TWG LXXXIX: Updatin'
1) Updater - accept/reject
2) Updater - accept/reject
3) Arranger - 2 subs
4) Arranger - 2 subs
5) Arranger - 2 subs
6) Arranger - 2 subs
7) Arranger - 2 subs
8) Arranger - 2 subs
Updaters win when all of the arrangers' submissions are gone. The updaters know each other. They have two abilities: 1) they can reject a submission (inverts the color of a submission in use) or 2) they can accept a submission (remove an arrangers submission when not in use). The updater does not need to specify which ability they are using, only the arranger they are targeting. This ability automatically targets submissions in use over idol ones. Each updater may use one of these abilities per night phase by pm-ing the host.
Arrangers win when they kill both updaters via lynch (lol). Arrangers do not know each other. They get two "submissions." These are abilities that can be used once per night, until they are gone. When used, the arranger gets to seer a random player. To use it, the arranger must pm the host. Once an arranger uses both of their submission, they are dead. Using the second submission also triggers death. At the end of every night phase, the total number of submissions will be revealed in the update post.
Each day phase the players will vote to lynch someone, deleting all of their submissions and removing them from the game. Arrangers who don't vote lose a submission. Each night phase the arrangers and updaters may choose to use one of their abilities. They may also choose not to use an ability.
Players:
1) davy
2) NocturneOfShadow
3) Maelstrom
4) E. Gadd Industries
5) dajwxp
6) BrainyLucario
7) braixen1264
8) BlackDragonSlayer
Substitute players:
1) TheZeldaPianist275
2) Bubbles
All role PM's have been sent out. It's now Night 1. Night 1 ends July 7th 9:00 PM CST (26.5 hours from this post)
FIRST
XD
Hai
hello dere mealstrom malestorm maelstrom
Oh, I forgot to say that I'll be a lot more active in this game, since it'll be the first one I'll have mobile access for, iirc. Which is good. :P
Oh I forgot I was playing pfffff
Last edit: For balancing purposes, the "first submissions used pm" from the host will not be happening. Instead, at the end of every night phase, the total number of submissions remaining will be revealed in the update post.
Good luck.
Just to be clear, seering results are public, right?
Grah sorry, first time hosting so here's a post to clear up confusion:
-for some reason I imagined subs not being available to use until night two (I guess from my experience with past games and how human abilities often aren't available on the first night). I didn't put this in the op though, sorry!
-The seering results will be the same as any ordinary game, in that you receive them in the form of a pm from the host. The only thing publicly announced is the total number of submissions remaining at the end of every night phase.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on July 07, 2016, 06:21:13 PM-The seering results will be the same as any ordinary game, in that you receive them in the form of a pm from the host. The only thing publicly announced is the total number of submissions remaining at the end of every night phase.
So the second submission is pretty much useless, then, if players die as soon as they use it?
Precisely! The point was to give everyone a chance to gamble using one.
TWG LXXXIX: Updatin'
1) Updater - accept/reject
2) Updater - accept/reject
3) Arranger - 2 subs
4) Arranger - 2 subs
5) Arranger - 2 subs
6) Arranger - 2 subs
7) Arranger - 2 subs
8) Arranger - 2 subs
Updaters win when all of the arrangers' submissions are gone. The updaters know each other. They have two abilities: 1) they can reject a submission (inverts the color of a submission in use) or 2) they can accept a submission (remove an arrangers submission when not in use). The updater does not need to specify which ability they are using, only the arranger they are targeting. This ability automatically targets submissions in use over idol ones. Each updater may use one of these abilities per night phase by pm-ing the host.
Arrangers win when they kill both updaters via lynch (lol). Arrangers do not know each other. They get two "submissions." These are abilities that can be used once per night, until they are gone. When used, the arranger gets to seer a random player. To use it, the arranger must pm the host. Once an arranger uses both of their submission, they are dead. Using the second submission also triggers death. At the end of every night phase, the total number of submissions will be revealed in the update post.
Each day phase the players will vote to lynch someone, deleting all of their submissions and removing them from the game. Arrangers who don't vote lose a submission. Each night phase the arrangers and updaters may choose to use one of their abilities. They may also choose not to use an ability.
Players:
1) davy
2) NocturneOfShadow
3) Maelstrom
4) E. Gadd Industries
5) dajwxp
6) BrainyLucario
7) braixen1264
8) BlackDragonSlayer
Substitute players:
1) TheZeldaPianist275
2) Bubbles
Night 1 has ended. A total of 10 submissions remain. It's now Day 1. Day 1 ends July 9th at 9:00 PM CST (48 hours from this post)
It's pretty clear that not all arrangers should use their subs next phase, as it will kill you if you use all of them.
Quote from: Maelstrom on July 07, 2016, 08:22:51 PMIt's pretty clear that not all arrangers should use their subs next phase, as it will kill you if you use all of them.
So the chance that using your sub kills you is one in three. Man. :p
Chat party at 4:00PM CST anyone?
I'd join.
Anyhoo, wow. That's huge! :/
PSA: Subs will replace players who don't vote this phase!
Crap! I missed the first night phase!
What's there to miss...?
Quote from: davy on July 08, 2016, 06:35:02 AMChat party at 4:00PM CST anyone?
I think it would be good if we had the chat link as well, just so nobody's confused where to go.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on July 08, 2016, 01:26:17 PMI think it would be good if we had the chat link as well, just so nobody's confused where to go.
http://chat.mibbit.com/?channel=%23NSMTWG&server=irc.mibbit.net
Quote from: BrainyLucario on July 08, 2016, 12:31:07 PMCrap! I missed the first night phase!
BrainyLucario, why did you think it was important to share that you missed a night phase in which only wolves have an action?
CRAP I forgot about the chat thing at 4:00. I was fixing a sheet. Hold up
Braixen and Maelstrom, why aren't you in the chatroom?
Because I just got home from work.
Why else?
I'll be in soon after I shower/eat supper.
Quote from: davy on July 08, 2016, 02:17:47 PMBrainyLucario, why did you think it was important to share that you missed a night phase in which only wolves have an action?
Because I didn't read the rules and didn't know I couldn't do anything in the night phase. I thought I could have done something. Why are you so quick to judge?
At this point, there isn't much to work with. I don't want to be too hesitant to jump to conclusions.
Quote from: BrainyLucario on July 08, 2016, 04:04:08 PMBecause I didn't read the rules and didn't know I couldn't do anything in the night phase. I thought I could have done something. Why are you so quick to judge?
Because judging people is what you're supposed to do in this game. Also because this game needs to get going in some way or another.
Anyway, I hope you guys discuss some more tonight because this game needs some more activity. See you tomorrow.
chatlog
23:02 *** davy joined #NSMTWG
23:03 davy Ohai
23:04 BlackDragonSlayer Hello.
23:07 BlackDragonSlayer we should totally lynch maelstrom
23:07 davy why?
23:07 BlackDragonSlayer because he's actually an updater
23:07 davy lol
23:10 davy What do you think about Brainy's post?
23:12 BlackDragonSlayer It's interesting that you bring that up; I assume I'm thinking the same thing about it that you are- that it may be a poor attempt to suggest that he wasn't present at all during the night phase, and thus, would be unable to submit night actions as a wolf?
23:13 BlackDragonSlayer Like E. Gadd said, though: "What's there to miss...?"
23:15 davy Exactly, there were no human actions last night phase, so the only action brainy could miss was wolfing.
23:16 davy I'm placing a tentative vote on Brainy so he will have to explain himself.
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23:38 Gadd Hi!
23:41 davy Hi there
23:41 davy BDS and I were talking about Brainy's post.
23:42 davy We both found it odd.
23:42 BlackDragonSlayer Yep.
23:42 davy I would ask for your oppinion about his post, but you've kind off expressed it already in the topic.
23:43 Gadd Yeah, I just find it off that he would care about the night phase.
23:44 Gadd Well, my dad is wanting me to actually be productive around the house. I should be back in 15 mins (if I'm lucky -_-)
23:44 Gadd Ttfn!
23:46 davy A question for when you get back online, you said in a post "that's huge". What were you referring to?
23:47 Gadd The one out of three chance post that dajxwp (or however you spell his user) said.
23:48 davy oh, right.
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00:15 *** BlackDragonSlayer quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
Aww man, couldn't make it on the chat thingy. Time zones suck.
Anyway, something weird is going on! I think we might all be getting confused or something. Arranger peeps
can do stuff during the night. By using one of their ability-thingies they can seer another player.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on July 06, 2016, 04:34:44 PMArrangers win when they kill both updaters via lynch (lol). Arrangers do not know each other. They get two "submissions." These are abilities that can be used once per night, until they are gone.
When used, the arranger gets to seer a random player. To use it, the arranger must pm the host. Once an arranger uses both of their submission, they are dead. Using the second submission also triggers death. At the end of every night phase, the total number of submissions will be revealed in the update post.
So,
davy sir, I'm not too sure if you're playing a cool misdirection tactic that involves playing around the rules (which is awesome haha) orrrr you're just as confused as Brainy, but my finger's on you! Hehe. Nothing personal ^^
Quote from: davy on July 08, 2016, 04:21:39 PM23:47 Gadd The one out of three chance post that dajxwp (or however you spell his user) said.
it's okay! sometimes i wonder how and why i spelt my name like that too. you tried and that makes me happy <3
you can call me daj if you want tho~
Btw, arrangers couldn't do anything night phase 1.
Oh, and I'm finally in the chat for a bit.
Quote from: Olimar12345 on July 07, 2016, 06:21:13 PM-for some reason I imagined subs not being available to use until night two (I guess from my experience with past games and how human abilities often aren't available on the first night). I didn't put this in the op though, sorry!
Likely, davy saw this, which suggests that, even if we wanted to (unless I'm mistaken), we couldn't have used any powers anyway.
Ninja'd by Maelstrom. :P At least I'm on a new page!
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on July 08, 2016, 06:02:26 PMLikely, davy saw this, which suggests that, even if we wanted to (unless I'm mistaken), we couldn't have used any powers anyway.
ohh. my bad.
erm.
whoops ^^;
eep, you can't edit your past votes, soooooo if davy you die and you're innocent then i'm sorry ^^; in advance
You can't edit posts, correct, but you are allowed to change your vote in a new post! :D
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on July 08, 2016, 06:18:46 PMYou can't edit posts, correct, but you are allowed to change your vote in a new post! :D
oh, you can? sweet! ^^
Change vote to BrainyLucario. Just because now everything davy said makes sense~
Safety on myself to avoid lynching and because I'd rather have a safety now than be caught without it later.
Quote from: dajwxp on July 08, 2016, 05:56:05 PMit's okay! sometimes i wonder how and why i spelt my name like that too. you tried and that makes me happy <3
you can call me daj if you want tho~
Nice! I will, daj ;)
Hmmmm... I'll be in the chat now. Other than that, it's still too early for me to decide on a vote.
Fine.. If you want to vote on me that's fine. I'll just be laughing from the sidelines when you all realize you screwed up. Everybody always picks me first for no apparent reason. I post once and everyone just assumes I'm an updator. I wasn't in the discussion for the whole conversation in TWG sign up. I wasn't active and decided to post so I wouldn't be counted as inactive. Use some common sense and stop bandwagoning. I would place a vote on myself. But I hope you guys smart up and realize that I'm not the Updator.
Quit your whining, Brainy, someone has to be the first one to get lynched. If you want to prevent being lynched give us an alternative lynch option.
Fine...Daj ha to change his vote due to the fact that he thought you could do somethin on night one if you are the arranger. Aweful suspicious..
Quote from: BrainyLucario on July 09, 2016, 09:08:54 AMFine...Daj ha to change his vote due to the fact that he thought you could do somethin on night one if you are the arranger. Aweful suspicious..
Ooh.
That is a sneaky play. Well played, hehe.
Erm, judge as you like, everyone! ^^
also guys this is a game! it's an incredibly salty game but it's still a game! soo let's not bite each others' heads off ^^
Brainy, I don't follow?
Actually, Brainy, I don't follow?
I'll change it if you can explain this well enough. It's confusing.
I'd like to add, that, doing the math, both updaters sent in their not-wolfings N1, unless the missing party could have their vote cast by the other updater?
Are they allowed to do this, Olimar?
Quote from: Olimar12345 on July 06, 2016, 04:34:44 PMEach updater may use one of these abilities per night phase
Quote from: BrainyLucario on July 09, 2016, 09:08:54 AMFine...Daj ha to change his vote due to the fact that he thought you could do somethin on night one if you are the arranger. Aweful suspicious..
Fair point, but why should we vote daj over you?
Quote from: dajwxp on July 08, 2016, 06:23:11 PMChange vote to BrainyLucario. Just because now everything davy said makes sense~
Same question to you, daj. You've made the same error as Brainy, why should we vote Brainy over you?
But what about the inactive players? If there's more than 2 (we have 2 substitutes, yes?), I'll change my vote to one of them.
Quote from: davy on July 08, 2016, 03:07:49 PMBraixen and Maelstrom, why aren't you in the chatroom?
wait theres a chatroom? I can't find it ._.
Quote from: braixen1264 on July 09, 2016, 01:42:15 PMwait theres a chatroom? I can't find it ._.
Quote from: davy on July 08, 2016, 01:41:45 PMhttp://chat.mibbit.com/?channel=%23NSMTWG&server=irc.mibbit.net
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on July 09, 2016, 12:29:40 PMBut what about the inactive players? If there's more than 2 (we have 2 substitutes, yes?), I'll change my vote to one of them.
It might be safe to vote off one of them honestly. I'm honestly not too sure what we should do...
Because no one is saying/doing anything! (Aside from me, you, davy, daj, Maelstrom, and BDS)
I say we all go to the chatroom around 6:30 PM CST. Sound good?
I won't be online :/
3.5 hours remain.
I'm going to sleep now, but as a final comment:
Quote from: BrainyLucario on July 09, 2016, 02:23:48 PMQuote from: E. Gadd Industries on July 09, 2016, 12:29:40 PMBut what about the inactive players? If there's more than 2 (we have 2 substitutes, yes?), I'll change my vote to one of them.
It might be safe to vote off one of them honestly. I'm honestly not too sure what we should do...
Going after inactives (which is basicly only Nocturne at this point), is pretty much always a bad strategy. Especially when they are going to be replaced anyway.
Whatever just replace me with somebody else, I'm not going to be able to invest time into learning the game let alone play it
Quote from: braixen1264 on July 09, 2016, 04:34:24 PMWhatever just replace me with somebody else, I'm not going to be able to invest time into learning the game let alone play it
It's a pretty simple game for anyone who's played a TWG before >:(
Quote from: Olimar12345 on July 09, 2016, 04:36:41 PMIt's a pretty simple game for anyone who's played a TWG before >:(
Emphasis on played before
Quote from: davy on July 09, 2016, 12:26:42 PMSame question to you, daj. You've made the same error as Brainy, why should we vote Brainy over you?
Weeelllll I guess I wasn't trying to defend myself as much as I was trying to frame others, hehe.
Remember I tried to shoot you down instantly! Without even checking the rules updates. And it's only Day 1. Wolves generally play more conservatively, because they're outnumbered. There's no reason for a wolf to make so much noise haha, especially on the first night ^^
Plus, you know your identity; if you're a human then you know that this is one big misunderstanding, haha ^^;. No reason to bite off my own kind if they
haven't played dirty tactics :)
Voting for Daj though I'll probably still be lynched anyway. Gg everyone. Hope you regret your decision you based off of one reply.
Quote from: BrainyLucario on July 09, 2016, 02:23:48 PMIt might be safe to vote off one of them honestly. I'm honestly not too sure what we should do...
Oh, well
of course you want to vote for the inactives... :P
Quote from: dajwxp on July 09, 2016, 05:35:51 PMWeeelllll I guess I wasn't trying to defend myself as much as I was trying to frame others, hehe.
Remember I tried to shoot you down instantly! Without even checking the rules updates. And it's only Day 1. Wolves generally play more conservatively, because they're outnumbered. There's no reason for a wolf to make so much noise haha, especially on the first night ^^
Plus, you know your identity; if you're a human then you know that this is one big misunderstanding, haha ^^;. No reason to bite off my own kind if they haven't played dirty tactics :)
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here: Are you saying you're a human (Arranger) or wolf (Updater)...? The way that you worded this post is a little unclear, and comes across as if you're possibly admitting to being a wolf (still calling them that because it's easier).
dajwxp for now, but might change my vote to Brainy later (sorry :P).
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on July 09, 2016, 06:33:30 PMI'm not sure what you're trying to say here: Are you saying you're a human (Arranger) or wolf (Updater)...? The way that you worded this post is a little unclear, and comes across as if you're possibly admitting to being a wolf (still calling them that because it's easier).
We're all supposed to admit that we're arrangers, right? ^^; I mean, I'm kinda trying to reason you guys against pointing fingers at the wrong person. Hehe.
I guess I did make one colossal fuq-up that might have skewed the game though, haha. Oh wellz.
Quotedajwxp for now, but might change my vote to Brainy later (sorry :P).
yeah oh wellz. hooray? ^^;
i dont wanna die :(
TWG LXXXIX: Updatin'
1) Updater - accept/reject
2) Updater - accept/reject
3) Arranger - 2 subs
4) Arranger - 2 subs
5) Arranger - 2 subs
6) Arranger - 2 subs
7) Arranger - 2 subs
8) Arranger - 2 subs
Updaters win when all of the arrangers' submissions are gone. The updaters know each other. They have two abilities: 1) they can reject a submission (inverts the color of a submission in use) or 2) they can accept a submission (remove an arrangers submission when not in use). The updater does not need to specify which ability they are using, only the arranger they are targeting. This ability automatically targets submissions in use over idol ones. Each updater may use one of these abilities per night phase by pm-ing the host.
Arrangers win when they kill both updaters via lynch (lol). Arrangers do not know each other. They get two "submissions." These are abilities that can be used once per night, until they are gone. When used, the arranger gets to seer a random player. To use it, the arranger must pm the host. Once an arranger uses both of their submission, they are dead. Using the second submission also triggers death. At the end of every night phase, the total number of submissions will be revealed in the update post.
Each day phase the players will vote to lynch someone, deleting all of their submissions and removing them from the game. Arrangers who don't vote lose a submission. Each night phase the arrangers and updaters may choose to use one of their abilities. They may also choose not to use an ability.
Players:
1) davy
2) NocturneOfShadow
3) Maelstrom
4) E. Gadd Industries
5) dajwxp
6) BrainyLucario
7) braixen1264
8) BlackDragonSlayer
Substitute players:
1) TheZeldaPianist275
2) Bubbles
Day 1 has ended. BrainyLucario has been lynched and braixen1264 has died. It's now Night 2. Night 2 ends July 10th at 9:00 PM CST (24 hours from this post)
Quote from: dajwxp on July 09, 2016, 06:42:40 PMi dont wanna die :(
You were never really at risk of being lynched unless somebody else had voted for you, considering Brainy had three votes, and you, at the most, two.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on July 09, 2016, 07:10:47 PMYou were never really at risk of being lynched unless somebody else had voted for you, considering Brainy had three votes, and you, at the most, two.
buuuut now i'm blacklisted for the next day phase :p
hehe.
When will the substitutes be put in?
As soon as one of them replies. Looks like Bubbles or TZP will take over for Noc.
NocturneOfShadow's roll PM has been sent to TheZeldaPianist275. They will be taking over for NocturneOfShadow. Good luck!
why hello there
PSA: the "minus one sub for not voting" was not applied to Noc/TZP since he literally hasn't posted once in this topic. That rule will apply as normal from now on.
Hi! :D
I should have prayed to the almighty George Foreman...
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Roughly one hour remaining.
TWG LXXXIX: Updatin'
1) Updater - accept/reject
2) Updater - accept/reject
3) Arranger - 2 subs
4) Arranger - 2 subs
5) Arranger - 2 subs
6) Arranger - 2 subs
7) Arranger - 2 subs
8) Arranger - 2 subs
Updaters win when all of the arrangers' submissions are gone. The updaters know each other. They have two abilities: 1) they can reject a submission (inverts the color of a submission in use) or 2) they can accept a submission (remove an arrangers submission when not in use). The updater does not need to specify which ability they are using, only the arranger they are targeting. This ability automatically targets submissions in use over idol ones. Each updater may use one of these abilities per night phase by pm-ing the host.
Arrangers win when they kill both updaters via lynch (lol). Arrangers do not know each other. They get two "submissions." These are abilities that can be used once per night, until they are gone. When used, the arranger gets to seer a random player. To use it, the arranger must pm the host. Once an arranger uses both of their submission, they are dead. Using the second submission also triggers death. At the end of every night phase, the total number of submissions will be revealed in the update post.
Each day phase the players will vote to lynch someone, deleting all of their submissions and removing them from the game. Arrangers who don't vote lose a submission. Each night phase the arrangers and updaters may choose to use one of their abilities. They may also choose not to use an ability.
Players:
1) davy
2) TheZeldaPianist275
3) Maelstrom
4) E. Gadd Industries
5) dajwxp
6) BrainyLucario
7) braixen1264
8) BlackDragonSlayer
Substitute player:
1) Bubbles
Night 2 has ended. BlackDragonSlayer has died. A total of 3 submissions remain. It's now Day 2. Day 2 ends July 12th at 9:00 PM CST (47 hours from this post)
what the heck just happened D:
how come we're suddenly dead??
man. this sucks.
(by dead i mean "left with three lives")
Avenge meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...
10 subs>3 subs in one night.
Analysis:
Two subs were lost for not voting.
That makes 8.
1-2 subs when BL was lynched
That makes 6-7.
Up to 2 subs could be lost by updaters N2.
That makes 4-5
(probably)At least one person used a sub.
AN UNCERTIANTITIY: IF THE UPDATERS TARGET SOMEONE WITH A NOT-WOLFING, AND THAT PERSON USED A SUB, WHAT HAPPENS?
Possibilities:
1. BDS used his last sub and died (Losing his first one N1), meaning Braix only had one, and BL had two left.
--That would mean 0-2 people got subs in, probably the latter unless BDS was targeted and accidently suicided.
2. BDS was targeted twice. Braix still only had one, but BL could have had one or two.
--This is a terrible choice from the updaters, and means 1-2 subs went through.
3. BDS was finished off after losing a sub both N1 and N2.
--Another terrible choice,
Aw, screw it. I'm not writing this out, because I just realized that each surviving person has one sub, which pretty much makes this irrelevant.
I'll just come out and say it.
I used a sub last night because I was bored, and it came back RED
It was Davy.
Honestly, this isn't that surprising, as he successfully bandwagoned against BL with no evidence whatsoever. Evidence, that, in fact, pointed to him as an arranger.
All right, time to roll up the sleeves.
davy - I'm cautious of you. Nothing you've done is obscenely wolfy, but you're an experienced enough player that that goes without saying. You pushing Brainy's lynch feels manipulative. Scanning through Brainy's previous games, that comment just seems characteristic of the guy.
TZP - Hi
Maelstrom - Updater irl insta plz. All jokes aside, I really don't have much to go off with you, as you haven't said much.
E. Gadd - Same deal here. Not much has even happened in this game to go off of, but your comments don't strike me as wolfy.
Daj - I gotta admit, I don't understand a bunch of the things you've said. Why on earth are you "blacklisted" for this day phase? I haven't seen any "colossal" mess-ups, either; you are pretty high on my suspicion list (such as it is) right now.
Brainy - I could see it both ways. Not sure your lynch was a particularly wise move, but like Davy said, the game did need to get moving.
Braixen - certainly an arranger, or he wouldn't have been "phantomed" Day 1. That, and the fact that I think he would have put more effort if he was an updater. That's kind of annoying.
BDS - In my 3-year hiatus from NSM, I have to admit that I missed your particular brand of argument. Wish you were here, pal.
I'm gonna throw this out there: I have only one submission remaining because I was attacked by an updater, not because I used a seering. If someone has seering results they would care to share, it's time to do or die, because if we don't lynch an updater, we lose.
Discuss.
Woops, forgot to vote for davy.
Oh, hai tzp.
I wrote stuff.
Oh, majorly ninja'd.
I think a Davy lynch is a good idea today, but an insta would not be, so I'm not going to vote yet.
Maelstrom, from the op:
Quote from: Olimar12345 on July 06, 2016, 04:34:44 PMThe updaters know each other. They have two abilities: 1) they can reject a submission (inverts the color of a submission in use) or 2) they can accept a submission (remove an arrangers submission when not in use). The updater does not need to specify which ability they are using, only the arranger they are targeting. This ability automatically targets submissions in use over idol ones.
If the updaters target an arranger who sent in a submission the same night, it will be inverted (red -> green or green -> red).
Three possibilities, then.
1) Maelstrom sent in a seering without being targeted by an updater and got an accurate result, and Davy is an updater.
2) Maelstrom sent in a seering and got updated (lol), in which case Davy is an arranger who got framed.
3) Maelstrom is just making up his seering to push a Davy lynch.
Again, discuss.
Check my math.
If BDS didn't use a Sub, you didn't use a sub, and no one else used a sub, then my sub could not have been inverted.
Let's wait to see if anyone claims they used one.
Doesn't your math hinge on the fact that Brainy had 1 or 2 submissions to lose when he was lynched? Because if he was an updater, he wouldn't have had any.
I blindly but politely agree to your thinkamajigs! :D
davy.
Maelstrom is innocent! I seer'd him and he seems pretty nice anyway.
daj, please retract your vote. If we're wrong about Davy, that gives an updater the opportunity to vote for him and insta, in which case we lose.
Just posting here to say that TZP is green.
Defense will be in a later post, as I am busy this morning.
And daj, like TZP said, please remove your vote from me, I don't like to be wolf rushed.
Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on July 10, 2016, 10:00:47 PMdaj, please retract your vote. If we're wrong about Davy, that gives an updater the opportunity to vote for him and insta, in which case we lose.
b-buuuut if we don't immediately destroy him then we're left with a maximum of three subs on the next night! if no wolves were lynched (which is probable), then we're losing two of that in the next night, so that means that we'll be left with one arranger, and that's an insta the next day phase anyway.
I think we need to hold on to this hunch.
...But for now, yeah. let's give it some time maybe.
retract vote.
Quote from: Maelstrom on July 10, 2016, 09:13:50 PMCheck my math.
If BDS didn't use a Sub, you didn't use a sub, and no one else used a sub, then my sub could not have been inverted.
Let's wait to see if anyone claims they used one.
Let's for the sake of the argument assume BDS used a sub, because like you said, double targeting BDS this night phase or targeting him twice in a row is a terrible choice for the arrangers.
E. Gadd hasn't claimed nor denied that he sent in a sub yet, so I'm going to show that in both cases, there are multiple scenarios in which I am an arranger.
If E. Gadd didn't sent in a sub, we have three players who claimed to have sent in a sub, and two players who assume they were targeted. At least one seering result is inverted or claimed by a wolf, who have no obligation to be truthful about the seering. From my perspective, knowing that I'm an arranger, that means the following wolf duo's are possible:
1. Mael & Daj: both of them are lying about the color they recieved. They targeted TZP and E. Gadd last night phase.
2. Mael & E. Gadd: Mael is lying about the color he recieved and Daj got his seering inverted. TZP was also targeted last night phase.
3. Daj & E. Gadd: Daj was truthful about Mael's color. Mael got his seering inverted and TZP was targeted as well.
4. E. Gadd & TZP: Mael and I were targeted last night phase giving us inverted seerings.
Now, if E. Gadd did use a sub (or at least claims he used a sub), we have four people who claimed they used a sub, as well as TZP, who claims he got wolfed. Out of those four players, only one gives a correct result, because either TZP is a human, which means he was targeted, another human was targeted and got his seer result inverted, one human got a correct result and the other two are wolves, who have no obligation to be truthful about their seering. If TZP is a wolf, two humans were targeted and got their seer result inverted, one human got a correct result and the remaining one is a wolf. In other words, out of all the seerings we are going to see, only one is going to be correct. From my perspective, knowing that I'm an arranger, that means the following wolf duo's are possible:
1. Mael & Daj: both of them are lying about the color they recieved. They targeted TZP and E. Gadd last night phase.
2. Mael & E. Gadd: Mael is lying and Daj got his seering inverted. TZP was also targeted last night phase.
3. Mael & TZP: Mael is lying and Daj as well as I got our seering inverted.
4. Daj & E. Gadd: Daj was truthful of Mael's color. Mael got his seering inverted. TZP was also targeted last night phase.
5. Daj & TZP: Daj was truthful of Mael's color. Mael and I got our seering inverted.
6. TZP & E. Gadd: Mael and I were targeted last night phase giving us inverted seerings.
Summarized, that means that just because Mael claims he seered me red it doesn't mean I'm an updater, in fact, there are multiple possibilities for me to not be an updater.
This post has gone on for long enough, I'll write the remainder of my defense in my next post.
GUISE!!! Ok, I used a submission last night!
I seer'd davy red!
I KNEW IT
I'm voting davy!
E Gadd, remove your vote darnit I said I didn't want to be wolf rushed
Quote from: Maelstrom on July 10, 2016, 09:02:23 PMHonestly, this isn't that surprising, as he successfully bandwagoned against BL with no evidence whatsoever. Evidence, that, in fact, pointed to him as an arranger.
Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on July 10, 2016, 09:02:46 PMdavy - I'm cautious of you. Nothing you've done is obscenely wolfy, but you're an experienced enough player that that goes without saying. You pushing Brainy's lynch feels manipulative. Scanning through Brainy's previous games, that comment just seems characteristic of the guy.
So outside of me supposedly being seered red, the main point against me is pushing for Brainy's lynch. First of all, I'd like to state that I didn't bandwagon, I started the lynch on Brainy. Secondly, what are you talking about Mael? Brainy posted that he missed the night phase, and the only players that had anything to miss during the night phase were the Updaters. BDS agreed with me that it was sketchy. Thirdly, yes I pushed for a lynch with little evidence, but in my book, that still better than pushing for a lynch with no evidence or even worse, not participating in the lynching at all, regardless of what team I play for. Had there been a better lynch alternative, I would have gone for it, but there wasn't at that time.
Fortunately, there are good lynch options now, namely
Maelstrom and dajwxp.
Maelstrom because he was pretty silent last day phase, not even participating in the lynch. This is a popular wolf strategy day one, because it keeps you out of the spotlight (and look where being in the spotlight brought me in this game). However, Mael is smart enough to know he cannot keep silent for the entire game, so on this crucial day phase, he drops a bomb to get everyone to lynch me, which would allow him to win on the next day phase. This behaviour seems the most wolfish of what I have seen in this game so far.
Daj because bandwagons. Daj had his vote on me for a short amount of time before switching to Brainy, which means he was just joining the bandwagon. Now this phase, he's also joining the bandwagon and even willing to end the phase early. This really screams like an attempt to wolf rush, or it could just be an inexperienced play. Either way, it's enough to get me suspicious of you.
Quote from: davy on July 11, 2016, 05:27:50 AMNow, if E. Gadd did use a sub (or at least claims he used a sub), we have four people who claimed they used a sub, as well as TZP, who claims he got wolfed. Out of those four players, only one gives a correct result, because either TZP is a human, which means he was targeted, another human was targeted and got his seer result inverted, one human got a correct result and the other two are wolves, who have no obligation to be truthful about their seering. If TZP is a wolf, two humans were targeted and got their seer result inverted, one human got a correct result and the remaining one is a wolf. In other words, out of all the seerings we are going to see, only one is going to be correct. From my perspective, knowing that I'm an arranger, that means the following wolf duo's are possible:
1. Mael & Daj: both of them are lying about the color they recieved. They targeted TZP and E. Gadd last night phase.
2. Mael & E. Gadd: Mael is lying and Daj got his seering inverted. TZP was also targeted last night phase.
3. Mael & TZP: Mael is lying and Daj as well as I got our seering inverted.
4. Daj & E. Gadd: Daj was truthful of Mael's color. Mael got his seering inverted. TZP was also targeted last night phase.
5. Daj & TZP: Daj was truthful of Mael's color. Mael and I got our seering inverted.
6. TZP & E. Gadd: Mael and I were targeted last night phase giving us inverted seerings.
Quoting this because relevant. There are two wolves alive, because otherwise we would have at least 4 subs remaining. Out of the seering results we've got here, there is only one correct seering by a human and at least one inverted seering by a human based on what I determined above. If my seering was inverted, TZP is red, which means he is a wolf and another seering was inverted. In other words one of E. Gadd's, Daj's and Mael's seering was inverted. If either E. Gadd's seering or Mael's seering was inverted, than I am an arranger and the other one of the two was lying. If Daj's seering was inverted Mael is an updater and unless anyone has some crazy theory of Mael and I being wolf partners, that means I'm not an updater.
Basicly, in every scenario I am not an updater.
Insta!
davy
why
Quick post recapping claimed settings:
Seer -- Target -- Color
Mael -- davy -- Red
TZP -- No one- says was targeted by wolves
davy -- TZP -- Green
edkt
OIJAFSDOIJOIFSAHOI
NOOOO
Daj for wolf 2016
Quote from: Maelstrom on July 11, 2016, 09:33:42 AMDaj for wolf 2016
or worst/most clueless/most yolo/most fuqed-up player 2016
TWG LXXXIX: Updatin'
1) Updater - accept/reject
2) Updater - accept/reject
3) Arranger - 2 subs
4) Arranger - 2 subs
5) Arranger - 2 subs
6) Arranger - 2 subs
7) Arranger - 2 subs
8) Arranger - 2 subs
Updaters win when all of the arrangers' submissions are gone. The updaters know each other. They have two abilities: 1) they can reject a submission (inverts the color of a submission in use) or 2) they can accept a submission (remove an arrangers submission when not in use). The updater does not need to specify which ability they are using, only the arranger they are targeting. This ability automatically targets submissions in use over idol ones. Each updater may use one of these abilities per night phase by pm-ing the host.
Arrangers win when they kill both updaters via lynch (lol). Arrangers do not know each other. They get two "submissions." These are abilities that can be used once per night, until they are gone. When used, the arranger gets to seer a random player. To use it, the arranger must pm the host. Once an arranger uses both of their submission, they are dead. Using the second submission also triggers death. At the end of every night phase, the total number of submissions will be revealed in the update post.
Each day phase the players will vote to lynch someone, deleting all of their submissions and removing them from the game. Arrangers who don't vote lose a submission. Each night phase the arrangers and updaters may choose to use one of their abilities. They may also choose not to use an ability.
Players:
1) davy
2) TheZeldaPianist275
3) Maelstrom
4) E. Gadd Industries
5) dajwxp
6) BrainyLucario
7) braixen1264
8) BlackDragonSlayer
Substitute player:
1) Bubbles
Day 2 has ended. davy has been lynched. Insta's do not yield punishments from not voting. It's now Night 3. Night 3 ends July 12th at 9:00 PM CST (32.5 hours from this post)
Oh.
Daj, explain why you insta'd Davy
If we don't all die tonight, davy was an updater.
No way was Davy an updater. Daj is practically screaming "I'm a wolf" at this point, and he insta'd Davy.
But what if we all do die tonight??? :(
Roughly 3.5 hours remain!
TWG LXXXIX: Updatin'
1) Updater - accept/reject
2) Updater - accept/reject
3) Arranger - 2 subs
4) Arranger - 2 subs
5) Arranger - 2 subs
6) Arranger - 2 subs
7) Arranger - 2 subs
8) Arranger - 2 subs
Updaters win when all of the arrangers' submissions are gone. The updaters know each other. They have two abilities: 1) they can reject a submission (inverts the color of a submission in use) or 2) they can accept a submission (remove an arrangers submission when not in use). The updater does not need to specify which ability they are using, only the arranger they are targeting. This ability automatically targets submissions in use over idol ones. Each updater may use one of these abilities per night phase by pm-ing the host.
Arrangers win when they kill both updaters via lynch (lol). Arrangers do not know each other. They get two "submissions." These are abilities that can be used once per night, until they are gone. When used, the arranger gets to seer a random player. To use it, the arranger must pm the host. Once an arranger uses both of their submission, they are dead. Using the second submission also triggers death. At the end of every night phase, the total number of submissions will be revealed in the update post.
Each day phase the players will vote to lynch someone, deleting all of their submissions and removing them from the game. Arrangers who don't vote lose a submission. Each night phase the arrangers and updaters may choose to use one of their abilities. They may also choose not to use an ability.
Players:
1) davy
2) TheZeldaPianist275
3) Maelstrom
4) E. Gadd Industries
5) dajwxp
6) BrainyLucario
7) braixen1264
8) BlackDragonSlayer
Substitute player:
1) Bubbles
Night 3 has ended. A total of 3 Submissions remain. It's now Day 3. Day 3 ends July 14th at 9:00 PM CST (48 hours from this post)
Hang on a sec, the game's not over? ._.
now i'm confused haha
though i was always kinda confused :p
what.
Olimar, aren't you supposed to tell us how many submissions remain?
Also, this should go without saying, but no one vote yet to avoid a potential wolfrush.
Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on July 12, 2016, 07:55:23 PMOlimar, aren't you supposed to tell us how many submissions remain?
Whoops, that insta threw me off. Update post updated!
So, we hit a wolf and the other wolf didn't get on?
I was very wrong, it seems, and davy was an updater. The question is, why on earth did the one remaining updater not go for a kill last night?
Quote from: Maelstrom on July 12, 2016, 08:16:35 PMSo, we hit a wolf and the other wolf didn't get on?
What do you mean by "get on"?
Quote from: Maelstrom on July 12, 2016, 08:16:35 PMSo, we hit a wolf and the other wolf didn't get on?
orrrr both wolves did that switching thing, though that's not as fun as eating up submissions when people have only one left (and would die if they used their own sub anyway)
Umm basically mael's right. Think the other wolf didn't manage to come online, and so he he missed the night phase :)
Which points to E. Gadd, since he's been the least active and is on a missions trip right now, but I want to hear him out first--and he did post during the night phase, so we're left with a wolf who had the opportunity to kill but decided to play mindgames instead.
But daj was the only one who didn't post lsst night
??? This updater is smart. They're trying to go for me in not doing anything yesterday, by trying to turn everyone against me. (I got signal, can you believe it???)
Anyhoo, why would they have a reason to target me?
Then again, how would that be smart in trying to target me? What threat am I to them (aside from the obvious that everyone is a threat to them)?
Actually, this was brilliant, albeit probably not intentional.
The wolves would win if we lynch or mislynch, and now there are more choices to choose from.
Well played wolves, well played.
If we mislynch, it comes down to a KitB tomorrow, assuming of course that they use their update tonight.
In essence, since we can quite safely assume that there's one wolf and three humans left, we kinda need to get the lynch right. Hmmmmmmm
Now that we're quite certain that davy was an updater, aaaand with a little bit of fun counting thingies, I'm quite certain that my seer wasnt inverted and Mael is a nice guy :). Oh, and a human. A good guy too. Whee ^^
Which leaves E Gadd and TZP ;) bwahahaha here come the accusations
The one significant move that E Gadd made this game was to vote davy out the last round. If you're a bad guy then you know your accomplice, so it'd be a pretty weird move to feed someone an insta-kill.
And then we come to you, my friend tzp (:<
You're really good at this game haha. But something feels weird when you don't at least suspect davy after two red seerings (maybe you only saw one buuuut you know, suspicion! didn't see that for the most part.), and not only did you avoid voting on Day 2; you convinced us (me, at least, dang) to play more conservatively in order to try to prevent davy from being wolfrushed. This was in a scenario where the arranger-good-guys would certainly lose in the event that we didn't nab a wolf on that day phase, and Brainy was not a wolf. Which the night phase almost definitively proved that he wasn't.
I think you've been loyally protecting your teammate from us too well, and that gives your identity away ;)
either that or e gadd fed an insta because mindgames and he's really good at this game
Daj, go back to page 6. If you recall, I was the first to voice suspicion of Davy (well, almost, Mael beat me by 23 seconds). I literally said this:
Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on July 10, 2016, 09:09:14 PMI think a Davy lynch is a good idea today
Then I went to sleep, and when I woke up, all three of you guys had voted for him, ending the phase before I could even weigh in on your accusations or Davy's defense. It absolutely looked like a wolfrush, and I think all the players can agree--updater or arranger--that you, Daj, dropping an insta after two of us explicitly told you not to is the wolfiest thing that anyone has done all game. I thought sure the game was over, that you swooped in to get rid of an arranger and would win with a fellow updater in the night phase. Obviously, that's not what happened, because the total amount of submissions remained unchanged for this day-night cycle, and since Davy was the only one killed, that guarantees that he was an updater.
Returning to the subs used by remaining players night 2--
TZP: did not submit a seering
Maelstrom: seered Davy red
E. Gadd: seered Davy red
Daj: seered Mael green
One of you faked a seering. I am not inclined to think that it's Mael, because he did correctly call out Davy as an updater. This means that he hasn't been targeted all game. I had to have been targeted on Night 2, since I did not use a seering. Possibilities, then.
1. BDS was targeted and killed, Mael received a correct seering on Davy, E. Gadd received a correct seering on Davy, and Daj faked a seering on Mael.
2. BDS was targeted and killed, Mael received a correct seering on Davy, E. Gadd faked a seering on Davy, and Daj received a correct seering on Mael.
3. BDS killed himself by using his last submission, Mael received a correct seering on Davy, E. Gadd faked a seering on Davy, and Daj received an incorrect seering on Mael.
As a final note, I feel that my humanity should be obvious, since I came in a replacement player. Players who get a wolf role are very rarely inactive, since they have the rarer and more manipulative role.
I got service!
I'm going with a random vote to avoid being lynched for no vote:
daj
This mission trip is really inconvenient. >:/
Quote from: E. Gadd Industries on July 13, 2016, 05:23:20 PMI got service!
I'm going with a random vote to avoid being lynched for no vote:
daj
This mission trip is really inconvenient. >:/
b-but...bro...what did i do to you D:
...
Fine!~ we can not be friends too.
E. Gadd(no hard feelings btw haha much cheers ^^)
Right now, I'm stuck between TZP and daj.
Daj, because he's just suspicious as all get out.
TZP, because he has some experiences, and he forgot to mention that davy claimed he seer'd TZP green.
It would be stupid of davy to associate himself with an updater, but it seemed really innocuous at the time.
TZP for now, subject to change.
Quote from: Maelstrom on July 13, 2016, 05:59:23 PMIt would be stupid of davy to associate himself with an updater, but it seemed really innocuous at the time.
Rephrase:
It would be stupid for davy to claim that someone was human when they were an updater in case he got lynched.
Quote from: Maelstrom on July 13, 2016, 05:59:23 PMIt would be stupid of davy to associate himself with an updater, but it seemed really innocuous at the time.
Rephrase:
It would be stupid for davy to claim that someone was human when they were an updater in case he got lynched.
Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on July 13, 2016, 11:30:39 AMReturning to the subs used by remaining players night 2--
TZP: did not submit a seering
Maelstrom: seered Davy red
E. Gadd: seered Davy red
Daj: seered Mael green
The only reason I didn't include it in there was because we know for a fact that it was faked, since Davy was an updater. I'm aware that that doesn't make me look terribly trustworthy. I think davy's rationale in faking a seering on me in particular was because I did come in as a sub, which rarely happens if you're a wolf, so it was a pretty safe claim to make that I was a human.
Also, I disagree with you that it seemed innocuous. I suggested that everyone report seering results, and Davy did along with everyone else. It was pretty out-there.
Idk
Safety (kind of not really) on Daj for now.
See, I know Daj has been acting suspicious, but why would he insta Davy if they're teammates? One of you voted for Davy as an updater with him, and I'm trying to understand that rationale.
Quote from: dajwxp on July 09, 2016, 05:35:51 PMPlus, you know your identity; if you're a human then you know that this is one big misunderstanding, haha ^^;. No reason to bite off my own kind if they haven't played dirty tactics :)
Quote from: dajwxp on July 09, 2016, 06:42:40 PMI guess I did make one colossal fuq-up that might have skewed the game though, haha. Oh wellz.
yeah oh wellz. hooray? ^^;
i dont wanna die :(
I'm really leaning toward Daj right now. I feel like these comments are indicative of an inexperienced player who doesn't quite know how to disguise wolfiness. It's possible that davy knew he was going to be killed and told Daj to deliver the finishing blow to avoid suspicion.
Work is starting to get busy, so I think this is my last chance to vote before the end of the phase.
Daj.
Good luck guys.
And, I belive that's an insta.
Olimar?
Aww. I suck at this game :(
Twas fun though, thanks for the run guyzzz~
*dies*
TWG LXXXIX: Updatin'
1) Updater - accept/reject
2) Updater - accept/reject
3) Arranger - 2 subs
4) Arranger - 2 subs
5) Arranger - 2 subs
6) Arranger - 2 subs
7) Arranger - 2 subs
8) Arranger - 2 subs
Updaters win when all of the arrangers' submissions are gone. The updaters know each other. They have two abilities: 1) they can reject a submission (inverts the color of a submission in use) or 2) they can accept a submission (remove an arrangers submission when not in use). The updater does not need to specify which ability they are using, only the arranger they are targeting. This ability automatically targets submissions in use over idol ones. Each updater may use one of these abilities per night phase by pm-ing the host.
Arrangers win when they kill both updaters via lynch (lol). Arrangers do not know each other. They get two "submissions." These are abilities that can be used once per night, until they are gone. When used, the arranger gets to seer a random player. To use it, the arranger must pm the host. Once an arranger uses both of their submission, they are dead. Using the second submission also triggers death. At the end of every night phase, the total number of submissions will be revealed in the update post.
Each day phase the players will vote to lynch someone, deleting all of their submissions and removing them from the game. Arrangers who don't vote lose a submission. Each night phase the arrangers and updaters may choose to use one of their abilities. They may also choose not to use an ability.
Players:
1) davy
2) TheZeldaPianist275
3) Maelstrom
4) E. Gadd Industries
5) dajwxp
6) BrainyLucario
7) braixen1264
8) BlackDragonSlayer
Substitute player:
1) Bubbles
Day 3 has ended. dajwxp has been lynched. It's now Night 4. Night 4 ends July 15th at 9:00 PM CST (22.5 hours from this post)
Crap. Victory can now only be achieved through RNG.
TWG LXXXIX: Updatin'
1) Updater - accept/reject
2) Updater - accept/reject
3) Arranger - 2 subs
4) Arranger - 2 subs
5) Arranger - 2 subs
6) Arranger - 2 subs
7) Arranger - 2 subs
8) Arranger - 2 subs
Updaters win when all of the arrangers' submissions are gone. The updaters know each other. They have two abilities: 1) they can reject a submission (inverts the color of a submission in use) or 2) they can accept a submission (remove an arrangers submission when not in use). The updater does not need to specify which ability they are using, only the arranger they are targeting. This ability automatically targets submissions in use over idol ones. Each updater may use one of these abilities per night phase by pm-ing the host.
Arrangers win when they kill both updaters via lynch (lol). Arrangers do not know each other. They get two "submissions." These are abilities that can be used once per night, until they are gone. When used, the arranger gets to seer a random player. To use it, the arranger must pm the host. Once an arranger uses both of their submission, they are dead. Using the second submission also triggers death. At the end of every night phase, the total number of submissions will be revealed in the update post.
Each day phase the players will vote to lynch someone, deleting all of their submissions and removing them from the game. Arrangers who don't vote lose a submission. Each night phase the arrangers and updaters may choose to use one of their abilities. They may also choose not to use an ability.
Players:
1) davy
2) TheZeldaPianist275
3) Maelstrom
4) E. Gadd Industries
5) dajwxp
6) BrainyLucario
7) braixen1264
8) BlackDragonSlayer
Substitute player:
1) Bubbles
Night 4 has ended. TheZeldaPianist275 has been killed. The number of Updaters (wolves) now equals the number of Arrangers (humans). The Updaters have won! There was a mistake on my end with the Updaters' win conditions, so after consulting the great mashi, he suggested that this was the best course of action. Postgame coming soon!