TWG XLVI: Have it Your Way Post Game
Role Reveal
Roles:
01. Waddle Bro - Invisible Seer
02. Socialfox - Invisible Semi Tracker
03. Bird - Human
04. Blueflower - Human
05. BlackDragonSlayer - Human
06. MaestroUGC - Human
07. Vermilionvermin - Wolf
08. Bubbles - Wolf
09. Liggy - Human
10. Shadowkirby - Wolf
11. TheZeldaPianist - Human
12. Spitllama - Invisible Guardian
13. Jub - Human
14. Mashi - Wolf
15. Dude - Human
16. K-Night - Human
Overall
This game was terrible. It was quite fun to host at the start but you guys didn't talk much after that. All the humans gave up when Bird and Liggy died and that was really disappointing. This was a fun game but you guys didn't do much. I'll admit that losing the seer from the beginning was horrible but how do you think Manhunts work? RIGHT EVERYONE THE SEMI TRACKER PART, LISTEN! You guys were like 'Wut 2 do with the semi tracker?!'. The Semi Tracker was put in place so you guys could see who someone wanted seer'd and guarded, it was a real shame that the seer died though. I think if this game was to run again I'd put in an invisible vig. In Liggy's game there was an invisible vig but apparently it was horrible because the vig kept viging the invisible roles. You guys obviously weren't suppose to talk about who you were going to track but most people didn't understand this so just went for Mashi. No one looked into the tracking results (You may have mentioned them but you didn't find them suspicious, and Liggy, " ??? " doesn't count ;P).
Humans
What was that? Bird died and you all just dropped dead, not much happened after Bird and Liggy where gone so that decreased your discussion but it had no reason to! A lot of you guys where suspicious of people and had good reason to be but you didn't push for any lynches so who did? The Wolves did! At the end Maestro pushed for a Verm lynch which I didn't expect but he wasn't the only one who was suspicious of him! If you all have reasons to be suspicious of someone then post them!
Wolves
You guys ran the game! You all worked together brilliantly and I loved your plan, let Verm do most of the work and we'll just lie around until something comes up. You all played well in the end, even if some were more active than others. You guys discussed a lot together and this helped the team well. I'm not sure why at the end you didn't rush on to Liggy to insta him (alliance with Mashi perhaps?) but heyo none of you died. The Mashi seering at the start really helped you guys a lot as you were basically guaranteed 1 wolf at the end as long as you got the smarties dead early. Well played guys!
Players
Waddle Bro – You were wolfed night 1, hard luck. You did want to seer Verm, which was good, and well guard yourself, but pity it didn't work out.
Socialfox- You did not do anything really much mentioning. You didn't get lynched so congratz.
Bird – You were very active when you were alive and this was good help for the humans, you also managed to sort out the votes well by making a poll for the first night, good job! A shame you got wolfed night 2, pesky wolves! I don't know why you voted Dude, if it was just a safety it was a little silly, it gave the wolves an easy lynch.
Blueflower- You had a clear understanding of the game and that was about it.
BlackDragonSlayer- Well, you were suspicious of Verm from the start so that was good, you didn't try get him lynched though, you just placed a vote on him which was really suspicious, you should be fighting to lynch him! At the beginning you didn't let Mashi's seer change your mind about him and that was good. When it game to suspicion lists you were really strange, anyhow..
Honourable Mention
MaestroUGC- You didn't do much, you just voted for Social most of the time. You didn't vote at night at all or pay attention much until the end when you pushed for a Verm lynch. You'd get an MVP if you voted during the night a few times and voted someone other than social you'd get an honourable mention or MVP but meh.
Vermilionvermin- You were really, really good! You were the captain of the wolves and each night you made sure there was communication between you. You done a few things suspicious that no one picked up on which was lucky. When Bird looked like he might get one of you lynched you wolfed him, this dropped activity down and the humans didn't have any discussion going so it was a good choice!
Overall MVP
Bubbles- You did good, you were the least suspicious of all the wolves which was really interesting! You kept low but not inactive. You had a clear understanding of the game.
Honourable Mention
Liggy- You played well but you were lynched too early by that pesky Verm! You argued well but just not good enough, you didn't have much suspicions for anyone to go on.
Shadowkirby- You ran the game.
TheZeldaPianist- Nice game you played! Surprised this is your first, have you played anywhere else? Very well done! You done a few suspicious things but you'll learn from them, this was a tough game so don't worry about the loss!
Spitllama- You didn't do much, and you didn't prove your innocence, which was a shame since you were the guardian.
Jub- Pretty inactive, not much to say.
Mashi- Was pretty disappointed with your activity this game but oh well! When you were seer'd there wasn't much else for you to do. You could have tried to lead some easy lynches because no one could go against you!
Dude – You didn't really do much, you were pretty inactive. Really not sure why you were lynched, not sure at all, if you paid a little more attention to what was going on at that point you could have saved yourself by voting someone else other than Jub (Shadowkirby), that would have brought it to a kitB and you may have got a wolf lynched!
K-Night- You were really quiet, you only really voted then left it at that. You were wolfed because they thought there was no chance you could be lynched so I suppose you looked human.
Night Voting Graph (https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/166519_456276544426245_2075368899_n.jpg)
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Nailed it.
Tell me wolves, why did you want to wolf me first instead of Bird? (still, a smart move)
JESUS CHRIST HUMANS, why in hell didn't you lynch Verm earlier? I mean, it was so obvious!!!
You guys trusted too much on Mashi being a human. -.-
Also, my performance was probs one of the best performance out all people ever died on Night 1. :P
Nope.
Also, beat you to the Post Game. ;)
Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on January 19, 2013, 02:24:49 PMNope.
Why Waddle had one of the best performance out all people ever died on Night 1:-I came up with a
very good defense to protect me from being lynched in the future, thanks to the host's mistake. I shared the information with TWC, SIMPLY because they all were playing so they could defend me if I would be in trouble. I made my PM to them seem like a rant against the host, but really it was a scheme to make them trust me.
-*some random shiz I regret ever letting come out of my mouth*
-I was behind a seering against a wolf.
And that post game I'm making is so long, I guess I could shorten it up a lot.
QuoteVerm was trying suspiciously hard to get Mashi seered.
Wolves don't know the Master.
crawls into nearest corner
Ohh wow, I somehow mixed up Mashi with Bird.
*facedesk*
Night Voting Graph is now at the bottom of the OP
Quote-I came up with a very good defense to protect me from being lynched in the future, thanks to the host's mistake. I shared the information with TWC, SIMPLY because they all were playing so they could defend me if I would be in trouble. I made my PM to them seem like a rant against the host, but really it was a scheme to make them trust me.
You broke rules? Wut? Explain?
I probably made a huge mistake not posting the log I had with verm. Oh well. There were a few things that I found that seemed to point to him being a wolf, but I never got a chance to post them!!! A lot of them ended up being wrong, but the biggest thing was probably this bit:
Quote(5:30:35 PM) Nighthawk: i just realized something which might change my mind about sf
(5:30:45 PM) Nighthawk: reread the first post
(5:30:55 PM) Nighthawk: all of the wolves are told they're the same thing
(5:30:57 PM) Nighthawk: :morton2:
Which came across as sort of artificial? Anyway, I still pushed for him to be seered, and wanted to push away from guarding Mashi, so I guess I don't have that many big regrets this game.
I think this game might have been balanced in favor of the humans initially, but the wolves got
incredibly fucking lucky. Mashi was the Master Wolf, and was seered green on night 1, and the seer was wolfed night 1 as well. The human team was pretty severely crippled form the get-go! It didn't surprise me they won after that had transpired, especially once Liggy and I were out of the picture and Mashi and verm were wolves.
At least my wolfing will finally stop Mashi from going on about how he never wolfs his friends in TWG.
Good game though.
Edit: Also, it was super dumb that phantoms were being awarded for not sending in Night Phase PMs. I can't imagine why that was happening, and it made a huge impact on the game for no real reason. People didn't send in PMs because they were inactive, but because they didn't really matter later in the game.
Quote from: Bird on January 19, 2013, 03:23:22 PMEdit: Also, it was super dumb that phantoms were being awarded for not sending in Night Phase PMs. I can't imagine why that was happening, and it made a huge impact on the game for no real reason. People didn't send in PMs because they were inactive, but because they didn't really matter later in the game.
Yes. This was stupid.
Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on January 19, 2013, 03:14:38 PMYou broke rules? Wut? Explain?
I didn't break anything. You made a mistake and I took an advantage over that.
The reason I did it was because if you don't come on at least once every 24 hours you shouldn't be playing, it was really disrespectful to not vote and I was pretty offended when I got 3/12 votes!!
It may have made an impact on the game but people were given notice.
Yeah, but unlike day phase votes, the lack of PMs didn't point to inactivity, it pointed to people realizing that sending a PM for only the tracker was stupid. There wasn't really a way to make the tracker that useful, unfortunately. Just my opinion though.
I think if I were going to redesign the game, I would probably do it along the following lines:
1. Wolf
2. Wolf
3. Wolf
4. Master Wolf (Knows who he is, knows who the millers are)
5. Human
6. Human
7. Human
8. Human
9. Human
10. Human
11. Human
12. Human
13. Miller
14. Miller
Universal Effects:
Nightly Seering which everyone votes for
Nightly Guarding which everyone votes for
Nightly Tracking which everyone votes for
Nightly Vigi which everyone votes for
Nightly Revive which players vote for on Night 3
And then to make things especially interesting, instead of a majority determining the power usages, all the votes will go into a hat and I would randomly draw one name. That way players have an incentive to go against the majority--just a single dissenting vote can cause the power to go a different direction. This way, the wolves have a bit more leverage due to more knowledge, and the humans won't get screwed over by a random seer wolfing.
Damn you and your big brain designed for TWG ;)
Well, what'd I say? If not Liggy, then Verm. And it wasn't Liggy.
Anyhow, I've noticed my participation is really starting to dwindle when I play in TWG games now :-\ I'm gonna take a break for a while, which shouldn't be a problem since there's so much participation now.
Awh, you just need to be a little more active and take risks!
I definitely made some mistakes this game, most notably Day 4. I think it would have been way less stressful if I'd just pushed the Jub lynch like I was planning. Jub would have been a relatively easy lynch because of his phantoms. With three, if he isn't a wolf, the wolves could have rushed him. I made things more difficult than they had to be.
On Day 1, I made a mistake with Bird. I should have stayed quiet about my knowledge that the wolves didn't know each other, though I think I recovered from this pretty well in a later log I posted in the thread. People probably should have questioned me more on why I voted for Dude because it seems like TBWCW doesn't understand and I doubt everyone else does. I'm not sure if I would have voted for Dude if I were a human.
On Day 2, I don't think I deviated from human behavior. There's the possibility that I might have wimped out on the Liggy lynch at the last second or something, but I don't know who I would have voted for besides him.
On Day 3, I just voted spitllama for kind of weak reasoning. Probably would have pushed a shadowkirby lynch if I were human.
I'm not really surprised I was suspected on the last day. What I am surprised about, though, is the rationale for why I was suspicious. Were I accusing me, I would have gone for pretty much everything except what people actually said. I still think the lynch on Liggy was the strongest lynch except for potentially the Maestro lynch at the end. If I were to rank the quality of the lynches by how suspicious the person was relative to what day it was, it'd go something like this:
Liggy: I still don't understand why people disagreed with this one.
Maestro: The only reason I wouldn't have lynched him as a human is because I would have been smarter as a human and lynched Jub because of his phantoms. Maestro was still really suspicious though.
Dude: I think it was really odd that Liggy didn't try to get himself out of the KiTB by voting for Dude, and I think that was more than enough reason for me to vote for him at that point.
Spitllama: I think I only voted for him because someone else did and if we lynched a human that day the game was pretty much over.
Fun Fact: I was the only special to not die.
Social, is this the first game you've survived till end?
Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on January 19, 2013, 06:16:14 PMSocial, is this the first game you've survived till end?
Third.
Uprising madness and Gotta lynch them all were my first and second.
:D I'm honored.... yeah, this is my first game period.
I feel really dumb that we didn't even think to look into the Mashi seering more. >_< Really should have noticed that. And we definitely should have pushed for a Verm lynch earlier, BDS.
Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on January 19, 2013, 02:01:47 PM05. BlackDragonSlayer - [/font]Human
*gasp* You didn't use Random.org. :P
Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on January 19, 2013, 02:01:47 PMRIGHT EVERYONE THE SEMI TRACKER PART, LISTEN! You guys were like 'Wut 2 do with the semi tracker?!'. The Semi Tracker was put in place so you guys could see who someone wanted seer'd and guarded, it was a real shame that the seer died though. I think if this game was to run again I'd put in an invisible vig. In Liggy's game there was an invisible vig but [/font][/size]apparently it was horrible because the vig kept viging the invisible roles. You guys obviously weren't suppose to talk about who you were going to track but most people didn't understand this so just went for Mashi. No one looked into the tracking results (You may have mentioned them but you didn't find them suspicious, and Liggy, " ??? " doesn't count ;P).
I was the one who suggested voting for a random person to be tracked.
Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on January 19, 2013, 02:01:47 PMBlackDragonSlayer- Well, you were suspicious of Verm from the start so that was good, you didn't try get him lynched though, you just placed a vote on him which was really suspicious, you should be fighting to lynch him! At the beginning you didn't let Mashi's seer change your mind about him and that was good. When it game to suspicion lists you were really strange, anyhow..
Honourable Mention
Aside from the fact that I voted for him nearly every day, and tried to get others to vote for him, which apparantly didn't work until it was too late, I didn't try to get him lynched. :P
Strange about suspicion lists...? :P
Also, Bubbles made herself a bit more suspicious when she objected to me sending the list to two people, in an attempt to bait a wolf. She and Verm were the only two actual wolves on my semi-suspicion list (of Vermilionvermin, Bubbles, Spitllama, and SocialFox).
Quote from: Waddle Bro on January 19, 2013, 02:24:06 PMJESUS CHRIST HUMANS, why in hell didn't you lynch Verm earlier? I mean, it was so obvious!!!
Ah hahahah ho... Didn't you hear me tell Maestro about that... :P "You only noticed that now!?"
@vermilionvermin
Liggy didn't seem enough like a wolf, when you take into account my suspicion of you. But Liggy
was acting suspicious; however, the reasons behind that may be just from my perspective, because I don't know his general playing style well enough.
Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on January 19, 2013, 07:59:02 PM:D I'm honored.... yeah, this is my first game period.
I feel really dumb that we didn't even think to look into the Mashi seering more. >_< Really should have noticed that. And we definitely should have pushed for a Verm lynch earlier, BDS.
If we had lynched Verm, that may have given us more reason to look into seerings more carefully.
I made myself more suspicious? @_@ You still dont understand do you? I was attempting to prevent you from having a bigger chance of sending your list to a wolf. Since I knew Mashi would get it anyway, I decided it was safe to argue my point that it would be too risky
Quote from: Bubbles7689 on January 19, 2013, 10:06:36 PMI made myself more suspicious? @_@ You still dont understand do you? I was attempting to prevent you from having a bigger chance of sending your list to a wolf. Since I knew Mashi would get it anyway, I decided it was safe to argue my point that it would be too risky
But in the end, I was right, although very indirectly (and wouldn't give myself credit for it, because it was merely a theory meant to prove a point, and not an actual accusation): Mashi was a wolf, so that would guarantee a 100% chance that a wolf would get it, rather than a 50% (or less) chance that two wolves would get it.
The way you went about it made it seem like you were trying to gather data about who would be the best wolfing choice (I think I pointed that out?); although I never got a chance to send my list in (finals...), it most likely could have given me (or spitllama, if I had been wolfed) more information.
But thats my point. I already knew a wolf would get the pm, so I acted human to 'help' you not accidentally send it to a wolf.
And I dont see how at all I seemed to be trying to get information?
Quote from: Bubbles7689 on January 19, 2013, 10:14:40 PMBut thats my point. I already knew a wolf would get the pm, so I acted human to 'help' you not accidentally send it to a wolf.
And I dont see how at all I seemed to be trying to get information?
But I was one step ahead of you, then. :P
I knew that trusting any one player wasn't a smart idea: my point was that, if I sent it in to two people, the chance that they were BOTH wolves wasn't likely.
The concern didn't seem natural...
Oh my glob. It doesnt matter if theyre BOTH wolves. Wolves knew each other, so hitting one would basically hit them all.
Think of it like a game of Minesweeper, if you hit one bomb you explode and game over. If you choose one square (ignoring the numbered blocks that give you hints) you'll have less of a chance of hitting a bomb than if you pick 2 squares
And you werent a step ahead of me because you had no reason to believe Mashi a wolf :P
I was completely wrong!
:)
Oh.
Quote from: Bubbles7689 on January 19, 2013, 10:22:30 PMOh my glob. It doesnt matter if theyre BOTH wolves. Wolves knew each other, so hitting one would basically hit them all.
Think of it like a game of Minesweeper, if you hit one bomb you explode and game over. If you choose one square (ignoring the numbered blocks that give you hints) you'll have less of a chance of hitting a bomb than if you pick 2 squares
And you werent a step ahead of me because you had no reason to believe Mashi a wolf :P
You're not getting what I'm trying to say: as long as one of them wasn't a wolf, it wouldn't matter. If 1/1 is a wolf, that's 100%; if 1/2 are wolves, at least you have an "honest person" to help detect any fishy-stuff. :P
It's not like Minesweeper; I'd more compare it to crossing a bridge with loose stones (or something like The Last Crusade). If you step on one stone that's safe, and one that's not, at least you can keep your balance.
If I had sent the list earlier, and gone through with what I had said, my point would be carried out further, from an "unknowing-perspective," either spitllama or Mashi could have been a wolf, but not likely both (especially because spitllama seered green, after the fact).
Fishy stuff meaning? I doubt a wolfing of the least sudpicious player would seem fishy, since if theyre not suspicious to the humans theyre better off dead
And what bridge has stones :P
Quote from: Bubbles7689 on January 19, 2013, 10:32:45 PMFishy stuff meaning? I doubt a wolfing of the least sudpicious player would seem fishy, since if theyre not suspicious to the humans theyre better off dead
And what bridge has stones :P
Nevermind...
Bubbles is still a wolf! =OAnd:
http://www.dhr.virginia.gov/registers/Counties/Augusta/007-0041_Valley_Railroad_Stone_Bridge_VLR_4th_edition.jpg (http://www.dhr.virginia.gov/registers/Counties/Augusta/007-0041_Valley_Railroad_Stone_Bridge_VLR_4th_edition.jpg)
http://www.photo-dictionary.com/photofiles/list/880/1315stone_bridge.jpg (http://www.photo-dictionary.com/photofiles/list/880/1315stone_bridge.jpg)
http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs19/f/2007/227/b/c/Stone_bridge_over_small_pond_4_by_Hermit_stock.jpg (http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs19/f/2007/227/b/c/Stone_bridge_over_small_pond_4_by_Hermit_stock.jpg)
I don't see how a stone in the middle of one of those bridges could get loose though
Im sorry. Im tired and cranky.
BDS, this is what I mean when you were suspicious when it came to suspicion lists. Everyone was sending there suspicion lists to Mashi, yes. Mashi was green so there was nothing to make you think he wasn't human, yet you wanted to send your list to someone else? Its best just to send them to one person.
Also noone sent any suspicion lists to anyone, apart from the wolves (yes the wolves were better humans than any of you were!)
The phase endings were bad for me, it was during that crucial time where I just get out of class and have to turn around and go to work. I ended up missing most night phases entirely.
The rampant inactivity should've also been dealt with after day 1, as a host you should be able to see these incoming trends. You gave people a 4 phantom-pass (what?) before kicking them, but your incentive for activity came during dull phases (rarely does anything happen during the night pahses, ever) which ignored the bigger problem (people not voting during the day).
You got a phantom for not voting during day...?
Anyhow hope I was a decent enough host in the end! With games like these which require everyone being active it can be hard!
I voted everyday, so what?
Don't blame the Host for the fault of the Players. The Host can only do so much to inspire activity.
Thanks, was just trying to promote activity.
Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on January 20, 2013, 05:46:31 AMBDS, this is what I mean when you were suspicious when it came to suspicion lists. Everyone was sending there suspicion lists to Mashi, yes. Mashi was green so there was nothing to make you think he wasn't human, yet you wanted to send your list to someone else? Its best just to send them to one person.
Well, there were two main reasons I wanted to send it to two people:
1: If one person was a wolf, and one was not, there would still be one human who had my suspicion list, meaning that, no matter what the wolves might have done, they could not try to use it against me (or, rather, manipulate it).
2: I thought spitllama was a wolf, and if one was a wolf, and the other wasn't, the non-wolf might be able to help me against the wolf. The chances that they were both wolves was small enough that it would be worth taking a risk.
At the time, I wasn't actually suspicious of Mashi, but placing your trust in only one person (and unable to be completely confirmed) is not a smart idea to do, unless it's your plan to do that.
Though, the plan I did have was interrupted by finals and the end of the phase.
Quote from: Mashi on January 20, 2013, 08:45:51 AMDon't blame the Host for the fault of the Players. The Host can only do so much to inspire activity.
Blame the wolves!!!!!
no lets blame the birds
I was lazy this game. Sorry, everyone. I'll try to do better...
Quote from: Mashi on January 20, 2013, 12:05:34 PMno lets blame the birds
"What is Touhou? That's like asking 'What are birds.' WE JUST DON'T KNOW."
Quote from: SlowPokemon on January 20, 2013, 12:25:43 PM"What is Touhou? That's like asking 'What are birds.' WE JUST DON'T KNOW."
"dude, who's your favorite diaperhead?" "I like komachi cuz she got nice boobies."
Hands come off... Cats go on...
I was hoping to play this game, but judging from the comments, I didn't miss much. Glad you got a chance to host, though, Toby.
Birdy-Sauce, we need to have a Proper Adult Discussion about Game Balance Volatility or something. Also you should hoast mroe.
Thanks Thiannon!