Underworld Army (UA): (Wolves)
1. Lord of the Underworld- Hades (Master Wolf Converter) - SocialFox
2. God of Death- Thanatos (Wolf Guardian) - Bird
3. Goddess of Calamity- Pandora (Wolf Seer) - Jub3r7
Forces of Nature (FoN): (Independents)
4. Goddess of Nature- Viridi (Independent Seer) - davy
5. Arlon the Serene (Independent Seer) - gzgregory
6. Phosphora the Lightning Flash (Independent) - Zunawe
Palutena's Army (PA): (Humans)
7. Goddess of Light- Palutena (Guardian) - Vermilionvermin
8. Master Swordsman- Magnus (Morph/seer) - FSM-Reapr
9. Captain of the Guard- Pit (Role-Blocker) - Popping soap
10. Centurion (Human) - MaestroUGC
11. Centurion (Human) - the_last_sheikah
12. Centurion (Human) (w/o divinity) - BlackDragonSlayer
Night 1:
Wolfing Votes-
Thanatos- SocialFox
Hades- Jub3r7
Pandora- N/A
Jub3r7 was wolfed
Correction Votes-
Arlon- Vermilionvermin
Viridi- FSM
Phosphora- N/A
FSM was corrected, but was guarded by Thanatos
Role-block-
Pit- gzgregory
gzgregory was destroyed by light
Thanatos guarded FSM successfully
Pandora seered Bird unsuccessfully
Viridi seered Zunawe Purple
Phosphora seered Bird (not a FoN)
Arlon seered Maestro unsuccessfully
Palutena guarded Bubbles
Day 1:
Lynching-
FSM was lynched by an insta
Hades corrupted Bird unsuccessfully
FSM morphed into someone I can't remember
Night 2:
Wolfing Votes-
Thanatos- SocialFox
Hades- Bird
Bird was wolfed
Correction Votes-
Viridi- N/A
Phosphora- Verm
Vermilionvermin was corrected
Role-Block-
Pit- Zunawe
Zunawe was destroyed by light
Thanatos guarded Bird unsuccessfully
Viridi seered SocialFox Green
Phosphora seered MaestroUGC unsuccessfully
Palutena guarded Bubbles unsuccessfully
Day 2:
Lynching-
davy was lynched by an insta
Hades corrupted Bubbles successfully
All FoN killed
Night 3:
Wolfing Votes-
SocialFox- the_last_sheikah
the_last_sheikah was wolfed
Role-Block-
Pit- BlackDragonSlayer
Day 3:
SocialFox and Bubbles vs. MaestroUGC and BlackDragon Slayer
Wolves Win
1. MaestroUGC-- The point where we started to see you was during Night 2. As late as this was, you definitely did a nice job to keep the humans on track. Bubbles had a guide through you, your suspicions were spot on, and your conversation with Zunawe was incredibly helpful for the human team. You pushed for a lynch of davy in the chat log, and though it was bad to remove the last FoN, it was still impressive that you were able to figure out that davy was not human. Thanks for stepping up to the plate when everyone else was dying.
2. Zunawe—I liked how you separated yourself from your role right off the bat. Questions about the FoN's role in chats and in the thread were a good choice. However, as you already know, you can't let other players get to you. Bird is a tough player, but that doesn't mean you have to spill the beans. There's almost always an explanation that can get you out of a tight spot. While your activity in the thread left more to be desired, you were very prompt with PMs and your analysis with davy was really well done (even if it was a little inaccurate). You're getting better in TWG each time. Keep it up!
3. SocialFox-- Wolf MVP To be honest, I really didn't want to give this to you :P While you cranked out a victory, you also wolfed Jub, you wolfed Bird, and you even attempted to corrupt Bird. Your suspicions on humans were waaay off and how you managed to be sure that those 2 out of the other 9 players were humans, I don't really know.
On a happier note, though, you were one of the most active players of the game. While you didn't offer much in chats besides basic questions, you always kept those communication lines open-- which is invaluable for a wolf faking humanity. Sorry about the time zone mix-ups. Took me a while to get it right...
4. gzgregory-- Your death was really random. Sorry about how that turned out. I was actually pulling for the FoN, given that they were a new team and all. Thanks for your involvement, however short-lived it was!
5. Bubbles7689-- Pit! You were great in your PM convos. Discussions with Verm about suspicions, who you should use your powers on, talks with Maestro, etc. These were all great decisions and you were prompt in responses. I felt like you needed to be a bit more directing to the thread. While I saw you a lot in PMs, other players felt like you just were never there! When you have more info than anyone else, don't be afraid to make decisions! I was writing this throughout each of the phases, so bear with me—nice involvement in the last couple phases! You kept everyone on track and asked tons of questions. I liked how you really stepped up to the plate. The human team thanks you!
I probably wouldn't have taken out all the FoN if I was in your position, but I also realize that everyone around you was pretty set on removing them from the game. The FoN may have saved the humans in the end.
6. the_last_sheikah—Bit of a different playing style for you this game. I believe you said earlier in the game that you were confused. Your role was also a Centurion (not very exciting role, huh?). These two pieces paired together don't really encourage activity, but hey it's whatevah. Not every game can be a "Perfect Apples" game :P
7. FSM-Reapr-- Human MVP Guarded by a wolf of all players? :P Woooow. Your reasoning was kind of meh in attempting to get the FoN to claim to you. If there's one thing the FoN shouldn't do, it's tell Hades who they are. Were you actually receiving claims or was that a lie? Your lynch in Day 1 was kind of expected, as I'm sure you knew :P Verm and Bubbles were pretty sure you weren't actually Hades, but they couldn't stop the firestorm lynch that Bird encouraged. HOWEVER, the reason you've received MVP is because you gained so many claims for Bubbles to use. While they weren't always real claims ::) , you instantly thought over a plan and used it. It really pushed the game forward. When davy claimed Magnus, it helped Bubbles tremendously to see right through him. Had more players known about it, or had you claimed a different role than Hades, it might have worked better. Love your activity man! Every game you are spot on and devoted! Wish you could have morphed... I was excited.
8. Jub3r7-- I was really looking forward to you playing as a wolf this game :( Can't believe you got wolfed of all things. Thanks for playing regardless.
9. BlackDragonSlayer—Honorable Mention This was your first game? You did great! Seriously your activity was awesome for a game as confusing as this one. You'll think the next TWG is the easiest thing you've ever played :D Surprisingly, your suspicions were actually pretty accurate (starting in about Day 2).
10. vermilionvermin-- Kind of atypical Verm this game: In the thread you were kind of in 'n out. Seemed like posts were more to keep everyone on track rather than offer new insights/suspicions. However, in PMs you were great. Bubbles relied on your comments and inputs and used them till the end of the game. You guys got all the FoN! I probably would have left more alive, but it was an impressive feat to find them nevertheless.
11. Bird—Sorry for pissing you off on the first phase end. It was a wee bit long. During the game, you relied on FSM being a new and ignorant player. While his strategy wasn't exactly the best, he definitely wasn't the Hades you thought he was! Because of this, you were actually encouraging players to send claims to FSM :P Nice job encouraging the FSM lynch. However I'm not quite sure I understand- while you got a top human out, didn't you think he was Hades (by the PM you sent me)? Why waste him? Claiming Viridi definitely threw a stick in things. Zunawe was totally caught off guard, since davy found HIM through seering. I think he started to have his own doubts about who his partners were. Your role in the chat was dastardly, to say the least. Nice job squeezing out info. Your death was by wolfing, which was especially hilarious since you had guarded yourself.
12. davy-- FoN MVP Why oh why did you ask for the phase extension on the thread?!? That killed you (literally) man! Bird suspected you and wanted to wolf you, claiming that no player would ask that besides a special human. Concurrently, Verm was positive that meant you were a wolf. Either way, your death was guaranteed. Great activity, and nice job on the seering. If you could have survived for one more day, you could have got Hades-- I'm almost sure of it. :)
Sorry for the preemptive lynch :( It was a total brain-fart. If it makes you feel any better, though, Bubbles and Maestro had agreed in PM to lynch you. Bubbles meant to vote for you but didn't until I had already made the mistake.
The game—Well I think it had a lot of potential. Unfortunately, I was not able to come up with every possible outcome before starting the game. Questions were coming in constantly, which is good, but it also made me realize how much more info I should have made available on the first page. I feel like everyone enjoyed it, and it was a good step into more complicated games. Any objections?
The host—I was 'meh.' Could have been better. While phase ends were on time, there was a lot of griping about extensions and time zones, etc. I should have just left everything how it was at the start and not even asked about reductions/extensions. It ended up being a successful game, but I could have done more in making it smoother.
FSM's lynching was really difficult. I think that his plan was good. The only problem was that he claimed Hades, and the fact that he claimed Hades meant there was an urgency in lynching him before he could post--hence why he was unable to defend himself. In hindsight, I should have tried to convince Bubbles to save you, but there wasn't really much I could do without revealing myself to be a special.
I'm curious as to why I was corrected Night 2. I told Maestro to claim Arlon to Zunawe in order to influence the correcting toward one of the people I thought was suspicious (Socialfox and Sheikah were the two I suggested). Somehow this got shifted to me. I'm not sure if Maestro thought I was suspicious, which I probably was for trying to influence the correction, or if that was Zunawe's own choice.
Oh well. It was fun.
Maestro, I hadn't realized that you were looking for Hades until after I had basically given it away. That was unfortunate, but I wanted to be sure of what I was saying. We were extremely lucky in night one, because davy seer'd me probably for the same reason Bird suspected me. After I was found out I just started spouting out random stuff to see if I could find out anything to pass on to davy before I died. I'm not sure how much it helped.
@Verm davy had suggested I vote for you before I went into the chat, and you seemed suspicious enough in the thread, so that's what I did. By the time I had figured out that you were probably human, it was too late to change my vote. Sorry about that.
8)
Wolves were hilarious. Every night phase they voted for their partners. SocialFox, you somehow managed to bring your team the win even after wolfing your partners every time you got the chance.
Yep, should've went with my gut. Alright, Fox, now I know you better, so let's try this again...
Verm, I told Bird and Gzgregory to correct(=nullify) you Night 1(assuming you were Pandora) so I could morph you. Maybe they thought that you were a FoN or something.
I KNEW IT! SocialFox was Hades!
And I had that suspicion that davy was a FoN (but not Viridi) when Maestro gave me the idea that Bird wasn't...
FSM was Magnus. :o
Bubbles was corrupted and tried to role-block me... :P
Quote from: spitllama on October 04, 2012, 08:59:53 PMWolves were hilarious. Every night phase they voted for their partners. SocialFox, you somehow managed to bring your team the win even after wolfing your partners every time you got the chance.
Teehee.
Quote from: MaestroUGC on October 04, 2012, 09:07:04 PMYep, should've went with my gut. Alright, Fox, now I know you better, so let's try this again...
I should have told you my suspicion earlier, when we were in chat... I didn't exactly trust you either at the time... :P
My uneasy feeling about SocialFox was asserted when he suggested the KitB suituation... as if he wanted a layer of chaos that he could take advantage of...
Not my best game, though that's what I get for putting forth effort too late into the game. That, combined with the fact that certains details of information weren't presented until they were asked about, and the fact that I didn't pay too close attention when the game started, and the fact that I didn't read closely enough to realize that there could be triple deaths in a single night.
Hmm, should've studied for this one.
It was almost Impossible for me to lose guys.
I was about to claim in the thread but I decided not to.
I really loved the activity in this game. Thanks guys.
Only reason I didn't end the phase after Day 2 was if SocialFox decided to wolf Bubbles, he wouldn't have had even numbers with humans. I was 99% sure he wouldn't do that, but I had to let it go regardless.
@davy, you got the reading on SocialFox, and the whole time I was thinking "man if he can survive this next day, he'll probably capture Hades." Unfortunately it was not to be.
Quote from: MaestroUGC on October 04, 2012, 09:07:04 PMYep, should've went with my gut. Alright, Fox, now I know you better, so let's try this again...
We should be wolf partners sometime.
Quote from: SocialFox on October 04, 2012, 09:47:30 PMIt was almost Impossible for me to lose guys.
I was about to claim in the thread but I decided not to.
Brilliant tactic. You gave almost no suspicion that you were a wolf; if I didn't have that little sixth sense, I wouldn't gave been able to detect you. If only it had been earlier...
One thing I found funny, though, was when Maestro said on chat "...thinning out the herd..." Unfortunately, that made me more uneasy. :P
Sheikah was my second suspect; I didn't know he was a fellow Centurion! :P
Don't worry, you'll get used to my prose eventually, I use a lot of turns of phrases when speaking.
To make a more substantive post, I think I did okay this game. My single mistake was not figuring out that SocialFox was a wolf, a mistake everyone else alive made while they were alive anyway. And I wasn't suspected at all while alive, and had the bit of cleverness regarding Zunawe.
Everyone else did fine too. Except FSM. I don't know what he was thinking!
Quote from: Bird on October 04, 2012, 10:52:16 PMTo make a more substantive post, I think I did okay this game. My single mistake was not figuring out that SocialFox was a wolf, a mistake everyone else alive made while they were alive anyway. And I wasn't suspected at all while alive, and had the bit of cleverness regarding Zunawe.
Everyone else did fine too. Except FSM. I don't know what he was thinking!
I suspected SocialFox... :P
You did a pretty good job with the Viridi claim; it came at the perfect time to make us (me :P) believe you. I'm just surprised that davy didn't counter the claim...
FSM's plan could have worked out well... but it was too soon, and SocialFox seemed to use him to his own advantage very well...
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on October 04, 2012, 11:20:14 PMand SocialFox seemed to use him to his own advantage very well...
Wait what.
I was trying to pull a Jub. ;)
And I was the reason why Jub was wolfed. Sorry pal.
But I didn't count that my "teammates" would betray me. :(
Wow, I was not very active this game, stupid homework. Still, interesting game.
Fun fact: I was the only actual human in this game.
All rest of you were all sorts of cupids, angels, monsters, serenes, gods, goddesses and lightning speed something...
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on October 04, 2012, 11:20:14 PMYou did a pretty good job with the Viridi claim; it came at the perfect time to make us (me :P) believe you. I'm just surprised that davy didn't counter the claim...
I knew one of the FoN was allready dead and Zunawe and I knew from eachother that we were FoN. That and Zunawe allready seer'd bird, which told him that bird wasn't a wolf.
There was nothing to gain for me if I counterclaimed.
I do however wonder why social didn't counterclaim FSM, if all his partners claimed to FSM, he would have to do the entire game on his own (he did that anyway, but I think I at least would prefer playing a game in a team than on my own).
I was currupted? D: I thought we were told that. And BDS you were confusing me the whole game because I didnt know youre playing style :P At the end I actually thought Maestro was a wolf, but thats probably just because he always seems wolfy to me. Bird, kudos to you, I had absolutly no suspicion of you and honestly thought you were a FoN
Quote from: Bubbles7689 on October 05, 2012, 01:20:38 PMI was currupted? D: I thought we were told that. And BDS you were confusing me the whole game because I didnt know youre playing style :P At the end I actually thought Maestro was a wolf, but thats probably just because he always seems wolfy to me. Bird, kudos to you, I had absolutly no suspicion of you and honestly thought you were a FoN
1: Did you think I was... like... Thanatos or something? :P
2: I didn't know my playing style either. :P Sherlock Holmes detective-like? ???
3: For me, it was a close call between Maestro and Sheikah as the second wolf... but there ended up being only one wolf left...
4: Yeah, Bird had us fooled. :P
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on October 05, 2012, 01:37:41 PM1: Did you think I was... like... Thanatos or something? :P
I had no idea what you were, it was just a hunch (I really need to stop trusting my hunches -.-)
Once we determined that FSM was really Magnus, something I hadn't concluded but really should have, Socialfox should have been nearly confirmed as a wolf based on the Jub wolfing night 1
If you guys hadn't killed off all the FoN with such gusto, they might have saved Bubbles from the corruption!
Currently finishing player analyses
Quote from: vermilionvermin on October 05, 2012, 01:56:49 PMOnce we determined that FSM was really Magnus, something I hadn't concluded but really should have, Socialfox should have been nearly confirmed as a wolf based on the Jub wolfing night 1
I thought that FSM was Thanatos, acting as decoy for Hades...
What Bubbles said, that FSM was Magnus, really shook things up.
I'm a bit surprised everybody ganged up on poor Davy on the "final day." And SocialFox asked why I suspected him, when I was the only other player to not vote Davy. :o
Quote from: spitllama on October 05, 2012, 02:09:04 PMIf you guys hadn't killed off all the FoN with such gusto, they might have saved Bubbles from the corruption!
You're right about that... :P The triple deaths on the first night didn't really shock me, but on the second night, it did; I would have thought it would slow down a bit...
Currently reading through the chat logs again to catch some missing pieces. Sorry for the delay.
It's okay. :)
At least it's going to be done, unlike somebody's...
You know who I mean.
I don't
Quote from: spitllama on October 05, 2012, 11:46:30 PMCurrently reading through the chat logs again to catch some missing pieces. Sorry for the delay.
Always better to be thorough.
It's fun talking with the others players after the game! ;D They can reveal their suspicions and actions, you can see where you messed up, you can see who was who, etc. :P
Analyses are up
Who gets the human/overall MVP?
You received Human MVP and I added some extra details on your analysis about it.
I don't think I've ever done Overall MVP. Hmmm yah I'll skip it.
Yaay for MVP
SocialFox claimed Thanatos
Bird claimed Viridi
Gzgregory was the only one who fell for my trap. XD Claimed Arlon.
Verm claimed Pandora.
I told Verm and Foxy to wolf Jub. 8)
Bubbles didn't believe me :( , but I understand.
I told Bubz all the claims I received, and told her to kill Bird, but she tested me and killed Greg.
Also the email thing, it was a cake. That was a lie.
Quote from: spitllama on October 04, 2012, 08:27:46 PM11. Bird—Sorry for pissing you off on the first phase end. It was a wee bit long. During the game, you relied on FSM being a new and ignorant player. While his strategy wasn't exactly the best, he definitely wasn't the Hades you thought he was! Because of this, you were actually encouraging players to send claims to FSM :P Nice job encouraging the FSM lynch. However I'm not quite sure I understand- while you got a top human out, didn't you think he was Hades (by the PM you sent me)? Why waste him? Claiming Viridi definitely threw a stick in things. Zunawe was totally caught off guard, since davy found HIM through seering. I think he started to have his own doubts about who his partners were. Your role in the chat was dastardly, to say the least. Nice job squeezing out info. Your death was by wolfing, which was especially hilarious since you had guarded yourself.
I figured that if FSM was actually a human, somebody would have mentioned something before he was insta'd. But nobody did, so I never had any reason to doubt him. (You know, if any of the alliance members had mentioned that he may not have been Hades, I probably would have expected SocialFox to be a wolf as well. He'd seemed strangely convinced that FSM was false claiming--which would make sense if he had been false claiming SF's role.) So when I launched the vote against him, I did think he was actually a wolf, but if I was going to look human there was no other course of action for me to follow.
And don't worry too much about the phase extension stuff. I'm just an impatient guy! You did a good job hosting.
Quote from: spitllama on October 04, 2012, 08:27:46 PM9. BlackDragonSlayer—Honorable Mention This was your first game? You did great! Seriously your activity was awesome for a game as confusing as this one. You'll think the next TWG is the easiest thing you've ever played :D Surprisingly, your suspicions were actually pretty accurate (starting in about Day 2).
Golly! :O
The players were very crafty; it was hard to try and 'shift the puzzle pieces' into their proper places.
"Get busy livin', or get busy dyin'." is basically what my analysis said.
YAY SECOND WOLF MVP IN A ROW.
Also everyone has to Edit their things on the Wiki GOGOGO.
Just a reminder Foxy:
You were a human in your last game. -.-
But you gave me Wolf MVP.
As a joke. >.>
Quote from: FSM-Reapr on October 06, 2012, 11:46:17 PMJust a reminder Foxy:
You were a human in your last game. -.-
...SocialFox is so good, he can get Wolf MVP while on the human team? :P
Should'nt this be unstickied by now.
socialfox for twc
Okay time to tell what my strategy was.
I claimed Hades, so the other two wolves would claim to me(and possibly the real Hades to counterclaim). I didn't want to claim Thannypoo or Pandora because the real ones wouldn't have claimed to me(and they didn't even with this plan). Then I figured I could blackmail FoN by knowing their identities. I knew Pit would claim(ilu Bubbles), so I shared all of my information with her. This was actually a good plan, but of course I was so naive that I thought people would be honest. That was my huge mistake.
Quote from: FSM-Reapr on October 21, 2012, 02:40:12 AMOkay time to tell what my strategy was.
I claimed Hades, so the other two wolves would claim to me(and possibly the real Hades to counterclaim). I didn't want to claim Thannypoo or Pandora because the real ones wouldn't have claimed to me(and they didn't even with this plan). Then I figured I could blackmail FoN by knowing their identities. I knew Pit would claim(ilu Bubbles), so I shared all of my information with her. This was actually a good plan, but of course I was so naive that I thought people would be honest. That was my huge mistake.
...it might have been a better idea if you waited for someone else to claim, then counterclaim...
Or, then again, it might not have...