Congratulations Wolves!!! You played very well!!!
The green human order in the list isn't randomized.
Happy Mask Salesman - MaestroUGC
Wolves:
Majora's Mask - Master Wolf Seer - BlackDragonSlayer
Skull Kid - Sniper Wolf - the_last_sheikah
Tael - Tribute Brutal Wolf - Liggy
Humans:
Link - Hero of Time - blueflower999
Tatl - Tribute - Bubbles7689
Kaepora Gaebora - Guardian - shadowkirby
Human - Jub3r7
Human - vermilionvermin
Human - Winter
Human - Hunter of Souls
Human - davy ---> spitllama
Human - The Boy Who Cried Wolf
Human - SocialFox/Yugi
Tingle - Brutal Human - TheZeldaPianist275
Masks:
Deku Mask - Night 1: Jub3r7, Night 2: the_last_sheikah, Night 3 & 4: blueflower999
Goron Mask - Night 1: blueflower999, Night 2: TBWCW,
Zora Mask - Night 1: Liggy, Night 2: blueflower999, Night 3: Yugi, Night 4: spitllama
Analysis about the game:
So there was quite some shenanigans going on during the game. For example, Jub3r7(human with the Deku Mask) claims Tatl Night 1 to unite the specials. Night 2 TBWCW(a human) vigi'd Bubbles(a special). Then BDS reveals himself as the Master Wolf Seer in order to get Maestro(HMS) lynched. Then the game ended TZP claiming Tingle(his true role) and people not believing him.
DUN DUN DUN DUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNN
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1. blueflower999
I think you did a very good job staying under the wolves' radar, until Maestro told everybody you were the Link. Better luck next time!
2. the_last_sheikah
I think you did a great job staying under radar, until the later phases. When you decided to snipe spitllama after him suggesting you to be seered, I think most eyes should have turned on you, instead of TZP. Good job anyways!
3. Jub3r7
Night 1 you decided to false-claim Tatl, in order to receive claims and avoid the possibility of the real Tatl being sniped, since you had the Deku Mask. In my opinion this was insanely risky, because the real Tatl could have easily counterclaimed you and things would not have looked great on you. But luckily things turned out and you united the human team, although TZP not claiming Tingle caused you to have Liggy in your alliance. Excellent job. Human MVP
4. vermilionvermin
You died Night 1, but you still managed to give a ton of useful information about the game! I was crazy impressed! You would have lynched Maestro/Sheikah Day 1, if I recall and that would have been a good decision. Too bad you had to die so early, since I'm certain you would have been major help to the human team. Awesome job.
5. TheZeldaPianistwhatsitsnumber
Why, why, why didn't you claim to Jub as soon as you saw Liggy claiming Tingle? Your unnecessary paranoia allowed Liggy to claim Tingle. I think you could have had great chances of winning after BDS being busted and sheikah carelessly sniping spitllama. But no. Sozzles.
ALSO FOR THE RECORD "THE MY SPIDER SENSES ARE TINGLELING" WAS DEFINITELY NOT LAME
6. Winter
I was really excited to see you play but then you died for dumb reasons. TBWCW made this odd "without reason" vote on you and then shadowkirby had to vote you. Typical Day 1 lynch, when people have no idea what to think about anyone. You tried to lynch Liggy. If TZP would have counterclaimed Tingle to Jub, there would have been a chance imo you might have had him lynched. (No one seemed to point out that wolf wouldn't provide a seering result, because that'd "almost confirm" someone human) Good job, at least you tried.
7. MaestroUGC
Oh Maestro, you had a good run. I designed HMS role to keep a low profile. You actually improved it by asking questions about the HMS. Unfortunately too much of your questions of the HMS made BDS notice and target you. You'd think "that should be the opposite since all the public questions would help the humans and wolves because they'd know more instead of HMS privately knowing stuff". But it's BDS. If I would have been in his pants(he still wont let me :<), I most definitely wouldn't have seered you. Then BDS stupidly reveals himself to be the Master Wolf, instead of pushing for a lynch against you without revealing himself. After you got the vigi mask and then it'd been easy to get the Zora Mask. You had a great chances of winning I think you did an excellent job and played possibly the best in the whole game, but you got bit in the ass by the bear traps of unluckyness. Sorry, man. Secretly inside I was rooting for you from the beginning. and HMS MVP
8. Liggy
You claimed Tingle to Jub, which was literally the best move the wolves did in the entire game. You claimed Tingle to Jub in the sense of that "nobody wants to kill a human and a special to confirm the identity of a wolf". Insanely good for you, TZP didn't do shit so you were in the alliance. Then you just like started eating the whole human team from the inside. When TZP finally claimed Tingle, everybody were sure he's lying. All this is enough reason to award you with the Wolf MVP
9. Hunter of Souls
Your first game, I think? I think you did quite well. Much, much better than I did when I started.
You came up with these complex plans that Jub thought was too much effort to pull through. You made some cool shiz happening on the thread too. Then you got wolfed. Good job!
10. Bubbles7689
I don't know how you did it, but you found out Jub was a human without counterclaiming or anything like that. I was crazy impressed. Then you got vigi'd by a human.
To be said about the purpose of the tribute power: Tribute is meant to prevent a lynching plus reviving a person at the cost of your own life.
11. davy/spitllama
Davy made a plan that got screwd over by the changes I made in the game. Then he gave up because the game was too boring(pfft, ikr. this game was off the hook).
Spitllama comez in and is like "yo broskis seer sheikah" and then he like takez a shot by a member of the gang "Wuffz4Lyfe" and like diez. 2bad. he did a good job
12. BlackDragonSlayer
Otherwise a good job, but why did you have to tell everybody Maestro was the HMS. You should have had Liggy tell the specials and Jub to push a lynch against Maestro instead of getting yourself killed.
13. TBWCW(you wouldn't believe he's green after what he did)
You decided to vigi Bubbles randomly to spice up the game. "oh man the humans were terrible"
14. shadowkirby
Definitely the most active person in the whole game. Oh boy, all of you should learn from shadowkirby. You tried to guard Blueflower the last night, but you forgot your power prevents it. Oh well.
15. Yugi
You said some clever stuff and you tried to encourage activity. I give you thumbs up.
About the host:
Carrots and peas.
Plot twist! Jub wasnt Tatl XD
And honestly
Quote from: Liggy on February 16, 2013, 10:49:03 AMThat is stupid and now I know why I haven't died yet. You kept me alive to try and fake claim my role so you could clear yourself. I'm on to your games.
Why didnt this make everyone lynch Liggy automatically -.-
I killed Tatl, woot.
TBWCW gets the LVP.
Seriously. I wanted to ban you from my games after what you did.
^-^
I always say never use a vig if you're not sure but quite frankly I didn't enjoy myself too much this game and decided to spice things up with a random kill.
Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on February 16, 2013, 11:46:59 AMI always say never use a vig if you're not sure but quite frankly I didn't enjoy myself too much this game and decided to spice things up with a random kill.
Piss off.
There should be a TWG rule that if you make that kind of stupid things and sabotage your team without a proper reason, you should be punished.
i was vigi'd by a human
and i was going to blame myself for dying early -___-
Quote from: FSM-Reapr on February 16, 2013, 11:49:59 AMPiss off.
There should be a TWG rule that if you make that kind of stupid things and sabotage your team without a proper reason, you should be punished.
No need to get crazy, it's only a game! Wolves would have won anyway since the humans played pretty awful.
I don't think we were that bad... I knew that BDS was a wolf as soon as he claimed to Seer Maestro. Even though that was the correct Seering. :P
And... TBWCW apperantly vigi'd Bubbles? ???
Quote from: blueflower999 on February 16, 2013, 12:00:07 PMI don't think we were that bad... I knew that BDS was a wolf as soon as he claimed to Seer Maestro. Even though that was the correct Seering. :P
There shouldn't have been any doubt that the seering was accurate: you know I wouldn't lie if I were a wolf or human, and I'm not that dumb to pull a stunt like that as the HMS. You people are more paranoid of me than I am of you.
Although it probably would've been better for Liggy to claim as a wolf and tell you the results of the seering (since you would be punished if you decided to lynch him ;)), I figured that, based on my performance as the Rogue in "Relax, I'm a Doctor," you'd be more inclined to lynch me either way, which would leave Sheikah on his own (although I trust him with the ability to do that, I didn't want to take any risks).
Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on February 16, 2013, 11:41:49 AMI killed Tatl, woot.
And I was the one who wanted to wolf you. :P I figured it wouldn't make people very suspicious... sorry... :P I had trouble deciding between you and TZP, but now, I suppose it was better... Sheikah wanted to lynch Shadowkirby, which also wouldn't have been a good idea later in the game, since he turned out being a special. ^-^
Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on February 16, 2013, 11:54:16 AMNo need to get crazy, it's only a game! Wolves would have won anyway since the humans played pretty awful.
If you hadn't lynched Maestro after me, I would agree. O_o
Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on February 16, 2013, 11:54:16 AMNo need to get crazy, it's only a game! Wolves would have won anyway since the humans played pretty awful.
That is not even close to a reason to sabotage your team like that. Also that's not the kind of team spirit I want to see.
Humans played well too (There were some exceptions...) although quite inactively, but I'll say more about it in the analysis.
At the end humans seemed more interested in lynching off suspicious activity rather than lynching off a very likely wolf (sheikah).
I guessed Sheikah was a wolf when it came to night 3 and he didn't die (all wolves from last game were being wolfed ;D)
Anyway, I stick by my choice of viging someone. I was so bored.
Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on February 16, 2013, 12:21:30 PMAt the end humans seemed more interested in lynching off suspicious activity rather than lynching off a very likely wolf (sheikah).
I guessed Sheikah was a wolf when it came to night 3 and she didn't die (all wolves from last game were being wolfed ;D)
Anyway, I stick by my choice of viging someone. I was so bored.
...Sheikah is a "he." :P
This was fun, I like being on a team of one.
Boy: "I'm bored. Oh, I know! How about I ruin the game for everyone else who is playing? Yeah, go me!"
in a nutshell
Quote from: MaestroUGC on February 16, 2013, 12:23:31 PMThis was fun, I like being on a team of one.
Yeah, it's really a rather grand experience.
I always seem to get suspicious of people I chat with, though...
Liggy did have the Zora Mask Night 1, but neither he nor I seered because we thought the phase was longer. :-X I'm not sure who we would've seered, though, because we
DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT. :P
Quote from: Bubbles7689 on February 16, 2013, 12:25:14 PMBoy: "I'm bored. Oh, I know! How about I ruin the game for everyone else who is playing? Yeah, go me!"
in a nutshell
Sorry! I actually thought you were a wolf.
Looks like the game went quite well. I'm looking forward to reading FSM's analysis. I thought Liggy looked very human until the last phase.
Re: Toby, actively subverting your team's attempts to win is grounds for a game ban in my opinion. That's long been the case on LLF, anyway. I didn't follow what actually happened in this game, though, so I can't comment on it specfically.
Quote from: Thiannon on February 16, 2013, 12:30:07 PMRe: Toby,
lol whos toby
I assume youre talking to boy XD
That's what they like to call me.
Basically I had a sort of eye on Bubbles for putting a vote on Yugi when I found him 0% suspicious. I decided to chance the vig.
Edit: I'll accept a game ban, it was dumb and uncalled for.
I don't know the circumstances surrounding the vigi, but I don't think it's a bad idea to vigi a suspicion, but with an alliance leader, you probably should have told him your suspicions and had him tell you who he thinks you should vigi. I was under the impression that TBWCW was vigi'd for supporting that awful Day 1 lynch and Bubbles was wolfed for being really human based on the false (apparently real) Tatl claim she made.
Depending on what TBWCW knew before the vigi and what his thought process was, a game ban might be in order. If he just made the vigi because he thought Bubbles was suspicious, I don't think that's worthy of a ban. Obviously, he should have gone to the alliance leader first, but we can't just ban people for bad human play. Now, if he vigi'd Bubbles because he thought she was a human, that's a different story and if that's the case he should receive a game ban. Based on what I'm reading now, he made the vigi because he thought she was suspicious, and doesn't deserve a game ban unless there's evidence to the contrary.
I thought Liggy played really well and he was one of the most human players in my eyes, though I might have lynched him over TZP for the last sentence of this post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5357.msg199015#msg199015), which rubbed me the wrong way. Following him would have been davy/spitllama for that plan he had on day 1, Bubbles for her Tatl claim, and TZP for this one post on day 1 where it seemed like he was trying to come up with a plan to help the humans.
Players I thought were wolfy were Yugi for this post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5357.msg196628#msg196628), which is eerily similar to the reaction I had when I wolfed the best player on LLF on Night one. That and he didn't seem as active this game as he did in previous ones.
I suspected Blueflower was the sniper wolf up until Jub said he had that mask which stopped the sniper.
TBWCW I thought was probably a wolf because of his support of the Winter lynch, which was based on a safety, a "please don't lynch me" vote, and his. When there wasn't a consensus on Day 1, I thought it was likely that the wolves were in the majority of the votes.
Maestro I thought was a wolf because the first two wolfings (which I assumed were me and Bubbles) seemed like they came from an experienced player who would have realized that taking back my Tingle claim doesn't mean I'm not Tingle, and for realizing that, and realizing that Bubbles seemed really human.
Bubbles, why were you confident that Jub was a human? If he were a wolf, which I think was more likely than him being a human, the humans would have been in deep trouble.
I actually wasnt confident in Jub being human until long after I was dead XD I was a little confused by what he was trying to do, because I had no idea what he wanted the real Tatl to do when he falseclaimed. After that, I didnt really send him many pms that werent slightly accusing of being not a human (not many that I can remember, anyway), but he continually kept me updated on everything that happened
Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on February 16, 2013, 11:54:16 AMhumans played pretty awful.
You vigi'd a
special, and are saying that the other humans are to blame for our loss.
That seems only mildly hypocritical. I could only go on when nobody else was on.
Quote from: Yugi on February 16, 2013, 01:04:36 PMYou vigi'd a special, and are saying that the other humans are to blame for our loss.
That seems only mildly hypocritical. I could only go on when nobody else was on.
Sorry.
The vigi generally isn't a power that you want to use every night phase. Heck, it's not always a bad thing if a Vigi doesn't use his or her power the entire game! It's only good if you're 99% certain that someone is a wolf.
WOOOOOO VICTORY!!!!
In all seriousness, this was an interesting game and I enjoyed it.
I tryed to stay quiet towards the beginning, but when BDS seered Maestro orange, I had to become more involved to push the lynch. Yeah, I sniped Spit when I saw he wanted me seered. I figured it would be easier to say I was framed than explain why I was red. I then wolfed Blue because if Maestro was telling the truth(and he was), he would likely have the zora mask, had to eliminate all evidence. After that it was just a matter of a wolf rush and that's that.
Good game everyone, except Boy, that was just dumb beyond belief.
Quote from: FSM-Reapr on February 16, 2013, 12:16:12 PMThere were some exceptions...
I guess I am an exception?
And again, sorry for my inactivity. I was on when everyone else was off.
I guess I should sneak into the school libary more often?
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on February 16, 2013, 12:27:32 PMYeah, it's really a rather grand experience.
I really fucked up my chance when I was a third-party character. ;_; I've been hoping to redeem myself ever since.
Does me accedently wolfing my partners and having to solo the game count as a solo team?
No, it makes you an incompetent wolf.
Also, BDS. Your paranoia is what got you killed. You really bungled your chance to get me lynched cleanly.
Quote from: MaestroUGC on February 16, 2013, 02:16:28 PMNo, it makes you an incompetent wolf.
But I won that game.
Welp, that's that.
First off: FSM, can we get a play by play of where the masks were every night?
I also have a couple things to say to the lot at the end.
SocialFox: I was pretty sure you were human, and I see why you were suspicious of me. Wish you had been more active toward the end when Liggy said those absurd things tho.
Liggy: You are now my official TWG arch-rival XD I don't like you.
Jub and Shadow: WHERE WERE YOU GUYS? ? ? ? Seriously, Liggy and I were the only two extremely suspicious ones, and Liggy just blew all cover at the end by saying those things! We could have won the game if you had actually played and at least narrowed it down to a KiTB between me and Liggy!
Sheikah: I think I'm beginning to understand how you play, buddy. -__- You played a good game. When you said that you wanted to believe me but couldn't, I was almost certain you were a wolf. But I was far more certain about Liggy, so you stayed undercover most of the time.
So during the last day phase, I knew the role (or at least what side they were on) of EVERY. SINGLE. PERSON. It was my strategy the entire time to let people think Liggy was Tingle, drop hints the entire way so it didn't look like it was a falseclaim, and then claim in the endgame to make people think twice, and perhaps trust me. Any suggestions on how I could have handled that better? :-[
One more thing: FSM, this was a great game, but I really wish you had been more on top of hosting.
Overall great game everyone!
Quote from: MaestroUGC on February 16, 2013, 02:16:28 PMNo, it makes you an incompetent wolf.
Also, BDS. Your paranoia is what got you killed. You really bungled your chance to get me lynched cleanly.
The only time I could've gotten you lynched without you saying anything was if you were offline, but even then, I doubt it would've been "clean" at all.
It wasn't my paranoia, but rather, paranoia ABOUT me (especially since I was the rogue in your game, something that wouldn't exactly make people less afraid of me :P). If I had mentioned that I had seered you earlier, the result would have been exactly the same, except for the time when it occurred.
Not really, people would've been ready to lynch me had you said something as soon as possible. It should've been a quick insta, regardless. If you hadn't said "I waited until people would believe me" more people would've believed you.
Yugi played really good this game!
Quote from: MaestroUGC on February 16, 2013, 03:28:43 PMNot really, people would've been ready to lynch me had you said something as soon as possible. It should've been a quick insta, regardless. If you hadn't said "I waited until people would believe me" more people would've believed you.
I highly doubt that. People would just use the excuse that I'm trying to attack you before you have a chance to defend yourself... :P
With the HMS, it's risky to try anything without proof (or else, as I said, they could easily turn the tables on you); I was waiting for something that would convince people that I was actually telling the truth with the seering (since, apparantly, they didn't believe me either way) so that I could avoid that situation, although it would've taken a miracle. :P
Interesting how when I said to seer sheikah, I got sniped.
Did NO ONE see that?
Also I don't thing this game should count towards my statistics since I was a fill-in and played for a grandiose 24 hrs real time.
Quote from: spitllama on February 16, 2013, 05:20:55 PMAlso I don't thing this game should count towards my statistics since I was a fill-in and played for a grandiose 24 hrs real time.
Speaking of that, I think the statistics (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5205.0) need to be updated. ::)
Quote from: spitllama on February 16, 2013, 05:20:55 PMInteresting how when I said to seer sheikah, I got sniped.
Did NO ONE see that?
I did Spit. Thought about it for a while, but it was such an obvious sniper choice that it was impossible to tell whether you actually needed to be offed or whether it was a lame attempt to frame Sheikah. Though by the end, that had contributed to my huge suspicion of Sheikah.
Quote from: spitllama on February 16, 2013, 05:20:55 PMInteresting how when I said to seer sheikah, I got sniped.
Did NO ONE see that?
Quote from: the_last_sheikah on February 16, 2013, 01:44:30 PMYeah, I sniped Spit when I saw he wanted me seered. I figured it would be easier to say I was framed than explain why I was red.
Yeah, the human play on the final day wasn't great (where was the analysis of Maestro's post? the snipe?) but that's pretty typical--usually by that point many of them are tired of the game, and often the strongest players are already dead. That's actually one of my least favourite attributes of TWG, as it generally makes for a less exciting read.
Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on February 16, 2013, 12:29:45 PMSorry! I actually thought you were a wolf.
Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on February 16, 2013, 11:46:59 AMquite frankly I didn't enjoy myself too much this game and decided to spice things up with a random kill.
>:(
Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on February 16, 2013, 03:30:31 PMYugi played really good this game!
Oi! You want me to remove this post, because I will! ;)
But yeh, it was random for Bubbles to be vigi'd since she wasn't on top of anyone's suspicions but I found her suspicious.
At the end of the game, I sort of gave up because I figured that anyone who seriously thought I was Tingle would've wondered why I wasn't wolfed at that point. Also, we would've won even if I was lynched. I would've killed TZP, who would've in turn killed shadow, and then if that's not game we would have one more wolfing.
I told you Liggy was a wolf.
I told you I was a human.
Post game suomalanen'd(=finnish'd).
I was fighting cancer and then I had to catch up in school. I never really had time to focus on this one thing.
There's your excuse for not being on time. It won't happen again.
Sorry!
Wait why am I the only one without a color?
Because you're special.