and made some bigger posts, one pointing out suspicion of E Gadd and the other dismantling FA's arguments for anything
Dude - Today at 12:50 AM
He's just weird
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:50 AM
Oh whoops
emcee - Today at 12:50 AM
but not necessarily pointing out suspicion of him
my biggest issue is now it really looks like dude and I are troll/wolf hybrid partners
which, as much as I love dude, I'm not entirely comfortable with that
Dude - Today at 12:51 AM
I mean I'd like for the Pokemon to win
Gerik - Today at 12:52 AM
I don't think you and dude are partners tbh
It's like
way too obvious to be true
if that makes sense
emcee - Today at 12:52 AM
I think our playstyles have somehow become super similar
probably because of that mason game where we were the masons
and we notice the same things
Dude - Today at 12:53 AM
It's the autism
;)
emcee - Today at 12:53 AM
:stuck_out_tongue:
and tbh I'd still trust you even if you were a confirmed wolf
because I owe you for telling me you were the seer point blank
back in my debut TWG
Gerik - Today at 12:54 AM
Noc, can you explain your "slip up" about saying your PM made you green?
emcee - Today at 12:54 AM
what slipup
Gerik - Today at 12:55 AM
You said you were green because your PM said you were
and you started color coding everyone that was human green
emcee - Today at 12:55 AM
green meaning human
Gerik - Today at 12:55 AM
fair enough
emcee - Today at 12:55 AM
sorry I don't abide by your silly color rules dudeman
but they're silly and insignificant
Gerik - Today at 12:55 AM
I mean that's the right answer
Dude - Today at 12:55 AM
Frivolous
emcee - Today at 12:55 AM
^
Gerik - Today at 12:55 AM
and it was the only thing keeping me from voting e gadd
emcee - Today at 12:55 AM
that's the word
Gerik - Today at 12:55 AM
so idk anymore
emcee - Today at 12:56 AM
seriously?
Dude - Today at 12:56 AM
Ur welcome
emcee - Today at 12:56 AM
you were suspicious of me because of phrasing
Gerik - Today at 12:56 AM
It's what put you over the edge
emcee - Today at 12:56 AM
because I'm using traditional TWG slang
Gerik - Today at 12:56 AM
where you guys would otherwise be equal in my eyes
emcee - Today at 12:56 AM
instead of the assigned rules
it's like fank saying "scum"
you don't get after him for that
Gerik - Today at 12:56 AM
No, traditional TWG slang is using the colors posted in the OP
You don't color code the seer as green for instance just because he's human
emcee - Today at 12:57 AM
I color coded mael as blue
because he's a special role
even though he's black in the OP
because I like using traditional TWG coloring
Green for human, blue for special human, red for wolf/traitor, orange for independent
it makes reading much easier
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:58 AM
I can see that
That's what i did for the confirmed ones in my post
emcee - Today at 12:58 AM
it's the reason I said what I said
so if you have a beef with that, you have a beef with the formatting guidelines
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:58 AM
Woah hey not the formatting guidelines
Dude - Today at 12:58 AM
Olimar +
FA -
Imo
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:59 AM
Format your sheetz
Dude - Today at 12:59 AM
In ranking
For points in humaness
emcee - Today at 12:59 AM
I still have FA suspicions
Dude - Today at 12:59 AM
That isn't a word
But yeah
emcee - Today at 12:59 AM
not anything concrete, but based off of the potential partnership with E Gadd
emcee - Today at 1:00 AM
Olimar is just usually bad at TWG
Gerik - Today at 1:00 AM
rood
Dude - Today at 1:00 AM
True
emcee - Today at 1:00 AM
he said so though
I think we all know it
Gerik - Today at 1:00 AM
I think assuming someone is going to play bad is a really bad reason to clear someone
Golden Silver - Today at 1:00 AM
I'll be back later.
Olimar12345 - Today at 1:01 AM
I'm not great but I try
Gerik - Today at 1:01 AM
Mostly because I pulled one over on bird by doing exactly that
Olimar12345 - Today at 1:01 AM
:c
emcee - Today at 1:01 AM
we used to have so many good players
Gerik - Today at 1:01 AM
I know :c
emcee - Today at 1:01 AM
and now I'm considered a veteran
at least, I think I am
am I?
Olimar12345 - Today at 1:01 AM
Lol
Gerik - Today at 1:02 AM
I don't consider you or me a veteran
at least at TWG
There
Quadruple post:
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 31, 2016, 11:22:46 PMGoing to bed, but I to am considering an egadd lynch, based on the chat we had.
I think I'm going to keep my vote on
Noc. I'm not dismissing Egadd's hella fishyness, but I think I would feel better knowing what noc is rather than dealing with another round not knowing. Plus, with the way Egadd is going, I wouldn't mind another cycle getting to see what he posts.
TWG XCIII: Get in the Fucking Bag
Game starts on a Day phase. Each Day phase, every player votes for a player to send to Looker for screening. If that player is a bad guy, Looker puts them in the Ultra Wormhole FOREVER (they ded). Otherwise, the player is sent back and nothing happens. At Night, the Bad Guys can try to capture (wolf) one player. At the same time, each player will vote via PM for two players to put in the Bag. Players put in the Bag will not be wolfed at the end of the Night phase, and will be publicly announced at the beginning of the next Day phase. Bagged players also cannot be sent for screening. Wolves start out with 0 Bagging votes, but will gain two votes collectively for each Human they capture. If they capture Lillie, the Bag will only have one open spot on the next Night Phase (this cannot occur two Night Phases in a row; capturing Lillie twice in a row will do nothing). Bagged Pokemon exit the Bag at the start of the next Night phase.
Bad Guys (Wolves):
Wolves know each other.
1. Lusamine: Has memory problems and can't remember who Lillie is. She's a President-type human so her screening votes can count for two, but only if she PM's the host stating so each Day phase.
2. Ya Boi Guzma: Every Night phase, he can get Team Skull to check what Pokémon a player is. They're not that smart, so all they can get is the color.
Pokémon:
3. Exeggutor: Its neck is so long that it takes up an extra spot in the Bag and the other Pokémon is forced out (at random, if the Bag has three spots). The first time this occurs, the other Pokémon becomes so confused that it cannot be captured that phase.
4. Metapod: Metapod's just here to make the game harder.
5. Toucannon: Angry. Very angry. Angery reacts only.
6. Nebby: Pokémon lose if Nebby is captured.
7. Mimikyu: Mimikyu creates a realm of spoopy scary shadows inside the Bag that it hides the other Pokémon in (chosen at random, if the Bag has an extra spot). This lets the Bag keep both spots if Lillie is captured, but spoops the Pokémon so bad that they refuse to go in the Bag for the rest of the game. Unless it's Nebby, 'cause then the game would break.
8. Dugtrio: HEYYEYAAEYAAAEYAEYAA
9. Popplio: The starter nobody wanted. Capturing Popplio causes Lillie to have an extra spot in her Bag the next Night phase.
Lillie:
10. Lillie: Is told who Nebby is. She's a super important character with plot relevance so she's told how many of each color of player are left at the end of each Night phase.
Things that will be announced in the thread:
1. Popplio decided to go back to the "Pending Designs" pile where it belongs. An extra spot opened in the Bag! (Day after Popplio's capture)
2. [player] hid in the Bag's shadows and refuses to GET BACK IN THE FUCKING BAG! (Day after Mimikyu is Bagged)
3. Exeggutor's neck defies explanation! It forced a Pokémon out of the Bag! (Day after Exeggutor is Bagged)
Wolves win when Nebby is captured.
Humans win when both Wolves die.
Nebby wins if it never gets put in the Bag.
Everybody loses if somebody forgets to capitalize the words Bag, Bagging, Bagged, etc.
1. davy
2. NocturneOfShadow
3. Maelstrom
4. BlackDragonSlayer
5. TheZeldaPianist275
6. dajwxp
7. Olimar12345
8. Dude
9. FireArrow
10. E. Gadd Industries
NocturneOfShadow was screened by Looker. Looker says he's a pretty okay guy. NocturneOfShadow has not been lynched.
It is now Night 2. dajwxp and Maelstrom have exited the Bag. Night 2 will end in 24 hours, or approximately 1 PM PST on 1/2/17. Remember to PM the host (me) with your two picks for Bagging.
Dammit noc why do you do this
ugh
Sorry noc. Obviously we should bag maelstrom, but I think the best course of action for our second bagging is to randomly select either noc or daj. If it's random, there's a chance the wolves won't hit anyone with their wolfing. If this happens, we get another mislynch, which pretty much garuntees our victory. If it fails, well, then it's the same result if we all voted for one of them.
I would bag daj as he wasn't anyone who could kick maelstrom out
Also, egadd and Olimar are my top picks for checking tomorrow
Quote from: Dude on January 01, 2017, 01:24:00 PMI would bag daj as he wasn't anyone who could kick maelstrom out
Nebby can't be kicked out of the bag so we're good.
What about Exeggutor
Quote3. Exeggutor: Its neck is so long that it takes up an extra spot in the Bag and the other Pokémon is forced out (at random, if the Bag has three spots). The first time this occurs, the other Pokémon becomes so confused that it cannot be captured that phase.
The pokemon can't be captured on the night that they're kicked out. If this happened we'd be informed and wouldn't bag exeggutor again.
I definitely thought we were switching over to e gadd
Quote from: FireArrow on January 01, 2017, 01:18:19 PMSorry noc. Obviously we should bag maelstrom, but I think the best course of action for our second bagging is to randomly select either noc or daj. If it's random, there's a chance the wolves won't hit anyone with their wolfing. If this happens, we get another mislynch, which pretty much garuntees our victory. If it fails, well, then it's the same result if we all voted for one of them.
...or the wolves could kill literally anyone else. Since they know each other, they know that literally everyone else is free game. twg 101
Quote from: Olimar12345 on January 01, 2017, 01:50:17 PM...or the wolves could kill literally anyone else. Since they know each other, they know that literally everyone else is free game. twg 101
That's good - it means we go into the next lynch with more confirmed humans.
If you want my opinion, the wolves will likely not kill anyone who voted for me, since it's more likely half of those votes were wolf votes
Quote from: FireArrow on January 01, 2017, 01:51:38 PMThat's good - it means we go into the next lynch with more confirmed humans.
^yeah I'd rather the wolves be forced to shoot someone we don't yet know of to make it easier for us.
Quote from: Dude on January 01, 2017, 01:25:21 PMAlso, egadd and Olimar are my top picks for checking tomorrow
Okay, I get that my vote staying on noc was not a good move in hindsight, but lets look at the stats again:
Egadd (dude, noc, mael)
Noc (egadd, daj, bds, olimar, fa)
At best me moving my vote could have been a kitb. Remember that one of the wolves gets two lynch votes, so they would have had to vote egadd as well to change that. Also notice how TZP didn't even vote, despite being online with plenty of time to do so. Saying that my suspicious-ness spawned from voting on noc means that bds, fa, and tzp must have also gained that same suspicious-ness. (hell, even daj voted for noc d: )
Quote from: FireArrow on January 01, 2017, 01:51:38 PMThat's good - it means we go into the next lynch with more confirmed humans.
Ooooh I get it. Them hitting a regular would be like us confirming another human. Well, if we all do a random vote between noc and daj, wouldn't there be a chance that it fails? With the wolf's increasing vote influence, they could both vote for the same person and add to the random human votes for that candidate, then wolf the opposite person (if that makes sense).
So... correct me if I'm wrong...
Right now, the wolves have one Bag vote each, yes? If they get someone else tonight, this will increase to two each, and that's the max they'll get? And then, they would be able to control the game. Because 10 players - 2 = 8 (obviously), and 6 being human. So if the wolves vote for the same for Bagging, that would be 4 votes against 6.
...wait... I'm confusing myself. This is correct, yes?
Quote from: Dude on January 01, 2017, 01:25:21 PMAlso, egadd and Olimar are my top picks for checking tomorrow
Agree with E. Gadd, but I'd hesitantly add FireArrow as an alternative to Olimar.
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on January 01, 2017, 02:20:26 PMSo... correct me if I'm wrong...
Right now, the wolves have one Bag vote each, yes? If they get someone else tonight, this will increase to two each, and that's the max they'll get? And then, they would be able to control the game. Because 10 players - 2 = 8 (obviously), and 6 being human. So if the wolves vote for the same for Bagging, that would be 4 votes against 6.
...wait... I'm confusing myself. This is correct, yes?
I am confused, so let me try to explain this and see if we're both on the same page here:
10 players - 1 dead davy = 9 players. Because of davy's death, both wolves get one vote, but human players get two votes. All human players will default vote for mael (nebby), so there will be 7 remaining votes, plus our two wolf votes bringing us to 9 that will go towards the random vote. There are two candidates: daj and noc. Lets say that the human players vote as evenly as possible: noc: 3 and daj: 4 (example). If the wolves both vote for the same person, then wolf the other option, they succeed because it would be either noc: 5 daj: 4 (wolf daj) or noc: 3 daj: 6 (wolf noc). The only way this plan works is if we all vote randomly and it doesn't come out even at all.
something like this?
Sort of. We all vote randomly using random.org and that gives us a 23% chance of causing the wolves to hit no one if they try and wolf a confirmed human. They aren't the most amazing odds, but it's better than the alternative of just leaving either daj or noc to die.
randomly being between noc and daj of course
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on January 01, 2017, 02:23:16 PMAgree with E. Gadd, but I'd hesitantly add FireArrow as an alternative to Olimar.
Right now I'm thinking E Gadd and/or TZP. Inactivity is really scaring me right now because noc and e gadd are acting beyond suspicous so in the now more likely case that they're both human the wolves win for free by by letting humans kill themselves.
Quote from: FireArrow on January 01, 2017, 03:07:27 PMSort of. We all vote randomly using random.org and that gives us a 23% chance of causing the wolves to hit no one if they try and wolf a confirmed human. They aren't the most amazing odds, but it's better than the alternative of just leaving either daj or noc to die.
23% chance for the humans, 50% chance for the guessing wolves : /
Quote from: FireArrow on January 01, 2017, 03:11:08 PMRight now I'm thinking E Gadd and/or TZP. Inactivity is really scaring me right now because noc and e gadd are acting beyond suspicous so in the now more likely case that they're both human the wolves win for free by by letting humans kill themselves.
noc is confirmed human though, that should just be egadd now.
I don't like this. Let's just vote 4 me
stfu noc, it's because of you we're in this mess.
Okay. I guess I was considering each human vote for two people as one collective vote. Yeah, Oli, your post makes sense.
So each wolf vote would look something like "<player> into the Bag" as opposed to the human "<player> & <player> into the Bag", yes?
Ninja'd
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on January 01, 2017, 03:26:42 PMSo each wolf vote would look something like "<player> into the Bag" as opposed to the human "<player> & <player> into the Bag", yes?
well yeah, but it is a pm to the host, so its not like we get to see this : /
Quote from: Olimar12345 on January 01, 2017, 03:13:27 PM23% chance for the humans, 50% chance for the guessing wolves : /
No. Statistically if we vote randomly between daj and noc and the wolves cast 2 votes on one and wolf the other, then there's a 23% chance that the wolves will kill no one and a 77% chance that the wolves will kill a confirmed human. If we all vote for one of noc/daj, then there's a 100% chance the the wolves kill a confirmed human.
A random second vote between daj/noc is strictly the best plan. It gives us a chance of completely nullifying the wolves tonight or making them play safe and lynching an unconfirmed human.
Quotenoc is confirmed human though, that should just be egadd now.
No, it doesn't change the fact that noc used up one of our lynches by acting avoidably suspicous, which is the reason I'm suspicous of TZP. He just straight up doesn't post because he knows we're going to lynch E Gadd and Noc before we move on to inactives. Noc being confirmed now isn't relevant to the point I was making.
also I can't spell suspicious please kill me
I told you all I was a human. This is not my fault and trying to blame me for you all wanting to lynch me is unproductive
Okay. I understand now.
Well, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go insane from coloring now. (Homework project thing)
^^In response to Olimar
Quote from: FireArrow on January 01, 2017, 03:29:36 PMNo. Statistically if we vote randomly between daj and noc and the wolves cast 2 votes on one and wolf the other, then there's a 23% chance that the wolves will kill no one and a 77% chance that the wolves will kill a confirmed human. If we all vote for one of noc/daj, then there's a 100% chance the the wolves kill a confirmed human.
I said 50% because there are only two options to choose from: voting noc/wolfing daj or voting daj/wolfing noc. (there would be no need to vote for and wolf the same choice). In this regard, they would just need to flip a coin.
Quote from: FireArrow on January 01, 2017, 03:29:36 PMA random second vote between daj/noc is strictly the best plan. It gives us a chance of completely nullifying the wolves tonight or making them play safe and lynching an unconfirmed human.
It isn't really the "best" plan, it's really our
only choice : /
Quote from: FireArrow on January 01, 2017, 03:29:36 PMNo, it doesn't change the fact that noc used up one of our lynches by acting avoidably suspicous, which is the reason I'm suspicous of TZP. He just straight up doesn't post because he knows we're going to lynch E Gadd and Noc before we move on to inactives. Noc being confirmed now isn't relevant to the point I was making.
I see now, miscommunication. Although noc
as a player can now be disregarded since they are confirmed.
Ninjad:
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on January 01, 2017, 03:32:57 PMI told you all I was a human. This is not my fault and trying to blame me for you all wanting to lynch me is unproductive
You are the only one to blame for how you play. maybe next time don't be hella sketch and try to be more helpful?
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on January 01, 2017, 03:32:57 PMI told you all I was a human. This is not my fault and trying to blame me for you all wanting to lynch me is unproductive
As it is said: Show, don't tell.
Fun story: there are parts of Wisconsin that have literally no reception of any kind. Just got back from an NYE party, everyone, so sorry for the radio silence. Reading the thread now.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on January 01, 2017, 02:23:16 PMAgree with E. Gadd, but I'd hesitantly add FireArrow as an alternative to Olimar.
fa is third for me too as my suspicion isn't quite gone yet.
Dude, your suspicion of me is only based on my last vote. If anything, it makes you look like you're trying to waste another lynch on me and avoid the fact that you have been about as helpful as noc so far.
It looked more like you were protecting e gadd tho but whatever
Would kitbs be announced?
@Dudeman
Wow, at each other's throats. This got intense.
Suspicion list/comments:
9-7. TZP, daj, & Noc: Noc, you realize this is a game predicated on deception, right? Saying "I'm human" is not a valid argument, because everyone can say it, and two people will be lying. I'm not sure that you realize that FA's and Olimar's points against you were valid and that repeating "I'm innocent" ad nauseam convinces no one. More confirmed humans, though.
6. Maelstrom: obviously. Literally nothing suspicious.
5. FA: being consistently logical and helpful. While davy was alive, I think his wariness of you was validated, but since then you've contributed so much more and I really don't see any of your behavior as fishy.
4. Dude: I don't know....? I'm finding it hard to get a read
3. BDS: Same as above, but I'm more suspicious of you because it's more out of character for you to be as quiet as you have. You're just not talking that much
2. Olimar: big jump up here. I feel like you're playing identically to last game, i.e. frequently saying reasonably obvious things without too strong of a lead and occasionally acting jumpy when someone mentions a suspicion of you.
1. E. Gadd: see FA's post on page 11. Most of your behavior strikes me as a somewhat inexperienced wolf. You seem like you're trying to be okay with getting Lookered while not putting yourself out there that much.
Quote from: Dude on January 01, 2017, 04:28:28 PMfa is third for me too as my suspicion isn't quite gone yet.
wow, I read this totally incorrectly (I need a break from the computer for a while...). Thought you said this:
Quote from: Dude on January 01, 2017, 04:28:28 PMfa is third for me too as my suspicion of olimar isn't quite gone yet.
9___9
Quote from: Dude on January 01, 2017, 04:43:11 PMIt looked more like you were protecting e gadd tho but whatever
Reread the log, I was keeping the spotlight on him throughout the chat (while he was there). I even flat out told him that his reasonings were shit. Here are some highlights:
Quote from: Olimar12345 on January 01, 2017, 11:16:40 AMSpoiler
E. Gadd Industries - Yesterday at 11:51 PM
I don't know why, but I'm super suspicious of both Oli and BDS
Olimar12345 - Yesterday at 11:53 PM
Ooooh egadd let's hear about your suspicions about me
E. Gadd Industries - Yesterday at 11:54 PM
And huh, someone actually noticed my suspicion post
Olimar12345 - Yesterday at 11:54 PM
Well I mean we're both online
And we've talked about noc all day
I want to hear what you have to say about BDS and me
Since you seem to be the least experienced player (your words, not mine)
(Iirc)
E. Gadd Industries - Yesterday at 11:56 PM
You're correct in saying that I have little experience. I believe least experience, but if not, one of the lowest
Olimar12345 - Yesterday at 11:56 PM
I've got nothing on BDS yet so that will be good too
E. Gadd Industries - Yesterday at 11:56 PM
^^^That's one thing
Amidst all the pointing fingers and such, you both seem to not really be pointing at each other
Olimar12345 - Yesterday at 11:57 PM
That's a good observation
But we could say that about many people
E. Gadd Industries - Yesterday at 11:57 PM
:smile: I did something right!
Who else could we say that about?
emcee - Yesterday at 11:58 PM
me and dude
you and FA
these are the most likely wolf pairings atm
but I'm not a wolf
E. Gadd Industries - Yesterday at 11:58 PM
ME? I've been suspicious of lotsa people XD
emcee - Yesterday at 11:58 PM
so
Olimar12345 - Yesterday at 11:58 PM
Well keeping me, tzp and you are two people that would seem to fit that bill
emcee - Yesterday at 11:59 PM
TZP is giving me a human read- the thing is, he's a very good player
January 1, 2017
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:00 AM
Since I posted that I don't have leads on you (egadd), tzp, and BDS, what makes the relationship between me and BDS stronger than the other possibilities? (Other than one of them being yourself)
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:00 AM
Think about it from a different perspective than your own
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:02 AM
Well, TZP hasn't really been all that active, and I don't think wolves could survive all that well as a team with one not being that active
And then ofc there's me
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:03 AM
Inactivity can be an illusion
emcee - Today at 12:03 AM
^
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:03 AM
Tzp was last online yesterday
emcee - Today at 12:03 AM
tzp has been active
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:03 AM
^
Just not very much in public
emcee - Today at 12:04 AM
he's a pretty quiet careful player
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:04 AM
And? He could be watching everything that unfolds
That too
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:04 AM
So that he doesn't screw up (cont from my other post)
emcee - Today at 12:04 AM
yes, he's very careful not to screw up
I guess that means as a wolf he'd be less inclined to make accusations or speak out
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:05 AM
Being a wolf you wouldn't want to stand from the crowd.
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:06 AM
Exactly, which is what everyone is trying to do
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:06 AM
*could be trying to do
later
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:11 AM
Rip
If I get voted, and WHEN I'm cleared, you guys need to Bag me.
emcee - Today at 12:15 AM
why
why bag you
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:15 AM
Because I'll be confirmed human
*Pokemon
Gerik - Today at 12:15 AM
You're not even getting lynched
emcee - Today at 12:15 AM
so is daj though
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:16 AM
Hence, I said "If"
^^To FA
Gerik - Today at 12:16 AM
You've been constantly planning for your lynch dude
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:17 AM
@FA yes, I have been, because what if?
I'm planning for worst-case scenario
Gerik - Today at 12:17 AM
Worst case scenario is we lynch a human
regardless of whether that human is you or not
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:18 AM
I'm speaking of a personal level WCS
emcee - Today at 12:18 AM
worst case scenario is we lynch me
over you
Gerik - Today at 12:19 AM
It's really wolfy that right now you seem more concerned with your lynch than Noc's right now
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:19 AM
Honestly, it's being to seem like Noc's right. But that may be sleep-deprivation
Als ninja'd
*ALSO
*beginning
Gerik - Today at 12:19 AM
Since humans don't actually die to the lynch that makes no sense anyways
It's not any worse for you to be cleared than another human
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:20 AM
But, Mealstrom said we only have 2 mislynches
In all caps, too. It was slightly terrifying.
Gerik - Today at 12:20 AM
In fact if you're being selfish, you'd want to lynch yourself (hence why I called noc selfish if he's human(
at least over another human
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:21 AM
FA is right. Lynching a human hurts regardless of who it is
But doesn't kill said himan
Also hi fa
Gerik - Today at 12:21 AM
I mean, even saying something like "bag me" is incredibly weird
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:21 AM
^
Gerik - Today at 12:21 AM
since we already have two confirmed humans
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:22 AM
Oh hella
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:22 AM
So what happens to the other confirmed humans?
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:22 AM
?
Gerik - Today at 12:22 AM
they get wolfed
I guess
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:22 AM
What do you mean?
We'll bag two
One being mael
Gerik - Today at 12:22 AM
What we'd do is have people randomly use their second vote between the confirmed human
with one for sure being on mael
emcee - Today at 12:23 AM
this game has so many arbitrary rules and renames
for flavor purposes
it really bothers me
Gerik - Today at 12:23 AM
eh that's why people liked it though
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:23 AM
Meh
Gerik - Today at 12:23 AM
It gives it a lot of personality
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:23 AM
You're game was better imo
emcee - Today at 12:23 AM
I didn't make it look pretty enough
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:23 AM
Less confusing off the bat
Gerik - Today at 12:23 AM
It was a mystery game it could be complete shit for all we know ;3
emcee - Today at 12:23 AM
I think the gimmick is actually pretty interesting
Gerik - Today at 12:24 AM
I dunno if I saw a game with that gimmick not flavored for sun and moon I'd be like "too complicated and weird next"
emcee - Today at 12:24 AM
that's good game design, when you can add a simple twist to add layers of gameplay complexity, not comprehension complexity
Gerik - Today at 12:24 AM
but since it made flavor sense I thought it was pretty cool
Don't forget this:
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:25 AM
But anyway, egadd: going back 20 pages, you never really explained your great suspicion of BDS
Other than that I didn't currently have suspicions of him
(Which really should mean anything since these things change with time)
Gerik - Today at 12:26 AM
that's a good question
I think I'm changing my vote to E gadd actually
I'm equally suspicous of both ya'll
but I have a history of being wrong with noc
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:26 AM
I can explain it in all these complex reasons and such, but in all honesty, my suspicion of the both of you amounts to one thing:
Instinct
emcee - Today at 12:27 AM
ink rollers man
why do they 1 shot kill
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:27 AM
Boo
emcee - Today at 12:27 AM
everything
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:27 AM
Weak
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:27 AM
I know it is
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:27 AM
Base it off something we can see or relate to
Not superstition
E. Gadd Industries - Today at 12:27 AM
I can't, if we get right down to the core
Olimar12345 - Today at 12:27 AM
That's not how you twg d:
Oh god ninjad some more ughhhh
Yayyy tzp is alive
Quote from: Olimar12345 on January 01, 2017, 04:58:31 PMReread the log, I was keeping the spotlight on him throughout the chat (while he was there). I even flat out told him that his reasonings were shit. Here are some highlights:
Note that I agreed my rationale was crap.
Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on January 01, 2017, 04:50:36 PM3. BDS: Same as above, but I'm more suspicious of you because it's more out of character for you to be as quiet as you have. You're just not talking that much
I think it's fairly average for me. On LLF at least, there were entire games where I didn't even use the chat, and only made a few minor posts and a couple larger posts; in games with even less activity, it's harder to post
more than what I've already said. Plus laziness.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on January 01, 2017, 04:58:31 PMReread the log, I was keeping the spotlight on him throughout the chat (while he was there). I even flat out told him that his reasonings were shit. Here are some highlights:
wouldn't that be more of a reason to vote him to be checked?
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on January 01, 2017, 06:51:37 PMI think it's fairly average for me. On LLF at least, there were entire games where I didn't even use the chat, and only made a few minor posts and a couple larger posts; in games with even less activity, it's harder to post more than what I've already said. Plus laziness.
This game is pretty active though.
I still need to send in my PMs. One on mael, but what's the second one? Are we going through with the random plan even though it's terrible?
Quote from: Dude on January 01, 2017, 08:19:06 PMwouldn't that be more of a reason to vote him to be checked?
Yeah, but I'd hate to waste a lynch on Egadd if he comes back as another human... I thought noc was playing badly and voted for him and don't feel like repeating that mistake. I'd rather wait to see what Egadd does next before I solidify my next vote on him.
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on January 01, 2017, 08:37:03 PMI still need to send in my PMs. One on mael, but what's the second one? Are we going through with the random plan even though it's terrible?
Yes, we are. Terrible or not, it's the only thing we can really do.
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on January 01, 2017, 08:37:03 PMI still need to send in my PMs. One on mael, but what's the second one? Are we going through with the random plan even though it's terrible?
To be perfectly honest, there's nothing terrible about the "random plan". It forces the wolves to choose between an uncertain kill on a confirmed human, or a definite kill on an unconfirmed human. Objectively speaking, this is a dominant strategy.
To parse, in case you're only kind of paying attention:
vote for Maelstrom and flip a coin for Noc and Daj.Dudeman, couple relevant questions on the rules.
Quote from: Dudeman on December 27, 2016, 12:26:10 PMIf they capture Lillie, the Bag will only have one open spot on the next Night Phase (this cannot occur two Night Phases in a row; capturing Lillie twice in a row will do nothing).
1. What does it mean for Lillie to be captured two times in a row? Doesn't capture=wolf in your game's lingo?
Quote from: Dudeman on December 27, 2016, 12:26:10 PM3. Exeggutor: Its neck is so long that it takes up an extra spot in the Bag and the other Pokémon is forced out (at random, if the Bag has three spots). The first time this occurs, the other Pokémon becomes so confused that it cannot be captured that phase.
2. Correct me if I'm wrong: say we bag Noc tonight, and he turns out to be Exeggutor. This then means that Maelstrom would be forced out, and able to be lynched the next day phase? But then you say the other Pokémon becomes so confused that it cannot be captured. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of Exeggutor forcing the other Pokemon out, then?
I think that's all for now, although I'm still not super clear on how Mimikyu works.
Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on January 01, 2017, 04:50:36 PM2. Olimar: big jump up here. I feel like you're playing identically to last game, i.e. frequently saying reasonably obvious things without too strong of a lead and occasionally acting jumpy when someone mentions a suspicion of you.
Is anyone familiar with Olimar's human playstyle? I agree, he's behaving exactly the same way he does when he's a wolf. I'm just unsure if that's also his human playstyle, since nearly every game I've played with him he's been a wolf.
I'm not all that familiar with it; it's been a while since I last played. I did send in my vote last night.
Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on January 01, 2017, 11:55:24 PM1. What does it mean for Lillie to be captured two times in a row? Doesn't capture=wolf in your game's lingo?
I guess in the wording change I omitted some important previous stuff I meant to keep in, sorry, gosh dang it. Lillie cannot die/be wolfed like the other Pokémon and survives when captured. Her Bagging votes get stolen at this time too.
Quote2. Correct me if I'm wrong: say we bag Noc tonight, and he turns out to be Exeggutor. This then means that Maelstrom would be forced out, and able to be lynched the next day phase? But then you say the other Pokémon becomes so confused that it cannot be captured. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of Exeggutor forcing the other Pokemon out, then?
This was a balancing issue davy brought to my attention, in that the wolves can just get lucky and wolf Nebby on the same night that Exeggutor was put in the Bag. With nobody knowing who Exeggutor was, this could lead to an accidental wolf win. He suggested that a Pokémon gain capturing immunity the first time Exeggutor is stuffed in the Bag so that its identity could be revealed without incident. Once the wolves got to a point where they could influence the Bag vote in a significant manner, they could then put Exeggutor in the Bag and potentially force out Nebby at that point.
^That part about Lillie: when you say she cannot be wolf'd like the others, does this mean that she is immune to wolfings all together, or is there a way to wolf her that is different from the norm? Also, when you say her bag votes get stolen, do you mean that they become void that phase (or longer), or that the wolves get them somehow? Please reexplain these two things in great detail because at this point in the game it's rather gamechaning for both teams.
If the wolves wolf Lillie: her Bagging votes are taken from her entirely (like any other wolfed Pokémon). The Bag is limited to one space on the next Night phase. She can no longer give Bagging votes during Night phases. She can vote for screenings during the day and communicate like any other live player, and she still gets color updates at the end of each Night phase.
Woah Woah so then we should have Lillie claim right? I think if Lillie is someone with a decent amount of suspicion that having them claim to knock off another potential wolf is worth it. Lillie getting captured and losing her bagging votes is no different than another human getting captured if I'm understanding correctly. I think Lillie should claim, especially if there's some amount of suspicion on her already.
I'd wait till at the very least next day phase to do that. We have nothing to gain from that information tonight.
TWG XCIII: Get in the Fucking Bag
Game starts on a Day phase. Each Day phase, every player votes for a player to send to Looker for screening. If that player is a bad guy, Looker puts them in the Ultra Wormhole FOREVER (they ded). Otherwise, the player is sent back and nothing happens. At Night, the Bad Guys can try to capture (wolf) one player. At the same time, each player will vote via PM for two players to put in the Bag. Players put in the Bag will not be wolfed at the end of the Night phase, and will be publicly announced at the beginning of the next Day phase. Bagged players also cannot be sent for screening. Wolves start out with 0 Bagging votes, but will gain two votes collectively for each Human they capture. If they capture Lillie, the Bag will only have one open spot on the next Night Phase (this cannot occur two Night Phases in a row; capturing Lillie twice in a row will do nothing). Bagged Pokemon exit the Bag at the start of the next Night phase.
Bad Guys (Wolves):
Wolves know each other.
1. Lusamine: Has memory problems and can't remember who Lillie is. She's a President-type human so her screening votes can count for two, but only if she PM's the host stating so each Day phase.
2. Ya Boi Guzma: Every Night phase, he can get Team Skull to check what Pokémon a player is. They're not that smart, so all they can get is the color.
Pokémon:
3. Exeggutor: Its neck is so long that it takes up an extra spot in the Bag and the other Pokémon is forced out (at random, if the Bag has three spots). The first time this occurs, the other Pokémon becomes so confused that it cannot be captured that phase.
4. Metapod: Metapod's just here to make the game harder.
5. Toucannon: Angry. Very angry. Angery reacts only.
6. Nebby: Pokémon lose if Nebby is captured.
7. Mimikyu: Mimikyu creates a realm of spoopy scary shadows inside the Bag that it hides the other Pokémon in (chosen at random, if the Bag has an extra spot). This lets the Bag keep both spots if Lillie is captured, but spoops the Pokémon so bad that they refuse to go in the Bag for the rest of the game. Unless it's Nebby, 'cause then the game would break.
8. Dugtrio: HEYYEYAAEYAAAEYAEYAA
9. Popplio: The starter nobody wanted. Capturing Popplio causes Lillie to have an extra spot in her Bag the next Night phase.
Lillie:
10. Lillie: Is told who Nebby is. She's a super important character with plot relevance so she's told how many of each color of player are left at the end of each Night phase.
Things that will be announced in the thread:
1. Popplio decided to go back to the "Pending Designs" pile where it belongs. An extra spot opened in the Bag! (Day after Popplio's capture)
2. [player] hid in the Bag's shadows and refuses to GET BACK IN THE FUCKING BAG! (Day after Mimikyu is Bagged)
3. Exeggutor's neck defies explanation! It forced a Pokémon out of the Bag! (Day after Exeggutor is Bagged)
Wolves win when Nebby is captured.
Humans win when both Wolves die.
Nebby wins if it never gets put in the Bag.
Everybody loses if somebody forgets to capitalize the words Bag, Bagging, Bagged, etc.
1. davy
2.NocturneOfShadow
3. Maelstrom
4. BlackDragonSlayer
5. TheZeldaPianist275
6. dajwxp
7. Olimar12345
8. Dude
9. FireArrow
10. E. Gadd Industries
dajwxp and Maelstrom were stuffed in the Bag. They cannot be sent for screening today.
NocturneOfShadow was captured by the bad guys, oh no! :(
It is now Day 3. Day 3 will end in 48 hours, or approximately 1 PM PST on 1/4/17.
now people can shut up about me not helping
I'm sorry noc :c
Quote from: NocturneOfShadow on January 02, 2017, 10:58:55 AMWoah Woah so then we should have Lillie claim right? I think if Lillie is someone with a decent amount of suspicion that having them claim to knock off another potential wolf is worth it. Lillie getting captured and losing her bagging votes is no different than another human getting captured if I'm understanding correctly. I think Lillie should claim, especially if there's some amount of suspicion on her already.
I think this plan would be nice to do if we mislynch again today (or if we come close to accidentally lynching Lillie). Thoughts?
Noc getting being the wolves choice gives us some insight I think. I think TZP and Olimar respect Daj as a player more, so if he was the wolf he'd probably want to target him. On the other hand, I think E gadd, Dude, and maybe BDS would be more afraid of noc, and therefore would want him wolfed. This isn't really much go on by itself, and there's always the possibility that the wolf team is a mix of the two.
Right now I'm leaning Dude, BDS, and E gadd not so much because of that, but because they're also the only three players thus far that don't seem to be putting much efford forward in actually finding a wolf. Since that's somewhat normal for Dude and he was presenting his suspicions (although, not really pushing for them in the slightest) I'm thinking BDS + E Gadd. Olimar is also pretty up there but he also has a few things that make him look human to me which I can't really say about BDS and E Gadd. I'll make a better a case when I have more time.
Dudeman:
Can we stack our Bagging votes? (i.e. I vote for maelstrom twice)
When someone is captured, do the votes they cast that night count?
Quote from: FireArrow on January 02, 2017, 01:39:06 PMCan we stack our Bagging votes? (i.e. I vote for maelstrom twice)
Sure, but two people have to end up in the Bag. The top two most-voted-for people go in the Bag.
QuoteWhen someone is captured, do the votes she casted that night count?
Yes, 'cause it's just simpler that way.
Quote from: Dudeman on January 02, 2017, 01:43:14 PMSure, but two people have to end up in the Bag. The top two most-voted-for people go in the Bag.
ON SECOND THOUGHT: After running through the balancing implications of this, this makes things way too human-sided. No, you cannot double your votes.
^not really, it just means that they can't control both bag spots every night after a certain point.
Dang it dudeman
So each wolf gets two votes now?
...things are really getting down to the wire o_O
Quote from: FireArrow on January 02, 2017, 01:14:01 PMNoc getting being the wolves choice gives us some insight I think. I think TZP and Olimar respect Daj as a player more, so if he was the wolf he'd probably want to target him. On the other hand, I think E gadd, Dude, and maybe BDS would be more afraid of noc, and therefore would want him wolfed. This isn't really much go on by itself, and there's always the possibility that the wolf team is a mix of the two.
That's incredibly arbitrary.
QuoteRight now I'm leaning Dude, BDS, and E gadd not so much because of that, but because they're also the only three players thus far that don't seem to be putting much efford forward in actually finding a wolf.
That's also incredibly arbitrary.
^^^
Building off this point: Wasn't I one of the first people to call out both daj and Noc (I read over the game again because I remembered this, and as far as I can tell, it seems to be true)? Even if they weren't wolves (and if you're gong to put points against me for that, that's equal parts ridiculous and unhelpful), you'd have to be incredibly specific and/or in intentional denial to say I'm not trying to find wolves.
Please, explain yourself further.
I was going to make a big post about it but I think everyone understands why.
E Gadd1. His behavior is incredibly wolfy.
2. He's viable wolf partners with a lot of people (namely, olimar and BDS.)
3. My post about him at the end of last day phase.
4. I'm seeing the most likely wolf teams as E Gadd + Olimar or E Gadd + BDS, both of which contain E Gadd.
5. If the wolf team is BDS + Dude we're screwed.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on January 02, 2017, 07:20:07 PMPlease, explain yourself further.
It looks like you're playing on autopilot. Also I'm not sure what you mean by arbitrary. They're things worth thinking about.
Quote from: FireArrow on January 02, 2017, 07:32:19 PMIt looks like you're playing on autopilot. Also I'm not sure what you mean by arbitrary. They're things worth thinking about.
That's a completely arbitrary opinion, though, without really any facts to back it up. And now, you look like you're backpedaling after I called you out (i.e. sniffing out the easier target and thus, going for E. Gadd, whom you know people will support).
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on January 02, 2017, 07:47:43 PMThat's a completely arbitrary opinion, though, without really any facts to back it up. And now, you look like you're backpedaling after I called you out (i.e. sniffing out the easier target and thus, going for E. Gadd, whom you know people will support).
Or I've been more suspicous of E Gadd than you throughout the entire game? I could support it with facts, quoting posts and all that jazz, but I'm not going to because I don't intend to lynch you today. Nonetheless I still said my opinion so other people can read it, think it about it, and see if they agree. Do you feel threatened by it? I find it odd that you only showed up to defend yourself from one of my not very important posts although apperantly everything else happening isn't worth your commentary?
Quote from: FireArrow on January 02, 2017, 08:07:02 PMOr I've been more suspicous of E Gadd than you throughout the entire game? I could support it with facts, quoting posts and all that jazz, but I'm not going to because I don't intend to lynch you today. Nonetheless I still said my opinion so other people can read it, think it about it, and see if they agree. Do you feel threatened by it? I find it odd that you only showed up to defend yourself from one of my not very important posts although apperantly everything else happening isn't worth your commentary?
You're acting hella suspicious right now. I'm concerned in particular because you just seem to be looking for whomever is the easier target and bringing up questionable points just to support your own suspicions. Before today, I would have voted for E. Gadd, but I'm starting to change my mind now.
There's a reason E Gadd is an easy target and that reason is why I'm voting for him. I do like how you're adding new thought to the thread now though, even if the motivatation was me calling you out. We didn't hear enough from you before.
Quote from: FireArrow on January 02, 2017, 08:07:02 PMI could support it with facts, quoting posts and all that jazz, but I'm not going to because I don't intend to lynch you today.
This sentence stood out as odd to me. You've been hard-pressed on Egadd the last few days, which I understood initially, but to say that you don't "intend" to lynch someone like bds today sounds...weird. Like, I would be perfectly okay with lynching BDS if he slipped up and said something supper suspicious; there wouldn't be a factor of "my intent" involved with it...
Idk that just sounded really bad to me, FA...
Quote from: FireArrow on January 02, 2017, 08:42:14 PMI do like how you're adding new thought to the thread now though, even if the motivatation was me calling you out.
-_-'
Before I get into this: Lillie should claim the next day phase. Now...
The case against E Gadd is pretty well known. Logic that makes no sense from a human perspective, being incredibly jumpy, not being overly helpful, behavior that's more in line with a confused wolf than a confused human, etc.
Right now I'm pretty certain the wolves are Olimar + E Gadd, and I'm here to present my case against olimar. I'd rather go for E Gadd to today, since I think I'm more certain of him than Olimar. I was lazy and hoping to do all of this next day phase since I thought we were all on the same page about E Gadd, but I guess not so here I go. Points A and B are things everyone already knows, C and D is where I think it get more interesting.
Exhibit A: When Olimar is a wolf he tends to try and look like he's helping while not actually helping, resulting in a lot of really obvious things that don't really push the conversation anywhere. He also avoids pointing any fingers or actually putting anything into motion.
Spoiler
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 27, 2016, 11:26:55 PMOkay, so if it isn't already obvious, Lillie should claim to Nebby and start an alliance, since she knows who that is.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 29, 2016, 10:21:47 AMdouble post: oh, and sure, lets screen Daj.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 30, 2016, 05:00:30 PMPlaying devil's advocate, what if they are both just playing their usual selves? Referencing last game again, this is how both of them acted and neither of them were werewolves. I'm starting to take a bit more careful look at who's jumping on their cases...
^The last sentence of this one just really sticks out to me.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 31, 2016, 09:42:44 AMSo we have a decision to make: are we going to seer/lynch dude/noc, or someone else?
Seering dude/noc pros
-we possibly confirm a human
-we possibly kill a wolf
-we end the suspicion on one of them
Cons
-we waste a lynch/seering on humans that are playing shitty
-suspicion increases on the one we don't check, which could possibly result in another mislynch.
What will we do?
"We need to decide who we're going to lynch. If we lynch noc or dude, we could kill a wolf or confirm them as human. If we're wrong though, then we wasted a lynch. What will we do?"
etc. etc. etc. this is almsot every post in the first 3 phases.
Counter Point: But he's not doing that now!
Response: Yes, after everyone called him out on it he started playing more agressive, which kind of makes that null and void. Additionally, everyone he's been agressive towards has either been easy targets (noc) or after someone expressed suspicion towards him or E Gadd.
Exhibit B: He's being really jumpy.
Spoiler
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 31, 2016, 02:59:36 PMTf? First of all, I'm not a good enough twg-er to know everything by the second day phase (minus an initial night phase). Posting "obvious things" in the manner in which I did was a means to organize pros/cons (notice how there was an imbalance? That should have meant something). Sometimes it helps to have simple things bumped so that we can stay on task. Second of all, I was on the mibbit chat both times that I posted about it (here (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9064.msg362678#msg362678) and here (http://forum.ninsheetmusic.org/index.php?topic=9064.msg362758#msg362758)), plus I even created a discord channel for more convenience in chatting (although I have not had a chance to really chat there yet, admittedly).
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 31, 2016, 09:34:34 PMI'll say it again: Tf?? As aggressive as I can be (I'll agree with that), my response covered all of your "weak" points made at me pretty well, I thought. For your to brush it off as an "oh reaction test hmmm hmm..." seems like a cop-out in addition to looking suspicious. Not to mention, as rightfully concerned with wasting lynches as you have been with noc, you sure did jump to the "well, it's okay to waste a lynch on you if you're a human" card on me (even within the same post). Thats contradicting.
There's that thing with dude.
QuoteOlimar12345 - Today at 1:23 PM
[quoting dude] "olimar is the wolf b/c he voted noc"
that was dumb af
no one else is seeing that too
This was message he sent to me today. He's been complaining all game about dude having a dumb suspicion of him. Let's look at what that was:
Quote from: Dude on January 01, 2017, 01:25:21 PMAlso, egadd and Olimar are my top picks for checking tomorrow
Yeah... that's all I could find in the thread. Maybe there was a chat I missed, but this seems like a really odd thing to get worked up over.
Exhibit C: The nonsensical progression of his thoughts about me. Sometimes wolves mess up the continuity of their suspicions because, ya'know, they're not really suspicions.
You remember when Davy wanted to screen me because I was being uncharacteristically quiet, which was contrary to my previous human game where I was overly active?
Quote from: Olimar12345 on December 30, 2016, 02:51:23 PMFA seems to be playing similarly to the way he was last game, which makes me feel better about his humanity.
Well according to olimar, this inactivity totally similar to the previous game.
Quote9. FireArrow - You are a mystery to me right now. From past games, working both with you and against you, you play very solidly and it makes it hard for me to tell which side you could really be on when we aren't both wolves or on the same team from the start or something.
QuoteOlimar12345 - Yesterday at 11:37 PM
Not sure about FA, he's a slippery one.
Though his last post was back and forth
Olimar12345 - Yesterday at 11:42 PM
FA is the next most suspicious person on my list
Then probably dude and a three way tie between the rest
Then I start acting myself again, becoming more active and voting for noc, which apperantly upgrades me from "not suspicous because you're inactive like in that one game you were really active in" to "a really good player that you just can't get a read on." Ok?
From there he just started getting more and more suspicous of me, which I can't say is unreasonable since pretty much everyone but TZP is weary of me at this point.
Exhibit D: From expirience, I know Olimar will defend his wolf partners, so I tested for this.
Spoiler
QuoteGerik - Today at 1:03 PM
What do you think of an E Gadd lynch?
Olimar12345 - Today at 1:12 PM
I wouldn't mind putting pressure on him to see if he says anything crazy
but BDS is making me uneasy rn
isn't he usually more involved?
Idr if I've ever played a game where he was a wolf
Gerik - Today at 1:14 PM
BDS is always shady
Olimar12345 - Today at 1:14 PM
god everyone is starting to look suspicious to some degree...
why do you want an Egadd lynch?
Gerik - Today at 1:15 PM
He has the most evidence against him and the least in his favor
I agree that BDS is a good idea though, there's just less material to work with
Olimar12345 - Today at 1:15 PM
yeah but he wasn't this noobish in the updating twg, where he was actually a wolf
and then there's you
Gerik - Today at 1:16 PM
fair enough
but yesterday you said you were really close to lynching him over noc
what changed that?
Olimar12345 - Today at 1:16 PM
I slept on it
you didn't change your vote to egadd either, you know
you supported a noc lynch
Gerik - Today at 1:17 PM
I know, I was msotly afraid I would change my vote and turn up noc is a wolf
Generally it's better to go with your first instinct
However, I'm still equally suspicous of him as I was yesterday
Olimar12345 - Today at 1:17 PM
both of our first instincts weren't that good
Gerik - Today at 1:18 PM
True
tl;dr
E Gadd goes from his number one suspicion next to noc to number four or whatever behind me, BDS, and Dude. This is because "he slept on it." Also note how he treated the whole conversation like an interrogation instead of just telling me what he thought of an E Gadd lynch. Every response reeks with trying to defend himself when I wasn't accusing him of anything.
QuoteOlimar12345 - Today at 4:23 PM
go post something about Egadd and I'll agree with it so he'll start posting
getting to the point where I don't even care if we lose. I'd rather play something else
Project reaction test is a go, deploy Team OliArrow!
Quote from: Olimar12345 on January 02, 2017, 08:43:05 PMThis sentence stood out as odd to me. You've been hard-pressed on Egadd the last few days, which I understood initially, but to say that you don't "intend" to lynch someone like bds today sounds...weird. Like, I would be perfectly okay with lynching BDS if he slipped up and said something supper suspicious; there wouldn't be a factor of "my intent" involved with it...
Idk that just sounded really bad to me, FA...
rip, although the spotlight
does look good on me
Imo, in order of likelihood: Olimar + E Gadd, BDS + E Gadd, BDS + Dude
I'd like to lynch E Gadd today. If he's a wolf get Olimar or if he's human go for BDS. This covers all the above wolf teams with the two lynches we have left. Don't feel like making a case for BDS right now since it's not really relevant today. If one of ya'll is lillie and my idea starts gaining traction then claim because we don't have time to waste a lynch on lillie now that dudeman changed the rules.
Idk about the second person yet but e gadd fo sho
Which, let me note, I've been saying since day 1.
E Gadd
Ahahaha, well done firearrow, sound logic and good arguments there :)
Good arguments my ass (look, I'm responding in a manner that I always respond: wolf
or human!). Half of your quotes of me are taken out of context from different points in the game when my thoughts had changed (that's right, I can change my mind when new circumstances surface), but please arrange them in any order you choose to "prove" your weak suspicions. At this point I will gladly lynch
Egadd. Here's to jumping on your bandwaggon like last phase.
But, remember this?
Quote from: discordI will still withhold judgement on Egadd until he is more active
Never did I disagree with how shady he was. I even said that I almost changed my vote to him last phase, like you also
almost did.
I've seen Egadd play as a wolf (hell, I was even the host of a game where he was a wolf on the winning team) and this doesn't resemble what I saw there. Rereading the chat log I get more of an impression that he's just a n00b at being a human and picking up tells and etc. Post your real argument for the lynch of Egadd and maybe you can convince me that he is a better lynch.
There still is the real possibility that FireArrow and Dude are wolf partners, but I've just about gotten to the point where I don't care anymore.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on January 02, 2017, 11:46:18 PMGood arguments my ass (look, I'm responding in a manner that I always respond: wolf or human!). Half of your quotes of me are taken out of context from different points in the game when my thoughts had changed (that's right, I can change my mind when new circumstances surface), but please arrange them in any order you choose to "prove" your weak suspicions.
Everything is in chronological order, bar maybe a few discord quotes since it was harder to figure out when they happened.
QuoteBut, remember this?
That was from this phase. Last phase you talked about how suspicious E Gadd was and now you can't form an opinion on him because he's "too inactive." Oh, but Dude and BDS aren't too inactive for you to be suspicous of?
QuoteNever did I disagree with how shady he was. I even said that I almost changed my vote to him last phase, like you also almost did.
Yes, you almost changed your vote to him. And then this phase:
QuoteI've seen Egadd play as a wolf (hell, I was even the host of a game where he was a wolf on the winning team) and this doesn't resemble what I saw there. Rereading the chat log I get more of an impression that he's just a n00b at being a human and picking up tells and etc. Post your real argument for the lynch of Egadd and maybe you can convince me that he is a better lynch.
QuoteI will still withhold judgement on Egadd until he is more active
Continuity where?
QuoteThere still is the real possibility that FireArrow and Dude are wolf partners, but I've just about gotten to the point where I don't care anymore.
I mean, you might wanna hold judgement on me since I'm pretty inactive, but dude is pretty sus!
Quote from: Olimar12345 on January 02, 2017, 11:46:18 PMThere still is the real possibility that FireArrow and Dude are wolf partners, but I've just about gotten to the point where I don't care anymore.
And you sure aren't helping us by not voting for one of them.
Quote from: FireArrow on January 03, 2017, 12:01:59 AMThat was from this phase. Last phase you talked about how suspicious E Gadd was and now you can't form an opinion on him because he's "too inactive." Oh, but Dude and BDS aren't too inactive for you to be suspicous of?
BDS has posted substantially more this phase than Egadd has. Dude is being dude i.e. only posting minimally and nothing helpful. There is substance with these two. Egadd is literally just not posting or only posting like nothing of value, even though he will most likely get lynched today. Since when does it make more sense to lynch inactives over actives? Oh wait, there is a scenario where that makes sense! It's when you're a wolf! Who's better to pin all the blame for everything on than someone who won't or can't defend themself!
Quote from: FireArrow on January 03, 2017, 12:01:59 AMYes, you almost changed your vote to him. And then this phase:
Continuity where?
There's no denying that egadd is low hanging fruit right now, for both the humans and the wolves. But you know what else was low hanging fruit? Noc was, and as I recall, that lynch was also initiated by you.
Do you actually believe the E Gadd is more inactive than BDS and Dude? And no, "he has been this phase", is not a good response.
QuoteThere's no denying that egadd is low hanging fruit right now, for both the humans and the wolves. But you know what else was low hanging fruit? Noc was, and as I recall, that lynch was also initiated by you.
Right, I spent an hour making a post about you to kill the low hanging E Gadd fruit. My bad, so wolfy, such scum, you got me.
I really don't fucking care anymore. Let's kill Egadd ppl, come on.
Fuck it.
Quote from: FireArrow on January 03, 2017, 12:27:16 AMDo you actually believe the E Gadd is more inactive than BDS and Dude? And no, "he has been this phase", is not a good response.
"This phase" is a perfectly reasonable response, because you and dude are pushing for his lynch-why would you not want to wait and see what he posts about it?
Quote from: FireArrow on January 03, 2017, 12:27:16 AMRight, I spent an hour making a post about you to kill the low hanging E Gadd fruit. My bad, so wolfy, such scum, you got me.
Exactly! You're taking the easy route because more people are bound to agree with an egadd lynch than an olimar lynch. Of the two Egadd is the easier lynch, so when you put it next to a less likely lynch candidate, more people would be inclined to vote egadd (salesman 101).
are you saying we should lynch someone else besides the most likely person to be a wolf at this point because I will arrange a song for nsm if he turns out not to be a wolf
What about the possibility of BDS + Olimar?
Also, don't get mad when it turns out to be a mislynch. Just saying~
Also^2, I'm not going to waste my time typing out a defense to change what, 6 peoples' votes? (I didn't count) it just isn't worth it, because not enough of you would change your votes for it to matter, despite the fact that the humans would lose. :/
Quote from: Dude on January 03, 2017, 04:35:40 AMare you saying we should lynch someone else besides the most likely person to be a wolf at this point because I will arrange a song for nsm if he turns out not to be a wolf
Can I request one? :O
I'm still behind an E. Gaddcheck today, but I have other suspicions now. FA and Olimar are absolutely at each other's throats right now. Since E. Gadd has basically been thrown under the bus by everybody, I could see one of them being a potential wolf partner with him. It seems a bit unlikely, but humans rarely act this belligerent, even vitriolic, toward each other. I do think Olimar is more suspicious than FA, but if he's not a wolf, I think it's not unreasonable that FA is.
Death to E. Gadd
How about no. More like "Confirmation of E. Gadd"
Okay so the current E. Gadd to not E. Gadd voting ratio is 6:1 and it's only been 21 hours so unless there's a significant objection I can end the phase at 1 PM today instead of tomorrow. Any objections? I wasn't planning on doing insta's in this game.
Who was the 1?
Oh, e gadd himself, right....
EGadd 6 (FA, dude, Daj, olimar, TZP, mael)
Olimar 1 (egadd)
I do believe this is an insta. Let's see if rushing EGadds lynch was worth it. If he turns up human dude and FireArrow are my top suspects for wolves, and Lillie should claim to give us another phase to kill one of them.
Ninjad dudeman just do it. It's pointless to wait another day.
All right then, let's get it over with.
TWG XCIII: Get in the Fucking Bag
Game starts on a Day phase. Each Day phase, every player votes for a player to send to Looker for screening. If that player is a bad guy, Looker puts them in the Ultra Wormhole FOREVER (they ded). Otherwise, the player is sent back and nothing happens. At Night, the Bad Guys can try to capture (wolf) one player. At the same time, each player will vote via PM for two players to put in the Bag. Players put in the Bag will not be wolfed at the end of the Night phase, and will be publicly announced at the beginning of the next Day phase. Bagged players also cannot be sent for screening. Wolves start out with 0 Bagging votes, but will gain two votes collectively for each Human they capture. If they capture Lillie, the Bag will only have one open spot on the next Night Phase (this cannot occur two Night Phases in a row; capturing Lillie twice in a row will do nothing). Bagged Pokemon exit the Bag at the start of the next Night phase.
Bad Guys (Wolves):
Wolves know each other.
1. Lusamine: Has memory problems and can't remember who Lillie is. She's a President-type human so her screening votes can count for two, but only if she PM's the host stating so each Day phase.
2. Ya Boi Guzma: Every Night phase, he can get Team Skull to check what Pokémon a player is. They're not that smart, so all they can get is the color.
Pokémon:
3. Exeggutor: Its neck is so long that it takes up an extra spot in the Bag and the other Pokémon is forced out (at random, if the Bag has three spots). The first time this occurs, the other Pokémon becomes so confused that it cannot be captured that phase.
4. Metapod: Metapod's just here to make the game harder.
5. Toucannon: Angry. Very angry. Angery reacts only.
6. Nebby: Pokémon lose if Nebby is captured.
7. Mimikyu: Mimikyu creates a realm of spoopy scary shadows inside the Bag that it hides the other Pokémon in (chosen at random, if the Bag has an extra spot). This lets the Bag keep both spots if Lillie is captured, but spoops the Pokémon so bad that they refuse to go in the Bag for the rest of the game. Unless it's Nebby, 'cause then the game would break.
8. Dugtrio: HEYYEYAAEYAAAEYAEYAA
9. Popplio: The starter nobody wanted. Capturing Popplio causes Lillie to have an extra spot in her Bag the next Night phase.
Lillie:
10. Lillie: Is told who Nebby is. She's a super important character with plot relevance so she's told how many of each color of player are left at the end of each Night phase.
Things that will be announced in the thread:
1. Popplio decided to go back to the "Pending Designs" pile where it belongs. An extra spot opened in the Bag! (Day after Popplio's capture)
2. [player] hid in the Bag's shadows and refuses to GET BACK IN THE FUCKING BAG! (Day after Mimikyu is Bagged)
3. Exeggutor's neck defies explanation! It forced a Pokémon out of the Bag! (Day after Exeggutor is Bagged)
Wolves win when Nebby is captured.
Humans win when both Wolves die.
Nebby wins if it never gets put in the Bag.
Everybody loses if somebody forgets to capitalize the words Bag, Bagging, Bagged, etc.
1. davy
2. NocturneOfShadow
3. Maelstrom
4. BlackDragonSlayer
5. TheZeldaPianist275
6. dajwxp
7. Olimar12345
8. Dude
9. FireArrow
10. E. Gadd Industries
E. Gadd Industries was screened by Looker. Looker says he's a pretty okay guy and is getting a little tired of saying so. E. Gadd Industries has not been lynched.
It is now Night 3. dajwxp and Maelstrom have exited the Bag. Night 3 will end in 27.5 hours, or approximately 1 PM PST on 1/4/17 (I like consistency). Remember to PM the host (me) with your two picks for Bagging.
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Alright, so regardless of what we do a human will die tonight, but that is okay for now since we just need to keep mael alive to lynch a wolf next phase. I recommend that confirmed humans double up their votes on mael so that we can guarantee his survival. Next phase is fight or flight and in case it isn't apparent I've got a big post about dude and FA planned.
Quote from: Dudeman on January 02, 2017, 03:09:55 PMON SECOND THOUGHT: After running through the balancing implications of this, this makes things way too human-sided. No, you cannot double your votes.
Reminder.
Oh yeah the rules changed again. EVERYONE MUST VOTE MAEL DON'T NOT VOTE MAEL
This sucks, because by the sound of it, wolves can stack their votes.
Yeah we don't have the option to randomize the second vote, so just bag daj and mael.
Sure, just feed your mistake to the wolves (or maybe that was you're plan all along?). I'm salty af rn just let me have this.
DO NOT VOTE FOR DAJ.
The wolves can piggy back off of that and get me killed
Also, can the wolves stack votes?
If I were to blame my mistakes on anyone it would be:
Noc and E Gadd for literally acting like wolves. Ask anyone good at this game and they'd say my suspicions weren't unfounded, I just didn't account for the fact that they were playing dumb and had to treat it as an exception.
Me being the only person to actually push for lynches. Honestly maelstrom should be leading some sort of human alliance along with daj, but he wasn't even active enough to tell us what color Noc was. Now I have to eat the wrath for every mislynch because everyone else is afraid to do it.
Yes, you were right and I was wrong.
Quote from: Maelstrom on January 03, 2017, 11:06:48 AMDO NOT VOTE FOR DAJ.
The wolves can piggy back off of that and get me killed
Right, so we should just not use our second vote then?
Anyways, I'm still sticking with this:
QuoteImo, in order of likelihood: Olimar + E Gadd, BDS + E Gadd, BDS + Dude
I'd like to lynch E Gadd today. If he's a wolf get Olimar or if he's human go for BDS. This covers all the above wolf teams with the two lynches we have left. Don't feel like making a case for BDS right now since it's not really relevant today. If one of ya'll is lillie and my idea starts gaining traction then claim because we don't have time to waste a lynch on lillie now that dudeman changed the rules.
Ya'll can chose to follow me or not
Everyone vote for mael and yourself, that way here's no chance a second vote can beat mael (plus we can see who the wolves bagged, which would be interesting to see).
Quote from: Maelstrom on January 03, 2017, 11:07:03 AMAlso, can the wolves stack votes?
Yes, but remember that the two people with the most votes are put in the Bag. In order to feasibly force Mael out of the Bag (assuming everyone continues to put their first vote on Mael each night), the wolves would need enough votes to have the majority on
two people. This can't feasibly happen for a couple more nights.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on January 03, 2017, 11:14:57 AMEveryone vote for mael and yourself, that way here's no chance a second vote can beat mael (plus we can see who the wolves bagged, which would be interesting to see).
Scenario: Daj and Mael both have 6 votes on them and the wolves have a total of 4 votes to use at their discretion. How can they vote mael? Did the spots in the bag go down to 1 and I missed it? Because with your plan they just put executor in the bag and win the following night.
Well no, that route they would just vote egadd. Either way we lose a player.
Also, executor is no longer a threat because noc was also green (see maels post in discord).
*breathes in*
Spoiler
I TRIED TO WARN YOUUUUUUU!!!!
will you guys accept that I'm inexperienced???
Despite this, my main suspicions are BDS & Olimar; everyone seemed to think it was me & one of them, yet never both of them combined.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on January 03, 2017, 11:56:06 AMWell no, that route they would just vote egadd. Either way we lose a player.
Wouldn't it be better for us to chose which one stays alive rather than the wolves?
Quote from: Olimar12345 on January 03, 2017, 12:03:03 PMAlso, executor is no longer a threat because noc was also green (see maels post in discord).
Can people actually post things in the thread please >_>
Discord is a great place to discuss things, but it's not good way to give out important announcements
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on January 03, 2017, 12:16:42 PMDespite this, my main suspicions are BDS & Olimar; everyone seemed to think it was me & one of them, yet never both of them combined.
Hey, we agree.
But the question is, which on needs to be screened first?
Oh my gosh, what. This is getting ridiculous. I feel like now it's almost certain that Olimar is a wolf.
Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on January 03, 2017, 01:20:25 PMOh my gosh, what. This is getting ridiculous. I feel like now it's almost certain that Olimar is a wolf.
What? I was he one against the Egadd thing from the start!
>doesn't vote egadd
>people get suspicious
>votes egadd
>must be wolf
All greens are dead.
Sorry for the inactivity.
Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on January 03, 2017, 01:20:25 PMOh my gosh, what. This is getting ridiculous. I feel like now it's almost certain that Olimar is a wolf.
QuoteOlimar
you dense boy
Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on January 03, 2017, 01:20:25 PMOh my gosh, what. This is getting ridiculous. I feel like now it's almost certain that Olimar is a wolf.
But who are olimars viable partners now? Not you, since you just said this. Not dude, they've been at it all game. Not me, for obvious reasons.
BDS is pretty much the only one he could be partnered with and therefore the better lynch. Dude + BDS and you + BDS are both very possible as well, so unless you really think that Olimar + Me, dude, or you is actually worth looking into lynching BDS is strictly better.
I'm just going to vote mael and Daj I guess.
So we aren't doing ze random thing?
Idk, no ones talking about it. But I guess us choosing is better than the wolves choosing.
Quote from: FireArrow on January 03, 2017, 05:29:42 PMBut who are olimars viable partners now? Not you, since you just said this. Not dude, they've been at it all game. Not me, for obvious reasons.
BDS is pretty much the only one he could be partnered with and therefore the better lynch. Dude + BDS and you + BDS are both very possible as well, so unless you really think that Olimar + Me, dude, or you is actually worth looking into lynching BDS is strictly better.
so where is tzp in all of this
Quote from: Dude on January 04, 2017, 11:12:10 AMso where is tzp in all of this
you + BDS = TZP + BDS.
TZP + Dude something I'm completely ignoring for better or worse. TZP + Olimar isn't too likely, given he's TZP's prefered lynch for what is possibly our last chance to get a wolf. TZP + Me is possible I guess, but why would I bring that up when talking to him?
Wait, so did everyone vote Daj?
The bag has two spots still, so there's no way the wolves would be able to force Mael out. I think the safest thing to do is for each person to choose one of those two to bag randomly, as we've been doing. Don't all just vote for Daj.
Quote from: Dude on January 04, 2017, 11:12:10 AMso where is tzp in all of this
What do you mean?
Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on January 04, 2017, 12:23:44 PMWait, so did everyone vote Daj?
The bag has two spots still, so there's no way the wolves would be able to force Mael out. I think the safest thing to do is for each person to choose one of those two to bag randomly, as we've been doing. Don't all just vote for Daj.
The wolves have more votes now so the odds come out to about:
11% of getting the wolves to fail, 89% chance they kill a confirmed human of their choice, 65% success rate of them completely chosing who the second person to be bagged is.
There's 4 possible lynch targets tomorrow and 2 wolves , so voting at random gives us a 50% chance to get a wolf. If the wolves succeed in bagging themselves, then there's only 3 lynch targets with one wolf, giving us only a 33% chance to lynch one.
Heads up: Phase change is gonna be a little late. Send in your Bagging votes if you haven't already.
The last sentence should be 2/5 = 40% and 1/4 = 25%, but the point still stands.
FA, can you explain the number breakdown? I don't follow.
6 > 4
8 players are remaining
2 wolves - collectively 4 votes (stackable)
6 humans - two votes each. 12 votes total
There are two bag spots and executor is dead
1) all humans should vote for mael, because 6 votes > 4 votes
2) all humans should also vote for daj (another human), because 6 votes > 4 votes
3) rip egadd
Oh, I see. Yeah, disregard what I said earlier. Save Daj, we don't want the wolves bagging themselves.
Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on January 04, 2017, 12:55:50 PMFA, can you explain the number breakdown? I don't follow.
Note: For the calculations I pretended a kitb would always favor humans, so things are actually a bit more grime.
First part: Let's say the wolves are wolfing confirmed human x so they put their 4 collective votes on confirmed y. In order for humans to stop them, we would have to get 5 or more votes to randomly occur on the player that's getting wolfed. Using binomial probability (http://stattrek.com/online-calculator/binomial.aspx) it comes out to only an 11% chance of success in our favor.
Second part: The wolves could take an even greater risk, trying to vote themselves into the bag. We'd have to get 4 or more votes to randomly occur on a player, which once again using binomial probability, there's a 35% chance of that happening (or a 65% chance of the wolves succeeding.)
Third part: I think that's pretty clear.
ninja'd
also grime and grim are totally the same thing
My simple post saying uselessly obvious things ftw
TWG XCIII: Get in the Fucking Bag
Game starts on a Day phase. Each Day phase, every player votes for a player to send to Looker for screening. If that player is a bad guy, Looker puts them in the Ultra Wormhole FOREVER (they ded). Otherwise, the player is sent back and nothing happens. At Night, the Bad Guys can try to capture (wolf) one player. At the same time, each player will vote via PM for two players to put in the Bag. Players put in the Bag will not be wolfed at the end of the Night phase, and will be publicly announced at the beginning of the next Day phase. Bagged players also cannot be sent for screening. Wolves start out with 0 Bagging votes, but will gain two votes collectively for each Human they capture. If they capture Lillie, the Bag will only have one open spot on the next Night Phase (this cannot occur two Night Phases in a row; capturing Lillie twice in a row will do nothing). Bagged Pokemon exit the Bag at the start of the next Night phase.
Bad Guys (Wolves):
Wolves know each other.
1. Lusamine: Has memory problems and can't remember who Lillie is. She's a President-type human so her screening votes can count for two, but only if she PM's the host stating so each Day phase.
2. Ya Boi Guzma: Every Night phase, he can get Team Skull to check what Pokémon a player is. They're not that smart, so all they can get is the color.
Pokémon:
3. Exeggutor: Its neck is so long that it takes up an extra spot in the Bag and the other Pokémon is forced out (at random, if the Bag has three spots). The first time this occurs, the other Pokémon becomes so confused that it cannot be captured that phase.
4. Metapod: Metapod's just here to make the game harder.
5. Toucannon: Angry. Very angry. Angery reacts only.
6. Nebby: Pokémon lose if Nebby is captured.
7. Mimikyu: Mimikyu creates a realm of spoopy scary shadows inside the Bag that it hides the other Pokémon in (chosen at random, if the Bag has an extra spot). This lets the Bag keep both spots if Lillie is captured, but spoops the Pokémon so bad that they refuse to go in the Bag for the rest of the game. Unless it's Nebby, 'cause then the game would break.
8. Dugtrio: HEYYEYAAEYAAAEYAEYAA
9. Popplio: The starter nobody wanted. Capturing Popplio causes Lillie to have an extra spot in her Bag the next Night phase.
Lillie:
10. Lillie: Is told who Nebby is. She's a super important character with plot relevance so she's told how many of each color of player are left at the end of each Night phase.
Things that will be announced in the thread:
1. Popplio decided to go back to the "Pending Designs" pile where it belongs. An extra spot opened in the Bag! (Day after Popplio's capture)
2. [player] hid in the Bag's shadows and refuses to GET BACK IN THE FUCKING BAG! (Day after Mimikyu is Bagged)
3. Exeggutor's neck defies explanation! It forced a Pokémon out of the Bag! (Day after Exeggutor is Bagged)
Wolves win when Nebby is captured.
Humans win when both Wolves die.
Nebby wins if it never gets put in the Bag.
Everybody loses if somebody forgets to capitalize the words Bag, Bagging, Bagged, etc.
1. davy
2. NocturneOfShadow
3. Maelstrom
4. BlackDragonSlayer
5. TheZeldaPianist275
6. dajwxp
7. Olimar12345
8. Dude
9. FireArrow
10. E. Gadd Industries
BlackDragonSlayer and Maelstrom were stuffed in the Bag. They cannot be sent for screening today.
E. Gadd Industries was captured by the bad guys, oh no! :(
It is now Day 4. Day 4 will end in 48 hours, or approximately 1 PM PST on 1/6/17.
Death post:
Am ded. Not big surprise.
Good luck, all, and Merry Christmas! :D
Um, ok, I guess.
Right, I knew BDS was a wolf. Olimar is also human, because they wouldn't reveal the second wolf if there was a high chance of the first being lynched.
TZP
Oooor you just put me in the bag to justify your own "suspicions."
FireArrow.
Oh my bad, I totally put a nonconfirmed human in the bag so I could push for a fucking TZP lynch instead of a much easier Olimar or BDS one. I also completely forgot that I would of put myself in a situation where there's a 50% chance of me or my partner getting lynched by chance despite literally talking about that a couple hours ago.
You're obviously a wolf and we can't lynch you. There's literally nothing to gain from responding to you any further so it's a complete waste of time trying to defend yourself.
Quote from: FireArrow on January 04, 2017, 03:11:02 PMOh my bad, I totally put a nonconfirmed human in the bag so I could push for a fucking TZP lynch instead of a much easier Olimar or BDS one. I also completely forgot that I would of put myself in a situation where there's a 50% chance of me or my partner getting lynched by chance despite literally talking about that a couple hours ago.
You're obviously a wolf and we can't lynch you. There's literally nothing to gain from responding to you any further so it's a complete waste of time trying to defend yourself.
See, you're doing it again. Putting me in the bag would "obviously" justify your own conclusions, which means people have no reason not to follow you like sheep, since that's exactly what they did last phase (for all intents and purposes, you could probably do whatever you wanted at this point, TBH). Considering you voted for TZP right off the bat, you sure as hell are controlling the lynch. Tell me, FireArrow, why are
you human? You've been acting extremely overconfidently this whole time (as well as being very pick-and-choose-y), which as I recall is exactly how you've played as a wolf in the past (and, as davy and Olimar would probably attest to, even a shift from how you played toward the beginning of the game).
Quote from: FireArrow on December 30, 2014, 09:35:32 PMYeah, that's one thing I learned this game. Manipulate people not with logic, but with emotions and first impressions.
Case in point.
I was going to make a huge post but fuck it, what else needs to be said? FireArrow is a wolf. Easy as that. He pushed for a Nocturne lynch and converted the tail end of it into an Egadd lynch while not changing his vote, setting up the third day's mis-lynch. He's quick to jump right on top of someone with a "It can't be anyone else but this, and if you disagree or don't immediately agree you are super suspicious and must be a wolf" Last phase he "read" my cautious "let's see what happens" as changing the subject, thus = they must be my wolf partner. He sets up the day phases with posts about the "only possible wolf partner combinations" that always conveniently do not include him.
double post, will be in the discord chat.
Please don't be dumb olimar.
Quote from: FireArrow on January 04, 2017, 04:52:09 PMPlease don't be dumb olimar.
Yeah, everyone else is too busy doing that for us.
Everyone post who you voted to bag last night. People forgetting to vote and/or not voting for daj are extremely relevant right now.
I voted both daj and mael.
Why I chose TZP over Dude.
Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on January 03, 2017, 01:20:25 PMOh my gosh, what. This is getting ridiculous. I feel like now it's almost certain that Olimar is a wolf.
Quote from: Dude on January 02, 2017, 11:05:52 PMIdk about the second person yet but e gadd fo sho
Which, let me note, I've been saying since day 1.
Here are their reactions to me when I said I wanted to lynch BDS next. Both of them are taking BDS's side to an extent, TZP just a bit more. Since BDS was bagged, the wolves probably saw how the last 2 lynches were started by me and was afraid I'd still have ability to start the third. Since Olimar was a shoe in for todays lynch at the time, they probably thought bagging him would mean olimar gets lynched for an easy victory. They didn't account for the fact that doing so confirms olimars humanity nor that he ended up being lillie.
The wolves put us in a situation where we have to guess the partner or lose. TZP was the person with the least amount of suspicion surronding him, therefore this plan was probably perceived as low risk. Why would everyone randomly decide that TZP was more suspicous than dude, me, and olimar? On the other side of the coin, it could also be said that it would be really easy for TZP to win as a sole wolf so why bother going through the effort of revealing BDS? Maybe they wanted a perfect game, wanted to win the game faster, or just saw this as the better option. I don't know, this part the argument swings both ways.
Also remember that the wolves were only able to do this out of inactivity. They didn't have enough votes to overturn it by themselves, so that means someone forgot to vote (or was dumb and listened to maelstrom.) TZP was in the discussion so I find it unlikely he forgot to vote, dude on the other hand... Basically dude being inactive that phase gives him human points, but I wanna figure out how exactly everyone voted so I don't have to use this as a "well it's more likely."
Also, TZP suggested that we do a random votes which was a bad idea for this exact reason.
Also there's this:
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on January 04, 2017, 03:04:40 PMOooor you just put me in the bag to justify your own "suspicions."
FireArrow.
BDS isn't dumb (or maybe he is, I've messed up enough this game by assuming people are rational), he should know that this plan reveals him as a wolf. Why would he go so beserk trying to lynch me after I voted for TZP. He reacted to the TZP vote as if it were one for himself. I feel if say, I went for Dude instead, he wouldn't of put so much effort forward in trying to push for my lynch. It's also possible he's doing a fake reaction or just arguing with anyone that call him a wolf.
QuoteTZP - Today at 5:08 PM
BDS pls stop defending me you're making me look bad
BlackDragonSlayer - Today at 5:08 PM
Anything I can do to convince you to vote for FireArrow.
Sometimes I'm really bad at putting things into words but I'll try because this is really wolfy.
1. BDS hasn't been defending TZP, he's just throwing dirt at the person who called him a wolf. Why would human TZP assume that BDS is defending him? Why does BDS respond as if he has been?
2. BDS has no reaction to the fact that TZP knows he's a wolf. If TZP was another human would BDS react more negatively given how he reacted to me?
3. Given the two above, this mostly looks like TZP trying to distance himself from BDS. Wolves don't publically call each other out on things like this when they can just talk privately, so saying it would generally make it look like they weren't partners. This would actually used in a case against dude if it was used in a situation that made a bit more sense.
As for Dude, there isn't much of a case against him other than "he's inactive and being suspicious", which is literally always true. I'm going to read over the thread now though and see if there's anything that tie either of them to BDS.
Quote from: FireArrow on January 04, 2017, 06:25:37 PMBDS isn't dumb (or maybe he is, I've messed up enough this game by assuming people are rational), he should know that this plan reveals him as a wolf. Why would he go so beserk trying to lynch me after I voted for TZP. He reacted to the TZP vote as if it were one for himself. I feel if say, I went for Dude instead, he wouldn't of put so much effort forward in trying to push for my lynch. It's also possible he's doing a fake reaction or just arguing with anyone that call him a wolf.
I don't know why you're assuming I wasn't already going to vote for you. You literally posted less than a minute after I made my first post of the phase.
Quote1. BDS hasn't been defending TZP, he's just throwing dirt at the person who called him a wolf. Why would human TZP assume that BDS is defending him? Why does BDS respond as if he has been?
In that specific instance, I did defend TZP: you claimed he was the only one who supported the random voting plan, which I pointed out was untrue. Context is important:
QuoteTZP - Today at 5:04 PM
I also have no idea why you went right for my throat after the phase change
...
Gerik - Today at 5:04 PM
Basically you were more defensive of BDS when I expressed interest in lynching him
and you were also the one who tried to get us to do a random vote
which could suggest you were thinking about trying to bag a wolf before hand
...
BlackDragonSlayer - Today at 5:08 PM
I thought Olimar and Maelstrom also supported the random vote thing?
...
TZP - Today at 5:08 PM
BDS pls stop defending me you're making me look bad
Quote2. BDS has no reaction to the fact that TZP knows he's a wolf. If TZP was another human would BDS react more negatively given how he reacted to me?
Everyone's already parroting you except Olimar and I, or at the very least, having some sort of absurd avoidance of suspicion on you. You're the only one singling TZP out, IMO.
ahh dang sorry guys i missed the vote fuck army seriously
That said, um...I guess I'll wait out for a bit? :p Reading the above posts doesn't actually help reach any conclusion so I'll wait for some logic to emerge out of the salt haha
Quote from: FireArrow on January 04, 2017, 05:56:14 PMEveryone post who you voted to bag last night. People forgetting to vote and/or not voting for daj are extremely relevant right now.
I voted both daj and mael.
for once i actually sent mine in and it was the same.
Quote from: Dude on January 04, 2017, 08:10:38 PMfor once i actually sent mine in and it was the same.
This makes you look pretty human. An argument in your favor was that your inactivity as a human might of been the reason why the wolves were able to outvote us. I don't see why you'd give that up as a wolf.
Quote from: FireArrow on January 04, 2017, 08:16:56 PMThis makes you look pretty human. An argument in your favor was that your inactivity as a human might of been the reason why the wolves were able to outvote us. I don't see why you'd give that up as a wolf.
because you told him to
So then how do you feel about a dude lynch?
Im going to vote tzp for now
Well that was bad timing...
Retract Vote
I feel like since we cant scan bds the only choices to me are fa or tzp
So far I'd say tzp is next best.
Quote from: FireArrow on January 04, 2017, 08:20:56 PMSo then how do you feel about a dude lynch?
I mean, I'd prefer you, but he's probably your partner anyway ("probably" meaning the only likely option at this point).
tfw when dude's profile picture
Well BDS, I'm voting for either TZP or BDS, so convince me why I should pick dude.
uh, let me try that again.
Well BDS, I'm voting for either TZP or dude, so convince me why I should pick dude.
Quote from: FireArrow on January 04, 2017, 08:34:22 PMuh, let me try that again.
Well BDS, I'm voting for either TZP or dude, so convince me why I should pick dude.
That doesn't even make any sense. I'm not trying to convince
you of anything.
Quote from: Dudeman on January 04, 2017, 02:01:20 PMBlackDragonSlayer and Maelstrom were stuffed in the Bag. They cannot be sent for screening today.
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Well that went downhill fast. Dude + FA ez
Quote from: Dude on January 04, 2017, 08:24:20 PMI feel like since we cant scan bds the only choices to me are fa or tzp
Duh, that is literally everyone left in the game. By FA's arguments against me I'd say this is pretty wolfish.
Convince everyone else then. You're a human and you care about the human win condition right? It'll be easier to convince people of a dude lynch since his lynch covers both the scenario where I'm a wolf and half the scenario where you're a wolf.
Also Olimar I'm going to bitch you out post game like what even.
dyslexic. read that as:
Quote from: Olimar12345 on January 04, 2017, 08:42:30 PMQuote from: Dude on January 04, 2017, 08:24:20 PMI feel like since we cant scan bds the only choices are me fa or tzp
Duh, that is literally everyone left in the game. By FA's arguments against me I'd say this is pretty wolfish.
But fa, there's no scenario where olimar is a wolf in my eyes...
Quote from: FireArrow on January 04, 2017, 08:43:19 PMConvince everyone else then. You're a human and you care about the human win condition right? It'll be easier to convince people of a dude lynch since his lynch covers both the scenario where I'm a wolf and half the scenario where you're a wolf.
Also Olimar I'm going to bitch you out post game like what even.
To be honest, because convincing people of Dude being a wolf goes along with you being a wolf, it's much easier to convince people you're a wolf, especially when Dude has, as Olimar has repeatedly pointed out, done nothing but go after E. Gadd. And you know that, of course.
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Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on January 04, 2017, 08:56:28 PMTo be honest, because convincing people of Dude being a wolf goes along with you being a wolf, it's much easier to convince people you're a wolf, especially when Dude has, as Olimar has repeatedly pointed out, done nothing but go after E. Gadd. And you know that, of course.
Well you avoided the bait so I'll just go with my first instinct.
TZP
Your first instinct was noc
then egadd
And who voted with me both times?
I mean, I don't agree with what he did, but he did mention he actively disagreed with the E. Gadd bandwagon.
FA you were unwilling to listen to me and give Egadd a chance, calling me a wolf for doing so. I voted Egadd anyway and now we're paying the price. You literally cannot afford to be wrong again because there's literally no one else to call a wolf after today.
I thought that was me...
You were unwilling to push your own lynch and just let me control everything. Maelstrom and daj were unwilling to do anything. Fuck nearly everyone agreed with me on those lynches anyways (otherwise they wouldn't of happened) so don't push it all on to me. You're in no position to talk anyways since you're trying to lynch me because you actually think BDS's story is plausible.
/rant
Friendly reminder that this phase ends in 24 hours. Also I kind of don't want to deal with this game anymore dudeman can you just end the based on today's results?
The voting is dead even and daj and TZP haven't voted yet.
I mean they still have some time to show up. I just don't want to go through the formality of another phase or two when whichever team wins depends on who gets lynched today.
Look, if you're tired of the game, I can do my best to end phases as soon as I get every vote from every person available each phase. I don't want to jump to conclusions about which way this game is going without knowing for sure.
No don't shorten this phase, I think TZP and Daj will probably vote they're just dealing with time zones right now. If you could shorten the next few phases though that'd be great.
And I don't mean tired as in I hate the game you came up with, I just don't want to deal with this situation anymore nor a prolonged ending thereof.
TZP
Ahaha thanks for the callout, it was the timezones indeed~
Legit though, i'm kinda disappointed the twg turned out like that. It was a fantastic game and a really goofy concept, but salt and more salt kinda ruined it.
Granted I guess I did make a huge mistake at the beginning which kinda took the game to a bad start, but it really shouldn't have ended like that :(
Anyways might as well follow FA since that's pretty much all I can do for the rest of the game haha. Kudos to a great game Dudeman, sorry for ruining it~
Yeah sorry I need to learn to just not talk when I'm bleeding salt
But salt is fun D:
Quote from: dajwxp on January 05, 2017, 02:40:02 PMAnyways might as well follow FA since that's pretty much all I can do for the rest of the game haha.
Boooooooo.
bds has superior seductive skills
I stopped caring enough about this game because I had nothing to prove and didn't get involved with logic puzzles or yelling at people.
Going with my gut, Firearrow
TZP (FA, Dude, Daj)
FA (BDS, Olimar, Mael)
Good games
I have no idea what to think. I still think FA seems human, and I'd prefer a Dude lynch, but if I safety on someone else, it's an insta between me and him, so I guess I have to go FA.
TZP
Excuse me, would you care to explain that?
Not really. Give me a tl;dr of why you shouldn't die
TWG XCIII: Get in the Fucking Bag
Game info usually goes here but you've been playing this long enough
1. davy
2. NocturneOfShadow
3. Maelstrom
4. BlackDragonSlayer
5. TheZeldaPianist275
6. dajwxp
7. Olimar12345
8. Dude
9. FireArrow
10. E. Gadd Industries
Knife in the box! TheZeldaPianist275 was screened by Looker. Looker is ecstatic because he finally gets to do his fucking job! TheZeldaPianist275 was sent to the Ultra Wormhole FOREVER.
It is now Night 4. BlackDragonSlayer and Maelstrom have exited the Bag. Night 4 will end in 24 hours (approximately 1 PM PST on 1/7/17) AT THE LATEST. If I receive all the votes/information I need before then, I will end the phase early. Remember to PM the host (me) with your two picks for Bagging.
FINALLY AUGH
we did it boys
also make sure to bag both maelstrom and daj we don't want BDS going back into the bag
Woo.
That wasn't a kitb, it was 4-3
Oh shiiiiiiiiiiiiit
Y'all are stupid.
Quote from: FireArrow on January 06, 2017, 02:02:21 PMalso make sure to bag both maelstrom and daj we don't want BDS going back into the bag
You do realize I have six bag votes, right?
Uh oh, we're at an impasse. Depending on how the wolves' votes work (which Dudeman will have to clarify) the game is essentially over.
Scenario 1
The wolves' bag votes are collective, meaning that since TZP died their votes have just halved. If this is the case, BDS can no longer gain enough votes to keep himself from being lynched, Humans Win.
Scenario 2
The wolves' bag votes exist as a number for the team, and aren't split between the two players. This would mean that TZP's death had no impact on the number of bag votes they had. If this is the case, there is no possible way the Humans (who's votes unlike the wolves, cannot stack) can ever force BDS out of the bag. BDS can never die in this scenario, Wolves Win.
Dudeman, please choose the winning team.
what the fuck was this game I made
humans fucking win because I can already see how this plays out congrats
postgame soon