TWG XLVI: Have it Your Way Sign-Ups01. Wolf
02. Wolf
03. Wolf
04. Wolf
05. Invisible Guardian
06. Invisible Seer
07. Invisible Semi Tracker
08. Human
09. Human
10. Human
11. Human
12. Human
13. Human
14. Human
15. Human
16. Human
The Invisible guardian is told they are a Human.
The Invisible seer is told they are a Human.
The Invisible Semi tracker is told they are a Human.
The Human is told they are a Human.
The Human is told they are a Human.
The Wolf is told they are a Wolf.
The Wolf is told they are a Wolf.
An Invisible Guardian is a role in which each night
EVERY player will vote for someone to be guarded, whoever has the most votes will be guarded that night. This keeps on going until the invisible guardian is killed.
An Invisible Seer is a role in which each night
EVERY player will vote for someone to be seer'd, whoever has the most votes will be seer'd that night. This keeps on going until the invisible seer is killed.
An Invisible Semi Tracker is a role in which each night
EVERY player will vote for someone that they would like to know who they voted for to be seer'd , guarded and tracked. This keeps on going until the Invisible Semi Tracker is killed.
Wolfs know each other.
Cardflips will occur.
The username of the player that was guarded during the night phase will be posted in the Night Post.
The username of the player that was seer'd during the night phase will be posted in the Night Post.
The username of the player that was tracked during the night phase will be posted in the Night Post.
The order of action is, Voting > Seer/Guard/Track > Killing
Please send me any pm's and logs you have with someone. Human Pm QuoteYou're a Human.
Wolf Pm QuoteYou're a Wolf.
The Wolves are....
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01.
Waddle Bro02. Socialfox [Phantom x1]
03.
Bird 04.
Blueflower05. BlackDragonSlayer [Phantom x1]
06. MaestroUGC [Phantom x1]
07. Vermilionvermin
08. Bubbles
09.
Liggy10. Shadowkirby [Phantom x1]
11. TheZeldaPianist
12.
Spitllama13. Jub [Phantom x3]
14. Mashi [Phantom x1]
15.
Dude16.
K-NightFor players' reference, here is a similar game (http://llforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=3187#p145276) that was run about a year ago. It's not the exact same roles but shares some of the mechanics. Liggy did a great job with it!
Chat Link (http://client01.chat.mibbit.com/?server=irc.NFnet.org&channel=%23TWGNSM)
It is now Day 4, Day 4 ends Saturday 9pm (GMT+0). Good Luck!
Make sure you add the colors ;)
Guys I suggest we seer Verm or Bird because they're the best players here.
Don't forget Mashi.
Wow I didnt realize how many people were playing this one :D This should be fun
All Pm's are out!
It is now Night 1, Night 1 ends Tuesday 9pm (GMT+0).
Please send in all you're votes and actions please.
Good Luck!
I suggest Seering Mashi, because I've played TWG with him for several years and still have trouble reading him. Verm and Bird would also be good choices because it's always nice to know what team the good players are on. Heck, I'd even be a good option because most of you have little to go off of for me.
Requesting that the night be shortened to Monday, since two-day night phases make me want to kill myself.
If you don't come online in a 30-hour window, you shouldn't be playing!
Also I would be in favor of a verm seering.
Is 24 hours long enough?
It's 30 hours!
And I think so. It's up to you though.
24 hours is more than enough. I dont really see the point of extended night phases
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Can't talk just now guys! Haha.
Here is my suggestion.
Everybody vote in this poll. (http://poll.pollcode.com/paoowf)
And then at like 3:00 AM tonight, we'll say the poll closes and all vote for the winner to be seered. We'll discard the poll if the total voters exceeds the number of players, so don't try and manipulate this, wolves. I figure open discussion is stupid at this point anyway.
What do you think?
Oh. I also forgot to mention.
We should definitely guard the person we're seering. Since if we agree on seering a green player, the wolves will be like "oh shit, we should kill them before they have a confirmed human."
And confirmed humans are cool.
So I still have not received any contacts request or found the channel to discuss TWG. Do you guys generally not use IM?
Liggy, links in the op.
We don't that much, I'll be in later.
Quote from: Bird on January 06, 2013, 01:31:23 PMHere is my suggestion.
Everybody vote in this poll. (http://poll.pollcode.com/paoowf)
And then at like 3:00 AM tonight, we'll say the poll closes and all vote for the winner to be seered. We'll discard the poll if the total voters exceeds the number of players, so don't try and manipulate this, wolves. I figure open discussion is stupid at this point anyway.
What do you think?
In that poll, I voted for myself, 'cause we might as well get this out of the way before another "late game reveal." :P
Also, how do we vote for the seering/guarding/tracking? Is it by PM, or do we vote here, in the topic?
Quote from: Bird on January 06, 2013, 01:31:23 PMAnd then at like 3:00 AM tonight, we'll say the poll closes and all vote for the winner to be seered.
But I cant be here at 3 am, which is really 4 for me :( Its a school night and I really need to get used to waking up early again
And BDS I think by pm
Pm. I won't accept the poll as a real voting although you can still go with it.
Quote from: Bubbles7689 on January 06, 2013, 01:46:03 PMBut I cant be here at 3 am, which is really 4 for me :( Its a school night and I really need to get used to waking up early again
And BDS I think by pm
That was just an arbitrary time I decided to end the poll. The point is, a winner needs to be decided early in order to give the players enough time to vote for that person to be seered/guarded.
So as long as you're online at any point between 3AM and 10PM on Tuesday (or hopefully Monday) you'll be fine.
You'll need to vote for someone to be tracked too.
Quote from: Bird on January 06, 2013, 01:34:59 PMOh. I also forgot to mention.
We should definitely guard the person we're seering. Since if we agree on seering a green player, the wolves will be like "oh shit, we should kill them before they have a confirmed human."
And confirmed humans are cool.
But it wouldn't be a confirmed human. We have a Master Wolf.
Quote from: blueflower999 on January 06, 2013, 02:20:49 PMBut it wouldn't be a confirmed human. We have a Master Wolf.
Observe the way they behave; that can give you some more information...
Quote from: Bird on January 06, 2013, 01:59:28 PMThat was just an arbitrary time I decided to end the poll. The point is, a winner needs to be decided early in order to give the players enough time to vote for that person to be seered/guarded.
So as long as you're online at any point between 3AM and 10PM on Tuesday (or hopefully Monday) you'll be fine.
10 PM GMT = 5 PM Eastern Time = 4 PM Central Time = 3 PM Mountain Time = 2 PM California Time
You really don't have that much time, and honestly two day nights are probably good for this game to get one day to figure out who to vote for, and another to get everyone to actually vote.
Oh woops, I thought it was Eastern.
Yeah, whatever's fine then.
^agreed.
Also there's a massive chat party tonight starting an hour ago, gogogo!
...since when does the host start chat parties? :P
My first game in like, the last three. I am excite.
Quote from: blueflower999 on January 06, 2013, 02:34:16 PM...since when does the host start chat parties? :P
Since NOW. There's nothing wrong with him encouraging activity.
Hosts have never been cool enough to start chat parties!
Quote from: spitllama on January 06, 2013, 02:35:07 PMMy first game in like, the last three. I am excite.
You got nothin. This is my first game, PERIOD.
WHAT IS THE WEREWOLF GAME, IT IS A MISIRABLE PILE OF LIES AND SECRETS, BUT ENOUGH TALK, HAVE AT YOU
*night one post*
Oh, and we should semitrack the person we seer as well, so if they vote to guard a person we didn't want them to guard, and if they're seered red. We know that its a wolf.
Also if I get wolfed night one I will be the new verm.
EVERYBODY MUST VOTE IN THIS POLL (http://poll.pollcode.com/dl6es3)
I think host will win, I found out the wolves.
Hey guys I'm making a post.
Quote from: shadowkirby on January 06, 2013, 03:13:08 PMHey guys I'm making a post.
Congratulations. Want a sticker?
Lol, a kid at my school says that. I forced him to actually give me a sticker.
And I voted in the poll.
I disagree with the poll. If we're guarding the person we're seering, then that person will be alive regardless of whether or not we discuss it publicly. I would be fine with a Liggy, bird, or mashi seering. Liggy b/c most people can't analyze him well, mashi and bird b/c they are always good.
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 06, 2013, 07:16:44 PMI disagree with the poll. If we're guarding the person we're seering, then that person will be alive regardless of whether or not we discuss it publicly. I would be fine with a Liggy, bird, or mashi seering. Liggy b/c most people can't analyze him well, mashi and bird b/c they are always good.
If we don't guard the person, then the wolves might get some ideas (meaning a useless seering)... But the same thing if we do...
I made a mistake. The poll is cool, but claim your vote. Mine was for bird.
wtf no that will ruin my wolf plan
nobody claim your votes
i definitely didn't vote for verm
Quote from: Bird on January 06, 2013, 07:39:52 PMwtf no that will ruin my wolf plan
nobody claim your votes
i definitely didn't vote for verm
I won't vote just yet... it's too soon to see.
Claimed votes:
Bird - vermilionvermin
BlackDragonSlayer - BlackDragonSlayer
Waddle Bro - vermilionvermin
vermilionvermin - Bird
I was being sarcastic in my last post, since it's actually a good idea to claim your vote. To prevent the wolves from ruining the poll, and to make players accountable for their choices. Of course, this basically renders the poll obsolete anyway, so I suppose you should just mention in the thread who you'd like to seer tonight!
I voted for bird. Theres alot of unclaimed votes, just so you know
Wait we were supposed to claim our votes right? Just making sure XD Im a little confused
I voted for Maestro, then changed it to Mashi when I tried to look at the results.
Bird - vermilionvermin
BlackDragonSlayer - BlackDragonSlayer
Waddle Bro - vermilionvermin
vermilionvermin - Bird
SocialFox - MaestroUGC
Bubbles6798 - Bird
Keep 'em coming.
I voted for Mashi
Ok guys what poll are we voting in
Ignore the polls.
Just post the name of the person you want seered tonight.
Mashi.
SocialFox, why did you want Maestro initially, but Mashi now?
Because voting Maestro would make me seem like I'm trying to seer a Master Wolf Partner, and gain suspicion.
Gentlemen.
Oh. Ok. (Who should I vote for??)
Quote from: SocialFox on January 06, 2013, 09:28:20 PMBecause voting Maestro would make me seem like I'm trying to seer a Master Wolf Partner, and gain suspicion.
So you're a wolf then?
oooh. I'll vote SocialFox!
Quote from: Bird on January 06, 2013, 09:34:28 PMSo you're a wolf then?
No. I just don't want suspicion.
That's just so weird!
Why would people think you were a wolf for wanting Maestro seered?
I'm here now.
So we're voting for who we want seered? I vote Bird, since he's taking charge here.
Bird - vermilionvermin
BlackDragonSlayer - BlackDragonSlayer
Waddle Bro - vermilionvermin
vermilionvermin - Bird
SocialFox - Mashi
Bubbles6798 - Bird
k-NiGhT - Mashi
shadowkirby - SocialFox
MaestroUGC - Bird
Bird - 3
verm - 2
Mashi - 2
BDS - 1
SocialFox - 1
Quote from: Bird on January 06, 2013, 09:42:32 PMThat's just so weird!
Why would people think you were a wolf for wanting Maestro seered?
Because if I voted randomly for an out of the way person, It might make people think I want the Master Wolf seered.
Quote from: SocialFox on January 06, 2013, 09:29:50 PMQuote from: Is Spy on January 06, 2013, 09:28:55 PMGentlemen.
No.
NO.
When I get back on the desktop computer (I'm using a netbook now ._.), I'll send in my vote(s) for seering/guarding/tracking.
I voted for vermilionvermin because even though I'm a pretty close TWGer with him, I still struggle to read him (which is untrue when compared to my other close friends, such as Liggy and Jub3r7).
I think we should all voice our votes in the thread and then vote on consensus, however, to avoid any shenanigans between Players' votes and the Wolves' as well.
Just to be clear I changed phase to Tuesday, at least for the first phase so noone's too confused.
Why would you guys prefer? Phase ending tonight GMT+0? Tomorrow at 5pm GMT+0 or Tomorrow 9pm GMT+0
Quote from: Mashi on January 06, 2013, 11:24:40 PMI voted for vermilionvermin because even though I'm a pretty close TWGer with him, I still struggle to read him (which is untrue when compared to my other close friends, such as Liggy and Jub3r7).
I think we should all voice our votes in the thread and then vote on consensus, however, to avoid any shenanigans between Players' votes and the Wolves' as well.
Before I vote:
Seer: BlackDragonSlayer or Bird
Guard: Bird
Track: Liggy
I vote to Seer Mashi just because he's so hard to read sometimes. Do we PM our Seering votes to TBWCW?
I voted for le Bird
You pm your votes, if you don't they won't be counted.
Also just to be clear with everyone..
Night 1 ends Tuesday 9pm GMT+0.
Only got 3 and a third PM's so far, you guys have 24 hours and 8 mins, go go go.
Calm yourself. 24 hrs is a long freakin' time.
That's the joke.
DO NOT SEND YOUR PMS UNTIL WE HAVE A CONSENSUS.
That's just begging for the wolves to manipulate the results.
Bird - vermilionvermin
BlackDragonSlayer - BlackDragonSlayer
Waddle Bro - vermilionvermin
vermilionvermin - Bird
SocialFox - Mashi
Bubbles6798 - Bird
k-NiGhT - Mashi
shadowkirby - SocialFox
MaestroUGC - Bird
Mashi - vermilionvermin
blueflower999 - Mashi
spitllama - Bird
Bird - 4
Mashi - 3
vemilionvermin - 3
SocialFox - 1
BlackDragonSlayer - 1
Players who haven't publicly voted: Dude, Jub3r7, TheZeldaPianist, Liggy. I'll PM them.
It's been one day and there are already 6 pages? D:
Let me do some reading before I vote.
These newer TWGs are really racking up the pages in the first couple phases. I remember when almost nobody would post night one!
Quote from: blueflower999 on January 07, 2013, 01:30:55 PMThese newer TWGs are really racking up the pages in the first couple phases. I remember when almost nobody would post night one!
Newfangled games... :P
Well a game like this require's discussion during the night!
I voted Mashi in the poll thing.
I'll be voting to seer/guard Mashi!!!!
In the poll (which is apparently obsolete now) I voted myself before I actually knew what I wanted to do.
Mashi should be severed, and is who I voted for in the poll. Already explained why.
Quote from: Liggy on January 07, 2013, 01:49:18 PMMashi should be severed, and is who I voted for in the poll. Already explained why.
S... s... severed!! :o
I suppose Mashi should be seered, if that would help everybody reach a better conclusion. If Mashi's the Master Wolf, though, it might make people more confused.
That autocorrect.
Already sent my pm in.... I voted for myself to be guarded, verm to be seer'd, and Waddle to be semitracked.
Bird - vermilionvermin
BlackDragonSlayer - BlackDragonSlayer
Waddle Bro - vermilionvermin
vermilionvermin - Bird
SocialFox - Mashi
Bubbles6798 - Bird
k-NiGhT - Mashi
shadowkirby - SocialFox
MaestroUGC - Bird
Mashi - vermilionvermin
blueflower999 - Mashi
spitllama - Bird
Jub3r7 - Mashi
Dude - Mashi
Liggy - Mashi
Zeldapianist - verm
Mashi - 6
Bird - 4
vemilionvermin - 4
SocialFox - 1
BlackDragonSlayer - 1
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Alright, Mashi is our pick for who should be seered tonight. I personally think that we should also guard him. I don't know what to do about tracking. But I'll be sending my PM to use all three powers on Mashi later today, unless anybody comes up with a good reason for me not to.
Seering and guarding mashi, but I'm tracking Jub3r7 just in case he tries to do anything sneaky.
Quote from: Bird on January 07, 2013, 02:48:09 PMBird - vermilionvermin
BlackDragonSlayer - BlackDragonSlayer
Waddle Bro - vermilionvermin
vermilionvermin - Bird
SocialFox - Mashi
Bubbles6798 - Bird
k-NiGhT - Mashi
shadowkirby - SocialFox
MaestroUGC - Bird
Mashi - vermilionvermin
blueflower999 - Mashi
spitllama - Bird
Jub3r7 - Mashi
Dude - Mashi
Liggy - Mashi
Zeldapianist - verm
Mashi - 6
Bird - 4
vemilionvermin - 4
SocialFox - 1
BlackDragonSlayer - 1
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Alright, Mashi is our pick for who should be seered tonight. I personally think that we should also guard him. I don't know what to do about tracking. But I'll be sending my PM to use all three powers on Mashi later today, unless anybody comes up with a good reason for me not to.
Ok, so the vote I'll submit, given what seems to be the general consensus:
Seer: Mashi
Guard: Mashi
Track: Liggy
I voted
Seer: Mashi
Guard: Forgot
Semitrack: Mashi.
And Why are you semitracking different people to who you are seering, Semitracking can tell the difference of wether that person is aman or a mouse Miller and a normal wolf.
The tracking power is pretty useless because if someone is being tracked, they'll definitely vote with the consensus.
I'm in the chat, if anyone wants to talk.
I suggest we seer all three, Mashi, Bird and Verm. There's a possibility that the 4 wolves all ganged up on Mashi/Bird and voted for them to avoid for example, Verm getting seered.
This doesn't apply if we have a suspicion.
Quote from: Waddle Bro on January 07, 2013, 10:17:00 PMThis doesn't apply if we have a suspicion.
Well its only night one so far.
TWG XLVI: Have it Your Way
01. Waddle Bro
02. Socialfox
03. Bird
04. Blueflower
05. BlackDragonSlayer
06. MaestroUGC
07. Verthousandvermin
08. Bubbles
09. Liggy
10. Shadowkirby
11. TheZeldaPianist
12. Spitllama
13. Jub
14. Mashi
15. Dude
16. K-Night
_________________________________________________________
Last Night Waddle Bro was killed!
Players voted for:
Mashi to be seer'd.
Mashi to be guarded.
Mashi to be tracked.
Mashi is green!
Last night Mashi voted for:
Mashi to be seer'd.
Mashi to be guarded.
Mashi to be tracked.
01. Waddle Bro
02. Socialfox
03. Bird
04. Blueflower
05. BlackDragonSlayer
06. MaestroUGC
07. Verthousandvermin
08. Bubbles
09. Liggy
10. Shadowkirby
11. TheZeldaPianist
12. Spitllama
13. Jub
14. Mashi
15. Dude
16. K-Night
Night 1 has ended, it is now Day 1. Day 1 ends Thursday 9pm GMT+0. Good Luck!
Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on January 08, 2013, 01:05:11 PMLast Night Waddle Bro was killed!
:'(
Is it because he's the first on the player list...? Or is there another motive?
D:
burn in hell wolves
SocialFox for being super weird last phase.
^I wouldn't be too quick with that, Bird. Social could easily have been framed by the wolf choosing to wolf Waddle Bro. :P
Okay just to be clear with everyone, order of action is, Voting>Seer/Track/Guard>Killing.
And Social's just always weird as a human ::)
Quote from: blueflower999 on January 08, 2013, 01:18:35 PM^I wouldn't be too quick with that, Bird. Social could easily have been framed by the wolf choosing to wolf Waddle Bro. :P
Yeah, I disagree Bird. It wasn't that weird. Right now I don't have any solid suspicions, but I vote
Bird, because that seems like jumping the gun a little.
Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on January 08, 2013, 02:00:15 PMYeah, I disagree Bird. It wasn't that weird. Right now I don't have any solid suspicions, but I vote Bird, because that seems like jumping the gun a little.
And you seem to be too. :P
Let Bird explain... then we can vote...
shit shit shit
am i allowed to delele this because I posted it in the wrong thread?
Im such a dumbass
lol, no. Leave it here XD
I didnt even read this yet XD I opened up two tabs and apparently typed in this one instead of the Pokemon one
Please?
XD I was about to say....
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on January 08, 2013, 02:02:58 PMAnd you seem to be too. :P
Let Bird explain... then we can vote...
That's true. Sorry. I don't have very many suspicions right now though, and we've got to vote somebody.
Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on January 08, 2013, 02:21:10 PMThat's true. Sorry. I don't have very many suspicions right now though, and we've got to vote somebody.
Don't be hasty now; early in the game, we can't risk something like that. Especially if Bird is a human.
Ok I read up. Waddle seems like a random choice, since I cant really think of a reason. I dont think it was Social getting revenge or someone trying to frame Social since I thought they were done fighting?
Can someone please explain to me the whole mechanics of the tracking/seering/other stuff? I thought that everyone voted because no one knew who the actual seer was, and whoever the seer voted for got seered. Apparently it doesnt matter and even if the invisible seer votes for someone, if the majority voted for someone else his vote wouldnt count?
And if one of the invisible roles dies that means no more of their powers? So we would know if we lynched/wolfed one of them? Would that be revealed that there will be no more tracking/seerings/guardings or is that kept quiet until the end of the next night phase when it isnt posted?
Quote from: Bubbles7689 on January 08, 2013, 02:27:58 PMOk I read up. Waddle seems like a random choice, since I cant really think of a reason. I dont think it was Social getting revenge or someone trying to frame Social since I thought they were done fighting?
Can someone please explain to me the whole mechanics of the tracking/seering/other stuff? I thought that everyone voted because no one knew who the actual seer was, and whoever the seer voted for got seered. Apparently it doesnt matter and even if the invisible seer votes for someone, if the majority voted for someone else his vote wouldnt count?
And if one of the invisible roles dies that means no more of their powers? So we would know if we lynched/wolfed one of them? Would that be revealed that there will be no more tracking/seerings/guardings or is that kept quiet until the end of the next night phase when it isnt posted?
Everyone can vote, as long as the seer/guard/tracker is alive, I believe??
^This is correct. Once the invisible Seer/Guardian/Tracker dies, the event will stop.
Maybe wolfing Waddle was a choice revenge by Social for being banned!!!
*gasp*
Quote from: Bubbles7689 on January 08, 2013, 02:27:58 PMOk I read up. Waddle seems like a random choice, since I cant really think of a reason. I dont think it was Social getting revenge or someone trying to frame Social since I thought they were done fighting?
Can someone please explain to me the whole mechanics of the tracking/seering/other stuff? I thought that everyone voted because no one knew who the actual seer was, and whoever the seer voted for got seered. Apparently it doesnt matter and even if the invisible seer votes for someone, if the majority voted for someone else his vote wouldnt count?
And if one of the invisible roles dies that means no more of their powers? So we would know if we lynched/wolfed one of them? Would that be revealed that there will be no more tracking/seerings/guardings or is that kept quiet until the end of the next night phase when it isnt posted?
The seer will only work ask long as the invisible seer is alive, everyone's vote counts, same aplies with guard and semi track.
I don't let you know if the invisible roles die, you find out next night.
And Bubbles, I thought you were using some scientific terms to insult my game in your poke post!!! Keeeep ittt!
Quote from: spitllama on January 08, 2013, 02:39:34 PMMaybe wolfing Waddle was a choice revenge by Social for being banned!!!
*gasp*
If I were me, I would get revenge by editing all the posts in a thread he made have the word, squidward or Gaara. It would be more smart than just wolfing him.
Safety on
BDS
I think it might be good for everybody to explain the logic behind their votes (talking about Bird mostly, at this point).
Like how, Bird, was SocialFox being weird??
Quote from: blueflower999 on January 08, 2013, 01:18:35 PM^I wouldn't be too quick with that, Bird. Social could easily have been framed by the wolf choosing to wolf Waddle Bro. :P
Quote from: spitllama on January 08, 2013, 01:25:42 PMAnd Social's just always weird as a human ::)
I may be quick to vote for him, but the two of you are also quick to defend him.
He hasn't done much, but the weird things he has done have rocketed him to the top of my suspicion list. I know it may not have been
that weird, but it's weirder than anything anyone else has done. Seriously, not voting for Maestro because people would think he was voting for his master wolf partner? How obtuse is that?
Oh also, Bubbles, feel free to edit out your embarrassing post.
Quote from: Bird on January 08, 2013, 03:24:09 PMI may be quick to vote for him, but the two of you are also quick to defend him.
He hasn't done much, but the weird things he has done have rocketed him to the top of my suspicion list. I know it may not have been that weird, but it's weirder than anything anyone else has done. Seriously, not voting for Maestro because people would think he was voting for his master wolf partner? How obtuse is that?
I'm not defending him necessarily. Social generally tends to be weirder than most of us. And it's day one... it's not like there's been a series of bizarre actions.
Quote from: Bird on January 08, 2013, 03:24:09 PMI may be quick to vote for him, but the two of you are also quick to defend him.
He hasn't done much, but the weird things he has done have rocketed him to the top of my suspicion list. I know it may not have been that weird, but it's weirder than anything anyone else has done. Seriously, not voting for Maestro because people would think he was voting for his master wolf partner? How obtuse is that?
Ah, I see what you're trying to do: you're throwing stones in the pond and looking at what the ripples look like (e.g. doing something almost-out-of-the-ordinary and watching reactions)!
We (at least those two) are "quick" to defend him because they might not exactly see your reasoning behind the vote, which is why it might be better to include logic behind your vote.
I forgot that the Master Wolf thinks that he's a red wolf.
http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5214.msg187342#msg187342
to
http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5214.msg187352#msg187352
for BDS/others who share his sentiments.
I'm going to vote
Liggy.
QuoteI suggest Seering Mashi, because I've played TWG with him for several years and still have trouble reading him. Verm and Bird would also be good choices because it's always nice to know what team the good players are on. Heck, I'd even be a good option because most of you have little to go off of for me.
Why did you pick Mashi out of the three of us? Bird and I would have been fine options too, but out of the three of us you suggested Mashi. Since Mashi is in all likelihood a human, this makes me think there's a possibility you're a wolf. But really what makes you suspicious is the last sentence.
I think the "Heck, I'd even be a good option because most of you have little to go off of for me" is weird if you're a human or a wolf. If you're a human, you don't want to be seered because it'd be a waste of a seering. If you're a wolf you don't want to be seered for obvious reasons. A lot of people tend to think that "giving oneself up for seering" is a human thing to do. As a skilled wolf, I wouldn't put it past you to do this in order to deflect suspicion.
I'm in the chat.
Quote from: SocialFox on January 08, 2013, 03:39:01 PMI forgot that the Master Wolf thinks that he's a red wolf.
(5:30:35 PM) Nighthawk: i just realized something which might change my mind about sf
(5:30:45 PM) Nighthawk: reread the first post
(5:30:55 PM) Nighthawk: all of the wolves are told they're the same thing
(5:30:57 PM) Nighthawk: :morton2:
(5:31:07 PM) Savvy-Sauce: omg lol
(5:32:19 PM) Savvy-Sauce: wait
(5:32:24 PM) Savvy-Sauce: instead of making a post about this and changing my vote
(5:32:28 PM) Savvy-Sauce: we should use this to our advantage
(5:32:46 PM) Savvy-Sauce: the "wolves don't know the master wolf thing" isn't super common knowledge
(5:32:57 PM) Savvy-Sauce: so maybe we shuld keep it on the downlow so we can test people through it?
(5:33:18 PM) Nighthawk: defs
And then you went and ruined everything, way to go! >:(
But yeah, SocialFox is almost certainly human. I still suspect the players that defended him though. I suppose I'll change my vote to
blueflower999.
nvm changing my vote to
TheZeldaPianistQuote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on January 08, 2013, 03:35:06 PMI'm not defending him necessarily.
Why won't you commit to defending him? Here (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5214.msg187737#msg187737) you say you don't think he's being that weird (and say that Bird is wolfy for voting for him). This post seems really dodgy.
QuoteSocial generally tends to be weirder than most of us.
Is this from reading prior games?
QuoteAnd it's day one... it's not like there's been a series of bizarre actions.
Then why aren't you voting for Socialfox if there haven't been many other things to give you reason to vote?
I'm not going to vote for verm today, but I definitely suspect him, and highly recommend having him seered for night 2.
Suspicion List:
1. verm
2. blueflower999
3. spitllama
4-13. some other ppl
14. Waddle Bro
15. SocialFox
16. Me
Wat.
Is it because I said SocialFox is a weird player
To Verm: Even though you're vote against me was really only for 10 minutes, I should probably point out to the rest of the thread that it makes no sense.
Why on earth is singling out one person wolfy? The Master Wolf thinks he's a normal wolf, so I couldn't ask to Seer the master wolf if I was a wolf. It would make more sense for a wolf to have several options, so he can throw in a wolf partner without too much risk of him getting seered. Also, as I said, I find it harder to get a read on Mashi, so I think thought that out of you three, he was a better option.
And throwing myself up to be seered really does no harm in this game. Only about 3 or 4 people here have actually played with me, so they wouldn't be able to read into my play-style as much.
Dang it Bird I was starting to grow a little suspicious on Verm. Thanks for making me look like a bandwagoner!
Quote from: spitllama on January 08, 2013, 04:05:05 PMWat.
Is it because I said SocialFox is a weird player
I think you defended him on pretty weak grounds. A wolf knows all the human players and can defend them without really thinking about it in order to appear more human. It's just a day 1 suspicion though, nothing to get all up in arms about.
QuoteWhy on earth is singling out one person wolfy? The Master Wolf thinks he's a normal wolf, so I couldn't ask to Seer the master wolf if I was a wolf. It would make more sense for a wolf to have several options, so he can throw in a wolf partner without too much risk of him getting seered. Also, as I said, I find it harder to get a read on Mashi, so I think thought that out of you three, he was a better option.
It makes most sense if you're a wolf with Bird and wanted to get Mashi seered instead of him. Throwing out three names is kind of risky for wolves! Bird is generally a better seering target than Mashi because Bird almost always seems human. Mashi usually is more neutral.
QuoteAnd throwing myself up to be seered really does no harm in this game. Only about 3 or 4 people here have actually played with me, so they wouldn't be able to read into my play-style as much.
This is the most suspicious part. You've probably heard us talking in the LLF chat about how a lot of times on NSM, people are presumed human because they say things like "I'm OK with being seered/lynched". That's illogical because neither a human nor wolf should be OK with that. It doesn't make sense for you to want to be seered because that wastes a potential seering of a wolf. I'm suggesting that the reason you said you were OK with being seered was because you are a wolf who wants to look human. There's no logical way that you would say that as a human.
Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on January 08, 2013, 01:05:11 PMLast night Mashi voted for:
Mashi to be seer'd.
Mashi to be guarded.
Mashi to be tracked.
???
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 08, 2013, 04:13:04 PMThis is the most suspicious part. You've probably heard us talking in the LLF chat about how a lot of times on NSM, people are presumed human because they say things like "I'm OK with being seered/lynched". That's illogical because neither a human nor wolf should be OK with that. It doesn't make sense for you to want to be seered because that wastes a potential seering of a wolf. I'm suggesting that the reason you said you were OK with being seered was because you are a wolf who wants to look human. There's no logical way that you would say that as a human.
He may want to be seered so that people don't waste a LYNCH on him, if he IS a human... which would be much worse than merely wasting a seering.
If that's the case then he's playing the game wrong.
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 08, 2013, 03:49:23 PMWhy won't you commit to defending him? Here (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5214.msg187737#msg187737) you say you don't think he's being that weird (and say that Bird is wolfy for voting for him). This post seems really dodgy.
Because I have no reason to defend him. I don't think he looks wolfy at all, and I want to caution Bird against doing so as well. But it's day one, I'm not going to start making alliances simply because there's no evidence that he ISN'T a wolf. Bird just said "super weird" and that threw up red flags pretty fast.
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 08, 2013, 03:49:23 PMIs this from reading prior games?
Yes it is, and being active in other places on NSM, which Social is too and you're not.
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 08, 2013, 03:49:23 PMThen why aren't you voting for Socialfox if there haven't been many other things to give you reason to vote?
Cause like I just said, Social hasn't done anything to appear either wolfy or nonwolfy. It goes both ways. Now that I think about it, BDS could be right in saying that Bird was just trying to get discussion circulating, but as of right now he's said the most abnormal thing of anyone: that Social's acting weird. So I'm not defending Social as much as I am attacking Bird's attack on him. :P
Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on January 08, 2013, 05:45:56 PMYes it is, and being active in other places on NSM, which Social is too and you're not.
Well he is somewhat active in the story telling board.
Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on January 08, 2013, 01:05:11 PMNight 1 has ended, it is now Day 1. Day 1 ends Thursday 9pm GMT+0. Good Luck!
4 o'clock is such a bad time for me, but I know some people have it worse with 3. I dont even get off at my bus stop until 3:40 D:
Oh well. I really wish time zones didnt exist, since I never relly understood the reason for them anyway. At least in the us it was something about trains but the way my teacher explained it made no sense
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Updated suspicion list
1. verm
2. blueflower999
3. spitllama
4-10. Maestro, shadowkirby, Jub3r7, Mashi, Dude, k-NiGhT, none of whom have made significant contributions to the game.
10. TZP
11. Liggy
13. Bubbles
13. BlackDragonSlayer
14. SocialFox
15. Waddle Bro
16. Me
And I'm still willing to lynch blueflower999. TZP, are you still suspicious of me, even though I changed my vote when evidence came up suggesting SF's humanity?
BTW, this is the current vote count:
Bird - SocialFox
TZP - Bird
SocialFox - BDS
verm - TZP
vermilionvermin
At this point, I'd say that the three most suspicious people (which, at this point, doesn't necessarily mean that they ARE wolves) are vermilionvermin, Bird, and SocialFox. If you're a PARANOID person, you might even say Mashi (though, currently, I doubt it).
What have I done that's so suspicious?
And SocialFox is human because he talked about changing his seer choice so it wouldn't look like he was trying to get his master wolf partner seered. A wolf would have realized that the master wolf thinks he's a regular wolf. Probably.
Vote count
Socialfox- BlackDragonSlayer
Bird- Socialfox, Blueflower
Blueflower
BlackDragonSlayer- Vermilionvermin
MaestroUGC
Vermilionvermin- Liggy, TheZeldaPianist
Bubbles
Liggy
Shadowkirby
TheZeldaPianist- Bird
Spitllama
Jub
Mashi
Dude
K-Night
Total
BlackDragonSlayer - 1 (Socialfox)
Blueflower - 1 (Bird)
Vermilionvermin - 1 (BlackDragonSlayer)
TheZeldaPianist - 1 (Vermilionvermin)
Bird - 1 (TheZeldaPianist)
This is going well...
Oh wow, that was a vote count exactly half way through the phase. Did not plan that one out..
Quote from: Bird on January 09, 2013, 12:34:54 PMWhat have I done that's so suspicious?
And SocialFox is human because he talked about changing his seer choice so it wouldn't look like he was trying to get his master wolf partner seered. A wolf would have realized that the master wolf thinks he's a regular wolf. Probably.
Suspecting the people who were defending (at least partially) somebody, all rather quickly... That was just a list of who is acting the most suspicious; as I said, that doesn't necessarily mean that they are wolves.
Quote from: Bird on January 09, 2013, 11:45:05 AMTZP, are you still suspicious of me, even though I changed my vote when evidence came up suggesting SF's humanity?
Not particularly. Unless something else comes up though, I'm keeping my vote on you. That said, it wouldn't take much to dissuade me.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on January 09, 2013, 01:06:26 PMSuspecting the people who were defending (at least partially) somebody, all rather quickly... That was just a list of who is acting the most suspicious; as I said, that doesn't necessarily mean that they are wolves.
If you're a human, the only real reason you should defend someone is if the evidence against them makes no sense and it looks like everyone else is about to get them killed. Otherwise, it could be a reaction test (which would screw up the plans of the person making the test if you defend them) or you could be defending a wolf (which obviously is not a good idea).
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on January 09, 2013, 01:06:26 PMSuspecting the people who were defending (at least partially) somebody, all rather quickly... That was just a list of who is acting the most suspicious; as I said, that doesn't necessarily mean that they are wolves.
I always vote quickly, regardless of my role.
Bird why are Blueflower & Spit at the top of your list?
They defended SocialFox very quickly. The only reason you aren't up there with them is because verm suspects you, and I think he's likely a wolf.
Dude because he's super lazy.
As usual, safety on Mashi.
0h l00k n0w we hav a 7 way ti
omg 7 way kitb gais.
go awai boy
Quote from: SocialFox on January 09, 2013, 03:32:36 PMgo awai boy
No ty.
And that's The Boy to you.
Ter is lik 9 hours and 5 mins left in fase
Looking over his posts, I am starting to get a little suspicious of Liggy. So I'll place a vote on him.
k now it is 1 way ti, o my, sum1 get popcorn
I'm not feeling terribly confident about any lynch at this point.
The vote against Liggy was designed to be a litmus test to see how people would respond to it. I thought it was odd how quick people were to defend Socialfox, and wanted to see if people would defend Liggy in a similar way. I'm inclined to agree with Bird that Socialfox is not a wolf, so their defense of him because they're wolf partners together is pretty much out of the question.
The vote against Liggy was really bad and circumstantial (kind of like Bird's suspicion of me, but more on that later). In fact, it's much worse than what's against Socialfox and more people should have been defending Liggy. The fact that he hasn't been defended makes me think that he's a human and that the wolf/wolves who defended SF earlier are getting scared of being accused themselves.
I'm going to vote for Spitllama at this point, though Blueflower is high on my suspicion list because his defense of Socialfox reminds me a little of how he played last game as a wolf with BDS. The reason I went with Spitllama instead of Blueflower is that I know Spitllama's been active since I posted my accusation against Liggy, and I'm not sure that's true of Blueflower. Additionally, Spitllama's original "defense" of Socialfox seems kind of like he doesn't want to link himself to Socialfox in that he tries to laugh it off. And both of them are higher than TZP because his/her last defense just seemed human.
Now, on my own behalf, I'm not really sure why I'm being suspected! I guess Bird has reason to suspect me since he (assuming he's not a wolf) knows he's human. But for everyone else, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. We're fairly certain that Mashi isn't a wolf, and I voted for Bird to be seered instead, who may or may not be a wolf. Maybe people thought I was suspicious because my Liggy vote had poor reasoning (it did) but that really shouldn't apply anymore.
Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on January 09, 2013, 03:55:40 PMAnd that's Mah Boi to you.
Fixed ::)
Also, I'm having some funny feelings about Bird. He's being hasty, voting for SocialFox only 10 minutes after the phase ends, without saying anything but "he was weird last phase." O...K? No examples, no explanations of why this makes him a wolf, and no realization that he's been weird before when he was a human.
"I may be quick to vote for him, but you two are quick to defend him."
We were quick to defend him because you were quick to vote on him. And it wasn't really a defense either. Just us suggesting that you slow the heck down.
Bird
Changing vote back to BDS
@blueflower999
Dude, seriously?
I only had to look at one human game to find an instance where I did the exact same thing (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4025.msg130614#msg130614). I explained my vote perfectly well, and had already stated why his behavior was weird in the prior night phase. On top of that, I changed my vote off him as soon as information came up indicating he was likely not a wolf. Now I'm arguing that he's the most human player here.
Since I'm always quick to vote for people, and since my vote was explained perfectly well, you don't really have a reason to vote for me. Please change it, or at least have the courtesy to push for a night 2 seering before getting the most active human lynched.
Fine, I see your point. But I'm voting to get your Seer'd night 2.
Has K-Night been voted on yet? Safety on K-Night for now.
What's with all the safeties? If you don't know who to vote for, interrogate people until you find someone suspicious.
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 09, 2013, 04:04:02 PMAnd both of them are higher than TZP because his/her last defense just seemed human.
His.
Would it be possible to get a phase extention? No-one has decided on a lynch yet and there's only 8 hours left in the phase.
Phase extensions are unfair to the wolves. Humans have a bad habit of waiting around until the last few minutes of the phase, which is one of the reasons I always try and vote early.
Since it doesn't look like my blueflower999 lynch is happening, I'd be okay lynching anyone not in the lower portion of my last suspicion list. I won't like it, but if I can't make people do what I want, I can at least prevent them from doing what I don't want.
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its not registered - muahaha i changed the topic!!!111!!
Topic set by Liggy on Thu Jan 10 2013 09:20:21 GMT+1100 (AUS Eastern Daylight Time)
10:50 *** idk is now known as whois
10:51 spit Oh I see
10:51 Fox Hello.
10:51 bird Let's figure out who to lynhc!
10:51 bird lynch*
10:51 spit Yes please. I haven't been paying attention as much as I should have.
10:51 spit And at this point the wolves can pretty much pick the lynch with the KiTBs
10:52 *** Vermilionvermin joined #TWGNSM
10:52 Fox Hi verm
10:53 Vermilionvermin hi fox
10:53 spit Hi spit
10:53 *** Qew quit (Quit: <3)
10:53 whois Suspicions.
10:53 Fox Why did you say hello to yourself?
10:53 whois Discuss.
10:54 bird Vermilionvermin: Is your name registered on this server?
10:54 Fox Looking back at his posts, I am getting a little suspicious of Liggy.
10:54 Vermilionvermin I think so
10:54 bird mashi give verm da powah
10:54 Vermilionvermin i forgot what the command was to log in
10:54 Vermilionvermin or identify
10:54 Vermilionvermin it's something involving that
10:54 --- Mashi has banned *!*@NF-94CFEAAA.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net
10:54 Mashi WHOOPS.
10:54 bird lol
10:55 --- Mashi has unbanned *!*@NF-94CFEAAA.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net
10:55 Vermilionvermin why did you bant me
10:55 Mashi /msg nickserv identify passwordhere
10:55 bird yes
10:56 +++ ChanServ has given op to Vermilionvermin
10:56 Vermilionvermin ty
10:56 Vermilionvermin it says i'm not registered
10:56 bird to register, just type
10:57 bird /msg nickserv register password email
10:57 *** spit quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
10:58 Vermilionvermin thanks
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11:01 *** spit quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
11:01 Fox I placed a vote.
11:01 Vermilionvermin I'm about to.
11:02 bird blueflower for president
11:02 bird i mean lynch
11:05 Vermilionvermin I just posted
11:08 Fox bird blueflower wants you dead.
11:08 bird yeah what is his deal
11:08 bird i'm just going to find a game where i voted quickly as a human to invalidate his vote
11:09 Vermilionvermin im going to find more where you voted quickly as a wolf!!!!!
11:09 Fox Uprising madness.
11:09 Fox O wait you were a wolf in UM.
11:10 Liggy hey fox
11:10 Liggy why do you suspect me?
11:10 Fox You pushing the mashi triple power seemed weird to me.
11:11 Fox I'll change my vote back.
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11:13 Liggy wtf
11:13 Liggy I didn't push the mashi triple power.
11:14 Liggy I asked for Mashi to be Seered and Guarded which makes no sense.
11:14 Liggy well
11:14 Liggy no sense for it to be evidence against me.
11:14 Vermilionvermin i think he's talking about the time when you posted the quote saying that mashi wanted to be tracked
11:14 Liggy uh
11:14 Liggy k
11:14 Liggy anyways the tracking is kinda useless in this game
11:14 bird i responded to blueflower
11:14 Liggy because people are going to vote with the norm on the nights they're tracked
11:15 Liggy @Sauce: Who did you vote for at the beginning and why?
11:15 Liggy I think it was Fox, but I honestly forget.
11:15 bird SocialFox, then I changed my vote once the master wolf information was reiterated.
11:15 bird To blueflower999.
11:16 Liggy (partially because I'm not really assigning these names to anything)
11:16 Liggy (I don't know any of these people)
11:17 Fox I've got a plan that will make tracking not useless.
11:17 Liggy care to explain?
11:17 Fox So.
11:17 bird Tracking will always be worthless, since wolves never have an incentive to vote against the majority.
11:17 Fox I send a PM to everyone except the person I want semitracked.
11:18 Fox And I tell them to Semitrack that person.
11:18 Liggy yes
11:18 Liggy but the thing is
11:18 bird If the person in question is a wolf, their partners will tell them.
11:18 Liggy yeah that
11:18 bird And if the person in question is not a wolf, they'll be following the human plan anyway.
11:18 Liggy and why would people trust you
11:19 Vermilionvermin Or we could just tell enough to get a simple majority
11:19 Vermilionvermin four players should be enough to control it
11:20 Vermilionvermin or how about this
11:20 bird But tracking still won't matter, since wolves will still vote for the majority-agreed seering/guarding.
11:20 Vermilionvermin what if everyone voted the person above them on the players list
11:20 Vermilionvermin then it's a kitb
11:21 Vermilionvermin and nobody knows who's tracked
11:21 Liggy then wolves decides who gets tracked
11:21 bird Yeah, wolves would just control it
11:21 Vermilionvermin at least that way we can kind of try to figure out things based on who gets tracked
11:21 Vermilionvermin actually you're probably right
11:21 Vermilionvermin nvm
11:21 Liggy so uh
11:22 Liggy Fox is thought to be a human because?
11:22 Liggy I think a human would be more concerned for trying to find a wolf than looking suspicious.
11:22 bird Because he talked about "not voting for someone to be seered since it would make him look like a wolf voting for his master wolf partner"
11:22 bird But the wolves don't know which of them are master wolves. I think a wolf wouldn't have made an error like that.
11:22 Vermilionvermin And the rules say that the wolves don't know who the master wolf is
11:22 Liggy well
11:23 Liggy yeah I saw that
11:23 Liggy but uh
11:23 Liggy do people on nsm not feign ignorance or something
11:23 bird I guess it's possible, but I'd lean human on him still.
11:26 Liggy Okay.
11:26 bird Liggy have you voted?
11:26 Liggy no
11:27 Liggy I don't know who to suspect.
11:27 Liggy Which is lame.
11:27 bird you have to pick somebody suspicious to suspect
11:28 Liggy okay
11:28 Liggy hold up
11:28 Liggy evidently there's an asteroid outside and it would be cool to see
11:28 bird but it's an unimpressive white dot
11:32 Liggy I couldn't find it.
11:32 Liggy Either it's indistinguishable from a star or I missed it.
11:32 Liggy or
11:32 Liggy it looked exactly like an airplane
11:33 Vermilionvermin asteroids are actually aliens' airplanes
11:34 Vermilionvermin so it might have looked identical to an airplane
11:34 Liggy makes sense
11:34 Liggy well
11:34 Liggy it was supposed to pass a half hour ago
11:34 Liggy I think they take less than 30 minutes to pass
11:34 Liggy so
11:38 Fox So we have 8 hours to lynch someone.
11:38 Vermilionvermin is it really only that long?
11:38 Fox yes]
11:38 bird toby iz worst host
11:44 Fox Boy said around an hour ago that there was 9 hours left in the Phase/
11:47 whois are we discussing stuff now
11:47 Vermilionvermin who is whois
11:47 bird mashi
11:47 whois Mashi.
11:49 whois I find BlackDragonSlayer a bit suspicious.
11:49 *** whois is now known as Vera
11:50 Vera Because of his response to Bird's vote on SocialFox.
11:50 Vera Oh, whoops.
11:50 Vera That was blueflower999.
11:50 Vera Never miiind.
11:50 Vera Well, I find blueflower999 suspicious, I mean.
11:50 bird How is BlackDragonSlayer suspicious? He propsed a seering of himself.
11:50 bird Oh.
11:50 Vera "^I wouldn't be too quick with that, Bird. Social could easily have been framed by the wolf choosing to wolf Waddle Bro."
11:51 Vermilionvermin one day wolves are going to propose self seerings
11:51 Vermilionvermin don't see bds doing it anytime soon though
11:51 Vera Mostly the addendum with someone framing Social.
11:51 Vera "SocialFox for being super weird last phase."
11:51 Vera Your comment made no mention of the wolfing at all.
11:51 Vera So I feel that it seems like something blueflower999 wanted to say to appear Human.
11:57 --- Vermilionvermin is away (Away)
I can live with lynching blueflower because I doubt a better candidate is going to appear soon.
I have been persuaded. Changing vote to blueflower999.
blueflower999 because bandwagons
TZP, do you mind me asking what persuaded you?
shadowkirby, you too.
Because bandwagons
but you're right
changing to a safety on shadowkirby
Seriously, how does my behavior now at all appear to be what I was last game?
And whoa, guys, stop bandwagoning. TZP, didn't you do the same thing I did? Why are you voting for me?
Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on January 08, 2013, 02:00:15 PMYeah, I disagree Bird. It wasn't that weird. Right now I don't have any solid suspicions, but I vote Bird, because that seems like jumping the gun a little.
Yeah, here it is.
And also, why the freak would I wolf Waddle? He's coll! If I'd learned ANYTHING From last game, it would be to wolf Verm and Mashi first. :P
Quote from: blueflower999 on January 09, 2013, 06:57:59 PMit would be to wolf Verm and Mashi first. :P
But thats rude and not proper ettiquite.
Quote from: SocialFox on January 09, 2013, 07:05:54 PMBut thats rude and not proper ettiquite.
...exactly why I didn't do it last game. But I'll take being rude over losing by a hair. :P
Why are people ignoring how wolfy shadowkirby's votes are?
arrgh, now I'm torn
@Bird
Quote from: Bird on January 09, 2013, 04:14:05 PM@blueflower999
Dude, seriously?
I only had to look at one human game to find an instance where I did the exact same thing (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=4025.msg130614#msg130614). I explained my vote perfectly well, and had already stated why his behavior was weird in the prior night phase. On top of that, I changed my vote off him as soon as information came up indicating he was likely not a wolf. Now I'm arguing that he's the most human player here.
Since I'm always quick to vote for people, and since my vote was explained perfectly well, you don't really have a reason to vote for me. Please change it, or at least have the courtesy to push for a night 2 seering before getting the most active human lynched.
This originally convinced me. Not sure what to think now. That sure didn't sound very wolfy. I guess I am quite new at this, so I could be wrong. For right now, my vote remains on Blueflower.
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 09, 2013, 07:08:24 PMWhy are people ignoring how wolfy shadowkirby's votes are?
I don't really suspect him, he's a horrible enough human for such behavior to be typical.
I think that even though blue isn't super suspicious, we can learn a lot from his lynch. Sorry man!
I'd be cool with a Liggy lynch or seering as well. His treatment of blueflower doesn't seem like he's giving blueflower a fair opportunity for lynching. I could see Liggy either defending a wolf partner or setting himself up for a green seering making him look more human. I'll post the log of the chat when it's done. You should come on down if you're online.
Just got back from work, umm, I see that some things are going down.
SocialFox, because I'm a petty bastard.
Quote from: blueflower999 on January 09, 2013, 04:04:22 PMFixed ::)
Also, I'm having some funny feelings about Bird. He's being hasty, voting for SocialFox only 10 minutes after the phase ends, without saying anything but "he was weird last phase." O...K? No examples, no explanations of why this makes him a wolf, and no realization that he's been weird before when he was a human.
"I may be quick to vote for him, but you two are quick to defend him."
We were quick to defend him because you were quick to vote on him. And it wasn't really a defense either. Just us suggesting that you slow the heck down.
Bird
Quote from: Bird on January 09, 2013, 04:49:32 PMPhase extensions are unfair to the wolves. Humans have a bad habit of waiting around until the last few minutes of the phase, which is one of the reasons I always try and vote early.
Bird, Im assuming that this was a TWC post, or just clarifying rules or something? Otherwise it sounds really suspicious. Why would you care about the wolves?
My top 3 would probably be blue, bird, and the inactives (K-night, shadowkirby, Dude) Because I dont want to insta someone since I wont be here until the phase ends, Ill vote
DudeAlso Maestro lol
Quote from: Bubbles7689 on January 09, 2013, 08:10:17 PMWhy would you care about the wolves?
Cause he's TWC?
I think we should seer Liggy, cause very few of us know how to read him.
I'm going to counter
MaestroUGC with a petty vote of my own. But on him. So clever.
Quote from: spitllama on January 09, 2013, 08:21:51 PMCause he's TWC?
Thats what I thought but I was just confirming :P
I would probably use bold red text for a TWC post. You can take it however you like, but I probably would have complained privately to the host if I were a wolf.
Here's what I have of the log. There's a little bit missing but I don't think much of it was important anyways! Mashi said he had it though so that's good. Bolded parts are important.
Quote18:57 Liggy so
18:58 bird so i suspect verm
18:58 bird enemy of my enemy!!!
18:58 Liggy but
18:58 Liggy nighthawk is a good enough wolf to suspect wolf partners
19:01 Vermilionvermin hi i'm back
19:01 bird i think if he's [verm] a wolf, tzp is almost certainly not
19:01 bird since he seemed to be really trying to bring a lynch about him
19:01 Liggy hi verm
19:01 bird and he's a new player so doing that would be a big d1 risk
19:01 Liggy idk
19:01 Vermilionvermin sauce why am i a wolf
19:01 Liggy confirmation bias
19:01 bird hey what
19:01 Liggy (partially)
19:01 bird (6:42:52 PM) Liggy: I support a seering of NH tonight though.
19:01 bird (6:43:06 PM) Liggy: and anyone who opposes is silly
19:02 Liggy
19:02 Liggy I was exaggerating
19:02 Liggy I was saying really only the first one was.
19:02 Vermilionvermin Is there reason to lynch someone other than blueflower?
19:03 Vermilionvermin we could just go w/ an inactive
19:03 Liggy uh yeah
19:03 Liggy is there reason to lynch blueflower?
19:03 Vermilionvermin but i don't think any of them will be significantly less active than blueflower
19:03 Vermilionvermin well last game blueflower was a wolf
19:03 Liggy so
19:03 Vermilionvermin and he acted kinda similarly to how he's behaving this game!
19:04 Vermilionvermin the only day 1 contribution i remember was him defending bds against a shitty accusation
19:04 Liggy well
19:04 Liggy okay
19:04 Vermilionvermin and then he eventually voted for bds
19:04 Vermilionvermin he seemed kind of upset about how poorly he performed that game so maybe he isn't a wolf?
19:06 Vermilionvermin Between Blueflower and tzp i'd prefer blu because something about one of tzp's post seemed super human to me
19:06 Vermilionvermin let me find it
19:06 Vermilionvermin shadowkirby would be a fine lynch
19:07 Vermilionvermin and his votes are super wolfy imo
19:07 Vermilionvermin a bandwagon and then a safety when sauce calls him out on it
19:08 Liggy eh
19:08 Liggy I suppose.
19:08 bird but blueflower999 is going to be human and everyone is going to be blame me and they'll be like 'SORRY SAUCE IT WAS YOUR FAULT WE COULDNT STOP YOU'
19:08 Liggy These are all really wishy-washy lynched though!
19:08 Vermilionvermin what are all wishy-washy lynched?
19:08 Vera I won't say that, Sauce!!!
19:09 bird ty vera
19:09 Vermilionvermin i think http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5214.msg187826#msg187826 was it
19:10 Vermilionvermin It just seems human to me
19:10 Vermilionvermin so if you had to rank the three potential lynches, what would they be?
19:10 Vermilionvermin the three being tzp shadow and blueflower
19:10 Vermilionvermin unless you've got a better idea
19:10 Vermilionvermin My rank is shadow > blue > tzp
19:11 Vermilionvermin also http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5214.msg188104#msg188104
19:11 Liggy whoops
19:11 Liggy wishy-washy lynches*
19:12 Liggy hrm
19:12 Liggy tzp = shadow > blue
19:13 Liggy and that >
19:13 Liggy is a >>>>>>
19:13 Vermilionvermin why is it that many >>>>>> s?
19:13 Vera blueflower999 = TheZeldaPianist > shadowkirby, though, I suppose I would be okay with a shadowkirby lynch.
19:14 Liggy because at this point if blue is lynched I will
19:14 Vermilionvermin what if blue flips green
19:14 Vermilionvermin ?
19:14 Vera then
19:14 Liggy er?
19:14 Vera hell be purple
19:14 Liggy okay
19:15 Liggy so
19:15 Liggy if blue is green
19:15 Vermilionvermin liggy, why are you assuming blueflower will flip red?
19:15 Liggy hell is purple
19:15 Liggy I am not assuming anything?
19:15 Vermilionvermin 19:14 Liggy because at this point if blue is lynched I will
19:15 Vermilionvermin This wouldn't happen if blueflower flips green
19:15 Liggy er
19:15 Liggy yeah it would
19:16 Liggy it wouldn't happen if blue flips red
19:16 Liggy I said I think blue is a human.
19:17 Vermilionvermin I'm probably going to lynch you if blue flips red and you defended him like this
19:17 bird oh there's cardflipping
19:17 Liggy thx
19:17 bird man its a great day to be human
19:17 Liggy well nh
19:17 Liggy I'm defending him
19:17 Liggy because
19:17 Liggy what evidence do we have against him
19:17 Liggy I honestly think the bandwagoning evidence is stronger
19:17 Vermilionvermin he's acting pretty similar to how he did as a wolf
19:17 Liggy because the defending isn't that incriminating
19:17 Liggy well
19:18 Vermilionvermin and he didn't respond to my lynch against you which was way dumber than the one against sf?
19:18 Liggy hrm
19:18 Liggy well
19:18 Liggy sf everyone thinks is human
19:18 Liggy so what exactly does that say
19:18 Liggy and the first thing you said means nothing to me
19:18 Liggy because I can't ascertain that.
19:19 Vermilionvermin but why are you so sure he isn't a wolf then?
19:20 Liggy I'm not sure
19:20 Liggy there's just better options
19:20 Liggy and I don't want to see a lynch wasted!
19:20 bird lets lynch blue again i've made up my mind
19:20 Liggy although
19:20 Liggy everyone else seems to suspect blue more
19:20 Liggy so not much I can do
19:21 Liggy It's just that I can't compare him to previous wolf preformances.
19:21 Liggy and there's a perfectly valid reason why he wouldn't defend me
19:21 Liggy you were yelling at him for defending social
19:21 Liggy so he was scared
19:21 bird i think blue and verm would make good partners
19:21 Liggy (believe or not, humans also try to avoid suspicion)
19:22 Vermilionvermin Humans shouldn't go out of their way to avoid suspicion
19:22 Liggy shouldn't do something they know is suspicious though
19:22 Vermilionvermin That's why Shadowkirby is suspicious!
19:23 bird shadowkirby is just a bad player though
19:23 bird he does stuff liket his all the time
19:23 Liggy jeez nighthawk I think we've been through this before
19:23 Liggy if a person would be equally suspicious if they hadn't done what made them susipicious
19:23 Liggy the suspicion makes no sense
19:23 Vermilionvermin i'm not sure how this applies to shadowkirby and blueflower
19:24 Liggy well
19:24 Liggy you're suspicious of shadow for changing his vote
19:24 Liggy when you would've been suspicious of him if he didn't too, probably
19:24 Liggy likewise you're suspicious of blue for not defending me
19:24 Liggy but you probably would've been suspicious of him if he did
19:24 Liggy
19:25 Vermilionvermin No I'm not.
19:25 Liggy oh
19:25 Vermilionvermin sorry i said that wrong
19:25 Liggy then I'm misunderstanding you
19:25 Liggy mb
19:25 Vermilionvermin I would be less suspicious of him if he didn't
19:25 Vermilionvermin Because bandwagoning is standard shadowkirby fare
19:25 Vermilionvermin This is not.
19:25 Vermilionvermin This is a deliberate attempt to avoid suspicion
19:26 Vermilionvermin which is either bad human play or bad wolf play
19:26 Vermilionvermin I've seen less of shadowkirby as a wolf
19:26 Vermilionvermin also socialfox told us the wrong phase end time
19:26 Liggy hold uo
19:26 Liggy up*
19:26 Vermilionvermin I think we have until tomorrow
19:26 Vermilionvermin but like mid-day tomorrow
19:27 bird sf was accurate
19:27 bird since tbwcw said 9 hours from now approximately 3 hours ago
19:27 Vermilionvermin well then tbwcw was wrong!
19:27 bird http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5214.msg188040#msg188040
19:27 bird I thought so
19:27 Liggy well
19:27 Vermilionvermin http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5214.msg187716#msg187716
19:28 Liggy shoot
19:28 Vermilionvermin original day phase end is 9 pm on thursday
19:28 Liggy I forgot what I was going to say!
19:28 bird well
19:28 Vermilionvermin on tbwcw's time
19:28 bird 9pm GMT+0
19:28 Vermilionvermin which is http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/
19:28 Liggy gmt is 5 hours ahead of eastern
19:28 bird yeah
19:28 bird it's like 3:00 in the afternoon
19:28 Vermilionvermin it's 3 am for him now
19:28 Liggy so
19:28 Liggy 1 pm thursday for nighthawk
19:28 Liggy 4 pm thursday for me
19:28 Vermilionvermin so that's a relief
19:28 Liggy yeah this is probably the last time I'll be on.
19:29 Vermilionvermin after tonight i'll have school so i won't be able to talk
19:29 Liggy I'll be able to check the thread and pms tomorrow morning though
19:29 Vermilionvermin so assume we're deciding a lynch tonight
19:29 Vermilionvermin if i don't forget i can do the same
19:29 Liggy so if a stunning revelation occurs make sure to notify me via nsm/llf
19:30 Liggy anyways nighthawk I suppose this is making sense
19:30 Liggy but most of the arguments you have against these people is that "this isn't normally how they act"
19:30 Liggy and yeah
19:31 Liggy I have no way of knowing that without you telling me
19:31 Liggy and when you do I have no way of telling how different it is!
19:31 Liggy so everyone seems a lot less suspicious to me
19:32 *** Fox joined #TWGNSM
19:32 Fox Hello
19:33 Liggy hi
19:33 Vermilionvermin rank tzp, blueflower, liggy, and shadowkirby in terms of suspicion
19:33 bird blueflowe liggy tzp shadowkirby
19:33 Liggy thx guys
19:33 Liggy liggy is most suspicious
19:33 Liggy rest don't matter
19:33 bird sry ur bein a mayor dotour
19:34 Liggy but I guess
19:34 Vermilionvermin for me it's shadowkirby > liggy > blue > tzp
19:34 Fox liggy blue tzp
19:34 Liggy shadow > blue > tzp > liggy
19:34 Vermilionvermin wait why is tzp less suspicious than blue now?
19:34 Vermilionvermin @liggy
19:34 Fox oops i meant liggy blue tzp and shadowkirby.
19:34 Liggy because
19:35 Liggy you've convinced me that blue is more suspicious than I previously thought.
19:35 Liggy also I still have no idea what I'm doing that's suspicious
19:35 Liggy someone explain it to me again
19:35 Liggy shouldn't be too hard
19:35 Vermilionvermin weird opinion on blue
19:35 Vermilionvermin especially when you thought the phase was ending sooner than it is
19:36 bird liggy i feel like you're being really hesitant and using your newness as an excuse to not form decent suspicions
19:36 bird sort of coasting through the game, which is unlike you
19:36 Liggy oh nice
19:36 Liggy two completely different answers
19:36 Liggy (not sarcasm)
19:37 Liggy nighthawk's makes the least amount of sense
19:37 Liggy so let's start there
19:37 Liggy ahem
19:37 Liggy How does holding a contrary opinion make me a wolf?
19:37 Liggy done
19:37 Vermilionvermin It's not contrary, it's silly.
19:38 Liggy @Sauce:
19:38 Vermilionvermin Your opinion on blueflower had him as surprisingly less suspicious
19:38 Vermilionvermin especially based on the criteria for shadowkirby being suspicious
19:38 Liggy If you remove the references from past games in Nighthawk's reasonings
19:38 Liggy they make no sense
19:39 Liggy well
19:39 Liggy not a whole lot of sense
19:39 Vermilionvermin Then you should have inquired as to the reasoning, not said they don't make any sense and said that you don't want to lynch him
19:40 *** BlackDragonSlayer joined #TWGNSM
19:41 BlackDragonSlayer I can only stay for a few minutes.
19:41 Fox hi BS
19:41 Liggy er
19:41 Vermilionvermin okay
19:41 bird who are you currently voting for BlackDragonSlayer
19:41 Vermilionvermin quick give us your top 3 suspicions
19:41 BlackDragonSlayer Vermilionvermin, Bird, SocialFox... or possibly TZP
19:41 Fox NOT QUICK ENOUGH.
19:42 bird (9:41:18 PM) bird: who are you currently voting for BlackDragonSlayer
19:42 BlackDragonSlayer *blueflower, not TZP
19:42 BlackDragonSlayer Vermilionvermin
19:42 bird oh yeah
19:42 bird well, no complaints there
19:42 Vermilionvermin why am i suspicious bds?
19:43 Fox And Why am *I* suspicious
19:43 BlackDragonSlayer *reading over previous posts*
19:44 BlackDragonSlayer Changing your vote is one thing, plus the lack of other major suspicions.]
19:44 Vermilionvermin why is changing my vote suspicious?
19:44 BlackDragonSlayer Because of who you voted for.
19:44 BlackDragonSlayer From Liggy to TZP
19:44 Liggy ...
19:45 Vermilionvermin yes but why does that make me more likely to be a wolf?
19:45 Liggy anyways
19:45 Liggy my vote is on blue
19:45 Liggy right now
19:45 BlackDragonSlayer I said "suspicious"... as I said previously, on the topic itself, that doesn't necessaily mean that I think they ARE wolves, especially at this point.
19:46 Liggy and at this point I don't have a strong enough opinion of anyone to really prefer one over the other
19:46 Liggy so I'll leave it
19:46 BlackDragonSlayer Though, at this point, they might be people to "keep an eye on."
19:46 Liggy maybe change it tomorrow morning
19:46 *** Liggy quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232])
19:53 Vermilionvermin does anyone have parts of this log before i came back?
19:53 Vermilionvermin bird/mashi
19:54 bird um
19:54 Mashi Yeah.
19:54 Mashi I think I have all of it.
19:54 Vermilionvermin all right
19:54 Vermilionvermin some of it got cut off for me
19:54 bird none of it is really important!
19:54 BlackDragonSlayer Whenever I try to Copy/Paste from Mibbit, the format is always messed up. :S
19:55 Vermilionvermin yes but i like to have the whole thing
19:55 BlackDragonSlayer Well, goodbye...
19:55 *** BlackDragonSlayer quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
19:55 Fox have good nightmares
20:00 Fox Maestro voted for me
20:00 Fox
20:06 *** Fox quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
Super important stuff is bolded, underlined, and italicized. Stuff I think should be read is just bolded. Fleshing out a more in-depth
Liggy vote in a few.
Quoting from the log, here's why I find Liggy really suspicious.
Quote19:02 Vermilionvermin Is there reason to lynch someone other than blueflower?
19:03 Vermilionvermin we could just go w/ an inactive
19:03 Liggy uh yeah
19:03 Liggy is there reason to lynch blueflower?
19:03 Vermilionvermin but i don't think any of them will be significantly less active than blueflower
19:03 Vermilionvermin well last game blueflower was a wolf
19:03 Liggy so
19:03 Vermilionvermin and he acted kinda similarly to how he's behaving this game!
19:04 Vermilionvermin the only day 1 contribution i remember was him defending bds against a shitty accusation
19:04 Liggy well
19:04 Liggy okay
19:04 Vermilionvermin and then he eventually voted for bds
19:04 Vermilionvermin he seemed kind of upset about how poorly he performed that game so maybe he isn't a wolf?
This is where I explain that blueflower is suspicious because his defense of bds is similar to his previous performance as a wolf.
Quote19:12 Liggy tzp = shadow > blue
19:13 Liggy and that >
19:13 Liggy is a >>>>>>
Notice the timing of this. It's at the beginning of the log. This is after I've already explained both in the thread and the log that blueflower's suspicious because his behavior this game is similar to how he behaved last game.
Quote19:30 Liggy anyways nighthawk I suppose this is making sense
19:30 Liggy but most of the arguments you have against these people is that "this isn't normally how they act"
19:30 Liggy and yeah
19:31 Liggy I have no way of knowing that without you telling me
19:31 Liggy and when you do I have no way of telling how different it is!
19:31 Liggy so everyone seems a lot less suspicious to me
This is pretty dodgy defense. So basically, he's saying that blueflower is a little bit suspicious, but that he should be excused for not understanding that because he wasn't familiar with Blueflower's previous performance as a wolf. But when he says he really doesn't want to lynch blueflower, he's already seen the logic against blueflower.
Now look at two of his defenses for Blueflower:
Quote19:19 Vermilionvermin but why are you so sure he isn't a wolf then?
19:20 Liggy I'm not sure
19:20 Liggy there's just better options
19:20 Liggy and I don't want to see a lynch wasted!
Quote19:45 Liggy anyways
19:45 Liggy my vote is on blue
19:45 Liggy right now
19:46 Liggy and at this point I don't have a strong enough opinion of anyone to really prefer one over the other
19:46 Liggy so I'll leave it
I think it's weird that he goes from there being better options that are way more suspicious than blueflower to not really caring what happens. I think Blueflower's probably green and Liggy's probably a wolf.
Quote19:38 Vermilionvermin Your opinion on blueflower had him as surprisingly less suspicious
19:38 Vermilionvermin especially based on the criteria for shadowkirby being suspicious
19:38 Liggy If you remove the references from past games in Nighthawk's reasonings
19:38 Liggy they make no sense
19:39 Liggy well
19:39 Liggy not a whole lot of sense
19:39 Vermilionvermin Then you should have inquired as to the reasoning, not said they don't make any sense and said that you don't want to lynch him
Rather than looking further into Blueflower's previous behavior, Liggy simply says it isn't suspicious. Regardless of Blueflower's role, it seems like Liggy's trying to defend him, not determine whether or not he's actually a wolf. What makes this more suspicious is the fact that Liggy thought the phase ended earlier than it did. This is significant because Blueflower was the person most likely to be lynched that day. This makes him look more human and he can say "I told you so!" the next day and look human for it.
Grah this didn't turn out like i planned, it's too nebulous. Going to type out an even more consolidated version of this and post it. Preferably in number form. You can probably refer to this if necessary.
Why Liggy's defense of Blueflower is Wolfy
1. He's more dedicated to defending blueflower than finding out whether he's a wolf or not. (19:13 and 19:39 on the log really drive this point home). - MOST IMPORTANT POINT OF THE WHOLE THING, ANYTHING ELSE I HAVE IS SECONDARY TO THIS.
2. He's oddly certain that lynching blueflower will cause him to be lynched (19:14), which implies that he knows that blueflower will flip red.
3. I'm not sure how to reconcile this with point 2, but he also thought the phase ended earlier than it actually does. This would make sense if blueflower's green because defending a human makes a person look human usually.
4. Basically the first point of my last post. After I tell him that blueflower is suspicious (19:03), he is still strongly against lynching him (19:12). Later on (19:30), he says that my accusation makes sense and that he's willing to lynch blueflower as a result. But even when he was staunchly against the blueflower lynch, he still had heard the reasoning against blueflower.
5. He doesn't evaluate shadowkirby and blueflower by the same standard. I say that blueflower is partially suspicious for not defending Liggy. Liggy responds that this is not suspicious because it's perfectly reasonable for a human blueflower to want to avoid being lynched (19:21). But he's willing to lynch shadowkirby (19:12). This could be because shadowkirby bandwagons the blueflower lynch, but the much stronger reason why shadowkirby is suspicious is the fact that he takes off his vote in order to seem less suspicious. Basically, he's willing to discount blueflower's previous wolf tendencies but not shadowkirby's previous human bandwagoning tendencies. He's willing to say that blueflower isn't suspicious for wanting to avoid being lynched, but doesn't give shadowkirby that same benefit of the doubt.
So by this reasoning are you supporting lynching Liggy or Blueflower? What you're saying works for both. I think that if
Liggy is worried about blue flipping red, like you said, it would make sense to lynch blue and let the color speak for itself. Liggy could be MW for all we know-- there's been no evidence like this that suggests he'll flip red. I don't think that it would be wise to take him first.
I'd prefer Liggy over blueflower, as I could see Liggy defending blueflower to look human when he flipped green.
I double-checked my counting.
Socialfox- BlackDragonSlayer, Liggy, BDS
Bird- Socialfox, Blueflower
Blueflower-Bird, K-Night
BlackDragonSlayer- Vermilionvermin
MaestroUGC- Socialfox
Vermilionvermin- Liggy, TheZeldaPianist, Spitllama, Liggy
Bubbles-Dude
Liggy- Blueflower
Shadowkirby- Blueflower, Shadowkirby
TheZeldaPianist- Bird Blueflower
Spitllama-Maestro
Jub
Mashi
Dude-Dude
K-Night-Mashi
Total
Socialfox- 1
Blueflower- 3
BlackDragonSlayer- 1
MaestroUGC- 1
Vermilionvermin- 1
Liggy- 1
Shadowkirby- 1
Mashi- 1
Dude- 2
K-Night- 1
Phantoms
Mashi
Jub
Liggy is probably the way to go, ladies and gentlemen. He's not extraordinarily suspicious, but the only reason I was voting for blueflower999 over him was because I was suspicious of verm, and verm was suspicious of Liggy. The enemy of my enemy is my friend and what not. Liggy does indeed seem to harbor a strange certainty in blueflower's humanity, which is alarming. Just read Nighthawk's post though, if you want the details.
Anyway, convincing me didn't happen very easily, and made a few interesting statements along the way. I have all the logs saved, but these are probably the highlights:
- (2:28:49 AM) bird: how certain are you that Liggy is a wolf
(2:29:07 AM) Vermilionvermin: 80% - vermilionvermin agreed to help lynch blueflower999 if it meant Liggy would be seered the following night phase.
- vermilionvermin provided a plausible explanation for his thought process and how he came to the realization that the wolves don't know which of them is the Master Wolf.
If you want to see any other parts of the log, send me a PM. Right now we're sitting on an ugly 3-way knife-in-the-box, so if anyone could break this tie (hopefully in the direction of Liggy) that would be stupendous.
What.
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 09, 2013, 10:10:00 PMWhy Liggy's defense of Blueflower is Wolfy
1. He's more dedicated to defending blueflower than finding out whether he's a wolf or not. (19:13 and 19:39 on the log really drive this point home). - MOST IMPORTANT POINT OF THE WHOLE THING, ANYTHING ELSE I HAVE IS SECONDARY TO THIS.
I am not doing this. Just that simple. What I am doing is defending people who have much less of a reason to be suspicious. I'm going to be honest in that I didn't even see any of the reasons why blue was suspicious besides defending Social Fox, which I felt wasn't really a Goode one.
2. He's oddly certain that lynching blueflower will cause him to be lynched (19:14), which implies that he knows that blueflower will flip red.
This would be super incriminating if I said that! But, I didn't. The actually line I said was something like "if blue is lynched I will :(." That is, :( being used as a verb, so it should be read as "if blue is lynched I will sadface." I didn't want to see blue lynched, I thought there were much better options.
3. I'm not sure how to reconcile this with point 2, but he also thought the phase ended earlier than it actually does. This would make sense if blueflower's green because defending a human makes a person look human usually.
I didn't say this either! I have no idea when you thought I said this, or why you keep thinking I said stuff I didn't, but eh. Even if I did say this, it isn't suspicious! Regardless of my role, I'd want to defend someone that is being lynched near the end if the tread if they can't defend themselves and I don't think they should be lynched.
4. Basically the first point of my last post. After I tell him that blueflower is suspicious (19:03), he is still strongly against lynching him (19:12). Later on (19:30), he says that my accusation makes sense and that he's willing to lynch blueflower as a result. But even when he was staunchly against the blueflower lynch, he still had heard the reasoning against blueflower.
This is the point that makes the most sense, but like I said earlier, I didn't actually realize "acting like he did when he was wolf" was a point against blueflower. You may have said it by then, but honestly I think I missed it. Sorry. :/
5. He doesn't evaluate shadowkirby and blueflower by the same standard. I say that blueflower is partially suspicious for not defending Liggy. Liggy responds that this is not suspicious because it's perfectly reasonable for a human blueflower to want to avoid being lynched (19:21). But he's willing to lynch shadowkirby (19:12). This could be because shadowkirby bandwagons the blueflower lynch, but the much stronger reason why shadowkirby is suspicious is the fact that he takes off his vote in order to seem less suspicious. Basically, he's willing to discount blueflower's previous wolf tendencies but not shadowkirby's previous human bandwagoning tendencies. He's willing to say that blueflower isn't suspicious for wanting to avoid being lynched, but doesn't give shadowkirby that same benefit of the doubt.
I'm suspicious of shadow and TPZ not for bandwagoning, but for bandwagoning at the same time. If you notice, before I realized that blue and shadow were acting differently than they do as human, I had TPZ and shadow rated the same.
I'm going to vote for
shadow. I really want to say that this whole thing was a reaction test, because you missed the obvious fact that
my vote was on blue the entire time.. I mean, the explanation for that is incredibly simple, in that I didn't want to change my vote until after the discussion, and after that I didn't care and really just wanted to sleep.
That's a 4-way Kitb between Liggy, Shadow, Dude, and Blueflower. I should be able to get back on later today to quickly change my vote if necessary. I'm not swayed by Liggy's defense right now. I can confirm that the actual log did say "If blueflower is lynched I will :(," but by my reaction in the log you can tell I thought he was saying that if blueflower was lynched he'd be lynched. As for point 3 about the phase ending, I'm pretty sure we all thought that the phase ended earlier at the time because tbwcw had said it ended earlier.
You don't think it's suspicious that you were defending the person you were voting for? And not just that, but defending them towards what we believed to be the end of the phase? It looked like you were setting yourself up for an "I told you so" rather than trying to lynch a wolf. You've changed your vote now, but I'm still not really impressed, since it could just be a response to the suspicion we have of you.
Also, shadowkirby, despite being awful, hadn't done anything out of the ordinary!!!!
Finally, there's your post on day one, which just comes across as something a wolf would say. The suggestion that even you would be a good seeing target, i mean.
I'll also be in the chatroom later this afternoon before the lynch.
This is why self-safeties are really bad for the humans. I'm heavily inclined to think that blueflower is a human if Liggy's a wolf, so that option is out, leaving me with shadowkirby and dude. Because I think liggy's a wolf I don't want to vote for Shadowkirby, and if Liggy is a wolf he avoided the obvious self-saving Dude vote. If I remember I'll try to get back online around lunchtime but I won't come to the charroom because I'm at school and on my phone.
Dude to be safe, as discussed earlier, but I'll be in the chatroom.
Socialfox- BDS
Bird- Dude
Blueflower- K-Night
BlackDragonSlayer- Vermilionvermin
MaestroUGC- Socialfox
Vermilionvermin- Dude
Bubbles-Dude
Liggy- shadowkirby
Shadowkirby- shadowkirby
TheZeldaPianist- blueflower
Spitllama-Maestro
Jub
Mashi
Dude-Dude
K-Night-Mashi
Dude - 4
shadowkirby - 2
Everyone else - 1
Liggy
It's awful, we can't even get him lynched over here!!! :'(
Mahn, I feel like a horrible host with all you guys doing vote counts, meh, I won't complain to much!
what.
I really don't know what I did, so I have no way of defending myself. :-\
If it's because I slept in until just now, I'm sorry.
and safety on Jub because he's more inactive than I was.
Quote from: Dude on January 10, 2013, 12:54:26 PMI really don't know what I did, so I have no way of defending myself. :-\
I know that feel... :P
TWG XLVI: Have it Your Way
01. Waddle Bro
02. Socialfox
03. Bird
04. Blueflower
05. BlackDragonSlayer
06. MaestroUGC
07. Verthousandvermin
08. Bubbles
09. Liggy
10. Shadowkirby
11. TheZeldaPianist
12. Spitllama
13. Jub
14. Mashi
15. Dude
16. K-Night
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Vote count
Socialfox- BlackDragonSlayer, Liggy, BlackDragonSlayer
Bird- Socialfox, Blueflower, Liggy, Dude
Blueflower- Bird, K-Night
BlackDragonSlayer- Vermilionvermin
MaestroUGC- Socialfox
Vermilionvermin- Liggy, TheZeldaPianist, Spitllama, Shadowkirby, Liggy, Dude
Bubbles- Dude
Liggy- Blueflower, Shadowkirby
Shadowkirby- Blueflower, Shadowkirby
TheZeldaPianist- Bird, Blueflower
Spitllama- MaestroUGC
Jub
Mashi
Dude- Dude, Jub
K-Night- Mashi
Total
Dude- 3 (Bird, Vermilionvermin, Bubbles)
Shadowkirby- 2 (Liggy, Shadowkirby)
K-Night- 1 (Blueflower)
Vermilionvermin- 1 (BlackDragonSlayer)
Socialfox- 1 (MaestroUGC)
Blueflower- 1 (TheZeldaPianist)
MaestroUGC- 1 (Spitllama)
Jub- 1 (Dude)
Mashi-1 (K-Night)
BlackDragonSlayer- 1 (Socialfox)
Dude was lynched!
01. Waddle Bro
02. Socialfox
03. Bird
04. Blueflower
05. BlackDragonSlayer
06. MaestroUGC
07. Verthousandvermin
08. Bubbles
09. Liggy
10. Shadowkirby
11. TheZeldaPianist
12. Spitllama
13. Jub
14. Mashi
15. Dude
16. K-Night
End of Day 1. It is now Night 2, please send in your actions before Friday 10pm (GMT+0)
Sorry for being 13mins late, I was planning on getting a vote count out 30 mins before phase ended but it took me 40 mins to do that. :-\
Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on January 10, 2013, 01:12:59 PMDude was lynched!
End of Day 1. It is now Night 2, please send in your actions before Friday 10pm (GMT+0)
Uh oh... I have a feeling Dude wasn't a wolf. :|
Well, we better start thinking of who to seer/guard/track.
Yeh you better!
I suggest seering Liggy, since that's how general vote seems to be going. We may be able to save ourselves a lynch.
Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on January 10, 2013, 02:13:54 PMI suggest seering Liggy, since that's how general vote seems to be going. We may be able to save ourselves a lynch.
If we seer/guard Liggy, and track Blueflower, or visa-versa, we might be able to know what's going on with both of them (at least partially), whether or not one is a human, if they're both wolves, or if only one of them is a wolf.
Don't guard me if you seer me. Mashi is probably a better played than me, and you guys probably wouldn't find a green result enough to remove all doubt from me. It would probably be better for all of us if you go and protect the more reliable Seering result.
Well, a green is never enough to remove all doubt.... I still stick with what I said.
Quote from: Liggy on January 10, 2013, 02:34:05 PMDon't guard me if you seer me. Mashi is probably a better played than me, and you guys probably wouldn't find a green result enough to remove all doubt from me. It would probably be better for all of us if you go and protect the more reliable Seering result.
If we don't guard you when we seer you, if we do seer you, and you're not a wolf, it is highly likely that the wolves will wolf you... but as I said before, that could work either way, for or against us.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on January 10, 2013, 03:16:41 PMIf we don't guard you when we seer you, if we do seer you, and you're not a wolf, it is highly likely that the wolves will wolf you... but as I said before, that could work either way, for or against us.
And if you guard me, they'll wolf Mashi.
I think most people would trust Mashi more than me, so it would be pointless to kill Mashi to keep me alive.
Quote from: Liggy on January 10, 2013, 04:37:34 PMAnd if you guard me, they'll wolf Mashi.
I think most people would trust Mashi more than me, so it would be pointless to kill Mashi to keep me alive.
Who's to say they can't use that fact (Mashi not being wolfed) against him? What if he IS a wolf (just examining all possibilities)??
We should definitely guard Mashi tonight. If Liggy's a human, I'd welcome the wolves wolfing him so we don't waste a lynch on him!
Out of the two near comfirmed humans, he is the better player.
Two near confirmed humans? And who might the second one be?
What reason is there to guard Liggy instead? I can't think of a plausible circumstance in which it's better to guard Liggy instead of Mashi. Guarding Liggy basically means the wolves are going to wolf Mashi. Guarding Mashi could mean a lot of different things but none of them are anywhere near as bad as letting Mashi die.
Well actually, if I was seered blue and wolfed that would be bad.
But I still agree with guarding Mashi. See you guys in the post game?
Quote from: Liggy on January 10, 2013, 05:39:52 PMWell actually, if I was seered blue and wolfed that would be bad.
But I still agree with guarding Mashi. See you guys in the post game?
Blue... I didn't think there were any blue roles??
Also, if we don't guard the person we seer, we might as well not even discuss/announce who we're going to seer; we might as well just do it rather randomly. :-\
I hope everybody learned a valuable lesson about voting last day phase. Do it early and don't safety, please.
I'm in favor of seering vermilionvermin and guarding vermilionvermin. I think that if there are two players we would like to know the colors of, we should seer the less suspicious of the two and lynch the more suspicious of the two. If we seered the more suspicious of the two and obviosuly the player more likely to be red, we would lynch them and the cardflip would be made redundant. By seering the less suspicious of the two, we get information on that player's color and learn the color of the more suspicious player after the lynch.
Why not guard Mashi? Well, no offense to him, but he's been super inactive this game. I don't want to doom a player as helpful as verm, especially if he's human and could be a better confirmed human that Mashi was. I'm edging on the side of verm's humanity at this point, anyway.
Quote from: Bird on January 10, 2013, 05:51:49 PMI hope everybody learned a valuable lesson about voting last day phase. Do it early and don't safety, please.
I'm in favor of seering vermilionvermin and guarding vermilionvermin. I think that if there are two players we would like to know the colors of, we should seer the less suspicious of the two and lynch the more suspicious of the two. If we seered the more suspicious of the two and obviosuly the player more likely to be red, we would lynch them and the cardflip would be made redundant. By seering the less suspicious of the two, we get information on that player's color and learn the color of the more suspicious player after the lynch.
Why not guard Mashi? Well, no offense to him, but he's been super inactive this game. I don't want to doom a player as helpful as verm, especially if he's human and could be a better confirmed human that Mashi was. I'm edging on the side of verm's humanity at this point, anyway.
I suppose that that would be a good choice as to who to guard/seer. However, I am not sure of whether or not we should track the same person whom we guard/seer...
Tracking will never be useful in this game. I'll be incredibly surprised and impressed if somebody can come up with a plan to make it helpful, but I wouldn't worry about it for now.
Quote from: Bird on January 10, 2013, 05:57:25 PMTracking will never be useful in this game. I'll be incredibly surprised and impressed if somebody can come up with a plan to make it helpful, but I wouldn't worry about it for now.
PLAN: It would be better if we catch the person off guard; thus, tracking might work better if the people who voted decided it on an individual level, rather than discussed here. If they don't know whether or not they are being tracked, the results might be a lot more helpful.
^I very much agree with this. It is pointless unless it is a surprise.
The only problem I see is if the wolves all choose the same person... but that could also be helpful with seeing which people AREN'T wolves, or are less likely to be.
Also, I think just as we did it last time, we should announce our seering and guarding choices. Later in the phase, someone can tally up everyone's picks and we can come to an agreement on what we should do.
I likely won't be around for the rest of the phase.
There's no reason to waste a seering on an active player anywhere other than #1 on your suspicion list, especially not at the cost of losing an all-but-confirmed human.
I'll be voting to guard and seer Liggy.
Sorry I've been so inactive guys. This game is buzzing by really fast, and I've had semester exams this week.
Anyway, I'd have to read the thread again, but there was one person who seemed to stick out as more suspicious to me than most everyone else. I can't think of it right now, but after reading the thread tomorrow morning, I'll letcha know.
I'm sorry for being inactive, Bird. :(
I concur with him though, that I would support a vermilionvermin seering. Not sure about guarding though, since I'm not so sure the Wolves would bother wolfing him if he were unguarded, but I'll concede to you anyway even though it's against my better judgement.
In regard to Tracking, idk, I'll do it on a random Player.
Anyone want a phase extension? (There is 1 and a half hours left in phase)
I've received less than half the votes I should be getting.
Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on January 11, 2013, 12:29:18 PMAnyone want a phase extension? (There is 1 and a half hours left in phase)
I've received less than half the votes I should be getting.
Don't worry, I'll vote right now. I've been sleeping all night (:P) and wanted to wait to see if there was more discussion.
Well phase will be updated a little late but no longer than an hour!
TWG XLVI: Have it Your Way
01. Waddle Bro
02. Socialfox
03. Bird
04. Blueflower
05. BlackDragonSlayer
06. MaestroUGC
07. Verthousandvermin
08. Bubbles
09. Liggy
10. Shadowkirby
11. TheZeldaPianist
12. Spitllama
13. Jub
14. Mashi
15. Dude
16. K-Night
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Last Night Bird was killed!
Players voted for:
Vermilionvermin to be guarded.
Bubbles to be tracked.
Last night Bubbles voted for:
Mashi to be guarded.
BlackDragonSlayer to be tracked.
01. Waddle Bro
02. Socialfox
03. Bird
04. Blueflower
05. BlackDragonSlayer
06. MaestroUGC
07. Verthousandvermin
08. Bubbles
09. Liggy
10. Shadowkirby
11. TheZeldaPianist
12. Spitllama
13. Jub
14. Mashi
15. Dude
16. K-Night
Night 2 has ended, it is now Day 2. Day 2 ends Sunday 9pm GMT+0. Good Luck!
CRAP WE LOST OUR SEER.
AND OUR MILLER TOO I GUESS.
Welp good thing we didn't seer Bird.
Oh and just to avoid confusion I'll help you guys out this time only, the invisible seer was either Waddle Bro or Dude.
There is no way of knowing really, unless you're me!
Hmmm... one miller left... who could it be.... :P
And that was uncreative wolves. Shame on you.
Quote from: blueflower999 on January 11, 2013, 02:08:12 PMHmmm... one miller left... who could it be.... :P
Since we can't seer any more, we'll just have to wait until later to find that out. :P
Since Bird was wolfed, and either a wolf-sacrifice, which I highly doubt, or the result of a wolf who seeks to throw the blame on the possibility of a multiple number of people, I think we should discuss a great deal of things before we vote.
Obligatory noob question: What is a miller?
And Bubbles' choices seem fairly legit..... at this point she's pretty low on my suspicion list.
A Miller is a role that is on the human team but is seer'd the same colour as a wolf, red.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on January 11, 2013, 02:16:22 PMSince we can't seer any more, we'll just have to wait until later to find that out. :P
Since Bird was wolfed, and either a wolf-sacrifice, which I highly doubt, or the result of a wolf who seeks to throw the blame on the possibility of a multiple number of people, I think we should discuss a great deal of things before we vote.
But then it would be a case of "hey lets not do/vote anything untill the last 10 minutes of a phase.
I'll vote
Liggy.
Ninjaed A miller is a normal human seered red.
Ninja'd Again GODDAMMIT
Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on January 11, 2013, 02:18:57 PMObligatory noob question: What is a miller?
And Bubbles' choices seem fairly legit..... at this point she's pretty low on my suspicion list.
A miller is a human who seers red. In the past number of games that have millers (e.g. all the game, I believe, that I've played in with millers), I have been a miller, which has led to an ongoing joke. I even made myself a miller in TWG XLIII. :P
Ninja'd...
I get confused by the meaning of ninja'd? Isn't it like you were going to reply to a post but someone beat you to it?
Quote from: SocialFox on January 11, 2013, 02:21:24 PMBut then it would be a case of "hey lets not do/vote anything untill the last 10 minutes of a phase.
That is only if we stand around like statues. :P
Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on January 11, 2013, 02:23:08 PMI get confused by the meaning of ninja'd? Isn't it like you were going to reply to a post but someone beat you to it?
Essentially...?
Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on January 11, 2013, 02:23:08 PMI get confused by the meaning of ninja'd? Isn't it like you were going to reply to a post but someone beat you to it?
Yeah.
Right, k.
My suspicion list. (of those in the living)
1. MaestroUGC
2. Shadowkirby
3. Jub3r7
4. K-Night
5. Liggy
6. vermillionvermin
7. Blueflower
8. SocialFox
9. Spit
10. BlackDragonSlayer
11. Mashi
12. Bubbles
13. Me
With the top four in no particular order. I propose that we start getting rid of some of them, and then see where this game goes with the remaining players more active. I cast my vote with MaestroUGC.
Could you please tell us why you suspect those four in particular?
Because they haven't done anything.
Sorry for my inactivity, everyone. :(
Bubbles7689, why did you choose to Track BlackDragonSlayer?
Also, we should all make suspicion lists by tomorrow at the latest (explanations would be preferred) and discuss things in the chat. I'll be there if anyone would like to chat.
I tracked BDS because he suggested we catch someone by surprize for the tracking. Since I already chose verm and liggy were going to be seered/guarded, I just randomly chose someone left off the list. :P I dont really get the point otf tracking because it only works when multiple people vote for the person, and if that person is suspicious enough to have multiple people voting to track them then they are probably expecting to be tracked, ruining the surprize
Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on January 11, 2013, 03:37:54 PMBecause they haven't done anything.
But the wolves certainly aren't inactive... well, maybe one or two of them may be. :P
Quote from: Bubbles7689 on January 11, 2013, 04:57:41 PMI tracked BDS because he suggested we catch someone by surprize for the tracking.
Ah, so you were trying to surprise me, eh!
Of course I haven't done anything, there was nothing to be done. Until now we had little to go on, so we were all just grasping straws, now that Bird is dead, I have a feeling the wolves wanted him out of the way early on, which with as many players as there are is a good move on their part, since he was taking the lead; or they panicked and killed off a strong player.
I suppose I should start paying close attention now that people are dying. SocialFox, I don't have a vendetta, what are you talking about?
Quote from: MaestroUGC on January 11, 2013, 07:41:29 PMOf course I haven't done anything, there was nothing to be done. Until now we had little to go on, so we were all just grasping straws, now that Bird is dead, I have a feeling the wolves wanted him out of the way early on, which with as many players as there are is a good move on their part, since he was taking the lead; or they panicked and killed off a strong player.
I suppose I should start paying close attention now that people are dying. SocialFox, I don't have a vendetta, what are you talking about?
The wolves could have easily wolfed Bird, like you said, to get him out of the way, and to frame a person, or multiple people.
Quote from: MaestroUGC on January 11, 2013, 07:41:29 PMSocialFox, I don't have a vendetta, what are you talking about?
I don't remember You or myself saying that you had a vendetta.
Although there was that part when you randomly voted for me.
wolves are bant after i find out who they are
unless they're me!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!!?!?!?!!??!?!?!?
It's a
Liggy vote for me.
Quote from: LiggyQuote from: Verm1. He's more dedicated to defending blueflower than finding out whether he's a wolf or not. (19:13 and 19:39 on the log really drive this point home). - MOST IMPORTANT POINT OF THE WHOLE THING, ANYTHING ELSE I HAVE IS SECONDARY TO THIS.
I am not doing this. Just that simple. What I am doing is defending people who have much less of a reason to be suspicious. I'm going to be honest in that I didn't even see any of the reasons why blue was suspicious besides defending Social Fox, which I felt wasn't really a Goode one.
I think the lynches you supported stood on even weaker ground even if you took away the previous performance portion of the accusation, but I'll get to that a little later in point 5.
Quote from: LiggyQuote from: Verm3. I'm not sure how to reconcile this with point 2, but he also thought the phase ended earlier than it actually does. This would make sense if blueflower's green because defending a human makes a person look human usually.
I didn't say this either! I have no idea when you thought I said this, or why you keep thinking I said stuff I didn't, but eh. Even if I did say this, it isn't suspicious! Regardless of my role, I'd want to defend someone that is being lynched near the end if the tread if they can't defend themselves and I don't think they should be lynched.
I suppose it's possible you missed Socialfox's mentioning of it in the chat, (the last thing the log has you saying is four minutes before he mentions that the phase ends soon) but even so TBWCW mentioned the wrong phase ending time in the thread.
Quote from: LiggyQuote from: Verm4. Basically the first point of my last post. After I tell him that blueflower is suspicious (19:03), he is still strongly against lynching him (19:12). Later on (19:30), he says that my accusation makes sense and that he's willing to lynch blueflower as a result. But even when he was staunchly against the blueflower lynch, he still had heard the reasoning against blueflower.
This is the point that makes the most sense, but like I said earlier, I didn't actually realize "acting like he did when he was wolf" was a point against blueflower. You may have said it by then, but honestly I think I missed it. Sorry. :/
This is still a thing.
Quote from: LiggyQuote from: Verm5. He doesn't evaluate shadowkirby and blueflower by the same standard. I say that blueflower is partially suspicious for not defending Liggy. Liggy responds that this is not suspicious because it's perfectly reasonable for a human blueflower to want to avoid being lynched (19:21). But he's willing to lynch shadowkirby (19:12). This could be because shadowkirby bandwagons the blueflower lynch, but the much stronger reason why shadowkirby is suspicious is the fact that he takes off his vote in order to seem less suspicious. Basically, he's willing to discount blueflower's previous wolf tendencies but not shadowkirby's previous human bandwagoning tendencies. He's willing to say that blueflower isn't suspicious for wanting to avoid being lynched, but doesn't give shadowkirby that same benefit of the doubt.
I'm suspicious of shadow and TPZ not for bandwagoning, but for bandwagoning at the same time. If you notice, before I realized that blue and shadow were acting differently than they do as human, I had TPZ and shadow rated the same.
I don't think it's that unreasonable for them to vote for Blueflower in such a short time. They had reason to believe that the phase was ending in a few hours, and at the time there wasn't really any suspect other than blueflower for whom they could vote. I suppose Spitllama was an outside possibility at the time, but nobody else had a much of a case against them, let alone one that was as strong as the one against Blueflower.
1, 3, and 5 won't only if I knew when the phase was ending. I honestly wasn't that attentive so I didn't realize it, which makes a sudden two vote bandwagon in the middle of the phase seem very suspicious. I understand people said it in the chat, but I'm pretty sure I must have missed them, which is very possible.
As for 4, I honestly just dropped it because it seemed pointless. I had realized that I had misunderstood why you thought he was a wolf, so you're reasoning actually did make sense.
I had a log with Bird where he was telling me reasons why he was suspicious of Verm, but I lost it. I'll withhold my vote until I see if I can find it, but if any of you have one you should post it.
Did I say the wrong phase ending time?
For TBWCW: Yes. http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5214.msg188040#msg188040 I think you were off by about eleven or twelve hours!
For Liggy: Basically bird says he and Liggy think it's odd that I just happened to find out that the wolves didn't know each other. Here's the log of that (bolded well this time).
Quote00:04 Vermilionvermin i think i can prove that i found that while i was looking for things about liggy
00:04 bird found what?
00:04 Vermilionvermin that the wolves didn't know each other
00:04 Vermilionvermin so during that log i was looking for stuff to bs an accusation against liggy right?
00:05 Vermilionvermin one of the posts I was looking at was on the first page, where tbwcw mentions it
00:05 bird Well that would be great. Go ahead, it'll completely clear your name.
00:05 Vermilionvermin I guess it doesn't prove that that's where I found it
00:05 Vermilionvermin Anyways, http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5214.msg187175#msg187175 was the one I was talking about
00:06 bird what about it
00:06 Vermilionvermin His suggestion of seering mashi was originally the crux of my first accusation against him
00:06 Vermilionvermin the one that I mention I'm writing in between our discussion of socialfox and my realization
00:06 bird wasn't your first accusation against him consciously fake? and complete bullshit?
00:07 Vermilionvermin Yes, but it was based on what he actually posted
00:07 Vermilionvermin I don't remember if I linked that post
00:07 bird I agree that that's a suspicious post.
00:07 bird But what does it have to do with your master wolf discovery?
00:08 Vermilionvermin I was on the page where tbwcw writes that
00:08 Vermilionvermin the wolves don't know which one's the master wolf
00:08 bird idk when he said that
00:08 Vermilionvermin Yes, I do end up quoting the post on the first page
00:08 Vermilionvermin http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5214.msg187790#msg187790
00:08 Vermilionvermin he said it in the first post
00:09 Vermilionvermin http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5214.msg187156#msg187156
00:09 Vermilionvermin Below the roles
00:09 bird err... i mean, yeah
00:10 bird I thought you meant you'd be able to prove you found out about that master wolf thing from the first post though?
00:10 Vermilionvermin well yeah
00:10 bird As in, you'd be able to give me evidence suggesting you found it there rather than from your role PM and wolf communications
00:10 Vermilionvermin that's where it was written
00:10 bird Yes
00:10 Vermilionvermin I did!
00:10 bird but i thought you could give me your thought process perhaps?
00:10 bird Or at least clarify it a bit, since i didn't follow very well the above stuff :V
00:11 Vermilionvermin I proved to you that I was reading the page it's written on in while we were talking
00:11 Vermilionvermin Okay, so during our conversations about socialfox i said i was going to write my bs accusation of liggy, correct?
00:11 bird Yes
00:11 Vermilionvermin 15:17 Nighthawk i'll probably pressure liggy 15:17 Nighthawk based on his vote for mashi 15:17 Nighthawk i'll bs something
00:11 Vermilionvermin all right
00:11 bird Yes
00:12 Vermilionvermin so then, 15:30 Nighthawk i just realized something which might change my mind about sf 15:30 Nighthawk reread the first post 15:30 Nighthawk all of the wolves are told they're the same thing
00:12 Vermilionvermin In between those two times, I was writing my liggy accusation
00:12 bird Got it
00:12 Vermilionvermin my liggy accusation required me to be on the first page, where the information about the master wolves was written in colorful words
00:13 bird Why did it require you to be on the first page?
00:13 bird Oh is that where his post was?
00:13 Vermilionvermin Yes
00:13 bird and you just... decided to read the roles while you were there?
00:13 Vermilionvermin I think I scrolled down from the top
00:14 Vermilionvermin and the colorful text probably caught my eye or something
00:14 bird did you decide to read the roles or did you just glimpse the "they don't know who is green" bit
00:14 Vermilionvermin i don't remember this was almost two days ago
00:14 bird Hmm
00:15 Vermilionvermin I said i reread the first post so i probably did
00:15 bird Well that story definitely didn't hurt you, but I don't know if it helps you all that much either! If you're looking for a specific post by Liggy, I can't imagine you dawdling by the top of the page if you need to be scrolling, and I don't think it's likely that you'd be able to catch the truth about the master wolf just by glimpsing it. It's a mess of red and green at a glance.
00:15 Vermilionvermin though skimming probably qualified in my mind as rereading it
00:16 bird well it's a very plausible story
00:16 bird Hmmm
00:17 bird and ultimately my vote on blueflower comes down to whether i think you're a wolf or not
00:17 bird do i risk it all on liggy???
The reason I want to lynch you, Liggy, is because you're basically explaining everything suspicious about what you've done as just you not knowing information that was plainly available to you. I'd written the details of the blueflower accusation at least once in the thread and I'd said it in the chat. TBWCW had posted the wrong phase end time before and Socialfox said it in the chat. The wolves not knowing which one was the master wolf was in both the player signups and in the original post in the thread. If you've missed all that important game-altering stuff, why were you so confident that we shouldn't have lynched blueflower yesterday?
Oh mahn, shows how dumb I am. I guess I was referring to 9am and not 9pm :(
Verm: Yeah, it's a horrible defense and I wouldn't trust it, but it's what happened! There's no real way I can prove that I actually missed all of this stuff, and I'm not going to try and lie in order to save my skin, especially as a human when I shouldn't have to!
Also the log I was talking about was a private log with Bird, and I was simply asking if Bird had a similar discussion with anyone else.
Quote from: Liggy on January 12, 2013, 01:17:10 PMVerm: Yeah, it's a horrible defense and I wouldn't trust it, but it's what happened! There's no real way I can prove that I actually missed all of this stuff, and I'm not going to try and lie in order to save my skin, especially as a human when I shouldn't have to!
Vermilionvemin seems very determined to get you out of the way, Liggy:
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 10, 2013, 04:52:15 PMWe should definitely guard Mashi tonight. If Liggy's a human, I'd welcome the wolves wolfing him so we don't waste a lynch on him!
That doesn't seem... very human; it's a post that I keep getting drawn back to, so to say, especially given the current context.
Quote from: Liggy on January 12, 2013, 01:17:10 PMVerm: Yeah, it's a horrible defense and I wouldn't trust it, but it's what happened! There's no real way I can prove that I actually missed all of this stuff, and I'm not going to try and lie in order to save my skin, especially as a human when I shouldn't have to!
Also the log I was talking about was a private log with Bird, and I was simply asking if Bird had a similar discussion with anyone else.
Someone's getting desperate... but at the same time what BDS just said rings true. I am tending not to trust either Verm or Liggy right now. Even if they were both wolves I wouldn't even think Verm's trying to cover for Liggy by accusing him, because he's pushing really hard for a lynch. I feel like either Verm or Liggy is a wolf.
Some points that strike me as odd:
TZP suspecting 4 inactives over me and verm, and both of us should probably be near the top of everyone's list because no one else has really been defending us. For that matter, the lack of hard suspicions on both me and verms, and the lack of people trying to defend us. Stop coasting, people!
TZP putting Bubble lower than Mashi on his suspicion list without any reason. I mean, Mashi hasn't proven his humanity at all, but a green seering is probably more definitive than anything anyone has done so far.
Maestro commenting that "There was nothing to do so far." I'm really surprised that no one seems to have anything to say on me or verm, because truly the fact you have nothing to say is actually pretty noteworthy; it means that neither of us are acting suspicious.
In the chat under the name of Octocat.
01. Waddle Bro - Dead
02. Socialfox - No strong opinions. Slightly suspicious of based on blueflower999 and spitllama's sort of defending of him so quick.
03. Bird - Miller. Dead.
04. Blueflower - Still find him suspicious for his response to Bird at the start of Day 1, in which Bird stated a suspicion of SocialFox for his acting weird Night 1, and blueflower999 responding that SocialFox is always weird
05. BlackDragonSlayer - No strong opinions.
06. MaestroUGC - No strong opinions.
07. Vermilionvermin - Mixed feelings. He acted similarly in other game though, in which he reaction tested me and later became suspicious. We were both Humans in that game, but verm verm's sneaky, so I'm not sure if it's exactly the same case again.
08. Bubbles7689 - No strong opinions.
09. Liggy - Liggy and I are close TWG buddies and I'm confident in my intuition to know whether he's Human. Although he's done suspicious things in the game (which I've overlooked in my adamant inactivity, which also led me to call verm verm's arguments ridiculous, whoops!), I feel that the way he's acting has been genuine. If he were a Wolf, I think he would have done a much better job avoiding suspicion also.
10. Shadowkirby - No strong opinions.
11. TheZeldaPianist - Sort of suspicious of him. Though, vermilionvermin brings a good point that, presuming he were a Wolf, it would be frivolous of him to put only one hypothetical Wolf Partner (Bubbles7689) below me in his suspicion list.
12. Spitllama - Sort of suspicious of him for concurring with blueflower999 and defending SocialFox.
13. Jub [Phantom x1] - No strong opinions.
14. Mashi [Phantom x1] - Totes wuff.
15. Dude. Dead.
16. K-NiGhT - No strong opinions.
So I'm going to safety on K-NiGhT for now, lest I forget to vote again. In the meantime, you should all force me to be active if I'm not!!!
Also, I'm not sure where Jub3r7 is, but I'll try to get a hold of him, since I'm not sure he's even posted yet.
Quote from: Mashi on January 12, 2013, 07:03:03 PM14. Mashi [Phantom x1] - Totes wuff.
Aieieie. Mashi's a woof woof! He found a wolf! :P
It took me about 5 minutes to find out why you had the list in that order... uh...
My top three suspicions based on a quick read through of the thread are
SocialFox
Verm
TZP
and that's that.
I take it you don't suspect Liggy then.
^^ lulz
Verm if you had to make a suspicion list, who would be your #2? I'm assuming that, with so much analysis being done, you've found evidence with regards to other players as well? Is it one of the people that you moved between in Day 1?
Quote16:13 Verm Regarding Nsm, who do you suspect?
16:13 Liggy hold up
16:13 Verm all right
16:13 Liggy ah screw it
16:13 Liggy I couldn't pause that game
16:14 Liggy and evidently just responding to you already screwed me over
16:14 Verm Sorry
16:14 Liggy Heh
16:14 Liggy it's okay
16:14 Liggy anyways Mashi strikes me as odd because he was claiming that your suspicions of me make no sense
16:14 Liggy and while they are wrong
16:14 Liggy they do make sense
16:15 Liggy but he's green so dfsdfs
16:15 Verm He does seem kind of like he's coasting
16:15 Liggy wtf
16:15 Liggy why does tzp think I'm desperate
16:16 Liggy admitting you have a good point
16:16 Liggy that means I'm desperate?
16:16 Verm that is kind of the opposite of desperate
16:16 Liggy I mean.
16:16 Liggy I can't really say anything besides "I wasn't paying a whole lot of attention to everything, so I missed a lot of stuff and screwed up."
16:18 Liggy but let's see if I can't find a more definite suspicion than Mashi...
16:18 Verm Let's talk about a few people then.
16:18 Liggy let's play the quote game
16:18 Liggy who said this:
16:18 Liggy "Of course I haven't done anything, there was nothing to be done."
16:18 Liggy ????
16:18 Verm Spitllama is someone who's mildly suspicious
16:18 Verm maestro
16:18 Liggy er
16:18 Liggy how the heck did you answer that so quickly
16:18 Verm I thought it was a weird quote
16:19 Liggy well
16:19 Liggy it is
16:19 Verm because I think it's pretty easy to take a side on you at this point
16:19 Liggy er
16:19 Liggy rephrase that
16:20 Liggy I'm not making much sense of that statement for some reason
16:20 Verm When Maestro said that, I'd just made an accusation against you
16:20 Liggy ah
16:20 Verm and I think it's pretty easy for him to say yes or no to that
16:20 Liggy anyways another quote
16:20 Liggy (in regarding their suspicions)
16:20 Liggy "Because they haven't done anything. "
16:20 Verm That was probably TZP when he put the inactives at the top
16:21 Liggy whoops in regarding makes no sense
16:21 Liggy and yeah it is
16:21 Liggy (if you couldn't tell)
16:21 Liggy (this is me fishing for quotes that seem suspicious)
16:21 Liggy er
16:21 Verm tzp is someone interesting because this is his first game
16:21 Liggy jeez fishing has such a negative connotation
16:22 Liggy also when does this day end
16:22 Verm and for a first-time player he's been a lot more active than a lot of players
16:22 Verm I think sometime tomorrow
16:22 Liggy ...
16:22 Liggy who the heck is bubbles and why does TZP trust him more than Mashi.
16:23 Liggy I mean Mashi hasn't done a lot for his humanity
16:23 Verm bubbles was someone i threw in with the inactives when i made my suspicion list
16:23 Liggy but a green seering is probably more concrete than anything anyone else has done
16:23 Verm yeah
16:23 Liggy okay
16:24 Liggy so you've been really passive in this conversation
16:24 Liggy Suspicions?
16:24 Verm one second
16:24 Liggy (and whoops probably shouldn't have told you something mildly suspicious before I let you flesh it out)
16:24 Liggy (uh)
16:25 Liggy (disregard my comment on your passivity)
16:25 Liggy ( )
16:25 Verm We can talk about spitllama if you want
16:25 Liggy what about him
16:25 Verm that's who I have second on my suspicion list at the moment
16:25 Liggy y
16:25 Verm Well, he kind of got ignored for defending socialfox
16:26 Verm which makes him a little more suspicious than blueflower and tzp I think
16:26 Verm And he, like maestro, saw my accusation against you and didn't do anything with it
16:27 Verm I don't remember who he voted for but I think it was a dumb vote
16:27 Verm i have to go in 10 minutes
16:27 Liggy hrm
16:27 Liggy making a post detailing what we discussed in this log
16:28 Verm he voted maestro for voting socialfox
16:28 Liggy ic
16:29 Verm http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5214.msg188168#msg188168 is his response to my vote
16:29 Verm I guess the same is true for dude and BDS
16:29 Liggy okay
16:29 Verm but neither of them really made any post with content
16:29 Liggy still posting
16:29 Liggy sorry
16:29 Verm it's fine
16:30 Verm And I know Maestro was in the chat at some point after I had posted but he didn't feel like reading the accusation
16:30 Verm I'll look through my log to see when he left
16:31 Verm I don't have it saved
16:31 Liggy
16:31 Liggy anyways scratch what I said about Mashi.
16:31 Verm maybe I just went straight from the client to the thread and maybe it's there
16:31 Liggy he retracted his claim and didn't understand you dropped your initial "suspicions" against you.
16:31 Liggy er
16:31 Liggy against me
16:32 Liggy oops
16:32 Verm But I know Maestro acknowledged my post and said something about "not being arsed to read it"
16:32 Liggy forgot to ask tzp how I was acting desperate
16:33 Verm I found an intriguing post from spitllama that makes me think you and he are less likely to be partners
16:33 Verm before I made my big accusation against you he suggested you be seered
16:33 Liggy so
16:33 Liggy basically
16:34 Liggy you found a post that lowered your suspicion of him
16:34 Verm a little bit
16:34 Liggy because you clearly think I'm more of a wolf than he is
16:34 Verm It kind of makes me confused
16:34 Liggy it's not "these guys can't be wolves together"
16:34 Liggy it's
16:34 Liggy "since liggy's a wolf, spit's more human"
16:35 Verm The 80% number I told Sauce is no longer accurate
16:35 Liggy 80% on certainty I'm a wolf?
16:35 Verm I told him I was 80% sure you were a wolf.
16:35 Liggy ah
16:35 Verm And now it's probably 60 or something
16:35 Liggy aww
16:35 Liggy ilu2
16:36 Verm Like logically it adds up that you're a wolf
16:36 Verm but you're kind of like tzp in that my heart says no?
16:36 Liggy so are you saying
16:37 Liggy that me not paying full attention to this game
16:37 Verm But then again I feel like lynching you to get more information about the alignments of others
16:37 Liggy is physically impossible
16:37 Verm It's not that I doubt that
16:37 Verm It's that I find it odd that you were that against the blueflower lynch while not devoting full attention to the game
16:38 Liggy okay
16:38 Liggy well I kinda avoided saying this
16:38 Verm I would have expected a "let me know why we're lynching blueflower" as opposed to "we shouldn't lynch blueflower"
16:38 Liggy because I figured you'd probably jump on it
16:38 Liggy but the >>>> was kinda exaggerrated
16:38 Liggy and then me being stubborn refused to let up until it was too late
16:39 Verm well, you've certainly given me something to think about
16:40 Liggy well
16:40 Liggy you have to understand
16:40 Liggy had I said that first that's a pretty stupid argument
16:40 Liggy but it's the truth
16:40 Verm hm
16:40 Liggy in fact just saying probably made you suspect me mor
16:40 Liggy e
16:40 Verm all right, I should get going
16:40 Liggy Bye!
16:41 Verm definitely saving this log, and I'll probably hang around the chat since I should be back relatively soon
16:42 Liggy okay
So here's where I'm at with Liggy.
My head says he's a wolf. Being so certain of the humanity of Blueflower when he's about to be lynched is suspicious because Liggy's a good player, and I give him the credit to realize that he could use that as a defense later on. It's even more so when you add on the fact that it's highly possible he believed that the phase was ending early. What makes it even tougher for me to believe his humanity is the fact that his defense rests on him being uninformed about Blueflower, which further raises the question as to why he was so against lynching Blueflower.
And yet my heart says he's human. My feelings about the part I italicized, bolded, and underlined are probably most representative of my feelings about Liggy as a whole. Logically, that's extremely suspicious. The content of what he said isn't actually a confession, it's a defense. But the way he said it just seemed really human. My feelings that Liggy was a human have tripped me up before in one previous game I can remember. Luckily everyone else disagreed and we lynched him that game, but I'm hoping not to repeat that mistake.
In the end, I'll have to go with my logic over my emotions. What complicates all of this is the fact that Liggy's one of the few players on whom almost everyone, barring the inactives, has given an opinion. As such, knowledge of his color is extremely important, and without a seer or a lynch that knowledge is unobtainable.
Quote16:22 Liggy who the heck is bubbles and why does TZP trust him more than Mashi.
Girls play TWG too :P
But yeah TZP why? I think Mashi is the most-confirmed alive player, even if it is only from a seering
HEY LOOK I MADE A SUSPICION LIST ARE YOU HAPPY NOW!?
Waddle Bro: Died. Wah.
Octocat: The Best TWG Player in the History of the Site.
Bord: Died. Wah.
Blueflower: Defending me could be some random reverse psycology thing as defending a human makes you a human as well, that is ,
assuming I am human.
BDS: At first I thought he might be the Master wolf when he asked to be seered, but then I remembered that Master wolf thinks he's a normal wolf.
Maestro: Are you just going to vote me every day phase?
Vermverm: Has contributed a lot, but seems to me to be a giant blank.
Bubbbles: Blank
Liggy; Defended blue with weird reasons, randomly accusing me of being a wolf in an unlogged chat. And some other stuff in general.
Not sure how he plays, but my votes still on him.
Shadowkirby: Randomly bandwagoned on blueflower. Other than that, blank.
TZP: That suspicion list is wolfy, suspecting people just because their inactives is weird.
Spit: See Blueflower.
JubJub: Blank
Mashi: Blank, YOU'RE TWC MASHI, I SHOULD HAVE SOME JUDGEMENT ON YOU.
K-Night: Other than not explaining his Suspicions, Blank.
Also, I found out with random dectective work that Out of the 3 Dead players, Dude is the Seer.
Feel free to prove me wrong.
What if Waddle Bro's the seer?
It doesn't really matter, does it? There's no revivals, and since the seer is dead he's dead.
Oh wait no, waddles the seer, because of order of powers.
I just wanted to feel superior.
Quote from: K-NiGhT on January 12, 2013, 08:35:55 PMMy top three suspicions based on a quick read through of the thread are
SocialFox
Verm
TZP
and that's that.
...why? No reason? And no vote?
K-NightYeah, I know, I've got nothing.
You guys seem confused about when the phase ends! You should pm me what time zones you want the phase ending time in!
Phase ends in 6hours 30mins or so
1 hour and 15 min left in phase. Vote count will be done soon.
Liggy. Lez riiide the cardflip.
lol no
TZP for reasons stated before.
I dont know :-\ I know we had a normal length phase but I feel like I'm being rushed
I guess I'll vote Liggy
Vermilionvermin... if my senses weren't telling me otherwise, though, I'd vote for Liggy.
Vote Count:
02. Socialfox: Liggy
04. Blueflower: K-Night
05. BlackDragonSlayer: Vermilionvermin
06. MaestroUGC: Socialfox
07. Verthousandvermin: Liggy
08. Bubbles: Liggy
09. Liggy: TZP
10. Shadowkirby: NO VOTE
11. TheZeldaPianist: MaestroUGC
12. Spitllama: Liggy
13. Jub (Phantom X1): NO VOTE
14. Mashi (Phantom X1): K-Night
16. K-Night: NO VOTE
Current vote Totals:
Liggy: 4 votes
K-Night: 2 votes
Vermilionvermin: 1 vote
TZP: 1 vote
MaestroUGC: 1 vote
3 votes remaining
Thanks Verm, my computers internet isn't working just now and my brother has taking my laptop out with him but I'm on my phone and may be able to update the phase on this but it could be tricky, I'm going to have to go with Verm's vote count and hope it's the truth ;).
Phase will be updated a little late, sorry!
Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on January 13, 2013, 12:49:43 PMI'm going to have to go with Verm's vote count and hope it's the truth ;).
I'm I the only one concerned with this little statement? I trust Verm well enough, but shouldn't the host be doing his own, independent fact checking and keeping up with these things? I get that people are busy, but I'd rather have a delay than a host who just assumes something is correct and plows ahead.
Well I was going to say if that was okay with everyone but thought that wouldn't be necessary since Verm was TWC and would have no reason to lie anyway.
I'll update the phase and do my own vote count in 30mins-20 hours then. Sorry everyone for all this trouble!
Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on January 13, 2013, 01:00:24 PMWell I was going to say if that was okay with everyone but thought that wouldn't be necessary since Verm was TWC and would have no reason to lie anyway.
I'll update the phase and do my own vote count in 30mins-20 hours then. Sorry everyone for all this trouble!
You realize that if Verm is the wolf, he has a right to lie, right?
Quote from: blueflower999 on January 13, 2013, 01:01:55 PMYou realize that if Verm is the wolf, he has a right to lie, right?
O_O
Yikes... that... would be disturbing... even though I doubt it. -_o
(sleeping with one eye open)
TBWCW: If you want, you can post who dies, their color, and phantoms, and I can edit in the format you've been using as TWC.
TWG XLVI: Have it Your Way
01. Waddle Bro
02. Socialfox
03. Bird
04. Blueflower
05. BlackDragonSlayer
06. MaestroUGC
07. Verthousandvermin
08. Bubbles
09. Liggy
10. Shadowkirby
11. TheZeldaPianist
12. Spitllama
13. Jub
14. Mashi
15. Dude
16. K-Night
_________________________________________________________
Vote Count
Socialfox - Liggy
Blueflower - K-Night
BlackDragonSlayer - Vermilionvermin
MaestroUGC - Socialfox
Verthousandvermin - Liggy
Bubbles - Liggy
Liggy - TZP
Shadowkirby
TheZeldaPianist - MaestroUGC
Spitllama - Liggy
Jub3r7
Mashi - K-Night
K-Night
Total
Liggy - 4 (Socialfox, Vermilionvermin, Bubbles7689, Spitllama)
K-Night - 2 (Blueflower, Mashi)
Vermilionvermin - 1 vote (BlackDragonSlayer)
TZP - 1 (Liggy)
MaestroUGC - 1 (TheZeldaPianist)
SocialFox 1 (MaestroUGC)
Liggy was lynched!
_________________________________________________________
01. Waddle Bro
02. Socialfox
03. Bird
04. Blueflower
05. BlackDragonSlayer
06. MaestroUGC
07. Verthousandvermin
08. Bubbles
09. Liggy
10. Shadowkirby (PHANTOM X1)
11. TheZeldaPianist
12. Spitllama
13. Jub (PHANTOM X2)
14. Mashi (PHANTOM X1)
15. Dude
16. K-Night (PHANTOM X1)
End of day 2. It is now Night 3, night 3 ends Monday 9pm (GMT+0)
I'd like to note that when I double-checked my original vote count while updating the phase, I realized I'd forgotten Maestro's vote for Socialfox. Unfortunate that Liggy's likely a human, and it means I'll have to reevaluate my suspicions.
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 13, 2013, 01:57:35 PMUnfortunate that Liggy's likely a human, and it means I'll have to reevaluate my suspicions.
Why did I have that feeling... T_T
...all right, who should we guard tonight? Maybe Mashi?
Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on January 13, 2013, 01:38:00 PMLiggy - 4 (Socialfox, Vermilionvermin, Bubbles7689, TheZeldaPianist)
MaestroUGC - 1 (TheZeldaPianist)
i really don't understand this
My mistake! I fixed it now.
And yes, we should guard Mashi.
I'm not sure whether or not this is just coincidental, but four people voted for Liggy (Socialfox, Vermilionvermin, Bubbles7689, Spitllama). There are four wolves, who know each other.
So mashi messaged me reminding about twg and I asked if he was a wolf and he said yes.
wait why is it night phase stop it
Quote from: Jub3r7 on January 13, 2013, 04:56:57 PMSo mashi messaged me reminding about twg and I asked if he was a wolf and he said yes.
Read my above post... :P And... it's night.
It'd also be a good idea to send suspicion lists to Mashi tonight.
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 13, 2013, 05:23:16 PMIt'd also be a good idea to send suspicion lists to Mashi tonight.
Why?
Knowing what other people think about players is generally a good thing. It gives us talking points for the day phase and generally a better idea on where people stand on most issues. But if the wolves can get a general idea of who's suspicious and who's not, they'll wolf one of the least suspicious people. The best way to hide those suspicions is to send suspicion lists to the least suspicious player (in this case, the person seered green). Mashi can post them at the start of the day phase so we can discuss them. It's also good not to wait until the day phase because if you're a human you might get wolfed, and ideas from confirmed humans are generally good things.
Because he is the person we may be guarding?? And most-likely confirmed human?
However, if Mashi is a wolf (which I doubt as of the current moment), then the lists will be used to decide who to wolf. :P
...which means that it might be better to post suspicion lists here...
If the suspicion lists are posted here, then the wolves will be able to see who people find the least suspicious and wolf them, silly.
Quote from: Bubbles7689 on January 13, 2013, 06:05:39 PMIf the suspicion lists are posted here, then the wolves will be able to see who people find the least suspicious and wolf them, silly.
But can we trust any one person??
Especially, since...
This is a terrible humanity defense, but I'm going to be completely honest here and say that I did not think through my suspicion list well. For one, I immediately attacked Jub, Maestro, Shadow, and Knight just for being inactive. Now that I think about it that doesn't make much sense. For another, I completely forgot we had near-confirmed Mashi's humanity. >.< Sorry everybody.
@BDS: We can't be 100% sure Mashi's a human, but in all likelihood, he is. Sending all of our suspicions to the least suspicious person in the game is the best way to ensure that the wolves don't get the suspicion lists. Posting in the thread guarantees they see them.
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 13, 2013, 08:30:27 PM@BDS: We can't be 100% sure Mashi's a human, but in all likelihood, he is. Sending all of our suspicions to the least suspicious person in the game is the best way to ensure that the wolves don't get the suspicion lists. Posting in the thread guarantees they see them.
I'll send it to two people, then, just to be safe.
What do you mean "just to be safe"? If anything thats more dangerous because its double the chance of a wolf getting your suspicion list.
Quote from: Bubbles7689 on January 13, 2013, 08:43:21 PMWhat do you mean "just to be safe"? If anything thats more dangerous because its double the chance of a wolf getting your suspicion list.
But that chance that both of them are wolves is smaller, I would assume. If one of them presents a discrepancy (and I am wolfed :P), then you can tell which one (Mashi or other-person) is probably lying.
It doesnt matter whether the percentage of them both being wolves is lower. Why dont you send it to everyone then? Since the game is still going on, that means the humans outnumber the wolves, so if you send everyone one youll be positive that more humans are getting it than wolves
And if you are wolfed how will we know who you sent the other list to?
Im just saying that the more people you send it to the highera chance of one of them being a wolf. All you need is one wolf to spoil it
Quote from: Bubbles7689 on January 13, 2013, 09:09:12 PMIt doesnt matter whether the percentage of them both being wolves is lower. Why dont you send it to everyone then? Since the game is still going on, that means the humans outnumber the wolves, so if you send everyone one youll be positive that more humans are getting it than wolves
And if you are wolfed how will we know who you sent the other list to?
Im just saying that the more people you send it to the highera chance of one of them being a wolf. All you need is one wolf to spoil it
1: I really dislike it when people over-exaggerate things I do. :P That is even less logical, because it grants a 100% chance that at least one wolf knows (if not all of them).
2: Both of the people will know who the other is (dramatic music).
3: But they can't spoil it. If Mashi is a wolf (which I
highly doubt, as I said before), then you would have a 100% chance of a wolf getting it. As it is said, "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." If Mashi isn't a wolf, he knows who the other person is, and if that person lies, can tell that fact (thus finding someone with a great chance of being a wolf, in the case that my current suspicions are not correct). If both are wolves, then your suspicion lists aren't safe either. :P
This is all kind of silly anyways because even the possibility of a person discussing their suspicion lists with someone else makes it risky for a wolf to lie about what is or isn't on it. And there's little to be gained from the wolves' perspective from lying about what was on a person's suspicion list.
Omg youre not getting the point. If you send it to one person its a very small chance of gettimg a wolf, which is made even smaller for mashis seering. Two people doubles the risk
Im just trying to help you. Do what you want
Please send all pm's you are sending to anyone to me aswell please, it helps in the post game, this includes suspicion lists.
BDS you're REALLY over thinking this
TWG XLVI: Have it Your Way
01. Waddle Bro
02. Socialfox
03. Bird
04. Blueflower
05. BlackDragonSlayer
06. MaestroUGC
07. Verthousandvermin
08. Bubbles
09. Liggy
10. Shadowkirby
11. TheZeldaPianist
12. Spitllama
13. Jub
14. Mashi
15. Dude
16. K-Night
_________________________________________________________
Last Night Blueflower was killed!
Players voted for:
Mashi to be guarded.
TheZeldaPianist to be tracked.
Last night TheZeldaPianist voted for:
Mashi to be guarded.
TheZeldaPianist to be tracked.
01. Waddle Bro
02. Socialfox
03. Bird
04. Blueflower
05. BlackDragonSlayer
06. MaestroUGC
07. Vermillionvermin
08. Bubbles
09. Liggy
10. Shadowkirby
11. TheZeldaPianist
12. Spitllama
13. Jub
14. Mashi
15. Dude
16. K-Night
Night 3 has ended, it is now Day 3. Day 3 ends Wednesday 9pm GMT+0. Good Luck!
Last night I got 3/12 votes, that's not right guys.
Anyone who doesn't vote will receive a phantom.
If you receive 4 phantoms, you will be modkilled.
Ha. Told you I was human. Not sure why the wolves chose me, but oh well.
Have fun, guys. I was getting a little bored of this game anyway,
Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on January 14, 2013, 01:18:24 PMLast night I got 3/12 votes, that's not right guys.
Anyone who doesn't vote will receive a phantom.
If you receive 4 phantoms, you will be modkilled.
I had to go to bed early last night because I'm having finals this week; I didn't get to send anything in because I've been taking two tests today. I thought the phase would still be going on when I got home (I even finished early...).
Quote from: blueflower999 on January 14, 2013, 01:20:16 PMHa. Told you I was human. Not sure why the wolves chose me, but oh well.
Have fun, guys. I was getting a little bored of this game anyway,
If they hadn't chosen you, you would look more suspicious. Maybe the wolves were counting on me to send my suspicion list to Mashi and one of them...
QuoteI was getting a little bored of this game anyway,
Tank chu
Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on January 14, 2013, 02:09:58 PMTank chu
Nah, it's not you. I'm just sick and I have to study for mid-terms. :P
*Goes back to grave*
Quote from: blueflower999 on January 14, 2013, 02:10:52 PMNah, it's not you. I'm just sick and I have to study for mid-terms. :P
I am caught in the middle of those nasty mid-terms. :( English wasn't too bad (Of Mice and Men essay at the end), but for Math... I had to guess on about 5 questions (three on parabolas, one on graphs, and one I think they made an error on).
Goddammit, the one day I get grounded is the day when 5+ pages come in.
That said, TZP's list is weird.
AND I AM OCTOCAT BOY, CHANGE THE NAME.
Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on January 13, 2013, 06:40:25 PMThis is a terrible humanity defense, but I'm going to be completely honest here and say that I did not think through my suspicion list well. For one, I immediately attacked Jub, Maestro, Shadow, and Knight just for being inactive. Now that I think about it that doesn't make much sense. For another, I completely forgot we had near-confirmed Mashi's humanity. >.< Sorry everybody.
Quote from: SocialFox on January 14, 2013, 02:26:22 PMGoddammit, the one day I get grounded is the day when 5+ pages come in.
That said, TZP's list is weird.
AND I AM OCTOCAT BOY, CHANGE THE NAME.
Nuh
Socialfox has been modkilled!
I figured posting the top 5 from my suspicion list might be a good way to start off the day.
06. MaestroUGC: Spitllama, BDS, Dude, and Maestro were the people who had access to my Liggy suspicion on Day 1 and didn't vote for it. This is going to sound really pretentious, but that suspicion blew all others out of the water that day. I know that blueflower was MILDLY suspicious, but really, there was no reason to vote for anyone other than Liggy that day if you saw it. Dude's cardflipped green and posted 6 minutes before the phase was supposed to end. BDS's was in theory 7 minutes after the phase ended and I have reason to believe he's human. But Maestro seems like a pretty smart guy. I give him the credit to figure out that not voting Liggy or leaving any opinion at all on him is generally safer. It keeps both the people who think he's human and the people who think he's a wolf away from him. I know he never posted an opinion on Liggy in the thread, and I know I had to ask him at least once in the chat. Looking through my chatlogs (though I have forgotten to save some) this is the extent of his analysis of Liggy:
If I had to say whether or not he thinks Liggy's a wolf, this comment definitely leans more towards the wolf side but Maestro really takes neither.
12. Spitllama: I find it odd that out of he, Blueflower, and TZP (the three who defended Socialfox), he gets the least attention despite the fact that he has what is, in my opinion, the most suspicious defense of the three. He makes a joke about the accusation but doesn't comment on its quality, using the excuse that he was just joking so the implication that he defended Social is inaccurate. He's also up here for similar reasons why Maestro's up here. He didn't take a side on Liggy on Day 1, though he definitely saw the accusation and he even made a post signifying that what I said indicated that Liggy and/or blueflower were wolves together. The difference between Spit and Maestro is that Spit has recently taken a side on Liggy, and that's that he wanted to lynch Liggy and "ride the cardflip". I guess we'll see what he meant by that, but I think it's odd that when he was the swing vote, he didn't do anything about Liggy but now wants to see him lynched. The one potential good defense for this would be that he thought the logic was sound but wanted more people to weigh in on it before lynching Liggy, though he hasn't expressed that as the reason for why he didn't vote for Liggy on day 1. I'll have to ask him about it.
16. K-Night: Don't like the random statement that me, social, and TZP are his top three suspicions with no comment on Liggy. As I'll probably state other places in this suspicion list, even Liggy admitted some of the accusations against him were good, so if you think he's human you best have a good reason or another reason for me to think you're human. K-Night has neither at the moment.
10. Shadowkirby: Usually, the best way to determine Shadowkirby's role is to put it in a random number generator, because that's what the host did. Unfortunately, I tried that and got the number 6, which would make him the seer! But this time Shadow's actually done something suspicious in his bandwagoning of the blueflower vote late in the phase yesterday. However, the reason he's not higher on this list is because Bird died Night 2. This is probelmatic for my suspicion of Shadowkirby because Bird was probably the most vocal person saying that he was a human.
04. Blueflower: There was an OK accusation against Blueflower if you don't think Liggy was a wolf. Or it was OK for a Day 1 lynch. It's not enough for me to want to lynch him now, though, and Blue's one of the last people to do on this suspicion list. I can find more of my reasons for Blue being suspicious in the big long Liggy log I posted.
You do realize Blueflower's dead......
Verm, your attack on Spit has a lot of good points. I think I'm going to have to go for him.
I would vote for spitllama, but once again (as I have mentioned that I think he's suspicious), I feel as if vermilionvermin is a wolf.
SocialFox
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on January 14, 2013, 07:14:44 PMI would vote for spitllama, but once again (as I have mentioned that I think he's suspicious), I feel as if vermilionvermin is a wolf.
Just.... feel?
Not attacking you, I've felt the same way. But don't you have anything else to go on?
Quote from: MaestroUGC on January 14, 2013, 07:19:00 PMSocialFox
XD Or you?
Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on January 14, 2013, 07:20:33 PMJust.... feel?
Not attacking you, I've felt the same way. But don't you have anything else to go on?
Have you read what I've said previously (as in, all before this time period)?? :P Plus, now, the Liggy-lynch...
So I am on verm's suspicion list. That's coll. K-NiGhT grows tired of this.
K-Night, you're only third and the reason you're that high is because I'm still waiting on an explanation from you.
BDS, I can't really argue against a gut feeling, so I'm just going to defend myself to the best of my ability against what you've said previously in the thread.
This is the first post (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5214.msg187807#msg187807) in which you disagree with me. I don't know if it factored into why you think I'm suspicious, though. The reason that I thought that Liggy was suspicious for being OK with being seered was that, as an experienced player, he should know that saying something along those lines makes people less likely to want to seer him because it comes off as neutral and "reasonable".
In this chatlog (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5214.msg188157#msg188157) (CTRL + F "Blackdragonslayer" to find the part I'm talking about) you say I'm suspicious for changing my vote too many times. I'm not sure if it's the fact that I did change my vote or who I changed my vote to that makes me suspicious. I think you might be referring to my "reaction test" vote against Liggy on Day 1, which is distinct from my later vote against him on Day 1 and 2. The reaction test vote was one just so that there would be two accusations out there.
At the time, when Bird had accused blueflower, there were three people who defended him. I thought that was odd, but ultimately there was nothing to compare it to. As a result, I put up a vote for Liggy, came up with some weak reasons for it, and tried to see what happened with it. When I changed my vote to TZP, I did so because I had an actual lead at that point. When I eventually changed it back to Liggy, it was a result of the other parts of the chatlog I linked you to above. In my opinion, the vote changes weren't suspicious because they were based upon information I didn't have when I had made my previous vote.
The explanation for my vote for Dude is pretty complicated, and I'm surprised I haven't been questioned about it by now. I think Socialfox asked me about it in the chat, but you really shouldn't let me get away with being that lazy! Here's my best shot at explaining it. When I made the vote, part of it was based on the fact that I miscounted the votes (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5214.msg188200#msg188200) and thought it was a four-way kitb between shadow, blue, dude, and Liggy when it was actually a three-way kitb between shadow, dude, and Liggy. Shadow and Blue I had thought were likely human since Liggy had voted for both near the end of the day phase. But Liggy's vote also made Dude very suspicious. Right above his post Bird said it was "an ugly 3-way kitb".
Pretend that you're in the following situation as a human. There's a three-way kitb between you, blueflower, and Dude. Your vote's currently on blueflower. The only logical thing to do here is to switch your vote to the inactive and save yourself. Instead, Liggy votes for shadowkirby. Liggy's vote for shadowkirby doesn't make sense if he's a human because at best he risks his own death in order to put his top suspicion into a 3-way kitb. It would make way more sense as a human to save a confirmed human in himself and kill a potential wolf in Dude. As a result, I thought there was a very strong possibility that Liggy and Dude were wolves together.
So now put yourself in my shoes. There's a 4-way kitb between two people you think are suspicious and two people you think are not. In order to break the kitb and ensure that a person I thought was suspicious got lynched, I changed my vote from Liggy to Dude.
I think the last thing that BDS expressed some concern over was my suggestion that we guard Mashi instead of Liggy on Night 2. My reasoning for this was thus: Mashi's not suspicious and already has a green seering. Liggy is very suspicious and has no seering. If I was wrong about Liggy, I would have welcomed the wolves wolfing him so I didn't have to waste the next lynch. The wolves were likely going to kill either Mashi or the person we seered (assuming we seer a human), whichever one we didn't guard. I would prefer that the person wolfed be the most suspicious player as opposed to a nearly-confirmed human.
Vote Count:
Socialfox- TheZeldaPianist
BlackDragonSlayer- Vermilionvermin
MaestroUGC- Socialfox
Vermilionvermin- Maestro
Bubbles
Shadowkirby
TheZeldaPianist- Spitllama
Spitllama
Jub
Mashi
K-Night- Knight
TheZeldaPianist- 1 (Socialfox)
Vermilionvermin- 1 (BlackDragonSlayer)
Socialfox- 1 (Maestro)
Maestro- 1 (Vermilionvermin)
Spitllama- 1 (TheZeldaPianist)
K-Night- 1.01 (K-Night, PHANTOM)
Jub- 1.01 (PHANTOM, PHANTOM)
Shadowkirby- 0.01 (PHANTOM)
Mashi- 0.01 (PHANTOM)
Five-way kitb? Hmm.
I know I'm new, but this seems bizarre. Does this happen often?
Theres a whole day left, so I'd say its normal
There IS a whole day left, right?
I'm gonna do this, haters gonna hate
Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on January 15, 2013, 02:10:40 PMI know I'm new, but this seems bizarre. Does this happen often?
In the Pokemon League there was a 72-way KitB. ::)
I'm counting a 2-way KitB, I don't know where you got 5.
Oh. Yeah TZP there's the phantoms :P So its a 2 way for the lynching but a 5 way for ...second place lynchings?
oh duh. >.<
There's not much difference between Spitllama and Maestro in terms of how suspicious they are in my book. I'll shift my vote to Spitllama before I go to bed tonight if no better lynch arises. I don't want K-Night or Jub to die because of phantoms. I'll be in the chat.
Wow, this is like my worst game ever. I don't even have an end game surge of activity to make up for it. I'm sorry, everyone. :(
If possible, let's all try to be in the chat at about 6PM EST or so tomorrow to discuss matters.
For the time being, I'll safety on Jub3r7.
Im staring at this list and I literally have no idea who to lynch @_@ I guess I'll vote for Bubbles and hopefully I'll be on before 4 tomorrow to reread everything and come up with a better vote
Actually, I just realised that Jub3r7 has 2 Phantoms and I don't want to accidentally influence a poor lynch, so Mashi since I forgot we could vote for ourselves.
Having no suspicion whatsoever is pretty inexplicable at this point. At the very least you could comment on the four I posted in the thread.
Well I agree with you about Maestro and Spit but I'm not confident I want to lynch them just yet. Idk, Ill sleep on it
Are you sure you're going too be able to vote before 4:00 EST?
Probably. I'll get home from school around 10:30-11:30, but dont take my word on that. I never know when I might go on a surprise shopping trip (lolgirls)
That's no excuse, young miss. Know your priorities!
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 15, 2013, 06:01:37 PMHaving no suspicion whatsoever is pretty inexplicable at this point. At the very least you could comment on the four I posted in the thread.
And the four I posted earlier. :P
coughmaybejustahunchcoughAt least, whether or not we agree with each other on all points, we CAN agree that spitllama is suspicious...
Sooooo suspicious
I went through the list of people who are still alive and I've eliminated most possibilities with minor reasons that I can explain if need be and I ended up with the same suspects that vermillionvermin did:
Maestro
K-Night
Spitllama
shadowkirby
There's nothing to suggest that shadowkirby is human, and k-n's indifference is either a wolf or a human giving up, and both of those seem like a good lynching option.
I apologize for being really inactive, but I have to go to sleep soon. If you want me to give you some of the minor reasons about specific people being human, message me about specific people and I'll respond the next time I open up google chrome.
There's a good chance that I won't be back before 4:00 EST tomorrow, and I do agree with the spitllama lynch, so yeah.
Quote from: Jub3r7 on January 15, 2013, 08:10:28 PMI'll respond the next time I open up google chrome.
Will you respond if you open up another internet browser?
Fox, I can talk about people if you want to come to the chat.
Quote from: Jub3r7 on January 15, 2013, 08:10:28 PMThere's nothing to suggest that shadowkirby is human, and k-n's indifference is either a wolf or a human giving up, and both of those seem like a good lynching option.
At this point, we can't merely go with "good lynching option(s)," especially if all four wolves are still alive.
Reading through the topic, I would rather lynch MaestroUGC because of his eccentric behaviour, but I feel that the spitllama suspicion also has merit, so I'll trust in vermilionvermin and Jub3r7's deductions and vote spitllama.
I'm leaning towards spitllama at the moment because his lack of posting anything of note this phase is odd given that his rationale for supporting the Liggy lynch was that we should "ride the cardflip". If he hasn't learned anything from it, then supporting the lynch isn't rational. Unfortunately, we're at a point in the game where the number of phantoms is really high, to the point where there's a good chance it impacts how many mislynches we have left. As such, I'd urge that spitllama be insta'd.
I think that a majority of us agree that spitllama is very suspicious, and likely a wolf.
Voting for Maestro because I don't want to cause an insta and I didn't see that thing that TZP said.
Socialfox, I think we do want to insta. I know it sounds suspicious and weird, but at this point in the game, there's a good chance phantoms will doom the humans if we don't insta. Your vote would only be the sixth and we need 7 to insta Spit. At this point, when most people live in America and have school in and around the times the phase is supposed to end, it's unlikely that the vote's going to anyone other than Spit.
I guess Ill vote for spit then
I told you I'd be back :P
I-I-I-I-INSTAAAAAA!
TWG XLVI: Have it Your Way
01. Waddle Bro
02. Socialfox
03. Bird
04. Blueflower
05. BlackDragonSlayer
06. MaestroUGC
07. Verthousandvermin
08. Bubbles
09. Liggy
10. Shadowkirby
11. TheZeldaPianist
12. Spitllama
13. Jub
14. Mashi
15. Dude
16. K-Night
_________________________________________________________
Vote Count:
Socialfox- TheZeldaPianist, Maestro
BlackDragonSlayer- Vermilionvermin, Spitllama
MaestroUGC- Socialfox
Vermilionvermin- Maestro, Spitllama
Bubbles- Bubbles, Spitllama
Shadowkirby
TheZeldaPianist- Spitllama
Spitllama
Jub- Spitllama
Mashi- Jub, Mashi, Spitllama
K-Night- K-night
Maestro- 1 (Socialfox)
Spitllama- 6 (BlackDragonSlayer, Vermilionvermin, Bubbles, TheZeldaPianist, Jub, Mashi)
Socialfox- 1 (Maestro)
K-Night- 1 (K-Night)
Spitllama was lynched!
_________________________________________________________
01. Waddle Bro
02. Socialfox
03. Bird
04. Blueflower
05. BlackDragonSlayer
06. MaestroUGC
07. Verthousandvermin
08. Bubbles
09. Liggy
10. Shadowkirby [PHANTOM X2]
11. TheZeldaPianist
12. Spitllama
13. Jub [PHANTOM X2]
14. Mashi [PHANTOM X1]
15. Dude
16. K-Night [PHANTOM X1]
End of day 3. It is now Night 4, Night 4 ends Thursday 9pm (GMT+0)
Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on January 16, 2013, 10:41:22 AMSpitllama was lynched!
12. Spitllama
I know this may sound typical or obvious, but any wolves we lynch in the future will probably be red, if spitllama was, in fact, a wolf. Because Liggy was most likely not a wolf, there's a good chance spitllama was, unless we're all highly mistaken.
Wait was that an insta? I thought it had to be the majority, as in more than half. Or did I count wrong?
There's 11 people,
+1=12
half it and you get 6.
Woah. I thought there was 14 XD nvm *crawls into corner*
I think we should seer Maestro tonight?
Or shadowkirby, if we're confident enough with a Maestro lynch next phase anyways.
Oh wait, did the seer die?
Lol we dont have a seer anymore
Ninja'd Yeah
I think we should guard Mashi again tonight... to avoid guarding a wolf.
Actually, since there are Players with 2 Phantoms, the maximum amount of votes that can be received in the Phase is 12.01. This means that there would actually need to have been 7 votes to Insta.
I posted somewhere on the PB Works Board, so it could easily have been missed. I've never enforced it properly, however, and it's technically to the Host's discretion on Instas, so there's no major problem here. The additional votes from Phantoms will be gone next game anyway, so Instas will be determined this way too, so... I suppose this post is mostly purposeless, hahaha.
Anyhow, in the future (next game onwards), Hosts will be expected to follow the rules on this page (http://twgnsm.pbworks.com/w/page/55459457/Questions%20Guide%20-%20FAQ) and notify Players if they intend to deviate from particular ones.
Also, chat party, gogogogogogogo.
Woops.
TWG XLVI: Have it Your Way
01. Waddle Bro
02. Socialfox
03. Bird
04. Blueflower
05. BlackDragonSlayer
06. MaestroUGC
07. Verthousandvermin
08. Bubbles
09. Liggy
10. Shadowkirby [Phantom x1]
11. TheZeldaPianist
12. Spitllama
13. Jub [Phantom x2]
14. Mashi [Phantom x1]
15. Dude
16. K-Night [Phantom x1]
_________________________________________________________
Last Night K-Night was killed!
Players voted for:
Maestro to be tracked.
Last night Maestro voted for:
_____[size=78%] to be tracked.[/size]
__________________________________________________________________________________-
01. Waddle Bro
02. Socialfox [Phantom x1]
03. Bird
04. Blueflower
05. BlackDragonSlayer [Phantom x1]
06. MaestroUGC [Phantom x1]
07. Vermilionvermin
08. Bubbles
09. Liggy
10. Shadowkirby [Phantom x1]
11. TheZeldaPianist
12. Spitllama
13. Jub [Phantom x3]
14. Mashi [Phantom x1]
15. Dude
16. K-Night
Night 4 has ended, it is now Day 4. Day 4 ends Saturday 9pm GMT+0. Good Luck!
Quote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on January 17, 2013, 01:06:31 PMLast Night K-Night was killed!
05. BlackDragonSlayer [Phantom x1]
Hey hey hey wait. I'm pretty sure I sent in the voting PM, unless, for whatever, reason, it didn't go through. :S
But apparantly, our guardian is dead also, and Jub has three phantoms. :S
Since when do you get phantoms for not voting during a night phase?
Im pretty sure I forgot to the first night :P
Shit, I though I had another hour to send in my PM, since I wanted to sleep before school today and I wasn't sure who to track.
Now I see we've lost our guardian. Jub has 3 phantoms, and only Verm, Bubbles, and TZP don't have any. If all four wolves are alive, we've lost.
Now if only 3 or less are still alive, then we need to start digging.
Verm started getting my attention about halfway through his Liggy Crusade. He started with some pretty poor evidence against him, but thanks to Liggy's poor handling, Verm was able to make the most of it. At first most people, from what I could tell, either had the attitude, "I guess? Well it's a start", or "I don't see it". The latter group got their hands smacked down if they spoke up, allowing Verm to keep pressing the issue until Liggy got lynched.
Now I haven't been close attention, so the above may be disputable. However, Verm asked me twice about my thoughts on Liggy. The first time I gave him a non-answer, which he pointed out. Now the Verm I now would pursue that with a full fury until he was sure of either humanity or otherwise. No, he said "this is odd, but I'm still going after Liggy." I believe he only went back to this once, but then decided that Blue was a stronger choice.
This is all just observational, since I can't be arsed to find hard evidence before work.
Should have bolded the message.
Since night 3 when I only received 3/12 votes.
If you do not vote during the night you receive a phantom, if you get 4 phantoms you are modkilled.
Now that I think about it I though I did bold the post...
BDS I got nothing from you.
Quote from: MaestroUGC on January 17, 2013, 02:22:18 PMShit, I though I had another hour to send in my PM, since I wanted to sleep before school today and I wasn't sure who to track.
Now I see we've lost our guardian. Jub has 3 phantoms, and only Verm, Bubbles, and TZP don't have any. If all four wolves are alive, we've lost.
Now if only 3 or less are still alive, then we need to start digging.
Verm started getting my attention about halfway through his Liggy Crusade. He started with some pretty poor evidence against him, but thanks to Liggy's poor handling, Verm was able to make the most of it. At first most people, from what I could tell, either had the attitude, "I guess? Well it's a start", or "I don't see it". The latter group got their hands smacked down if they spoke up, allowing Verm to keep pressing the issue until Liggy got lynched.
Now I haven't been close attention, so the above may be disputable. However, Verm asked me twice about my thoughts on Liggy. The first time I gave him a non-answer, which he pointed out. Now the Verm I now would pursue that with a full fury until he was sure of either humanity or otherwise. No, he said "this is odd, but I'm still going after Liggy." I believe he only went back to this once, but then decided that Blue was a stronger choice.
This is all just observational, since I can't be arsed to find hard evidence before work.
If the four wolves are still alive, we would still be playing, but the wolves can bandwagon on jubs phantoms and win.
That's what I was getting at, but I didnt want to spell it out in case they missed it.
Quote from: MaestroUGC on January 17, 2013, 02:22:18 PMVerm started getting my attention about halfway through his Liggy Crusade. He started with some pretty poor evidence against him, but thanks to Liggy's poor handling, Verm was able to make the most of it. At first most people, from what I could tell, either had the attitude, "I guess? Well it's a start", or "I don't see it". The latter group got their hands smacked down if they spoke up, allowing Verm to keep pressing the issue until Liggy got lynched.
You only noticed that now!? :P
vermilionverminQuote from: The Boy Who Cried Wolf on January 17, 2013, 02:24:02 PMBDS I got nothing from you.
It must not have gone through, or I was really tired last night and forgot to hit 'send'.
Quote from: MaestroUGC on January 17, 2013, 02:32:33 PMThat's what I was getting at, but I didnt want to spell it out in case they missed it.
I already pointed that out earlier as well; using phantoms to their advantage, to kill multiple players in a phase...
Quote from: Bubbles7689 on January 17, 2013, 01:14:52 PMSince when do you get phantoms for not voting during a night phase?
I really dont see why you would give out phantoms for something like that. In a game with normals seers or other spceial powers, if they forget to use their powers, nothing happens!
I'll be in the chat, and I'll begin my post as to why Maestro should be lynched today as well. In the meantime, please don't put any more votes on me because I'm not sure when the wolves can rush.
Quick question Maestro: If I
Quote from: MaestroUGC on January 17, 2013, 02:22:18 PMstarted with some pretty poor evidence against him [Liggy]
then why did you
Quote from: MaestroUGC on January 17, 2013, 02:22:18 PMgave him a non-answer
when I asked you about Liggy? Did you change your mind about the lynch or what? There's no reason to stay silent about a lynch you think is bad if you're a human. If you're a wolf, it makes sense to say nothing. You could stay quiet, let Liggy be lynched, and then allow the cardflip to throw suspicion on those who supported it. This is why Maestro's suspicious.
As for defending myself, I'm not really sure why Maestro thinks I'm suspicious for not pursuing him more. I think asking him multiple times about the same issue and putting him behind Liggy on my suspicion lists should be satisfactory. Since I can't find the chatlogs of the times I asked Maestro about what he thought of Liggy, though I could have sworn I saved at least one of them, I don't know why I didn't follow up with more questions. If I had to guess though, I was probably typing up another post at that time.
Perhaps there's no better defense of the quality of my Liggy accusation than this quotation from a chat I had with him.
Quote16:14 Liggy anyways Mashi strikes me as odd because he was claiming that your suspicions of me make no sense
16:14 Liggy and while they are wrong
16:14 Liggy they do make sense
If you still really want to attack my accusation of Liggy, be my guest. Pick point 1, 3, 4, or 5 on this list, and attack it. (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5214.msg188166#msg188166) 2 was a misunderstanding.
Oh. I'm dead. That's okay I couldn't realy contribute. Sorry, guys! You should ban me so I'm not tempted to play while I'm busy.
ROBSPBAPNFPNTPNRPNANC*dies*
I'm going to vote for vermverm, he's behaving a lot like how he acted in Snakes on a Plane.
In what way? If the logic you've put forward is the reason for your vote, explain it more than just "I disagreed with this lynch" or "He's playing like he did in ______ game". Why did you disagree with the lynch, and what am I doing that is unique to how I play as a wolf? I would be more than happy to discuss why I am or am not suspicious, but I can't fill in the blanks. I'm also curious as to why none of these concerns (Maestro's and Socialfox's, specifically) were brought up earlier when I was leading lynches on what looks like humans. Based on my suspicion list, it became pretty clear that my top two suspicions moving forward would be Maestro and shadowkirby. And now, multiple accusations that were perfectly available before are surfacing all at the same time.
I'd also suggest that one of the three of you remove your vote from me, but Maestro's probably a wolf so I probably can't be rushed without another human vote.
And I'm in the chat if people want to talk.
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 18, 2013, 05:28:05 PMAnd I'm in the chat if people want to talk.
I'd like to talk all day, but I'm on a laptop right now (not too sure how it would be on chat...). :(
The chat works from laptops.
Sources: I'm using one right now.
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 18, 2013, 06:04:41 PMThe chat works from laptops.
Sources: I'm using one right now.
Specification: I am not sure whether chat would slow down or glitch on
this laptop. :P
Maestro because of reasons mentioned earlier (I think) and also because he's probably a wolf and also because if I get one more phantom, I get killed, and that's another human death that won't be too helpful this late in the game.
Quote from: Jub3r7 on January 18, 2013, 09:15:14 PMMaestro because of reasons mentioned earlier (I think) and also because he's probably a wolf and also because if I get one more phantom, I get killed, and that's another human death that won't be too helpful this late in the game.
(Captain obvious statements follow) It's important that we give all conscious efforts to vote... and make sure that the PM is sent and received. :P
Yeah, to be honest, although vermilionvermin has done many things subject to suspicion, I just can't see him doing such blatant things as a Wolf (he's done such things as a Human to me in one game, I can recall). MaestroUGC's sudden activity alongside BlackDragonSlayer's sudden support makes me suspect. So for the time being, I'm going to concur with the MaestroUGC lynch.
MaestroUGC
Well a wolf rush hasn't happened yet, which means either.
1. We took out a wolf
or
2.Either Maestro or Verm is a wolf.
or
3. Wolves are inactive
Quote from: Mashi on January 18, 2013, 10:06:39 PMMaestroUGC's sudden activity alongside BlackDragonSlayer's sudden support makes me suspect. So for the time being, I'm going to concur with the MaestroUGC lynch.
MaestroUGC
What do you mean by "sudden support"??
If you are referring to my vermilionvermin vote: look back at previous day phases; I have voted vermilionvermin for all, or nearly all (see, spitllama lynch, for most recent, or only?, non-verm vote) of those phases.
Quote from: SocialFox on January 18, 2013, 10:08:17 PMWell a wolf rush hasn't happened yet, which means either.
1. We took out a wolf
or
2.Either Maestro or Verm is a wolf.
The only rush I see is the "rush of votes" for Maestro. :P
If Maestro turns out to be red, then it is likely that he is a wolf (or just the wolves really pushing their luck... or invisible wolf seer? :P)... if he is green, then he's most likely a human.
BDS, I'm guessing that Mashi's referring to Maestro's sudden support for my lynch rather than your sudden support for my lynch.
Quote from: vermilionvermin on January 18, 2013, 10:39:51 PMBDS, I'm guessing that Mashi's referring to Maestro's sudden support for my lynch rather than your sudden support for my lynch.
If that's so, then the sentence was really worded in a confusing way. :S
7 and a half hours left in phase
I think that SocialFox is pretty suspicious right now, but I'm almost SURE either Maestro or Verm is a wolf......but which one?
*sigh* I think the Verminator is the most likely candidate right now, for all reasons stated by everyone else who voted for him.
2 and a half hours left in phase but I may extend it, dads birthday today. I'll try my best though!
I probably won't be here (again...) for most of the day.
I still don't know why anyone's voting for me. I guess it's safe to say that most of them are probably wolves, but still, I would have at least given you the credit to go after someone with a phantom rather than me. The accusations really boil down to either disagreeing with the Liggy lynch (which multiple of you expressed support for and even Liggy said was a logical lynch) or the baseless "he's acting like he did as a wolf before," which just isn't explained at all and I don't think is accurate.
Or you could vote for Maestro, who's actually done something suspicious in his inconsistent responses to the Liggy lynch. He said nothing while the lynch was happening, but suddenly didn't think the lynch was convincing (and that I was suspicious for thinking it so). I still defend that lynch as the strongest that's come up all game, but nobody's actually argued with me on that.
I completely forgot to vote earlier XD
Verm's right. He hasnt really done anything super suspicious that I've noticed, and I cant see any huge reason how he would be a wolf. I dont know if its because I always see Maestro as the "bad guy" (sorry :P), but I still think its safe to vote for Maestro
I can confirm that the phase will end in less than an hour.
Sorry for no vote counts, been a busy weekend.
By my count, it's 4.01 votes for Maestro and 4 for me.
Votes for Verm: Maestro (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5214.msg190500#msg190500), BDS (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5214.msg190508#msg190508), Socialfox (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5214.msg190814#msg190814), TZP (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5214.msg191191#msg191191)
Votes for Maestro: Verm (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5214.msg190588#msg190588), Jub (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5214.msg191132#msg191132), Mashi (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5214.msg191141#msg191141), Bubbles (http://www.ninsheetm.us/smf/index.php?topic=5214.msg191266#msg191266)
And I forgot to mention as part of my defense that it doesn't really make sense for me to be lynched. If all four wolves are alive, they'd vote for Jub. If they're not all alive, then one of my lynches was correct, and thus it's really doubtful that I'm a wolf. Thus, the best lynch today was probably for Jub regardless of what your suspicions are, but it's too late now to change that because the phase ends in like 10 minutes. It's all right though, I think this Maestro lynch is good.
TWG XLVI: Have it Your Way
01. Waddle Bro
02. Socialfox [Phantom x1]
03. Bird
04. Blueflower
05. BlackDragonSlayer [Phantom x1]
06. MaestroUGC [Phantom x1]
07. Vermilionvermin
08. Bubbles
09. Liggy
10. Shadowkirby [Phantom x1]
11. TheZeldaPianist
12. Spitllama
13. Jub [Phantom x3]
14. Mashi [Phantom x1]
15. Dude
16. K-Night
_________________________________________________________
Vote count
Socialfox- Vermilionvermin
BlackDragonSlayer- Vermilionvermin
MaestroUGC- Vermilionvermin
Vermilionvermin- Maestro
Bubbles- Maestro
TheZeldaPianist- Vermilionvermin
Shadowkirby-
Jub- Maestro
Mashi- Maestro
Total
Maestro- 4.01 (Vermilionvermin, Bubbles, Jub, Mashi, Phantom)
Vermilionvermin- 4 (Socialfox, Blackdragonslayer, Maestro, TheZeldaPianist)
Maestro was lynched!
_______________________________________________________
01. Waddle Bro
02. Socialfox [Phantom x1]
03. Bird
04. Blueflower
05. BlackDragonSlayer [Phantom x1]
06. MaestroUGC
07. Vermilionvermin
08. Bubbles
09. Liggy
10. Shadowkirby [Phantom x2]
11. TheZeldaPianist
12. Spitllama
13. Jub [Phantom x3]
14. Mashi [Phantom x1]
15. Dude
16. K-Night
End of Day 4. It is now Night 5, please send in your actions before Sunday 9pm (GMT+0)
Game's over!
Wolves Win!
Oh, how serendipitous.