Submission Information:
Series: Super Mario
Game: Super Mario Sunshine
Console: Nintendo GameCube
Title: Sludge Plant Battle
Instrumentation Solo Piano
Arranger: Fantastic Ike (https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3403)
Replacement Information:
Links to Existing Sheet: MUS (https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/download/mus/470) | MIDI (https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/download/mid/470) | PDF (https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/download/pdf/470)
Replacement Type: Challenge (new arranger)
In my replacement era 8)
Nice funky bassline but oof that original sheet had some...
interesting grouping and beaming choices. I tried doing some research and I believe the track should be called "Paint Battle" but it's up for interpretation.
Yeah, the on-site sheet is rough--thanks for doing this one, Sunshine music rules. Per the 35th anniversary release of the soundtrack, I believe this one is called "Proto Piranha".
QuotePer the 35th anniversary release of the soundtrack, I believe this one is called "Proto Piranha".
Hmm, okay. Finding the official names of any Mario track is a bit sketchy so I wasn't sure. We'll see what the updaters have to say :)
- Thoughts on including that high-up pitched perc instrument? The one that alternates between two notes
- m7 beat 3.5 RH should be an octave higher
- m13 RH sounds like only a half note
- m12 beat 4.75 RH should be written with flats rather than sharps, to lead into m13
- Listening to said perc instrument, this sheet has currently only written half the original. It kinda loops but not entirely (the perc and the RH in m14 are different) once before actually looping back to m2.
QuoteThoughts on including that high-up pitched perc instrument? The one that alternates between two notes
Kinda sounds too goofy on piano...even for a Mario track lol. I'll include if I must, but I don't like the sound when translated
QuoteListening to said perc instrument, this sheet has currently only written half the original. It kinda loops but not entirely (the perc and the RH in m14 are different) once before actually looping back to m2.
I feel like doubling this sheet would be a futile exercise. My bad for not catching the loop proper. Do you think a second ending would work better than just writing everything down again?
Quote from: Fantastic Ike on April 24, 2024, 06:58:08 AMKinda sounds too goofy on piano...even for a Mario track lol. I'll include if I must, but I don't like the sound when translated
Hmm, I guess without works too
Quote from: Fantastic Ike on April 24, 2024, 06:58:08 AMDo you think a second ending would work better than just writing everything down again?
Yeah, I think a second ending (and a D.S.) should work. As long as it follows the original it should be good :)
Updated with all the changes. Also went back, listened to some note lengths and changed that too.
Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on April 15, 2024, 02:15:51 PMYeah, the on-site sheet is rough--thanks for doing this one, Sunshine music rules. Per the 35th anniversary release of the soundtrack, I believe this one is called "Proto Piranha".
Quote from: Fantastic Ike on April 16, 2024, 06:57:40 AMHmm, okay. Finding the official names of any Mario track is a bit sketchy so I wasn't sure. We'll see what the updaters have to say :)
I booted up Super Mario 3D All-Stars (RIP Mario) and "Proto Piranha" is indeed correct. Unless there are any other earlier official sources that conflict, we should use that title.
But... the music player does an interesting thing. The track before this in the player is "Mid-Boss (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAT-5n9K9cE)" (with a hyphen) which sounds the same aside from the intro. When I play the track listed as "Proto Piranha" in the music player, it plays the version you arranged, but fades out after 15 seconds or so, presumably because the rest is the same as the previous track.
So, thoughts about combining both into one sheet - just writing out and labeling both intros at the beginning and calling the sheet something like "Mid-Boss & Proto Piranha" or "Mid-Boss / Proto Piranha"?
FWIW, the track after, "Phantamanta", is largely the same structurally but does have some differences in instrumentation, so it plays the entire track.
According to this post at VGMdb (https://vgmdb.net/forums/showthread.php?t=22363), the name in the Super Mario 3D All-Stars sound test is "Proto Piranha". I wasn't able to find a screenshot or video to confirm, so maybe someone who has the game could check. ninja'd
The most common title you see floating around the internet is "Vs. Polluted Piranha Plant" which was from the most complete rip of the game, done over 10 years ago. That's what you see in many YT uploads etc.
Aside from a couple of tracks on some compilation albums, Super Mario Sunshine didn't get an 'official' soundtrack release until the Super Mario 3D All-Stars sound test.
Quote from: Latios212 on May 08, 2024, 06:05:06 PMsomething like [...] "Mid-Boss / Proto Piranha"?
This seems like a good idea, it's apparently what the Japanese tracklist does as seen here (https://www.mariowiki.com/Super_Mario_Sunshine_Original_Soundtrack) on the Mario Wiki.
Not that my opinion matters hugely, but couldn't you do two completely separate sheets with the full piece arranged and just the first couple measures being different? If not that, I think a single sheet with two intros labeled probably makes the most sense.
Hey, just got back. How would I go about doing this on one sheet? At least in terms of spelling out different intros for different songs? I suppose I don't mind doing it on one, but no clue how. Maybe Discord DMs would help.
Sorry for the wait - writing a help guide for how to do custom section splitting like in fanfare collection sheets has been on the backburner for a while now.
The main tool I'm aware of to help with things like this is this one:
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Ignoring any symbols it offers you to create, it'll create a break in the system like this:
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From there, you can use the Page Layout Tool to change the width of the first/section sections of the system, and add performance markings accordingly to label the intros. You'll also need to adjust the measure numbering. You can also set up custom (hidden) repeat markings to make playback play only the first intro before jumping to the loop, and then jump to the second intro after the loop finishes.
For this sheet, I imagine you can fit both intros on the first system so this should be sufficient to achieve that. Feel free to ask for help or further clarification on how to make any of this work!
Okay, think I got it to a good place with repeats and intros and such. Updated, let me know how this is.
To be honest, I don't think it's immediately clear for a performer what to do with the intros at the moment. See the attachment for my suggestion (ignore the spacing): I think it's clearer if the main sheet starts on a new system, and the intros are labeled with where to jump to. Perhaps using measure numbers rather than a Segno marking is best, since I've never seen those used to jump forwards rather than backwards in a sheet
- m4: IMO, beat 3.25 would be clearer to read as a not-staccato 16th note
- m6 beats 1.5 and 3.5 RH sound staccato
- m7: The staccato in the RH should sit below the noteheads
- m8-9 RH sounds more fitting to me an octave higher, the organ starts higher than in m7
Also, if you have the audio to the new intro that would be great :)
Hmm let's try this for now. Also here's the alternate intro, from earlier in the thread:
Updated.
Quote from: XiaoMigros on June 17, 2024, 12:41:46 PMPerhaps using measure numbers rather than a Segno marking is best, since I've never seen those used to jump forwards rather than backwards in a sheet
Yeah, I think the D.S. would be confusing to read as such. I think "To measure 3" or something would suffice, or including a performance note as a text box in order to explain the structure.
"Sludgy Groove" works as a tempo indicator but the way the intro names are laid out, it reads as the name of the looping part so I would suggest removing it or finding some other way to work it in.
The first intro is missing a tempo marking. Also, make sure the 1./2. in the endings are shifted left a bit to be roughly above the beat 1 noteheads.
(Thanks for reformatting this one and sorry about the delay! I've had a lot going on lately and have been slow to reply on subs)
No worries. These changes all sound reasonable, updated.
Not usually the type to bump my own stuff for arrangers, but I don't think there was much left to go over with this sheet, except for the new intros that I already added. I didn't expect this being as big a replacement as it was (nobody's fault, of course!) and was hoping to just rip the Band-Aid off with this one.
Sorry about the wait!
- 'Go To Measure 2' is good, but I think 'To Measure 2' would be better, to match common directions such as 'To Coda'
- The stem of RH m7 beat 3.5 should face downwards
- Your tempo markings should be updated to match our new formatting guidelines (noteheads: MaestroTimes, 16pt, symbol Œ; numbers and equals: Times New Roman regular, 12pt, Text and parentheses: Times New Roman bold, 14pt)
QuoteYour tempo markings should be updated to match our new formatting guidelines (noteheads: MaestroTimes, 16pt, symbol Œ; numbers and equals: Times New Roman regular, 12pt, Text and parentheses: Times New Roman bold, 14pt)
No idea why this happened: I've been using the most up-to-date template. It's all fixed now.
If you're copying/importing them from somewhere, it might have reset? At least, adding them fresh hasn't caused any issues for me personally yet.
I will approve but just realised that the second intro will need its own time signature and opening dynamic. Everything else looks great!
Oh RIP, I updated this but never posted. Oh well, next submission cycle works.
Let's get this one finished at last...
- Last bass note in m. 5 should be C instead of Eb. Conversely, the last bass note in m. 9 should be a low G!
- Last bass note in m. 11/13 should be F
- This is a bit nitpicky, but it doesn't look like the staccato in m. 7 RH is in the right place. To make sure it's automatically corrected here (and in other places), make sure to use Special Tools > Stem Direction Tool to prevent the chord from being pointed up or down, then reset the articulation position by deleting and re-entering it or pressing backspace while it's highlighted.
- I think the "To Measure 2" in the first intro should probably be lower, it's a bit weird floating above the tempo marking. Maybe you could raise both tempo markings a bit and lower both "To Measure 2" markings a bit to keep them at consistent heights.
All pretty easy fixes. Updated!
Awesome, thanks for the quick response! Just the last thing I wanted to clarify is that in my above comment I meant that I think it would be better for the "To Measure 2" instruction at the end of the first intro to be below the tempo marking, at a height similar to that of the one in the second intro.
Right, now I get you. Updated!
Awesome! Then let's finally call this one accepted!
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This submission has been accepted by Latios212 (https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4344).
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