Congratulations Wolves!
Thanks for playing, everyone. I had a lot of fun.
Part 1: Role Reveal
Wolves
1. Master Wolf - threalmathguy
2. Wolf - SpecsFlyer17
3. Wolf - The Musical Poet
Humans
4. Seer - BlackDragonSlayer
5. Human - A# Minor
6. Human - Robbie89/Toby
7. Human - XiaoMigros
8. Human - davy
9. Human - ThatHiddenCharacter
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10. The Strange Man - Oricorio
Part 2: Action Recap
Night 1
A# Minor is wolfed.
BDS seers XiaoMigros green.
Oricorio guesses BDS, A#, and Math as the lantern holders.
The real lantern holders (Robbie/Toby, Math, and Davy) seer Robbie/Toby green.
Day 1
Oricorio is lynched.
Night 2
BDS is wolfed.
BDS tries to seer Davy (but is wolfed).
The lantern holders (Robbie/Toby, BDS, and Xiao) seer BDS blue (but he is wolfed).
Day 2
THC is lynched, resulting in a wolf victory.
Part 3: Phase-by-phase BreakdownNight 1: Oricorio comes out swinging, making reads on everyone's posts, and everyone is taken off-guard by his interrogative approach. He and BDS argue about the merits of this as the players roll in. BDS requests a Xiao seering ten minutes into the phase. Meanwhile the lantern holders discuss their options, with Math filtering the discussion back to his wolf partners. The wolves waffle between THC and A# but eventually land on the latter.
Day 1: Davy reveals Robbie's color (green) and tries to disguise the fact that Robbie had not yet clocked in, but a peculiar amount of suspicion falls on him for the way in which he does this. Toby tags in for Robbie, and the lynch candidates become Oricorio and Specs. The wolves push the lynch away from Specs, and Oricorio takes the fall.
Night 2: The first really entertaining phase. The lanterns go to all humans, and BDS is the seering target, which could have proved to be the humans' saving grace. The wolves go back and forth between BDS and Davy but settle on BDS. Meanwhile, Davy cooks up a scheme to get the seer to claim safely by using Specs (a wolf) as bait. Specs confers with his partners and ultimately agrees to the scheme, anchoring the fakeclaim on Toby and alarming BDS.
Hilariously, Toby gets this PM from Specs
Quote from: SpecsFlyer17 on October 24, 2023, 05:59:14 PMToby, my claim was fake. This is actually a coordinated effort with davy, by davy, to protect the D2 lynch, (as I received a lot of the votes yesterday). If the wolves go after me N2, that frees up D2s lynch, as I won't be in the pool. To some degree, if I'm dead as you're reading this, that's a good thing. I'll be out of the picture and D2 can be a focus to find a wolf. Furthermore, if the wolves avoid me, this can pull out the real seer.
I'll PM more if I survive, but davy also knows about this plan.
And this PM from BDS exactly 20 seconds later.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on October 24, 2023, 05:59:34 PMYou're probably going to get lantern seering results on me anyway (I deliberately voted for myself; I was planning on claiming during D2 anyway and figured it would be good to have a way to confirm myself—I already seered Xiao), but I'm sending this PM to you just in case I die and am not lantern seered.
Specs is lying through his teeth. I'm the seer. N1 I seered Xiao green. I was planning to seer Davy, but switched to Specs just in case Davy was the Master Wolf, but I've already switched my seering back to Davy. Specs is confirmed wolf IMO.
BDS goes out with a bang by saying "the true seer would have waited till the last minute to claim" and posting at 8:00:00. The seer is down at the expense of two humans knowing his identity.
Day 2: Davy, Specs, and Toby work the fake seer claim for all it's worth, but Toby is suspicious of Specs' reactions and starts turning up the heat on him on the side. However, THC, suspicious of Davy, goes rogue, claims seer with a red result on Davy, and is believed by no one, since he anchored his plan by telling the Master Wolf about it (Math), claimed a red reading on a green player (Davy) and the other two remaining human players (Toby and Xiao) had just found the true seer with the lanterns. The game is forced into a human v. human frame in LyLo, and the rookie wolves sit back and let the more senior players tear each other apart. Game.
Part 4: Player AnalysisMath: You were stone-cold in your responses to everything for the first half of the game, and while I agree with the consensus that you kinda disappeared for the back half of the game, I think that was probably ideal given the situation, and being suspicious for getting caught dead to rights in wolf play will always beat being suspicious for being inactive. So I really think you played very well this game, doing exactly what you needed to to nudge the game toward a wolf-friendly frame.
Specs: You played your part in Davy's seer-claim plan, and that worked in your favor to ingratiate you with a quasi-human alliance. However, I think that many of your posts were reiterative of things that had already been said (in one case, repeating a BDS joke verbatim). I'm aware that irl things distracted you, but I think suspicion was right to fall on you for some responses that were less than genuine, and I think that you would have been on the chopping block if not for the seer-claiming roller coaster.
Poet: I was actually pleased with your level of activity this game, it was just that the lion's share of that activity was in PMs with Math and Specs rather than in the thread. I think you would have been an easy lynch for this reason if the game had progressed. However, you deserve commendation for your overall presence of mind this game. Compared to Assassin's Gambit, where you frequently vocalized how much you felt in over your head, your posts and especially your behind-the-scenes communication showed clear thoughtfulness and an agenda. Most improved hands down!
BDS: I think you played your part about as well as you could have been expected to. I'm not sure Xiao would have been my N1 seering choice, but I don't know that there was a bad choice per se. You were a very popular man N2 and the events around you put the game into its final framework.
A#: Killed N1. New Manti. You heard it here first.
Toby: I was very pleased that you volunteered to play, and your addition gave the game a kind of analytical activity that it sorely needed. Your spidey-senses have proved the last few games to be extremely trustworthy, which is something everyone should make note of in future games. Your reads and strategies normally would have set the humans up for a victory against inexperienced wolves, and I can ask for no more from a player who came in 40% of the way through the game.
Xiao: You have improved quite a bit since Nothing Special 2, and I really think the only thing needed to sharpen your gameplay is to be aware of when a move is ludicrously suspicious. The fact that you were even a little friendly toward THC's verifiably false seer claim made you seem like a wolf beyond any reasonable doubt, and even if THC could have talked Davy and Toby into accepting what had actually happened, you likely would have been lynched in his stead. That's a shame, because I think the rest of the game you played very well; it did not escape my notice that you were really the only one vocally reminding people not to forget about Math. Basically you played great until you didn't!
Davy: I think the unfortunate reality for you is that you are a formidable enough player that people will suspect you for basically anything–any stick is good enough to hit Davy with. Nothing you said this game would have struck me as suspicious were I playing alongside you, the vast majority of your points were rigorously logical, and the seer claim plan with Specs was very thoughtful. The absolute worst thing I can say was that you probably trusted Specs a bit too readily after it, but that's understandable given the final day events.
THC: Look, I don't want to beat the dead horse of the seer claim here. However, I would be remiss if I didn't mention this: after your argument with Davy had come to a standstill, you voted for yourself, as a human, knowing that the game was very likely in LyLo. At first I thought you were trying to make amends by baiting a wolf rush and hoping that your trigger finger was fast enough to unvote before the insta, since I saw that you had stayed online. But apparently that wasn't the case. That's extremely disheartening to watch happen as a host, and I would imagine extremely frustrating for your teammates. The seer claim at least had the intention of winning the game, but voting for yourself in this context is very directly an attempt to throw the game for your entire team, and I would ask you to not do that again in a game that I host.
Oricorio: I am quite sad you were the D1 lynch–not just because the game's more interesting with the 3rd party in it, but because I knew you would have a lot to add the more happened. I think people interpreted your extreme volume of N1 posts as trying to divine roles from throwaway posts like papal encyclicals, rather than a sincere attempt to drum up early conversation. It's tough for me to say how much this worked in your favor as the Strange Man though, who naturally wants to stay under the radar. BDS nailed you as the Strange Man immediately, and Davy thought it was so obvious you were the Strange Man that you had to be a wolf. So perhaps an unfortunate lack of synchronicity between play style and role. Nevertheless, I appreciated what you had to say while it lasted.
Wolf MVP threalmathguy
Human MVPdavy
Honorable MentionsOricorio
Toby
I KNEW SPECS WAS A WOLF!!
*cough*
anyways inb4 everyone else
I knew it. At the end I was starting to think Specs was a wolf.
THC, my dude
why
You just hard threw the game for 0 reason
Quote from: A# Minor on October 26, 2023, 04:45:41 PManyways inb4 everyone else
I literally typed mine before this grrrrr
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on October 26, 2023, 04:45:56 PMTHC, my dude
why
You just hard threw the game for 0 reason
I explained my reasoning. I felt it was our best shot. I had no idea the real seer was known.
Good to know my intuition about Oricorio vs. Specs was correct, at least. If we had lynched Specs day 1 we would've ended up a lot better off, but alas.
Quote from: ThatHiddenCharacter on October 26, 2023, 04:46:22 PMI literally typed mine before this grrrrr
you've met with a terrible fate, haven't you? XD
BDS saw through my BS very well. He was on to me.
i did keep asking why everyone kept clearing math
Quote from: ThatHiddenCharacter on October 26, 2023, 04:46:55 PMI explained my reasoning. I felt it was our best shot. I had no idea the real seer was known.
That play had 0% benefit as a human. No matter whether or not Specs was the real seer, you just put a giant target on yourself and made yourself an easy lynch. The only situation where that play had
some foreseeable benefit was if you assumed A# was the seer, but in that case you'd
still end up in the crosshairs. Saying that Davy was red completely sealed your fate too.
If you hadn't done that, the lynch likely would've likely been between Davy and Specs (more likely Specs, considering how many people thought he was suspicious anyway) D2.
Quote from: SpecsFlyer17 on October 26, 2023, 04:47:55 PMBDS saw through my BS very well. He was on to me.
After last game I feel like I caught on quickly to your wolf behaviors :P You did a very good job at casting doubt on who your partners were, I will say.
Quote from: XiaoMigros on October 26, 2023, 04:48:01 PMi did keep asking why everyone kept clearing math
Math's early game was strong, but I feel like he faltered the longer the game went on. His reasoning for voting for Oricorio over Specs was flimsy (especially after he said he saw Oricorio's claim and deliberately didn't change his vote) and some of his D2 behaviors were especially strange.
Yeah I thought it was odd math was suddenly more active and engaged than his previous games. I also wanted to lynch specs day 1 so I wasn't far off track this game lol
My last suspicion list I just put Davy and specs as human because I wanted to see who would agree and see if a wolf might try take one out as a wolfing
THC you literally ruined the game lol, like low key ban-able offence?
How is fake claiming seer with a fake red result any benefit to town at all
THC claiming wasn't inherently bad, but I think the choice of davy created unnecessary chaos and suspicion. Any green seer claim probably could've been played off as "I counter claimed to protect the real seer".
Add that to BDS being uncovered as the real seer, and THCs fake red seering had sus all over it.
im just happy i got 2/3 lol and the 3 was inactive anyways
really regret not being able to switch my vote to specs d1 aaaaa
THC fake claiming was bad full stop. In an mis lynch or lose situation if our seer claims we need them to come forward encountered and be able to trust them and their result. Thats why wolves fake claim to disrupt the real claim so town don't know who to trust.
THC played as a wolf disrupting the towns focus, providing a fake RED result, and it would only have been worse if the real seer had still been alive and unable to be verified.
I'm proud of my ploy to make sure people knew I was the seer in case I died lol
When I got the notification of who the lantern holders were, I was like "shit, this situation is useless" since I had already seered Xiao (and Toby had already been seered), but over the course of the phase I realized how I could twist it to my advantage. I was already planning to make my final post as close to the hour as possible, but Specs claiming made it even more deliciously ironic:
1. I called Specs out for not making his claim closer to the end of the phase and somehow managed to post on the dot of the hour.
2. I said I thought Davy could be the master wolf, but then followed that up by saying that if Davy and Xiao were wolves together then Xiao was totally the master wolf wink wink (though I feel that may have been a bit too subtle of a way of revealing my N1 seering results).
In hindsight I probably should've just said I was the seer directly (or at least send Xiao a PM saying "hey I sent Toby an important PM, make sure he posts it or else"), but I was hoping I could trip someone else up and get a wolf (whether it be Xiao, or, if Specs had been the Strange Man, an actual wolf) to accidentally reveal themselves.
welp
looks like poet gets the "luigi wins by doing nothing award"
again
I'm honest surprised I generated so much suspicion N1 and D1. My opener wasn't intended to be weird or anything... but noted for next game.
gTh tOwN
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on October 26, 2023, 05:03:44 PMbut I was hoping I could trip someone else up and get a wolf (whether it be Xiao, or, if Specs had been the Strange Man, an actual wolf) to accidentally reveal themselves.
Well, it almost worked. Just instead of a wolf, you caught a human.
Quote from: SpecsFlyer17 on October 26, 2023, 05:09:30 PMWell, it almost worked. Just instead of a wolf, you caught a human.
pain :'(
Quote from: SpecsFlyer17 on October 26, 2023, 05:04:47 PMI'm honest surprised I generated so much suspicion N1 and D1. My opener wasn't intended to be weird or anything... but noted for next game.
gTh tOwN
I didn't find your opener suspicious but it was posts following that
I thought it was odd you were avoiding some points/questions directed to you
Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on October 26, 2023, 04:43:53 PMOricorio guesses BDS, A#, and Math as the lantern holders.
lol what
Quote from: Toby on October 26, 2023, 04:55:21 PMTHC you literally ruined the game lol, like low key ban-able offence?
That's a little harsh... I wasn't trying to lose the game. I sincerely thought it was the best play at the time. Once I had done it, I couldn't exactly go back.
Quote from: ThatHiddenCharacter on October 26, 2023, 05:12:38 PMThat's a little harsh... I wasn't trying to lose the game. I sincerely thought it was the best play at the time. Once I had done it, I couldn't exactly go back.
but why do it in the first place, i dont understand...
Quote from: Toby on October 26, 2023, 05:11:26 PMI didn't find your opener suspicious but it was posts following that
I thought it was odd you were avoiding some points/questions directed to you
Yeah... to be honest, that's because I was in the middle of moving from Texas to Delaware. 5 days of driving about 7 hours per day. I missed some stuff.
Quote from: Toby on October 26, 2023, 05:11:26 PMI didn't find your opener suspicious but it was posts following that
I thought it was odd you were avoiding some points/questions directed to you
Yeah... to be honest, that's because I was in the middle of moving from Texas to Delaware. 5 days of driving about 7 hours per day. I missed some stuff.
whoa specs how'd you do that
Quote from: A# Minor on October 26, 2023, 05:14:57 PMwhoa specs how'd you do that
Double post? Not sure, the website glitched.
gth wolf
Quote from: SpecsFlyer17 on October 26, 2023, 05:15:59 PMDouble post? Not sure, the website glitched.
gth wolf
yeah, that's probably it. this is one of the times when you'd love to be able to delete posts
oh no, not again
Quote from: XiaoMigros on October 26, 2023, 05:13:08 PMwdym what, could have been anyone
yeah, I just thought it was funny that he'd pick me of all people
"the semi-inactive, kinda unhelpful kid DEFINITELY has the lantern"
I'm surprised my 7:59 central time vote for Oricorio didn't spark more suspicion. I certainly thought I was dead in the water after that.
Yeah, I "did it to avoid a KitB"... but idk
A few thoughts before I move on to the next game:
Number one, I'm not exactly impressed for being suspected simply because I made pushes and tried to gather information, I.e. exactly how I play the game. There were some things I wouldn't have done as town, like promoting a lot of pro-Strange Man propaganda when I would have been more skeptical as a villager, but simply making pushes is NAI for me and I'd think you'd all realize it if you played in more highposting communities.
I suppose a bigger part of the problem, though, is that I've been playing NOC games for so long that I kind of forgot how to play OC. OC games are a completely different beast; while in NOC gambits like fakeclaiming Seer are incredibly frowned upon they can work in OC if you're collaborating with other townies behind the scenes. Of course, this falls apart when multiple town gambits collide with each other, and especially when wolves get involved in both of them.
The one thing I'm dumbfounded by is that you didn't look more into the BDS nightkill. Wolves didn't kill one of the previous lantern holders, which should have told you that at least one of two things was true: Wolves believed my Strange Man claim, meaning I wasn't a wolf, and/or there was at least one wolf in the second set of lantern holders. If you looked into the latter, it would have casted serious doubt on THC being a wolf, though I probably still would have voted them for the self-voting alone.
Oh well, it goes to show that y'all should have lynched Specs over me. The only ones around to switch were wolves, but oh well. threalmathguy MVP.
Quote from: ThatHiddenCharacter on October 26, 2023, 05:12:38 PMThat's a little harsh... I wasn't trying to lose the game. I sincerely thought it was the best play at the time. Once I had done it, I couldn't exactly go back.
Yeah but like I'm sorry everyone thinks their own suspicions are the best, anyone could just fake claim seer and a red seering on their top suspicion but that just throws the game when false and means players can't follow the result of the actual seer, or fallback on social deductions. I'm sorry to be harsh but it was a selfish play to put your suspicion of Davy above everyone else's and fake claim seer just to try get your point across. I enjoy playing with you but that wasn't fair - fortunately TZP still seems to think it was a fun game regardless.
Quote from: Oricorio on October 26, 2023, 05:19:57 PMA few thoughts before I move on to the next game:
Number one, I'm not exactly impressed for being suspected simply because I made pushes and tried to gather information, I.e. exactly how I play the game. There were some things I wouldn't have done as town, like promoting a lot of pro-Strange Man propaganda when I would have been more skeptical as a villager, but simply making pushes is NAI for me and I'd think you'd all realize it if you played in more highposting communities.
I suppose a bigger part of the problem, though, is that I've been playing NOC games for so long that I kind of forgot how to play OC. OC games are a completely different beast; while in NOC gambits like fakeclaiming Seer are incredibly frowned upon they can work in OC if you're collaborating with other townies behind the scenes. Of course, this falls apart when multiple town gambits collide with each other, and especially when wolves get involved in both of them.
The one thing I'm dumbfounded by is that you didn't look more into the BDS nightkill. Wolves didn't kill one of the previous lantern holders, which should have told you that at least one of two things was true: Wolves believed my Strange Man claim, meaning I wasn't a wolf, and/or there was at least one wolf in the second set of lantern holders. If you looked into the latter, it would have casted serious doubt on THC being a wolf, though I probably still would have voted them for the self-voting alone.
Oh well, it goes to show that y'all should have lynched Specs over me. The only ones around to switch were wolves, but oh well. threalmathguy MVP.
I didn't get the lynch of you at all but I think it was the wolves that swayed it not the humans
Also none of the night 2 lantern holders were wolves so that doesn't make sense
Quote from: Toby on October 26, 2023, 05:20:00 PMYeah but like I'm sorry everyone thinks their own suspicions are the best, anyone could just fake claim seer and a red seering on their top suspicion but that just throws the game when false and means players can't follow the result of the actual seer, or fallback on social deductions. I'm sorry to be harsh but it was a selfish play to put your suspicion of Davy above everyone else's and fake claim seer just to try get your point across. I enjoy playing with you but that wasn't fair - fortunately TZP still seems to think it was a fun game regardless.
I just randomly chose davy. Anyone I chose had a 50% chance of being a wolf. I wasn't suspicious of davy until after.
guys I need to know why you lynched oricorio
ninja'd
There's also no way I'm not going to vote THC there because I'm simply not going to lose against someone who gets caught fake claiming seer
I'd rather lose and blame the human throwing than lose to a proven fake claim lol
Quote from: Toby on October 26, 2023, 05:20:00 PMfake claim seer just to try get your point across.
That was not what I was doing at all. From my view, we had no information and almost no way of getting any. I figured a 50% chance of hitting a wolf was better than nothing.
Oricorio-
I was giggling when you posted "hi open wolf" after I changed my vote.
That was funny.
Also, what's NOC vs OC?
Quote from: ThatHiddenCharacter on October 26, 2023, 05:25:33 PMI just randomly chose davy. Anyone I chose had a 50% chance of being a wolf. I wasn't suspicious of davy until after.
That's worse
You should have just claimed 2 green results if you genuinely thought you were being helpful but also there was no need to protect Specs claim. I think Specs claim was obviously false given how early in the night phase he did it. He would have posted it last minute if he was the real seer
Quote from: ThatHiddenCharacter on October 26, 2023, 05:27:31 PMThat was not what I was doing at all. From my view, we had no information and almost no way of getting any. I figured a 50% chance of hitting a wolf was better than nothing.
But you went from it being a group decision of who to choose with 50% chance to trying to make it your own choice which is kinda selfish
Quote from: Toby on October 26, 2023, 05:27:59 PMHe would have posted it last minute if he was the real seer
It was last minute. There was only like 15-20 minutes left.
Quote from: Toby on October 26, 2023, 05:29:16 PMBut you went from it being a group decision of who to choose with 50% chance to trying to make it your own choice which is kinda selfish
It wouldn't have been 50% as a group. There were 7 people alive. It was only 50% since what I did excluded myself from the pool, making it 6 people.
Quote from: Toby on October 26, 2023, 05:27:59 PMThat's worse
You should have just claimed 2 green results if you genuinely thought you were being helpful but also there was no need to protect Specs claim. I think Specs claim was obviously false given how early in the night phase he did it. He would have posted it last minute if he was the real seer
But did you buy davy's reasoning that getting me wolfed actually helped the town by freeing up the D2 lynch? Even if I was the real seer, claiming early allowed the wolves to see it. And given the suspicion on me, having me around D2 may have just been an instant "lynch specs"
Quote from: Toby on October 26, 2023, 05:29:16 PMwhich is kinda selfish
1. My intention were not to be selfish. I apologize if it came across that way, but it was not the case.
2. It's just a game. There's no need to get so upset over it.
Quote from: ThatHiddenCharacter on October 26, 2023, 05:33:21 PM1. My intention were not to be selfish. I apologize if it came across that way, but it was not the case.
2. It's just a game. There's no need to get so upset over it.
THC, for what it's worth, I appreciated your claim and thought it was a good idea.
:o
Memes aside, yeah its just a game. You took a risk and it didn't work, no biggie
Quote from: SpecsFlyer17 on October 26, 2023, 05:30:38 PMBut did you buy davy's reasoning that getting me wolfed actually helped the town by freeing up the D2 lynch? Even if I was the real seer, claiming early allowed the wolves to see it. And given the suspicion on me, having me around D2 may have just been an instant "lynch specs"
I bought the reasoning for Davy suggesting it, but it didnt change my opinion on your alignment at all. As a wolf you were almost lynched and would co operate with a risky plan. As a human you may also do it to benefit town and to avoid the mis lynch
So your seer fake claim was fine because it was a co ordinated plan that made sense
Quote from: SpecsFlyer17 on October 26, 2023, 05:36:21 PMTHC, for what it's worth, I appreciated your claim and thought it was a good idea.
:o
Memes aside, yeah its just a game. You took a risk and it didn't work, no biggie
Thanks.
Don't get me wrong, I realized very quickly how stupid a play it was. But I had already done it and there was no way I could back out without the same results happening anyway.
what the heck.
spec, math and I were going to do a coordinated attack to force an insta, and you guys did it for us.
and I even did stuff early so I wouldn't miss it
bruh.
on a side note, I have a basic understanding on which I can help, so I should be more active in helping the next game I play.
Quote from: Toby on October 26, 2023, 05:24:15 PMI didn't get the lynch of you at all but I think it was the wolves that swayed it not the humans
Also none of the night 2 lantern holders were wolves so that doesn't make sense
Well, it's about considering alternate scenarios. In hindsight, number one was true. But also in hindsight, it doesn't really make sense for wolves to believe that the Seer is a safe claim
Quote from: ThatHiddenCharacter on October 26, 2023, 05:33:21 PM1. My intention were not to be selfish. I apologize if it came across that way, but it was not the case.
2. It's just a game. There's no need to get so upset over it.
It's how I see it I'm not sure if anyone else is feeling the same but I appreciate the apology to everyone
I'm not upset it is just a game but everyone puts in effort so I just feel bad on everyone else's behalf, fortunately I was only in this game half as long and had a busy few days so didn't invest as much time in as others did
If you quite literally did nothing we likely would have lynched specs lol
Quote from: A# Minor on October 26, 2023, 05:04:09 PMwelp
looks like poet gets the "luigi wins by doing nothing award"
again
wow, I'm so good at this.
Quote from: Toby on October 26, 2023, 05:40:28 PMIt's how I see it I'm not sure if anyone else is feeling the same but I appreciate the apology to everyone
I'm not upset it is just a game but everyone puts in effort so I just feel bad on everyone else's behalf, fortunately I was only in this game half as long and had a busy few days so didn't invest as much time in as others did
If you quite literally did nothing we likely would have lynched specs lol
I mean, I understand that, it's just the way you've been saying it has sounded rather condescending and I don't really appreciate it. I had good intentions, even if they didn't pan out.
Quote from: Oricorio on October 26, 2023, 05:40:25 PMWell, it's about considering alternate scenarios. In hindsight, number one was true. But also in hindsight, it doesn't really make sense for wolves to believe that the Seer is a safe claim
What do you mean in regards to wolves believing the seer is a safe claim? As in a wolf would never counter claim seer ?
Quote from: The Musical Poet on October 26, 2023, 05:39:43 PMwhat the heck.
spec, math and I were going to do a coordinated attack to force an insta, and you guys did it for us.
and I even did stuff early so I wouldn't miss it
bruh.
on a side note, I have a basic understanding on which I can help, so I should be more active in helping the next game I play.
Poet lost her job to make it to the wolf rush apparently
Quote from: ThatHiddenCharacter on October 26, 2023, 05:43:31 PMI mean, I understand that, it's just the way you've been saying it has sounded rather condescending and I don't really appreciate it. I had good intentions, even if they didn't pan out.
I apologise I don't mean to sound condescending, but I think quite a few people would agree this should be at least a learning opportunity so it doesn't happen again
Quote from: SpecsFlyer17 on October 26, 2023, 05:27:37 PMOricorio-
I was giggling when you posted "hi open wolf" after I changed my vote.
That was funny.
Also, what's NOC vs OC?
OC is "outside contact"; it means any player can privately message another player at any time. NOC is the opposite, meaning any gameplay is limited to the thread and factional chats like wolfchat, Masons chat, etc. It's the default on most mafia sites, or at least most of the prominent ones like MU, TS, FoL, etc.
Also, yeah, your vote was pretty wolfy. Self-preservation is fair as town, but doing it so last-minute without even considering if my claim might be true? You might as well be admitting to being a wolf there. Interestingly, your fakeclaim blindsided me as the Seer is the only townie who had reason to behave like that at EoD. But it turned out to be fake, and yeah I was less than impressed
Also, THC, never self-vote, it goes against wincon. Despite my reservations about davy and Specs, I still would have voted for you because of that.
Quote from: Oricorio on October 26, 2023, 05:19:57 PMNumber one, I'm not exactly impressed for being suspected simply because I made pushes and tried to gather information, I.e. exactly how I play the game. There were some things I wouldn't have done as town, like promoting a lot of pro-Strange Man propaganda when I would have been more skeptical as a villager, but simply making pushes is NAI for me and I'd think you'd all realize it if you played in more highposting communities.
What stood out to me is doing it in a night start game vs. day start, and the way you were going about it. It didn't feel like generating information, it just felt like trying to get people to talk, which in this game felt like something the Strange Man would try to do to try and gather info on possible lantern holders, rather than a human looking for wolves.
QuoteThe one thing I'm dumbfounded by is that you didn't look more into the BDS nightkill. Wolves didn't kill one of the previous lantern holders, which should have told you that at least one of two things was true: Wolves believed my Strange Man claim, meaning I wasn't a wolf, and/or there was at least one wolf in the second set of lantern holders. If you looked into the latter, it would have casted serious doubt on THC being a wolf, though I probably still would have voted them for the self-voting alone.
I'm surprised people didn't look into the kill either, especially since Toby had been seered green and was a more likely candidate for wolfing.
Quote from: ThatHiddenCharacter on October 26, 2023, 05:29:29 PMIt was last minute. There was only like 15-20 minutes left.
For a real seer, that's just needlessly inviting the risk of a wolf popping on and changing the wolfing.
Quote from: ThatHiddenCharacter on October 26, 2023, 05:27:31 PMThat was not what I was doing at all. From my view, we had no information and almost no way of getting any. I figured a 50% chance of hitting a wolf was better than nothing.
There's also the chance Davy could've been the master wolf, which is something I was worried about (and why my seering choice went from Davy -> Specs -> Davy :P ).
Quote from: ThatHiddenCharacter on October 26, 2023, 05:43:31 PMI mean, I understand that, it's just the way you've been saying it has sounded rather condescending and I don't really appreciate it. I had good intentions, even if they didn't pan out.
Quote from: Toby on October 26, 2023, 05:46:45 PMI apologise I don't mean to sound condescending, but I think quite a few people would agree this should be at least a learning opportunity so it doesn't happen again
I think it's a good idea to let the subject rest (for all parties involved). For the time being, everything that needs to be said has already been said.
Quote from: Toby on October 26, 2023, 05:43:49 PMWhat do you mean in regards to wolves believing the seer is a safe claim? As in a wolf would never counter claim seer ?
Well, not if they thought it had a huge chance of backfiring like that. I've never really seen a wolf fakeclaim or counterclaim Seer/Cop/etc. (until this game lol) and most fake claims come from town (the rest come from Jesters or Lynchers). But this might be my NOC self talking
Quote from: Toby on October 26, 2023, 05:46:45 PMI apologise I don't mean to sound condescending, but I think quite a few people would agree this should be at least a learning opportunity so it doesn't happen again
Absolutely. I am well aware of how bad that play was. Hindsight is 20/20.
Quote from: Oricorio on October 26, 2023, 05:47:00 PMAlso, THC, never self-vote, it goes against wincon. Despite my reservations about davy and Specs, I still would have voted for you because of that.
I tend to panic in high-stress situations. Plus, I'm still a bit rusty. We only just started playing here again and I hadn't fone games for at least a couple years before that.
Oricorio, I apologise if I/we were too hard on you initially, your play style this game was quite unlike what I've become accustomed to here. To an extent it was helpful to get the conversation flowing, but the technicalities you delved into are usually left for a later phase here.
Same goes for role reveals usually, I think you pushing strange man-y stuff from the start was an unusual strategy choice from an nsm-twg point of view. I do hope you'll join us again for more games in the future!
Quote from: Oricorio on October 26, 2023, 05:49:41 PMWell, not if they thought it had a huge chance of backfiring like that. I've never really seen a wolf fakeclaim or counterclaim Seer/Cop/etc. (until this game lol) and most fake claims come from town (the rest come from Jesters or Lynchers). But this might be my NOC self talking
From a perspective of NSM/LLF TWG (LLF doesn't do TWG anymore unfortunately), wolves fakeclaiming is pretty common (I remember one game on LLF where a wolf won the game by "confirming" himself as a special and worming himself into the special alliance because the real special just didn't show up or bother to claim at all).
I'd say Seer is one of the most common roles to fakeclaim for a wolf (except Guardian, perhaps), especially in games where it's basically impossible for wolves to give a wrong seering result.
THC, no hard feelings, but everything about you screamed wolf to me from beginning to end. The initial low involvement and sudden rise in activity once specs/davy were coming under fire, plus the extremely disruptive seer claim, all went a little too far. i did briefly consider the option you were a human, trying to stop the wolves from figuring out who the seer was, but that theory was a little far-fetched and you weren't really able to back up your decision in my eyes. kinda a shame because i really felt we as town were getting somewhere and was looking forward to how things would continue, but oh well... some games be like that
Go look at page 7 of the game. It's entirely Oricorio except one Poet post saying how she isn't sure what's happening lol.
Yeah, Oricorio's strategy initially came off to me as super unhelpful, but I think there's a place for it. It grew on me, and discussion is good!
Quote from: XiaoMigros on October 26, 2023, 05:57:38 PMTHC, no hard feelings, but everything about you screamed wolf to me from beginning to end. The initial low involvement and sudden rise in activity once specs/davy were coming under fire, plus the extremely disruptive seer claim, all went a little too far. i did briefly consider the option you were a human, trying to stop the wolves from figuring out who the seer was, but that theory was a little far-fetched and you weren't really able to back up your decision in my eyes. kinda a shame because i really felt we as town were getting somewhere and was looking forward to how things would continue, but oh well... some games be like that
Yeah, after THC called me out for asking the Strange Man to claim (post Oricorio lynch) I DM'd him and thought his response was suspicious too.
Quote from: SpecsFlyer17 on October 26, 2023, 05:57:44 PMGo look at page 7 of the game. It's entirely Oricorio except one Poet post saying how she isn't sure what's happening lol.
Yeah, Oricorio's strategy initially came off to me as super unhelpful, but I think there's a place for it. It grew on me, and discussion is good!
I DM'd several people saying that I was deliberately staying out of the thread at times to avoid a lengthy discussion with Oricorio :P Probably would've added another 5-10 pages of just the two of us if I had played ball like I was itching to do. In a day start game (or if other people had been more active) I probably would've, too.
Quote from: XiaoMigros on October 26, 2023, 05:57:38 PMThe initial low involvement
Nah, I was serious about why I wasn't around. A combination of Mario Wonder just coming out and a few bad days at work leaving me with no mental energy.
Quote from: XiaoMigros on October 26, 2023, 05:57:38 PMTHC, no hard feelings
None taken. I understand completely.
Quote from: SpecsFlyer17 on October 26, 2023, 05:57:44 PMGo look at page 7 of the game. It's entirely Oricorio except one Poet post saying how she isn't sure what's happening lol.
Yeah, Oricorio's strategy initially came off to me as super unhelpful, but I think there's a place for it. It grew on me, and discussion is good!
Just saying, if I'm around, you should probably change your forum settings to fifty posts per page
Phase-by-phase breakdown is up. Player analyses are partially written, I'll post those and awards tomorrow.
Also, a comment from a TWC perspective: when Toby entered the game, I believe TZP sent him PMs that Robbie received, and Toby was unsure whether he could post them?
I'm of the perspective that, on account of the replacement, those PMs should be treated as if they were the original PMs for the sake of not posing a disadvantage to the incoming replacement (i.e. all rules that would apply to the original PMs would still apply). Interested to see if Davy has anything to add on the subject.
Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on October 26, 2023, 06:13:31 PMPhase-by-phase breakdown is up. Player analyses are partially written, I'll post those and awards tomorrow.
Dumbest Play in NSM TWG History goes toooo...
ThatHiddenCharacter!
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on October 26, 2023, 06:14:55 PMAlso, a comment from a TWC perspective: when Toby entered the game, I believe TZP sent him PMs that Robbie received, and Toby was unsure whether he could post them?
I'm of the perspective that, on account of the replacement, those PMs should be treated as if they were the original PMs for the sake of not posing a disadvantage to the incoming replacement (i.e. all rules that would apply to the original PMs would still apply). Interested to see if Davy has anything to add on the subject.
This is a good catch--when Toby joined, I sent him everything that Robbie had received so that he would be completely up to date, and it hadn't occurred to me that sharing those would be frowned upon. I tend to agree with you, the clear intent was for me to be "forwarding" them to him.
Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on October 26, 2023, 04:44:09 PMBDS requests a Xiao seering ten minutes into the phase.
As soon as I found out I was seer I knew I had to do it :P
I think Davy and Oricorio would've been the only other options I would've considered N1, but I felt confident enough about Oricorio, and Davy would've been a good N1 wolfing pick.
QuoteHilariously, Toby gets this PM from Specs
lol that must've been quite the situation for toby to wake up to
Specs: wanted to let you know my claim is totally fake
Me: LYNCH THAT MAN HIS CLAIM IS FAKE
is now a good time to mention that I didn't even realize there was a seer
Curious to what happens if THC doesn't claim seer, and BDS is proven to be seer by Xiao and Toby.
Probably I'm lynched? davy had a little bit of sus around him too.
On the wolf side, davy was going to be the D2 target until the THC seer claim.
I'm also curious how things change if BDS is left alive. Iirc, we didn't really decide on BDS until after the davy plan was brought to my attention. I had originally suggested one of the for sure humans, davy or Toby. But we went with BDS
BDS was ranting about me in the public thread right as he was killed, which I thought was pretty funny.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on October 26, 2023, 04:53:54 PMMath's early game was strong, but I feel like he faltered the longer the game went on. His reasoning for voting for Oricorio over Specs was flimsy (especially after he said he saw Oricorio's claim and deliberately didn't change his vote) and some of his D2 behaviors were especially strange.
I agree. I think I played N1 well and I truly did "play for town" but being a wolf, I obviously had to steer some suspicion every now and then "in the interest of town." Xiao was right to doubt me the whole time and I was surprised I did fool everyone because if I had been pressed more on certain things I think the cracks would've shown (such as the Oricorio vote and me steering suspicion from Specs multiple times).
In this game, it's hard to know when someone drops for real life stuff or when they're lurking but I definitely went quiet at some key points
Quote from: SpecsFlyer17 on October 26, 2023, 07:04:34 PMBDS was ranting about me in the public thread right as he was killed, which I thought was pretty funny.
we had to "silence" him >:Ḋ
Quote from: Oricorio on October 26, 2023, 05:19:57 PMA few thoughts before I move on to the next game:
Number one, I'm not exactly impressed for being suspected simply because I made pushes and tried to gather information, I.e. exactly how I play the game. There were some things I wouldn't have done as town, like promoting a lot of pro-Strange Man propaganda when I would have been more skeptical as a villager, but simply making pushes is NAI for me and I'd think you'd all realize it if you played in more highposting communities.
I suppose a bigger part of the problem, though, is that I've been playing NOC games for so long that I kind of forgot how to play OC. OC games are a completely different beast; while in NOC gambits like fakeclaiming Seer are incredibly frowned upon they can work in OC if you're collaborating with other townies behind the scenes. Of course, this falls apart when multiple town gambits collide with each other, and especially when wolves get involved in both of them.
The one thing I'm dumbfounded by is that you didn't look more into the BDS nightkill. Wolves didn't kill one of the previous lantern holders, which should have told you that at least one of two things was true: Wolves believed my Strange Man claim, meaning I wasn't a wolf, and/or there was at least one wolf in the second set of lantern holders. If you looked into the latter, it would have casted serious doubt on THC being a wolf, though I probably still would have voted them for the self-voting alone.
Oh well, it goes to show that y'all should have lynched Specs over me. The only ones around to switch were wolves, but oh well. threalmathguy MVP.
I'll be honest, I wanted to win with strange man. We were debating the lantern sacrifice strategy, although it's hard to pull off from a wolf perspective. But when it came down to you or Specs day 1, a wolf is a wolf and a mislynch is a mislynch. Sorry :'(
The math was right (how dare you, I'M the real math guy, or rather, th real math guy ;D) and we rolled the unlikely chance on night 2 of no wolves with lanterns, but couldn't utilize it to our advantage.
Also. I was driving around the other day... and look what I found.
I FOUND THE STRANGE MAN
Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/etB1aut.jpg)
so that's why he didn't want to be seen
HE DOES NOT WANT TO BE SEEN :o
I'd put that pic in a spoiler tag because it's so big.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on October 26, 2023, 07:47:31 PMHE DOES NOT WANT TO BE SEEN :o
I'd put that pic in a spoiler tag because it's so big.
Fixed. It makes sense for it to be hidden in a spoiler because after all, he DOES NOT WANT to be seen.
Quote from: threalmathguy on October 26, 2023, 07:31:09 PMhow dare you, I'M the real math guy, or rather, th real math guy ;D
Well, you are talking to a geophysicist (though I still need to get my Master's)
Quote from: Oricorio on October 26, 2023, 07:52:52 PMWell, you are talking to a geophysicist (though I still need to get my Master's)
Please confirm if the earth is flat or not.
Unless that's what they teach in grad school.
Quote from: SpecsFlyer17 on October 26, 2023, 07:32:15 PMAlso. I was driving around the other day... and look what I found.
I FOUND THE STRANGE MAN
(just act like there's a spoiler tag with an image here, okay?)
...
oooooof XDDDD
wait, now I have that guy's house number
Quote from: A# Minor on October 26, 2023, 07:56:03 PM...
oooooof XDDDD
wait, now I have that guy's house number
Yeah. Strange Man lives at 27A
Quote from: SpecsFlyer17 on October 26, 2023, 08:00:17 PMYeah. Strange Man lives at 27A
note to self: NEVER buy a house with the number 27A
Quote from: SpecsFlyer17 on October 26, 2023, 07:54:54 PMPlease confirm if the earth is flat or not.
Unless that's what they teach in grad school.
Trade secret :p
Quote from: Oricorio on October 26, 2023, 08:07:41 PMTrade secret :p
what? it is a suspiciously classified government file or something?
Quote from: The Musical Poet on October 26, 2023, 08:14:26 PMwhat? it is a suspiciously classified government file or something?
Get a B.S. if you want to find out! :p
uh... don't we all know that the earth is round?
edit: *spherical
nah it's ellipsoidal
sAmE tHiNg
jk lol, don't deform the shape of the earth plz kthx
Quote from: A# Minor on October 26, 2023, 08:55:51 PMsAmE tHiNg
jk lol, don't deform the shape of the earth plz kthx
We're an "irregularly shaped ellipsoid", but that really is an oversimplification due to all the mountains, valleys, plateaus, trenches, meteor impacts, etc. Suffice to say "it's complicated"
Quote from: Oricorio on October 26, 2023, 09:01:40 PMWe're an "irregularly shaped ellipsoid", but that really is an oversimplification due to all the mountains, valleys, plateaus, trenches, meteor impacts, etc. Suffice to say "it's complicated"
yeah
I guess the earth is... its own shape
it's an infinitely-sided shape, since the amount changes consistently.
Quote from: The Musical Poet on October 26, 2023, 09:13:12 PMit's an infinitely-sided shape, since the amount changes consistently.
That can be clearly evidenced just by sand. Ever heard of the fractal problem?
No, I haven't, mind explaining? It sounds rather intruging.
Quote from: The Musical Poet on October 26, 2023, 09:28:15 PMNo, I haven't, mind explaining? It sounds rather intruging.
A fractal is basically a shape that looks more complicated the more you zoom in on it (like a grain of sand, for instance). It causes problems when measuring them. Most famously, coastlines can be considered fractals, as you see more curves in them the more you zoom in on Google Maps, and eventually you'll get to the point where they are defined by the aforementioned grains of sand. This makes coastlines difficult to objectively measure; for instance if you measure them in increments of 100 meters, you will get a different result than if you measure in increments of ten meters, as the latter will better represent the curves and will actually give a longer result. So as you get to smaller and smaller increments of measure, the result for the length of the coastline will get longer and longer, and as this keeps going on with no clear point of convergence some would argue that coastlines are infinitely long
If you've ever wondered why Norway's coastline is considered to be longer than Russia's, the fractal problem is a big reason why
This was a rather interesting subject to read.
I need to take this course when I get older
Indeed you do.
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on October 26, 2023, 06:21:56 PMlol that must've been quite the situation for toby to wake up to
Specs: wanted to let you know my claim is totally fake
Me: LYNCH THAT MAN HIS CLAIM IS FAKE
Lol yeah it was a lot to wake up to
Specs and THC fake claiming seer in topic
BDS claiming seer in pm and telling me specs claim was fake
Specs pming me telling me his claim was fake
Davy pming me telling me specs claim was fake and he had a master plan
THC revealing in PM that BDS was seered blue
And BDS being wolfed so all this info was left with me to be responsible of :^)
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on October 26, 2023, 06:14:55 PMAlso, a comment from a TWC perspective: when Toby entered the game, I believe TZP sent him PMs that Robbie received, and Toby was unsure whether he could post them?
I'm of the perspective that, on account of the replacement, those PMs should be treated as if they were the original PMs for the sake of not posing a disadvantage to the incoming replacement (i.e. all rules that would apply to the original PMs would still apply). Interested to see if Davy has anything to add on the subject.
Yeah, when a player replaces another player, the messages the previous player received can still be shared. The rule against posting communication with the host is to prevent players from proving things with host knowledge, but by sharing that he got these messages from TZP, Toby would only prove that he indeed replaced Robbie, which is something everyone already knows.
Anyway, it was a fun game everyone, I enjoyed it a lot. Wished I would have been in better health for the first half, though.
I'd like to write a little bit about all the players:
Specs - I'm still not seeing how you got wolf read d1, but that may be my lack of scumhunting skills showing. Good job going along with my plan convincingly. I had been human reading you because of how you went about it. Small slip up with the quotations, though. If it hadn't been for Xiao messing up as well, that might have cost you winning the game d2.
A# - Not much to say here, you did your best keeping up with all the posts N1, then died at the end of it.
Math - On the one hand, good job getting human read by so many players d1. On the other, I am very unimpressed by how you played D2, there is basically no way of catching wolves when they are deliberately being inactive.
BDS - Stop pointing out the flaws in my plans right where all the wolves can read them, geez.
Xiao - Honestly, I'm more dissapointed in your slip up than THC's. I guess the lesson is to always check your messages after a phase change before you make a post. Also, if you keep getting wolf read for bandwagoning, maybe it is time to stop bandwagoning.
THC - You tried something and failed misserably. Certainly not a bannable offense, lol. I think your biggest mistake was not sending your anchoring PM to math immediately after your fake claim, as that made it even more suspicious. It would have been even better if you had asked math to support you before your fake claim, because in that case he couldn't have stayed silent about the messages between you and him without obtaining a lot of suspicion like he did now.
Toby - You did well substituting in. Your plan to wait and catch more wolves before revealing was good, but unfortunately with Specs being a wolf that was not going to happen. Also, good analysis on Specs actually being a wolf. I think you got a bit too tunnel visioned about THC being a wolf at late game, which contributed in town losing (but I also understand that you are really upset by how he played).
Oricorio - I didn't mind you playstyle, actually. But maybe tone it down a little for next game, as players were getting overwhelmed, and the main thing about this game is that everyone is having fun participating. Also, sorry for leading a lynch on you D1. I really didn't see why Specs was being wolf read and didn't have a better lynch candidate (though I maintain that putting so much emphasis on whether the lanterns were truly all passed is not a town move).
Poet - Can't blame you too much for being inactive as you were reluctant to join this round to begin with. But also, please turn off having your online status visible. I caught you sending messages multiple times (wasn't trying to stalk for messages, just trying to see if new posts were incomming), so that basically confirmed to me you were a wolf.
Also, I apologize for the negativity in this post, has nothing to do with the game which I actually enjoyed. I'm just having a pretty crappy day but I do want to get this post out today before everyone moves on from this one.
Quote from: davy on October 27, 2023, 07:53:32 AMSmall slip up with the quotations, though. If it hadn't been for Xiao messing up as well, that might have cost you winning the game d2.
Do you remember what it was?
Quote from: SpecsFlyer17 on October 27, 2023, 08:05:49 AMDo you remember what it was?
Calling THC "the real" seer, and more general keeping your trust in me before the BDS reveal. That tipped off Toby, and also had me considering lynching you, but we prioritized Xiao and THC.
Quote from: davy on October 27, 2023, 08:43:30 AMCalling THC "the real" seer, and more general keeping your trust in me before the BDS reveal. That tipped off Toby, and also had me considering lynching you, but we prioritized Xiao and THC.
Yeah 100%. Looking back, Im not sure why I was so obvious to appear to disbelieve THCs claim. That tipped off that I was trying to create distrust between you and the claim. Worked out okay because it was proven to be fake, but it could've gone south for me.
Player analysis is up and the postgame is now complete.
I have not hosted before and this was a great deal of fun for me to watch things unfold from above. I'm definitely a little disappointed that the lanterns and Strange Man didn't wind up playing more of a role, but that's the nature of these games. I hope that the ending didn't leave anyone feeling too sour either.
Were I to run it again, I'd probably change Math's role to just be a regular wolf; while he was never seered, perhaps he would have been less bold in the lantern chat if he knew he was red. Whichever way you slice it, three wolves is a lot for a ten-player game. However, I don't want to take away from the three newest players pulling out a victory—well done.
I will see you all for the November game as a player this time!
Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on October 26, 2023, 04:44:09 PMin one case, repeating a BDS joke verbatim
Yeah, I sent that at some truck stop in Tennessee. I didn't see BDS had made the same joke lol
Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on October 26, 2023, 04:44:09 PMNew Manti. You heard it here first.
oh no, don't get me lynched d1 next game
Quote from: davy on October 27, 2023, 07:53:32 AMXiao - Honestly, I'm more dissapointed in your slip up than THC's. I guess the lesson is to always check your messages after a phase change before you make a post.
maybe the nature of immediately calling everyone out who slips up isnt the ideal way of going about things, that seemed to cost us the game in multiple ways. i still dont get why neutral slip ups are always read as wolf
Quote from: davy on October 27, 2023, 07:53:32 AMAlso, if you keep getting wolf read for bandwagoning, maybe it is time to stop bandwagoning.
would be happy to learn when i supposedly bandwagoned, iirc i came to my own conclusions every time.
besides, even ignoring the missing message thing, thc would have been voted out anyway
Quote from: TheZeldaPianist275 on October 27, 2023, 11:06:45 AMI will see you all for the November game as a player this time!
Thanks for hosting! was fun
Quote from: XiaoMigros on October 27, 2023, 11:26:23 AMmaybe the nature of immediately calling everyone out who slips up isnt the ideal way of going about things, that seemed to cost us the game in multiple ways. i still dont get why neutral slip ups are always read as wolf
The issue wasn't the fact that you slipped up—it was that your slip up looked like pretty ideal wolf play (under different circumstances ofc). Obviously mistakes happen, but if your mistake can be read as something that benefits the wolves, you're probably gonna get lynched for it.
And you're welcome!
Really nice detailed post game TZP, been a bit since a post game was so well done. And great job hosting I had no idea that was your first game !
Quote from: XiaoMigros on October 27, 2023, 11:26:23 AMmaybe the nature of immediately calling everyone out who slips up isnt the ideal way of going about things, that seemed to cost us the game in multiple ways. i still dont get why neutral slip ups are always read as wolf
Honestly I often play to call out slip ups when I see them. I didn't do it as much this game because I missed day 1 and then day 2 was dominated by THC's fake seer claim.
I'm not sure why your slip up of not reading your PM first was read so wolfy. I even called out in topic before you admitted it that your behaviour suggested you hadn't seen the seer result of BDS which was just non alignment indicative.
Quote from: Toby on October 27, 2023, 11:41:15 AMReally nice detailed post game THC, been a bit since a post game was so well done. And great job hosting I had no idea that was your first game !
Yeah, thanks for hosting TZP!
Quote from: SpecsFlyer17 on October 27, 2023, 12:07:44 PMQuote from: Toby on October 27, 2023, 11:41:15 AMReally nice detailed post game THC, been a bit since a post game was so well done. And great job hosting I had no idea that was your first game !
Yeah, thanks for hosting THC!
... huh??
acronyms are hard
Quote from: A# Minor on October 27, 2023, 12:08:25 PMYeah, thanks for hosting THC!
... huh??
He may have taken too much THC
yeah my body loves hosting thc
team horses city
/s
Memes aside, thanks for hosting TZP and I'm looking forward to the next one!
i think ive unlocked my special talent of losing every game
Quote from: XiaoMigros on October 27, 2023, 12:33:19 PMi think ive unlocked my special talent of losing every game
I could say the same thing D:
we won last game though!!
Quote from: Oricorio on October 27, 2023, 12:16:47 PMHe may have taken too much THC
I guess so :o
Quote from: The Musical Poet on October 27, 2023, 12:23:09 PMteam horses city
this confused me for... longer than I'd like to admit
anyways, yes, thanks for hosting this! it was a lot of fun to watch and I'm glad I got to be here at least for the first 48 hours :D
although i was pretty inactive for most of the second half of n1, but let's not talk about that
Quote from: A# Minor on October 27, 2023, 12:37:06 PMI could say the same thing D:
we won last game though!!
oh i forgot about that one i think i died at the start
Quote from: SpecsFlyer17 on October 27, 2023, 12:07:44 PMYeah, thanks for hosting TZP!
Not sure what you're talking about.
Stop making fake quotes smh
Quote from: XiaoMigros on October 27, 2023, 12:42:05 PMoh i forgot about that one i think i died at the start
yeah, you died n1 like I did D:
Quote from: Toby on October 27, 2023, 12:46:11 PMdont you mean TZP
Quote from: SpecsFlyer17 on October 27, 2023, 12:50:24 PMNot sure what you're talking about.
Stop making fake quotes smh
your past will never leave you... my comment (https://www.ninsheetmusic.org/forum/index.php?topic=12814.msg438528#msg438528) is still there >:)
Quote from: XiaoMigros on October 27, 2023, 11:29:24 AMwould be happy to learn when i supposedly bandwagoned, iirc i came to my own conclusions every time.
besides, even ignoring the missing message thing, thc would have been voted out anyway
Ah, right. Should have specified that the bandwagon in reference was day 1. After I defended myself and voted Oricorio, you immediately switched your vote to Oricorio as well, rather than your other top suspicion at that moment (which I don't quite recall at the moment). Also I guess bandwagon isn't quite the right term here, as the reasoning was your own, but it looks mighty sus if you haven't given your reasoning earlier and vote immediately after I do.
but a wolf would just.. not do that??
what's interesting is that this game had way more pages than IX, even though it was half the length
Quote from: davy on October 27, 2023, 07:53:32 AMBDS - Stop pointing out the flaws in my plans right where all the wolves can read them, geez.
My initial reaction was "Hey, wait a minute, human Davy should know better! Thus, Davy's a wolf, and everyone needs to know!!!" :P
also, before I forget:
Quote from: BDStwiggy gaem
Quote from: A# Minor on October 27, 2023, 04:32:55 PMalso, before I forget:
PM titles included:
twiggy gaem (with A#)
TWG: Street Lights (with Specs)
TWG: Flashlights (with Xiao)
TWG: Can I Please Have a Seering (with TZP)
TWG: Gaslighting (with THC)
TWG: EMERGENCY (with Toby)
Quote from: BlackDragonSlayer on October 27, 2023, 04:57:05 PMPM titles included:
twiggy gaem (with A#)
TWG: Street Lights (with Specs)
TWG: Flashlights (with Xiao)
TWG: Can I Please Have a Seering (with TZP)
TWG: Gaslighting (with THC)
TWG: EMERGENCY (with Toby)
lol nice